I’ll go with 3-6 on the upcoming swing. One win in each series.
I hope you guys are right about Chipper retiring if he goes .230 with errors and 10 HR’s. But I have very, very severe doubts. Sometimes Chipper just says stuff. You haven’t noticed this?
I think part of the reason he’s coming totally unglued is that he said that about retiring having no intention whatsoever of repeating last year’s performance. And now that it’s staring him in the face as a reality, he’s miserable. Beyond miserable.
I see a “what I meant was” reneg coming right up. I hope he proves me wrong. Cuz if he takes it back and stays, and soaks up the #3 spot AND all those millions after saying emphatically he’d walk away, his legacy will be majorly stained.
Hammy, your theory on Cox’s steatlth deflection is pretty goofy. He just doesn’t strike me as the type. I’m glad Heyward handled it so well and turned poop into gold, but it was still a clumsy move to me. And I go with Steve: the little 45 phonograph in his brain just skipped a groove. He said it without thinking first.
This I will give Bobby: he is much more lively in his managerial moves this year than last. He acts like every game is important, and with the line-up he’s not afraid to bob and weave. And his advice to Heyward, minus the public part, was right. I reckon he’s got a trick or two left.
The two most dominant player on the Braves have less than a year MLB experience combined. Can you believe graduation Hanson and Heyward from our farm within 9 months of each other? An obvious Cy Young contender, an obvious ROY contender (and MVP dark horse)… back to back.
Good show guys- I will start following the blog during games too. I’ve been following David O’Brien’s blog at the ajc site, but this one seems to be much more rational in your view of our team. DOB is cool, but some of the people on there are idiots. I got publicly ridiculed over their today for criticizing “The One That Shall Not Be Mentioned” while he was pitching today. At that moment I began to wonder if I was alone in my views of him, but it was refreshing to hear that I’m not when I listened to your show. Also, I think a good analogy for what’s happening to Chipper is that it’s like when your favorite t.v. show is coming to an end. Usually the writing is not nearly as good, and you can tell the actors are just going through the motions. All you can do is just hope for a good ending and pray that it is soon because it has become hard to watch. I love Chipper Jones in that awkward kind of way that every man loves his favorite player on his favorite team, but it’s getting painful to watch him struggle. Gotta get back to the studying. Have a good one, and I look forward to listening next week.
(what do y’all think of this “McOut” fella? Seems pretty cool.). Ok, we’ve talked it over and decided to let you in the club. #1 rule…no makng fun of stupid chick questions. Welcome! Haven’t listened to the show yet but looks good.
McOut – I do love your jumping the shark analogy with Chipper. It is right on. I had a related thought about him at the stadium this weekend as the cheering was so much louder for Heyward than for Chipper. And it made me happy. The cheering for Chipper the last few years seemed rote. Always the loudest, but not much heart in it. Not so with Heyward. Lusty, I’d say.
Good show guys. Hammy, I love VoldeLowe! That’s awesome. I’m going 6-3 on the road trip. Not as much cause I really think that’s how it will play out but rather how I really want it to play out. I was a little surprised you didn’t cover Wags announcement, not complaining just curious. It hasn’t gotten a lot of ink and I’m wondering if that’s because it’s no real surprise or no one thinks he’s serious.
I know I said it last night, but I totally agree with Bub. No way does Chipper leave this year. As much as some might want him to, he is not going out on a losing note. In fact, I think the only (slim) possibility that he does leave, is if he turns it around and has an MVP-type season. He could leave on a high note and go out with Bobby. Even that seems ridiculous when I read it. He ain’t leaving.
The bigger question is . . . . do we ‘Nique him? Do we Dale Murphy him? Would that EVER happen?
We can’t. He’s a 10-5 so he would have to sign off on it.
I do believe that if the Braves are out of it they will look to dump whomever they can – Ross, Infante, Hinske, Glaus, Wagner, Saito, McLouth, et al. Then they can go even cheaper and younger next year. Their goal is to have every guy under his rookie contract making the league minimum.
If Chip stinks it up and still comes back next year, he is no longer one of the greatest Braves because he will be doing it all for himself, and I have never really felt that way about him. Wonder is this all goes back to Jordan calling him out. The guys at 790 went after him a tiny bit this morning. Clearly, stealing from our superior product.
On other fronts, I read someting yesterday calling for Barbaro Canizares to be brought up.
As long as they don’t dump Prado. Wherever he goes, so go I. Not to change the subject but…VoldeLowe is going to be himself which is unpredictable, JJ scares me because it seems like he’s hiding an injury or something…I don’t know. But don’t you think KK could get better as the hitting gets better? It seems like he’s the kinda guy who would get rattled if he doesn’t have bat support. Which clearly has been nonexistent.
Ham, even if Chipper would okay a trade, who in the world, with 12 or 13 million to spend on help for their team, would spend it on an oft-injured, oft-erring 3B with little power, hitting a quarter over the Mendoza line? Although I don’t think he’ll retire, it still seems more likely than a successful trade.
And I should say that if the writing is absolutely on the wall – if he is hitting .195, hurting all over, and the Atlanta Press is taking him to task (who ever knew Mark Bradley might come in handy after all?), he might hang it up before risking his dignity.
But there are many ways to rationalize yourself into 12 million dollars:
1. He could hit .450 over the last two weeks of the season, when it doesn’t matter, and say “yup, I’m back.”
2. He could come up with a new strategy – a lighter bat, an even shorter swing, a rabbit’s foot, squeeze his left buttocks at the release point, and convince himself he’s back. Starting next year.
3. Someone could make a case in the press for him. Someone could pour out the passionate “look what this man has done for us” article of all time, and Chipper could read it and go, “ya know what? He’s right! I HAVE done all that!”
4. He could come back and say, “but if I struggle out of the gate, I’m definitely gonna lay it down,” and then struggle, but never quite enough to be sure he’s not just about to turn it all around. Surge just enough in OBP and the occassional crowd pleasing hit to convince himself. Repeat, rinse.
I hope he keeps his word. How badly should he be treated, just for saying something foolish, if he completes the contract he earned? I’m not gonna turn on him. But MAN do I hope he somehow keeps his word and frees up those funds and that spot in the order.
Heck, the way Wren has iced Glav, Smoltz, and Cal Ripken Jr, he might just choose his next manager around “okay, which one of you fellas will sit Chipper Jones after one week of garbage production? You’re in.”
“squeeze his left buttocks at the release point” – twss
Why on earth would people call for Barbaro after Glaus’ BEST three games in a Braves uniform?!?!?!?!
My fear about Chipper and his retiring at the end of the year is he could play the game of, “2010 was bad because I was so injured. It has nothing to do with my ability. I’ll just be healthier in 2011.” What needs to happen is that he retires at the end of the season and becomes our new hitting coach in ’11.
Bubdoubter, I watched that Phillies game last night, and when the Mets immediately started teeing-off on Moyer I got really bummed. What’s the deal with the Braves doing that against bad pitching? I think it has to be that mentality of “oh, were supposed to crush this guy”, and they assume it and never get ready mentally to actually do it. I live in TB, and the only reason the Bucs won any games last year is because teams took that mentality into the game against them. The Bucs were awful and should have lost every game, but they didn’t because the Packers and Saints never showed up- they may have won one more, too. I hope the Braves stop doing that because it seems like every year they throw away about 10 wins against pitchers they should demolish. I now expect them to struggle in games where they face a guy whose just been called up to spot start or against a team’s number 5 who has an astronomical ERA. My vote is for Lowedemort. Sorry Hammy.
McOut, last night’s early thrashing of Moyer by the oft-hapless Metros are why I had to finally post the Kendrick/Moyer bizarro stats. Both pitchers are perfectly bookended now, so all hope is lost that they were just bad before they faced Atlanta, but were bound to become better. Nope. Bad, bad, Atlanta, bad, bad. In perfect symmetry.
Steve, that’s why. Sorry, but, I’ll be more positive as the ability comes to me. It just really sticks with me, when as a fan, on the morning before we faced Moyer, I was saying to myself all day long, please, Bravos, have a gameplan. Don’t just think Moyer’s snailball is gonna be automatically easy to crush. Have an approach.
And then to just watch them go up there hacking like never heard of how to go after a slow-tosser. To have the fans literally more focussed on how to attack him than they are.
HOUSTON got to him. HOUSTON! The team that couldn’t to LOWE!
But okay. I’ll ease off. They did beat Houston, swept ‘em. I just don’t know how I’m supposed to believe that the same team that didn’t prepare for, or develop an approach to, Jamie Moyer, are going to suddenly play smarter and more focussed baseball because they swept Houston.
A character like Edmund may know a great deal about white witches but what does he know of dark lords? I’m sticking with VoldeLowe. Steve, that twss was as funny as “rusty Wags”. I laughed way out loud. Ok…so the Braves should have done better against the slow throwing old men. Noted…again. And I would agree that Houston sucks the big one. But we didn’t just beat Houston. As Steve mentioned on the show…we dominated them as we should have. So can’t we, on this off day, hope this team has found a little fire and will be a lot better than they were during the 9 game losing streak?
Apology accepted. Sorry about the bad day. I’m sure you are using logic and statistics but to assume this team is going to be a .500 team would totally bum me out. I think we were half way through the dreaded losing streak before I changed my name from Mary Sunshine. I’m sure I’ll be even more bummed later but I’ll think about that tomorrow. Hey maybe my new name can be Scarlett O.
Thanks Hammy and Mike the Producer for the new format. I may or may not possibly be smitten with you both. Ok…I’m over it.
Chipper has to suck it up and switch to a lighter bat. When you can no longer catch up to a fastball, you have to drop your pride for the good of the team. I think that may be part of the reason he keeps “pulling a Chipper.” I mean, its not like he is the CEO of the lumber company anymore!
I think this is an above .500 team when McCann, Diaz, and a healthy Escobar come back around to their old selves. I’ll do even better, I predict a comeback to fight for the wild card. I think the Nats and Fish will fall. I still worry that the Mets are better when healthy.
Let’s not forget that the Braves made Tony Saunders the first overall pick in the expansion draft in 97 by none other than McOut’s Rays. All he did was beat the Braves three times that year. And when I say that’s all he did that year, I mean that’s really all he did. He was pedestrian. Mediocre. Bad. But what he did was beat the Braves in his first three major league starts. In dominant fashion. He beat no one else, but it was enough to convince the D Rays to make the him the #1 overall pick. This is nothing new, sadly. That was 1997. It’s like their scouts don’t pay attention or something. I cringe when we face a rookie.
I wonder about the Phils pitching, too. If the Braves can get their act together they could do something in this division. I like how one of you guys mentioned on the show that Infante should play more. He could play everyday. When Escobar comes back he could play middle infield- put Prado at 3rd to give Chipper a day off- or in the outfield. I wish Bobby would try him as our leadoff guy. I just don’t think my namesake has what it takes to consistently be the go to leadoff guy. Infante was great last year before he broke his hand. He reminds me a lot of Placido Polanco. Both guys always hit and play solid defense. I just think him and Prado would be a great one two punch all year.It would be a double shot of Venezuelan fire to get our lineup going everyday.
The radio guys were talking about who might start on Saturday, and Jo-Jo’s name was mentioned. Please tell me this can’t be. Is he going to be given ANOTHER chance. Jo-JO vs the Phillies sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Why can’t we beat the Natinals?
The Hawks are losing 85-44 at the end of the third, which reminds me of a November college basketball score when D-I teams play much weaker I-AA teams. Not looking to be a good day for ATL sports. The Braves being down 3 with their offense feels about the same as the Hawks being down 41. You would think they would have a pretty good scouting report on Livan with his career 5-15 record against the Braves.
The Braves should start a fight or something. Anything to get some life into these guys. They appear to be sleepwalking and getting paid a lot to do it. Except for Heyward! Curt, pretty sad that a 20 year old rookie makes adjustments as well as he does and the vets can’t do squat.
Bubdoubter, I wouldn’t mind seeing the two of them in cage match to the death. It might inspire the others to play better. IDK? I’m hoping absurd thinking will cheer me up. I put my money on KK in a fight with McOut.
The government who can barely keep the most resourceful continent in history afloat awards the manager who drove a 3-HOF’er – rotation to one championship in 14 tries. I’d say there’s loads of meaning.
This is impossible! Has this ever even happened in baseball history? I mean, only one of these guys is over 35 years old! Only 2 of them are over 30! FIVE baseball players in the MIDDLE OF THEIR PRIME dropping off a cliff at the same time.
That’s an average of SIXTY points PER PLAYER under average, even with Prado included in the math.
I’ve just never heard of anything like this. Freaking sucks.
I thought I’d never seen anything like it before when it happened to Andruw.
Then when it happened to Frenchy, I was like, wow, we get TWO of these this close to each other?
Then when it happened to Kelly…
But THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM MINUS TWO PLAYERS???????? I know it’s only a month – and the above players struggled for 1 to several years, but DANG, the WHOLE FLIPPIN’ TEAM???
Let’s see if we can come up with a common denominator there……hmmmm. It’s like the transitive property.
Bobby Cox + Terry Pendleton = Gapping holes(squared)
In all fairness to this team – this is nothing like the 80s. This team has talent that isn’t being reached. Those teams were awful. Their rookies never panned out, their free agent signings were busts, their best players got hurt, Bobby Cox was their manager.
Okay, you press pass people, you have a chance to change the team. During all this eyeball business with McCann, I’ve been wanting to say this, but didn’t want to be one more person with a long distance medical opinion, cuz generally those are dumb.
Mac’s struggling and rubbing his eyes again. He is a candidate for Ocular Rosacea. Can somebody drop the hint when you get close enough? He gets the rosacea redness sometimes, and his last name starts with Mc (that’s no joke, Irish/Scotch heritage brings it a lot). He’s in the years when rosacea’s facial redness isn’t normally as bothersome as it is in the late 30′s & 40′s, but the ocular part which effects vision intermittently often sets in around now (20′s).
Optometrists (sp?) are slow to diagnose it. An eye test isn’t always reliable. It comes and goes, and it’s kind of a film/ inflammation. It’s treated differently than other vision problems. Antibiotics, special drops, and such. I have it, but it’s so mild I just drop in some natural tears when it flares and bear with it. But I’m not trying to look at a 95 MPH fastball. There have been days, though, when I couldn’t hit a 50 MPH beach ball with the vision in my right eye fuzzing over. And it apes regular vision trouble.
One reason it might be an especially slow diagnosis for Mac, if he has it, is that it is generally more associated with acne rosacea than non-acne (facial flushing) rosacea. But you can have ocular rosacea without the acne, as I do. Never had the acne part. Often had the ocular.
So, there it is. Your ameteur medical opinion of the day. Mac may need a dermatologist more than an eye doctor. Spread the word.
Very interesting Dr. B-Oz. Makes sense to me. Is this a fairly common affliction?
I really love KK’s quotes at the end of DOB’s blog…not blaming the lack of run support or his blister but rather his poor pitching for the loss. I think we win tonight. We just can’t keep losing. They can’t ALL hit this bad forever. I hate when we play in Washington cause I’m blacked out…too close.
About 16 million Americans have Rosacea. The mild cases are the most common, and frequently go undiagnosed. (It’s not that destructive to most people – just to be red-faced more often than usual, or have dry eyes, etc.) Up to 60% of rosacea victims are believed to have some ocular symptoms.
Well, I’ll admit he’s a better maager than he is a manager. I once got maag’d in Central Park. I tried to defend myself, but my punch to his face was ineffective. He was so nice, though, he took my money but said as he ran away “You threw a good punch… it just didn’t land… get ‘em tomorrow…”
p.s. I don’t mind losing as much if I can at least enjoy the privelege of being grumpy about it. I think that’s something I always misunderstood about the whiney fans. It’s a legit way to follow a team: griping about it. It’s not always as serious as you think. Sometimes it’s just the funnest shtick available given the team at hand.
Bubdylan, you’re hilarious. I didn’t even notice that. You have a crazy and entertaining brain. Go Braves!!! I feel a win tonight…in my gut. Of course I did eat lunch that was prepared by a bunch of sweet, very old ladies. Have I mentioned how I love the new format?
Well, for the record, I never thought of you as whiney. Sometimes I just crave a glimmer of hope. If this is how the season is going to play out week after week eventually I’ll accept it. I’m just not ready yet even though logic and really smart brainy baseball people tell me too.
I’m gonna throw this out there and see what happens (insert guy humor). No judging allowed, especially by you Curtalicious and I ask everyone to remember that I have a tween. Ok…ready? I’m so nervous…here it comes.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/prado-puts-advice-into-520624.html?cxtype=rss_sports_82062132Mara Raincloud Says:May 5th, 2010 at 6:45 pmOh wait…are you saying you think she’s hot? So much gets lost in print.Leave a Reply Name Mail (will not be published) Website← Flushing the Weekend Away Recent Podcasts■Show#105: The Braves Sweep Away the Losing Streak■Show #104: Braves Go First to Worst in Week 3■Show #103: Braves Take Both Series in Week 2■Show #102: The Braves Start the Season 3 – 3■Show 101: Predictions for the 2010 Braves’ Season■Browse all ShowsRecent Blogs■Flushing the Weekend Away■A Different Braves Team■Left Coast Struggles■Shot Heard ‘Round the South■Battle for the Last Three SpotsArchives■May 2010■April 2010■March 2010■February 2010■January 2010■December 2009■November 2009■October 2009■September 2009■August 2009■July 2009■June 2009■May 2009■April 2009■March 2009■February 2009■January 2009■December 2008■October 2008■September 2008■August 2008■July 2008■June 2008■May 2008■April 2008■March 2008■February 2008■December 2007■October 2007■September 2007■August 2007Recent Tweets■atlbaseballtalk: 7 hits. 1 from KK. Almost as bad as the Hawks Tuesday, 4 May 2010, 9:46 pm■atlbaseballtalk: Another crap offensive showing against a lousy starting pitcher. Nice 85 mph fastball Tuesday, 4 May 2010, 9:13 pm■atlbaseballtalk: We were on the right side of a lot of ifs today. Gotta keep it going. Saturday, 1 May 2010, 6:03 pm■atlbaseballtalk: Tremendously good signs from the offense today. except Chipper who looks slow and in pain. Saturday, 1 May 2010, 5:43 pm■atlbaseballtalk: 5 runs off a starter. Thank goodness for the Astros. Saturday, 1 May 2010, 4:58 pm■atlbaseballtalk: Horrible base running error by Ross. Shades of the road trip. Saturday, 1 May 2010, 4:27 pmBlog Directory■Brave in New York■Steve■Hammy■CurtSocial Media■Twitter■Facebook Application■Facebook GroupFriends of the Show■Tomahawk Talk■Braves Report■Atlanta Braves Links■Talking Chop■Bottom9■Atlanta Braves Examiner■Braves Love■Minors and Majors■
I hate to complain (right) cause I DO LOVE the new format however, is there any way the pages can be flip flopped? So when the website downloads the latest page automatically comes up and if you wanted to see previous comments you could go to previous pages? Just curious…no biggy.
Ok…Paper bag mentioned Matty D hitting the ball tonight, McCann still can’t see but we’re working on that, Chip did good…do we feel better? How concerned are we about a pulled groin? 10 hits sounds a lot better.
Princess…sorry I don’t remember the SOSG talk. Obviously, I should pay closer attention! And, btw, one of the c’s in tcc stands for Curtis. Curt “I ain’t your daddy” so don’t worry, but probably old enough to be
SHUT UP! Thaddeus Cledus Curtis? Awesome! BubALICIOUS, the big fella on Baseball Tonight with the butt cut and scruffy beard did say he didn’t like hearing that about Hey Hey Hey cause his guess is someone’s not stretching him right.
What an unlikely win tonight. Did anyone have any faith after losing Heyward and then blowing the lead in the 8th that we’d get the momentum back and actually pull it out? Big props to Medlen in the 9th for shutting them down and breathing some life back in the team. And Glaus with the big hit to start the 10th. I’m hating him less and less.
Leah – I kinda like the order of the pages as they are, ala DOB’s blog. But I will see if, after you post a comment, you can stay on the current page and not be sent back to page 1. Working on that.
Steve..the new format is a little more work as is, but we will work with it. Last year we saw the Braves win when Chipper was out. That was big. Tonight the Braves won when Heyward was out. There must be a message there somewhere. Seems like this team could just “click” and then….Ka Boom!
In other news, the Nationals are a couple pieces from having a heck of a ball club. And I guess they’re about to add Bryce Harper to the fold.
This is why it’s crap to be mid-market. Either be the Yankees & Phillies and spend money. Or soak up enough last place finishes to build an entire team out of first draft picks like Nats, Fish, and Rays. Being in the middle is just going to be endless frustration.
Think of it, our limited success right now is built on snagging a player so late in the draft our scouts had to hide in the damn woods to deflect attention, and a draft & follow pitcher that turned to gold. In Tampa, they just pick the best right off the tree for, what, 5 years in a row? Seven? Ten? Heck, I don’t know. But can you imagine a few years in a row of Strasberg/Harper/Longoria/Lincecum, etc? Those types?
You know what would be brilliant? To plan a 10 year swing of coming in dead last for 7 years and then starting to spend a ton of money after all the draft picks start coming on strong. You could build a dynasty like that.
Bub, that’s a good point, but there are lots of teams that are awful and stay awful because despite the fact that they pick early and often, their scouting department is crap – see the Clippers. I mean, Kansas City has to have had as many high picks as Tampa and they are still terrible. So there is some skill to developing a team from the dregs. And some luck too. The Braves were hell-bent on drafting Todd Van Poppel until he told them that if they did he would go to college. The Braves were forced to settle on their second choice and thus Chipper Jones became a Brave.
I dreamed last night that I was on a long journey in the company of an eccentric old priest. It was too crazy for words. We were hitchhiking on interstates, and he was devising a way to make money for the trip by selling medicines (they were real medicines, too) that he could make. But in order to be trusted, he had to make some spectacles out of scrap glass and wire. People trust a man with glasses, he says.
Does I-65 go to Jersey? Well this crazy black lady told us it did and we walked the interstate at night. Every exit ramp was like as high as a mountain, though. And every time we would start walking or climbing anywhere, the priest guy would start singing the Jefferson’s theme song. I know there’s limited entertainment value in other people’s dreams, but I had to tell this one. It really was like a movie.
Ca-razy dream Mr. Licious. I guess I’m super easy to please cause I loved it. I had no idea of the watch’s significance until it was too late. Did you notice that most with any real ties to life back home are no longer with us? With the exception of Claire and Desmond, get rid of Smokey and the rest are living a vacation!
Actually, I went to sleep watching Annie Hall. I think that did it. That dream was the offspring of a cerebral whirlwind. No Diane Keaton, though. Bummer. Hell, I’d have settled for Shelley Duvall. I forgot she was such a cutie, I’m used to thinking of her as Mrs. Torrance.
Well, it may or may not work, but here’s where I’m coming from: suppose you’re DOB, and some ruckus gets started on the blog involving 85 medical opinions from 84 bloggers on a player they’ve never met in their lives (including me). Would you validate that rigmarole by mentioning it to the player? I wouldn’t.
But if you got one private message about one condition, maybe.
The game hasn’t even started and Chip’s in fine form: “That Texas drawl of Chipper Jones…” I’m not looking it up, I’m going to state what I’m 99% sure of: Chipper’s from Florida. Right??
In other news – I’m with Leah that I’m loving my ABT t-shirts and my office will love my ABT mousepad tomorrow.
On encouraging note, the words McCann used to describe his slump sound to me like it isn’t his eyes.
“Things aren’t where I need them to be, just not putting together good at-bats. I’ve just got to ride it out. I haven’t really been here before in this position where I’m at right now. I’ll find a way to get back.”
McCann’s too honest for me to think he’d say he hasn’t really been here before if it was his eye(s), which of course is right where he’s been twice before. Just doesn’t sound like the language he’d use to describe it, even if he didn’t want to talk about his eyes again.
I did some research to see if a team that was no-hit had ever gone on to win the WS, and surprisingly there were 8 teams that had accomplished just that. I am willing to bet that none of those teams was no-hit twice. Is this just not the most damning indictment of how bad this team is offensively? Seriously? And Huddy throwing another gem for nothing.
I don’t think these win-one-for-the-gipper lame duck seasons normally work out too well for anybody by the way. The few I’ve witnessed, even at high school football level… they just seem neat up front and then, meh, this is the back end of an era. Yawn. Let’s get to next year.
I like counting down Bobby’s games and I also like the Rays. Especially that Longoria fella. When you say follow dobyou mean watch? I also like frozen symphony bars. I’m eating the entire thing by myself and I’m NOT folding laundry although there’s a mountain of it.
I don’t know about following the next series…. This is just really really bad. I would much rather watch Freeman and a rehabbing Schafer than this group. I would think those two could do better than these guys hitting below .230 and .200. Maybe bring up Clevlen too. I don’t know. I got home to see us being no hit through six by Olsen. I wish they had been no hit just so it would sink into Wren’s head how bad this group he put together really is. They are pathetic. I hope we don’t have to see an entire miserable season from McLouth and Melky. I really don’t see Glaus coming around. I think the first 28 give a pretty telling glimpse at what he’s going to do for the year. The 3-8 hitters in tonight’s lineup are now hitting under .230. I think 5-8 are now all below .200. I guess there was Ross substituting for McCann hitting a scorching .261.
Wilbur, I know this will sound subjective, but you are wrong. Lost was good. Some of the best acting in a while. Just like the Wire, I love that none of the characters are sacred (even though we saw Jin in Sideways world, which was a little anti-climactic.) Didn’t like the Titanic like scene with Jin and Sun and thought it was weird that they were talking to each other in English. (Dear everyone not named Leah or Will, isn’t this fascinating?!) I give it an A-.
Braves – uggh. Um at least we didn’t get no-hit twice in a month? Poor starting pitchers – at least with JJ out we are spreading the lack of support around, (except for Edmund of course).
Hawks – 3 out of 8 quarters isn’t bad right? We don’t have to play the whole game do we? That seems to be asking a lot; I mean we have been playing all season. We shouldn’t have to keep playing after the original 82 games. Then again, I could be wrong – I have been banging my head against the coffee table for the past 15 minutes.
Steve it’s Major League staring Chipper Dorn and Troy Cerrano. Nate McLouth can play the roll of Wlllie Mays Hayes and Cox will play the part of Lou Brown, the foul mouthed manager all the players love.
This series really is a good microcosm of what the season has been so far. We go 1-11 with RISP in game one and lose with Livan Hernandez getting the win with Moyeresque stuff. In game two we somehow score 7. Cox is convinced the team can hit. In game three Reality comes knocking, and we almost get no-hit by Scott Olsen, an inconsistent pitcher the Braves usually crush.
Can you imagine what Ozzie Guillen might say in a post-game press conference about the way our team plays? It would be refreshing to hear that instead of “we hit the ball hard right at people.” “Zimmerman put on a show in the field.” Seriously Bobby? Didn’t Zimmerman have 2 errors. I guess he’s throwing the guy some props because he knows if Zimmerman hadn’t thrown the ball around we wouldn’t have scored at all. OK I’m done.
Ham – de gustibus non est disputandum, but I hear ya.
Mabye I can change the grade to a B/B+ for pure evil of Smoky but …
- the Arab character blows himself up?
- the beelabored reuinion sub plot ends with…the stuck in a sinking car/ship/boat bit
- the fat guy….cries?
- Kate gets shot with a rifle…a rifle…like a 30-06…in the chest, but hops on a submarine, hangs out for 10 minutes, then escapes said flooded sub at 80 feet below the surface…and swims to shore… and hangs out while the fat guy crys a bit…sort of clutching her chest, like her bra is on too tight
- Sawyer gets everybody killed…now that I believe
I could go on…just rang a bit phony to me.. Jack’s acting was excellent..he gets an A.
I’m going to briefly state my case for abandoning the Braves in favor of following the Rays for just one summer. And then I’m going to ask you all to give me your honest opinion; on a scale of 1-10, 1 being scum of the earth and 10 being perfectly forgivable; how bad of a fan do you think I would be to pull the trigger.
1. I find Joe Maddon fascinating.
2. I find the Rays fascinating, and this is the last year they’ll be this dominant, most likely, with Crawford and others pricing themselves out of range starting in 2011. This year only they can take it to the Evil Empire in amazing fashion. Do you guys know how good this team is?
Listen, they’ve scored 168 runs and allowed 85. That’s right, 2 runs short of DOUBLING the runs that have been scored against them. They’ve scored THE MOST RUNS IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. And they’ve allowed, get this, the second least, AND San Fran, who leads that total by 4 runs, has played one game less than the Rays.
The Rays are 21-7. WHAT? .750. They stomp teams. 70 million dollar payroll and they beat the crap out of teams the livelong day.
PLEASE, mama, I WANNA! Say it won’t make me scummy. SAY IT!
3. I genuinely do not like the Braves team. I don’t like them. Don’t believe they are committed either in the front office or on the field. I actually believe Brian Jordan; that Chipper phones in the winter routine and the stretches. That Cox grandpas the team into complacency. That Escobar and Glaus are about three pouts short of being unlikable personalities. Not only will the team lose all year, it’s going to be agonizing, with good pitchers being constantly punished and the NL East swallowing them whole. I’d like to be excused please. I don’t feel well.
4. I like the DH. I know I’m alone on ABT in that, but I like think it’s a more elegant and fitting version of the game, no matter which version is older.
5. I half think the Rays will wear down and submit to the Evil Empire. So, while I’d be jumping on a bandwagon, I would at least be opening myself up to the clutches of the most disgusting sports franchise in the universe. Over here I’m safe. I don’t hate the Phillies. I do hate the Yankees. I could actually take a worse beating over there, so… I get SOME points for that, yeah? YEAH?
Alright, so there it is: Would you blame me? Does it sound like a slimey thing to do? Because… what do I owe this group? It’s not like I became a fan in ’91. I was around for the sucko years. I feel I have certain rights.
6. Rays hustle. All day, every day. They run like their asses are on fire. That’s almost enough by itself. I think it’s a rare window to follow a team that could do something historic. And I just don’t want to lose that out of loyalty to…
Bub – I’ll give you a 3.5, but only to make myself seem more compassionate than Hammy.
Everything you’ve said is absolutely correct. The Rays are immenently more rootable, more successful, apparently filled with more heart, soul and cool thick plastic glasses frames. But, the problem for me, at the end of the day, is that I don’t give a sh*t about the Rays or any other team in the league. You may claim that I’m just rooting for laundry but I love this franchise and care deeply about their outcome every day of the year. It’s unconditional love for me. My love for the Braves is much, much bigger than my love for MLB. I’m not saying you’re wrong about your opinion (but, you are and so is Will about Lost). I just think we come to it from different places. Am I pissed and frustrated and disgusted beyond belief? Yes. Do I secretly think they have a run in them in the 2nd half like they did last year? Absolutely. Is it based on any empirical evidence? Hell, no. But this is what I do. Go Braves!
I…need a moment…*presses hanky to trembling lips, squeezes eyes tightly shut to keep the tears at bay*
What is up with our LOST website? I guess it’s down so I’ll have to use this one. Sorry guys. Will, Sayeed was totally sacrificial. Sure he hasn’t felt any emotion for weeks but still. And Jack told you…the bullet went all the way through. I am in love with Hurley, Hugo, tub of love and when he cries, I cry.
fine….ill have to watch the episode again….but i dont think ill change my opinion. dont like being ganged up on…it usually means im right.
i too am a braves only guy…grew up in atl the main reason, but also for lack of bandwidth to follow anyone else.
Will recalls that on paper, things looked pretty darn good. spring training…pretty darn good. could easily turn around. agree w steve. too early to roll over. Go Bravos
question..any interest in reading my bat$hit crazy mother’s email description of a tour of Derek Lowe’s house on Peachtree Battle? It was with some woman’s group she joined…This woman could care less about the braves….actually mildly hates them since she is a braves widow…but her reaction to this house is funny. Teaser: disco ball in the garage…and then they toured Turner field. Any interest?.maybe to lighten the somber mood..? she sent me a bunch of photos of Turner field, the dugout, the locker room..
what Steve said, without all the mushy, lovey stuff.
I can see pulling for the Rays if the get to the WS and are playing the Phils, as I did, and following them during the season as a casual observer, but the Braves are it for me. I remember a friend saying that he cheered for Michael Jordan after he hit a shot to beat the Hawks. This guy was an Atlanta native, but he just rooted more for a winner than for his hometown team. I was mystified. Not saying that you are a frontrunner, and they would be a fun team to follow, but I can’t support other teams. We play those guys this year. I do like that team alot, and would love if they had Atlanta on their chests, but they don’t, so I can’t.
I AM SOOOO COOL
From: Sally Montgomery (xxxxxxxx)
Sent: Thu 5/06/10 12:02 AM
To: Ben Montgomery; Will Montgomery; Sam Montgomery; Miwa Montgomery; Christina Montgomery
Oh My Gawd!!!! I’m just way beYOND Cool! Yesterday I went all through the “summer” home of Braves pitcher Derrick Lowe (did I get the spellin kerik) ALL through this huge imperesssssive humongous house on Peachtree Battle. WAY OUT OF PLACE on Ptree battle – doesn’t fit – but GORJESUS. Hits his summer house – other homes in california and Florida. Had draperies in the garage! with a disco ball hanging from the cathedral ceiling (of the garage). Beautiful pool, kitchen, downstairs decorated beyond belief – like straight out of ADAK – if that’s yer thang. Upstairs – one bedroom had purple – dark purple walls – very contemporary – wonderful to look at – great colors all over (know you guys would just adore the colors). Lots of televisions – one you can watch through the mirror hanging over it – can’t tell it’s a TV til you turn it on so you can watch all he sports events. Incredible basement – or “Lower floor” or “below ground” or whatever – huge weight/training room – mirrors, etc, wine celler, vented cigar smoking room, more huge TVs in a row with reclining chairs – indescribable – twas lots of fun. Can’t imagine anybody getting it dirty – much less kids runnin around it. Boy all our kids would have had a blast in it – bet we could get it messy
Then TODAY I toured Turner Field – had lunch at the 755 Club – I could have CARED Less but it was such fun. Went with the Tomodachi group of the Japan American Society – Miwa you’ll love this – lots of cute Japanese women – tho they don’t meet in the summer. Maybe I’ll be able to get some names – but they are so friendly. Most are wives of Japanese businessmen – have the same problem that American women have in Japan – can’t work – can’t get work visas – so stupid! But they have lots of free time to go through Turner Field and do other fun stuff. we had a tour – I sent email photos – couldn’t send the SMELL!!! and it DID – like dirty sports equipment – yuk! We went through some of the corporate boxes (stanky), the press stuff (needs renovating! let the Lowe’s decorator up there) – where the announcers sit and the TV interviews take place – and the press sit – went to the Sun Trust Club, out on the field, in to the dugout – to the locker room – through the Museum – also up on the top where the Cow, Coke bottle and cannon are. Then we had great food at the 755 Club – fun people – Americans are mostly old ladies like me. Actually there are several members that I’ve known for a long time from other activities I’ve done – like XXXX (XXXX’ mom). One very elderly lady – very interesting – and lively – woman (had a large dressing on her neck from carotid endarterectomy surgery – didn’t slow her down a bit)- is Hungarian with an American husband – and they lived in Japan long ago – he was with AMEX then – but she was a nurse in WWII – in Hungary – spent 2 months on a German railroad boxcar in the winter – and she’s a hoot!
Glad to know Lowedemort is spending his money wisely. Really cool email. I wish I had an hour or two to converse with the Hungarian WWII nurse. I hope she’s written her stories down. The WWII heros are dying and their stories with them. My friend spends an hour or two interviewing her great uncle who fought on D-day everytime she gets back to B’Ham. Must document that time period. Ok…done harping. Thanks for sharing Will.
Taking my son to the Rick Riordan (the Percy Jackson and the Olympians author) book signing at Emory tonight. Will only catch the game via my blackberry. Which I think may be a good thing. I smell a vintage 5 earned run outing from Lowedemort tonight. Final score: 7 – 1 Phils.
Bub, I need more info. When you say “abandon the Braves to follow the Rays” what all does that entail? Are you driving down to Tampa instead of Turning Field? Are you pretending ABT doesn’t exist and finding some sorry blog to post with your sorrier new Tampa friends? Watching a game or two, parts of games, keeping track of where they fall in the standings… all ok with me. I’d give you a 6. You disappear for the summer due to your new found love of the Rays? Unacceptable. You are scum.
Maybe I just don’t understand fandom, then. I got into the Braves because they were on t.v. I stayed with them because I knew their names and faces. Well, and I was born in Atlanta, but I was born at a very young age and nobody asked me if I liked Atlanta or not.
So, you can’t choose your family, as they say. But is that the deal with baseball teams, too? I dunno if I can get behind that. I never really stepped aside and said to myself, “Self, what baseball team do you REALLY like, and why?” If I had, I can tell you immediately, it would probably be a DH team.
And I wouldn’t be stepping aside and asking it now if the baseball team I habitually follow was winning games. There’s no way around that. Abandoning ship when times are hard: that smells bad. I know it does. And for a first place team. That’s worse. I get it.
But, what marriage? I didn’t take any vows. The Braves didn’t woo me, they just broke into my television set and TBS’d me into submission. I hate driving in Atlanta. Mapquest tells me I’m 9 hours from a Ray’s game, which sucks. But for the two or three times per season I get to the Ted… well, I dunno. This isn’t going the way I wanted.
But… what marraige? And if I go root for the Rays this year and then decide to root for… I dunno, the Twins next year, in an age where about 0.01% of ballplayers ever go anywhere besides the precise ballclub that forks over the most millions, what is it exactly I’m supposed to be tied to here? A city I don’t live in? An owner who doesn’t care about baseball? Turner Field itself? The Braves logo and uniform?
So, IF I was gonna look around for the first time in full awareness and pick a team, would it even be the Braves? And WHY would I necessarily do that anyway? Teams change every single year. The things I like about the teams change, too. You say it’s a marriage, but I wouldn’t marry a woman that promised to surgically remove and replace a third of her parts every year, including her brain and heart. That does make a difference.
What I like is the sport itself. And I like some players, too. A couple of managers. I may go free lance. Or, call it Free Agent Fan, right? Doesn’t a Free Agent player at least claim to take the situation of the teams into account before he signs on? And they get paid a gagillion dollars. I’m do my part for free… I even pay money to it. Can I not size up each team each year and decide what’s best for my career as a fan?
Baseball had evolved into the haves, the have-nots, and the have-a-windows. The Rays have a window right now. Maybe I’ll root for a team with a window the rest of my life. If that makes your knee jerk, I have to ask again: WHY stay with one baseball team? I know it SEEMS proper and loyal, but what is the real baseball morality here? Where does it come from? Why am I being asked to stay with one team when changing jobs is acceptable, changing hobbies, changing clothing styles, changing favorite t.v. shows, changing neighborhoods, states, and even countries is considered adventurous and liberating?
Its ISN’T marriage. There are few things in life that require or even request that kind of loyalty. I understand why you guys feel the Braves is one of them. I’m not sure I’m with you on that, that’s all.
Ok, so you have a few logically points and I think just maybe you could, for a season, pull for a different team. However, Bubdylan, you operate on way more than logic. You are all heart with a huge side of loyalty. You’d come back. I’d wager it wouldn’t even take an entire season. It just feels better if I have to suffer through the season, and I don’t have a choice, you should HAVE to also. But your right (ugh) you do have a choice. And if you DO become a freelance Baseball fan you should create a blog cause comment #329 would be a kickass post.
“The variability in response of patients with ocular rosacea to these immune reactions may account for the extreme variability in clinical signs and symptoms associated with this disorder.”
Also just read another account yesterday of a sufferer having to revert back to glasses from contacts. It really does start to look more likely. But then again, that’s how hypochondria always works, so I guess it could work that way for paranoia regarding somone else’s health, too.
Kevin Goldstein in an insider article highlighting NL East minors:
The Most Dominant Pitcher In The Minors?
Julio Teheran, RHP, Atlanta Braves (Low-A Rome)
Wednesday’s stats: 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 K
While he doesn’t have anywhere near the publicity of Stephen Strasburg — and understandably so — Teheran is one of the best pitchers in the entirety of the minor leagues. In his first six starts, his ERA is 0.81 — with 40 strikeouts in 33.1 IP and just 17 hits allowed. Signed out of Columbia in 20007, the 19-year-old has the stuff to match the stats, with a 94-96 mph fastball and two secondary pitches — a slow curve and classic changeup — that project as above average. He’s still a long way off, but he’s one of the few pitching prospects in baseball with true ace potential.
Watch out, we got Jamie “The Fossil” Moyer against our lineup from last night. Big Sweaty on the mound for the Braves. This could be over after 3 innings. At least the Hawks have no chance of being disappointing tonight.
Bub, think back to what Mets did in their first inning against Moyer on Sunday and what we just did tonight. Still early in the game, but…. Chipper resembles the character of Charlie Kelly’s Mother on It’s Always Sunny On Philadelphia. For those no familiar with the show, the character Charlie Kelly’s Mother is a chain-smoking drunk.
Freaking brilliant, Bobby. An unwinnable game and you bring in Kimbrel to make his MLB debut in CBP against the PHILLIES. Because, confidence doesn’t matter to a rookie. I wish Bobby would retire right now. Tonight. Don’t wait another day. Please call a press conference and say the words.
Everyone even remotely affiliated with the Braves should either resign or be fired immediately. Including the players. Have they no pride? Seriously? Have they no pride? As men? As professional baseball players? You just got a 2 hitter thrown against you by my 8th grade science teacher. He was THROWING 70 MILES PER HOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I honestly read quotes from Bobby or any other Brave praising Moyers and talking about what a quality game we played I might never watch a Braves game again.
Seriously. At what point does someone get fired? When does TP go? Even as a scapegoat? There must be a shake up. Coming out of ST, the two teams I read so much about – so much about how sharp they were and good they looked – the two teams were the Braves and the Rays. Um, one of these things just doesn’t belong. I’m so disgusted right now. 1-8?
Curt, I don’t know what it’ll take. But with their mentality, I can’t see them letting anybody go based on a game with McCann, Heyward, and Esco all out hurt. It shouldn’t matter, but it looks bad in the papers.
Maybe at the end of the road trip, they’ll do something. But I doubt it.
The Braves just can’t get up once they’re down. They showed this at the end of last season. Those last 6 games mattered to me, and I was disgusted with them for mailing them in. They just don’t seem to have any mental strength or something. Hell I don’t know. I hate to keep coming back to this, but I firmly believe the playing for grandpa mentality is killing them. Baseball at the top level is hard, soul-busting work mentally and physically. It’s a grind. They just get tired and, that’s it. Jim Powell said their shoulders were slouched. Diaz made a late dive, so that’s good on him. But for the most part they literally have quit.
I always feel like they don’t try hard enough or they don’t want it bad enough but then I read quotes from the players and they seem as discouraged as the rest of us. David Ross sounded like he needed to be on suicide watch after last night’s game. I didn’t get to watch tonight so I shouldn’t even comment. Of course that’s never stopped me before. Just wondering what the hell’s gone wrong. I’m with Curtacular or whatever his name is at present. I want a scapegoat.
This will blow your mind. Before today, Jamie Moyer hadn’t pitched 9 innings against the Braves since my birthday. My 15th birthday. Oberkfell drove Dale Murphy in on a double in the 10th to with the game. Bruce Sutter with the save.
The quitter mentality is nothing new. I distinctly remember the playoff series against the Cubs and once we were down 1 run we quit. The only guys with any energy were Marcus Giles and DeRosa. And I still love DeRosa because of that series. He would get on base and look into the dugout and beg them to get fired up. I hate Bobby Cox so much. Bub, I don’t know if you listened to us last season, but I made a big point about the grandfather thing. That quote came out over and over and I just couldn’t get beyond it. My grandfathers are dead, and I was only close to one of them, but I will say I loved him and loved being with him, but in no way was their any discipline associated with being with him. Nor is there with the clown that manages this team.
Kimbrel sounded like he looked good. One inning, one hit, no runs, no walks, two strike outs. I think he threw a wild pitch, but I can’t remember. But sounded like his stuff on the two K’s was really strong.
Curt, I’ve been around since just before the Glavine interview. I was a slow convert to the theory of the Grandpa Badness. I forgot you were an original advocate. “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.” Or… reverse that.
I missed the entire game (the book signing thing was pretty cool). And I have NEVER, NEVER been so pissed looking at a box score. NEVER. Forget the obvious and insane fact that we were 2 hit by Moyer. But ZERO walks. And 7 runs given up by Lowe?!?!?! The 5 a game was ridiculous enough. But 7!!!! Utterly pathetic. I can’t think of any other way to describe it. Go Braves!
lol, the whole team is convinced – genuinely convinced – that Jamie Moyer threw some kind of brilliant, once-in-a-lifetime pitching performance tonight! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I’ve never seen anything so clownish in my whole life. Is this One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest? Or, maybe it was twice in a lifetime. Both times coming in his first two outings against the Atlanta Braves. Have they completely lost their minds?
He didn’t carve anything up. He’s terrible. He was terrible before he faced Atlanta the first time, terrible between that time and this one, and he’ll go right back to being terrible in his very next performance. They’ve flown the coop, I swear. I can’t believe those comments. Best game ever pitched by a blah blah blah. The Braves have been shut out more times than ANY TEAM IN BASEBALL. It’s not them! It’s YOU, Atlanta! YOU and YOU ONLY! Am I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?
This team has jumped the shark, no kidding. You guys are certifiable if you ride this out. I love you all, but you need perscription meds if you keep going.
I swear I will not listen to one more broadcast watch one more game on television until Bob Cox is gone from here. Not one. I’ll look in on a box score once in a while and check in with you guys, but no more games. None. No, not one. I promise.
I honestly thought I was beyond getting enraged about it any more. (And I did enjoy Tampa’s game. Did you guys know that Soriano has been doing very well? I thought he would punk out down there.) But I am mad as hell to read the postgame comments. – “He’s the same pitcher night-in, night-out. He’s going to sink and cut the ball, change speeds, frustrate you a little as a hitter, and you’ve got to be patient and make him come to you.” BLAH BLAH M*&^%f$#^ BLAH. If he’s the same pitcher night in and night out, then HIT THE DAMN BALL like HOUSTON – HOOOOUUUUUSSSTOOONNNNN!!!!!! did, scoring the same 5 runs off him as everybody else besides ATL who got SHUT DOWN by him TWICE!
I honestly, absolutely, CAN NOT believe they would open their mouths to say ANYTHING besides “we’re just playing piss poor baseball.” Even if they think there’s a CHANCE it was a good performance, SHUT THE HELL UP. Nobody wants to hear it. Poor pitcher after poor pitcher after poor pitcher CAN NOT be having the same good performance against ONLY ATLANTA! SHUT UPPPPPPP!!!!!
Done. Finished. Caput. Adios. No more. Zippo. Nada. Cero. Ziltch. Nothing. Fried. Burnt. Blown. Baked. Ticket punched. Ship sailed. Game over. Lights out. Carnival closed. Out of business. Out to lunch. Wrecked. Case closed, door closed, coffin closed, and need their mouths closed. This team is the stupidest team in all the stupid history of all the stupid world. Dumber than a glue-eating monkey. I could smoke ten pounds of crack and perform brain surgery in the dark better than these dunkheads can play baseball.
STOP!!!!!!!!! MAAAAAAKE IIIIIIITTTT STOOOOOOPPPPPP!!!!
See…all heart. Something HAS to give. If I were TP I’d turn in my resignation and say “Sorry fellas. I guess I ain’t got it.”. I expect them to lose today but man I hope they win tomorrow. Come on guys…for the Brave Mother’s!
We do have a sweet team down here in TB. Watching them and listening to the Braves…. there should of never been a comparison between the two. Joe Maddon’s players would never quit on him. These guys on the Braves are a bunch of overpaid losers. No wonder the underpaid latino players hate playing on this team.
LOL @ Tampa Bub at your 1:26 am post. You really got your frustration across there.
I am so disgusted by the excuses coming from the Braves. They seem to give all of the credit to the opposition and take none of the credit for their poor performance. You CANNOT expect to get a fastball down the middle, you need to MAKE hits and figure out HOW to win a game. Completely unacceptable.
Good job Medlen and happy to see a crooked number on the board. I know, we still suck but I wanted to say something positive. I miss Cledus and the negativity gets to him.
So does the fact that McCann is wearing glasses again and that he sees better during the day support the funky eye disorder theory?
Wearing glasses again does support the theory. But O.R. isn’t the only thing that can make contacts a pain.
Yes and no to the day/night thing. Yes because at night, lights are goofy looking – extra large halos, etc. But almost all vision troubles are worse at night, so it’s not an especially telling clue.
No because O.R. is aggravated by sun exposure. If I had to make a call, I’d say the day/night is evidence against the O.R. theory. But the all these parts of the condition are variable, which is why it’s so hard to diagnose unless the skin symptoms accompany it. (Even that is tricky, as many skin troubles ape Rosacea. Misdiagnoses abound.)
Mara, that’s exactly the deal with me. I’m not stable enough to be the fan of a 90 loss baseball team. I need the happiness. This was the first time in memory when I’ve had the complete leisure to watch/listen to a Braves game and did something else. I tuned into the Rays game. We lost. It didn’t mean that much to me, so I guess Steve has it right with “cuz I just don’t give a sh*t about the Rays.” But maybe that’s honestly what I need.
I’m gonna stick it out, just… to do it. It might not be a passion (I don’t know, it might be, I did get very excited during the one part of the Rays game I was genuinely interested in and had some knowledge of – hearing Maddon’s pre and post game comments, refreshing would be too small a word)… it might not develop into a passion but the truth is I need the release from the mindbusting frustration of being the fan of an inept ballclub more than I need the thrill of following a team that plays well. I’ll take both if I can get it, of course. But I doubt that thrill will be available to me as a first year Rays fan. You can’t replace the years invested, it’s true. But, like I said, I’m sticking with it. Damn the torpedos. Full speed ahead.
p.s. I’ll feel less like a frontrunner soon enough. I had a look at the Rays April schedule. You think the Phils had it easy? The Rays played one good team. One. And the lost that series. At home.
Alright, I’ll knock off/ severely limit Rays talk now. I’m sure first time podcast listeners visiting the comments are like “what the?” Not a great way to follow the show where Steve invites in-game chat.
“We lost.” Owwwwwiiiiiiieeeee! You do what you gotta do. I figured you were doing something different today than watching the Bravos. It actually was a good game, besides, ya know, all the no hitting by players that should definitely hit. Bobby put in lefties to face Ryan Howard…TWICE! Medlen was stellar and you could tell the bullpen felt like they were one unit. Didn’t matter which pitcher was on the mound they were part of something going right for this team and they were proud.
Ok…I promise I’m gonna let this go. I’m sure everyone’s sick of me hounding you however, I just have to say you should watch the top of the 6th inning as well as the bottom of the 8th and the bottom of the 9th. Some good small ball in the top of the 9th as well but it’s just depressing how shocked we all are when Glaus get’s a hit. The bottom of the 7th was difficult and nerve wracking but noteworthy. There could have been a huge momentum shift. We had just left two guys on base and Moylan threw 8 consecutive balls. Enter stage left, B Mac. he calms down Moylan who then gets the out and as Ryan Howard steps up to the plate, the crowd goes wild, Venters jogs across the outfield. Ryan hits a pop up fly. That could have gone many different ways of bad but it didn’t. My point in all that blabber iiiiiiiiiis…had the Braves lost today? I would rather see all those good things amidst the Glaus leaving 9 on base and Chip reaching through errors and walks than watching a team win I care nothing about. Wagner is retiring. He’s a legend and we get to watch him close out ballgames that OUR team is winning!
I won’t be selfish and lay on a huge guilt trip. Your mental health is more important than that. I’m just saying I’d rather hurt from a loss than not feel much at all over a win.
I’m sorry. I’ve been down that road too many times. The nature of baseball dictates that even an awful team will win some games. And the Braves are an awful team. And it isn’t necessary for them to be this awful. That’s a fact I just can’t get around. I’m not wasting my time on a team that is unnecessarily terrible.
Since the day before the first Moyer game, I’ve been screaming at them to develop an approach to Moyer. But they won’t. How can I stand behind a team that is blatantly lazy in their game? From today’s INSIDER, a small piece called “Why They Won,” that picks out a few pitchers and explains their win in a nutshell:
“- The off-speed was effective because the Braves chased 47 percent of pitches (MLB Avg. 31 percent). Moyer also threw a strike on 70 percent of off-speed pitches thrown.
- When Moyer got behind, he still got outs. Braves hitters were 0-8 when ahead in the count. Opposing hitters were hitting .458 coming into Friday against Moyer when ahead.”
That’s a writer with absolutely no motivation to disparge Jamie’s performance, basically saying, without trying to sound obvious, that the BRAVES were behind Jamie’s peformance more than Jamie was.
The only team Moyer faced twice all year, and yet the only team so backwards, so inept, so unprepared mentally that they can’t get three hits off him in 9 innings. Up there trying to hit that 80MPH garbage like it’s a regular pitcher. Like they’ve never heard of him before, much less seen him.
And today’s box score tells me plenty even in one glance. Glaus still leaving gobs of men on the bases, and still sitting right there at #5 where he can soak up the most baserunners on the whole team. I’m sorry, I’m just not into it. I’m done. I feel bad about it, but not bad enough to keep torturing myself the way I did last year. I remember it so well, winning a game or two and believing this is the start of so and so and such and such if only they’ll start yadda yadda yadda.
They’re not going to start anything. No team that can show me this against Jamie Moyer twice in a couple of weeks is suddenly going to turn into a disciplined, focused team with a smart game plan and solid fundamentals because they caught a lift from Medlen and the luck of baseball. They’re awful. And it isn’t necessary. They don’t have the horses to be great, but look at these averages compared with their careers. They just aren’t prepared for good baseball. They blew it. The leadership from Bobby is terrible, and there aren’t enough McCann’s and Diaz’s and Prados to overcome the Chippers, Escobars, and Glauses. Go back to Glaus’s face in the tunnel the night he hit the big homer against Philly. That’s your power hitter. Your first baseman. Loaf 2.0, a mercenary who hates it here. Not unlike your most expensive pitcher, Lowe. Not unlike your pouting icon who’s calling out players again in half-veiled snarks. What a mess. Can’t do it.
And now I’m really done. I can’t imagine how obnoxious it is to read my crap, and I’d be saying, “okay already, go root for your new team and quite griping about your old one.” Sorry, breaking up is hard to do. I loved this freaking team and I’m sincerely hurt at them over what I got in return for my passions.
So I’m on my way home listening to the game and I hear Infante getting thrown out at home plate, KK pitching as expected, ChUtley scoring on a shallow fly ball and I can’t wait to get home so I can watch. Certifiable, in need of therapy and meds. Can’t be helped. I’ve tried and cannot reach apathy.
Just so y’all know Hinske and Infante hit homers off Lidge in the 9th. The wind blew them back to the warning track. If Infante isn’t thrown out at home in the 1st or Cabrera grows a pair and throws out ChUtley we win. Call me a simpleton or an idiot but with KK pitching and without Heyward and Chipper this was a winable ballgame. I’m not ready to give up on 2010. Will we win the division? No. Am I setting myself up for heartache? Probably. So stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. Go braves!
How did Bobby leave Hinske out of the lineup? Hinske can play THIRD, LF, RF, 1st, and he should probably start there over anyone not named Heyward or Jones. Earth to Bobby, you have been consistently benching a Major League hitter and throwing out a lineup full of talentless losers. Really unbelievable guys. That was a sweepable series. But noooooooooo……… I’m Bobby Cox, I am going to take the same lineup that almost got no hit by Scott Olsen, and throw it up there against Jamie “The Fossil” Moyer, and then see if he can do the job. OOOOhhhhh, too bad, Glaus got a couple of singles. In one inning these geniuses looked at 3 pitches. 3. The inning took less than 2 minutes. The Hamburglar gives his usual performance that reminds Frank Wren every five days of what an idiot he truly is. Then Medlen comes out of the pen to look better than our two other starters who, combined, make about 23 million more a year than he does. In spite of Glaus’s 9 men LOB, we still win. Hinske, who finally starts, is an essential part of the win, so what do we do the next day. Infante, Prado, Melky, Glaus, McCan’t, Diaz, Conrad, McOut, Kawakami, BARFOLA! Cox is a baseball wizard ladies and gents. Were it not for three hall of fame pitchers, the man’s likeness would be going no where near the Hall of Fame. No logic explains not playing Hinske. If you wanna play Melky because he’s a righty, sit McLouth, put Melky in Center, and put Hinske in left. OR, if you’re even smarter, you leave Brooks Conrad at the hotel and you play Hinske at third. Either option would have been better than benching Hinske after he won the game the day before. Also, if you use the righty/lefty argument for plauying Melky over Hinske, then don’t you play Ross over McCan’t, who might be going blind for all we know. Everytime he gets in the box and squints I lose my mind over the absurdity of our team. And then Melky tries to bunt for a single and gets thrown out by 30 feet. How high is Melk Dud? I wish Hinske had hit that ball out in the ninth and then told Bobby he’s a moron when he got back to the dugout. GM, coaches, they’re all bad. That’s why this is a bad team. I bet Frank Wren opens the sports section every morning, flips to the standings, and then laughs like Claw from Inspector Gadget at the Braves and O’s in last place. It really has become a laughing stock of an organization. Oh, and I forgot to mention, Larry’s hurt again. Well surprise, surprise.
McOut – I am so with you on the Hinske thing today. HOW, HOW, HOW is he not in today? And Melky batting third?!?!?! I’m still not over that. Hinkse plays the outfield. And actually HITS! I’m wearing out the stupid exclamation mark key!!!!!!! Argggghhhh. 10 minutes until show time.
Believe me, it’s not necessary. I’m telling, if I COULD stop being a Braves fan, if there was a button I could push and do it, I would push it right now. There’s no merit in my loyalty. I’m not saying I’ll stick with them thick or thin. I’m saying there’s nothing I can do about it.
Shaking your fists at the baseball gods is about as useful as shaking them at the Real One. I lose.
Me too. Today’s game wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. It’ll be good to get Heyward back in the lineup. Woulda won today with him I just know it! I liked the quotes from Diaz, Hinske and others today. Not much but it’s something.
Awe…thanks Curt. It was actually wonderful. I did pretty much nothing and was promised the ability to watch the game without interruptions. It almost happened, only one interruption and he’s adorable so it was ok.