Great show guys. I have now watched a no hitter on tv and listened to one on the radio thanks to the Rays and Braves. I think the fire TP meter has to be at like 5 for the Braves. I just think there’s no way Bobby will let it happen. We go 3-3 on next stretch. H and H both win. Yovani Gallardo probably has a really good shot at throwing a no no on Wednesday. The Hamburglar will lose, as will KK. Both probably give up homers to KJ. We lose 2 to D’backs at home. I pray Heyward and Yunel are back soon.
1. Infante LF/IF
2. Prado 2B
3. Chipper 3B- He won’t be moved unless it’s his call….
4. McCan’t C- If he can see…….
5. Heyward RF- Best 5 since Justice
6. Escobar SS- If people pitch around Heyward it will motivate Yunel to burn ‘em.
7. Glaus 1B- Mr. Singles gets more RBI opportunities here
8. McOut/Schafer CF- whenever Schafer is ready it’s his. McOut is annoying. SWING DUFUS!
9. P- No way Bobby Cox goes against the book and bats a pitcher 9
*What’s the word on Freeman. Can he play 3rd. I feel like even if he is called up to play off our bench and spot start it could be good for him. When he’s ready. Obviously if he still needs as many ABs as possible he should stay in AAA. I heard he’s been hurt, though. I think we’ll see him in ATL by end of Summer. Maybe sooner rather than later if Glaus starts hitting .190 again…..
I would consider flip flopping McCan’t C and Heyward in above lineup. Heyward would be nice protection for Chipper Dorn… if he’s healthy. I would like to see the KK and Medlen swap soon, maybe even this week. I also wouldn’t mind seeing what one of our high minors guys could do in a start, and maybe stick the Hamburglar in the pen. Maybe they should send the Hamburglar to a sports psychiatrist like they did with Smoltzie. They could probably find a Japanese-speaking therapist for KK, too. Anything… I pretty much put them in the same category as Blow-Blow: guaranteed to lose if started.
Did anybody see the look on KK’s face and his body language after his last inning? The guy looked completely defeated. I think he might be done in terms of confidence. He looked like he didn’t understand why he was still being sent out there by Cox. He had the same body language in his last AB, too. I just felt really sorry for the guy… Then I remembered that he is getting paid like 8 million and yelled,”Your supposed to be a Major Leaguer!” at the T.V. set. I’ve been yelling that a lot lately. I think my neighbors are concerned.
In response to the “maybe TP has been saying all the right things but they’re not listening,” I have to throw in Kelly Johnson again. Kelly did listen, and the advice was very public. The advice was also very bad, and wrecked his patience and rhythm.
So, I think that in addition to losing the players’ respect, he’s also just bad.
Re: McCann’s eyes, my right eye has been fuzzing over again. Major blurs this morning. With the baseball gods obviously messing with me as it is (screw the Rays), I swear McCann has this. Nothing from DOB in return, I’m gonna assume it’s the brush off.
I can’t accept any knock on McCann’s character at this point, and shame on you for calling him selfish knowing only a handful of facts. He’s made a ton of responsible and wise decisions as a player here and has kept the best head on his shoulders in the whole dugout. If McCann actually does have O.R., it’s easy to understand why he didn’t know how to respond to this extemely disappointing development. It comes and it goes. It messes with your head. Can I see that straight? Seems like I can. No maybe that’s fuzzy. And you blink and it’s gone. Blink again and it’s back. Again, I don’t know that he has this, but it’s not black and white.
Think of the extra work he’s done, how far he’s gone above and beyond to make improvements – while things were going WELL– AND while no contract decision is anywhere in site. Brian McCann trying to get through his baffling eye problem privately, even assuming it’s been an error in judgment, doesn’t merit that strong a language. Weight problem? Worked like hell on it. Defensive problems? Took yoga. Working his tail off. Eye trouble? TWO surgeries. No leadership from Chipper? Timid as he naturally is, he stepped up and gave the talks. Money? See Joe Mauer.
He isn’t above criticism, but you guys unloaded some major barrels on the guy’s character, which isn’t deserved.
Prado and Heyward need to be benched. Tired of all this “hope” sh*t every time they come up to bat. Every pitcher can’t be Jamie Moyer, and when they groove pitches at regular speed, no “trick speed,” if you’ve got Heyward or Prado up there, you can end up with runs. If they think we can sit on this early failure and be guaranteed the kind of laughable season that purges all the demons (and coaches) from this club, they’re crazy. Being a national joke takes concentration. Don’t let up now. Bench the rookie and the 2B before it’s too late.
And quit taking chances with Kris Medlen. Far too strong a pitcher to be starting games. You can’t win a penant in May, but you can make it much harder to come in dead last. Call up Parr if you need to.
Bub- upon re-listening to the show – I agree, I was a little hard on McCann. The whole situation is just so frustrating. I think he has good character and is a hard worker, but I can’t believe he put the team’s fortune in jeopardy b/c he was hiding an injury. Certainly you can’t point to any one thing that is causing the atrocities that are happening day in and day out, but Heap’s pride is a part of the problem. I certainly wouldn’t say that he intentionally is sabotaging the Bravos, and his intent is to do the best for the ballclub. BUT the results are obvious. He should at least let the coaches know (if he didn’t already) – let them make the “best” decision for the team. Then again, maybe he doesn’t have faith that the coaches know what the best decision for the team is.
I really can’t stomach another losing week. Please for the love of Nokahoma, at least split this week.
Regarding my unloading on McCann, I stand by it. His actions were indefensibly selfish and misguided as I see it. And, all the more upsetting and shocking exactly because of the things that Bub listed. He IS seemingly the best character/leader guy on the team. So how could he act in such a way? Honestly, I have no idea how it’s not a bigger story.
just watched Lost again, as promised…..good on the plot development, action sequences, etc…..(as i said the first time)… but goddd, i had to fast forward thru quite a bit…paaaainfully maudlin stuff. I may downgrade my rating. B-/C+. GO BRAVES!
When I listened to the show I was right there with you guys on McCann. I was hurt by his negiligence. But when I read Bub’s slap on the wrist I can see his point also (I know, women). I just think it’s terribly sad that he HAD to go tell somebody. I mean what’s the difference in his day/night BA? .200? Really? I guess if they had ever experienced something like this in the past. Oh wait…THEY DID!!! We all knew he was struggling and we even suspected his eyes were the culprit before he started wearing the glasses again. How daft does a coaching staff have to be. Sure, I think he should have said something weeks ago. I’m sure he would say the same. Hind sight is 20/20.
Good show! Tonight’s pitcher for the Brewers has a 8+ ERA. Something good will come of tonight’s game. We’ll win or we’ll fix him.
Mara – it’s a good point about the coaching staff. How does no one on the staff ask McCann about his eyes, given the past history? I don’t think it removes any of the culpability from McCann, but it is unthinkably crazy on the coaching staff’s part.
I agree about McCann. Somebody should have known this was going on, or he should have let them know. This is the second year in a row a player has played hurt and ineffectively for a long stretch of time, and everyone’s acted liked no one knew about it: Schafer ’09, McCann ’10. It’s either idiocy on the part of the player or the manager and other coaches. Either way the Braves management looks like they don’t know how to run a team anymore. I don’t get the Kimbrel call up over Dunn, unless Dunn is hurt. I don’t understand how Conrad made the team over Thurston out of Spring, Thurston was hitting like .300 at the time while Conrad only .200, and one could argue Thurston is a better defensive player. Jo-Jo’s continued presence on the team out of Spring is moronic at best. Can anyone remember the last time that guy looked good in an appearance. I am of the mind that Hansom should have began the year in Atlanta last year, as was proven by his rapid success when he got here. When he came up he immediately became our most reliable starter behind Javy and JJ. It was obvious he was better than Lowe and KK. I really don’t think the brain trusts of the organization, in the front office and the dugout, have a firm grasp on who is on their team and what they are capable of… Adroys Vizcaino better be the next Tommy Hanson for the Vazquez trade to make sense. ragardless of what Javy is doing now, he was coming of a great year. We traded our best starter for the Yankees 7th or 8th best hitter. I just don’t understand how this team is run anymore. I will be even more baffled if JJ comes back and Medlen is moved back to the pen instead of KK making the obvious move to the pen. The Hamburglar deal is appearing to be worse than the Hampton deal with each start. At least Hampton gave us a chance to win when he actually played. I wish the Hamburglar would do the honorable thing and fake injury for the rest of the year.
Again, I’m not thrilled with McCann’s choice, I’m just amazed at the willingness to turn to this tone on the guy after the rare personal qualities he’s displayed as a ballplayer. Chalking it up to arrogance and pride when none of his other actions as a Brave fit that bill is rash. I’ve never been embarassed to think of any player we’ve taken to task hearing the podcast before. But I’d hate for McCann to hear such a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately attack on his character at the first evidence that he’s ever done anything this wrongheaded after such a stand-out track record.
If you feel it’s “indefensibly selfish,” in the light of the two surgeries, the culture of this game, the pressure on his shoulders, and against the backdrop of his flawless character up till this point, you ought to at least frame your criticism with a few disclaimers. If you can’t listen to that podcast and pick up a certain wrongness to the attack, maybe I’m just being too sensitive. But I’ve never heard a ballplayer taken to task, in print or otherwise, and taken the side of the player. And I don’t have any can’t-do-wrong feelings on McCann (hate the way he dodges blocking the plate, by the way.) So, for the first time I find myself entirely uncomfortable with the way a criticism was handled. I can’t help thinking you got carried away in your frustration.
What a great and valuable player, and all time rarity, character-wise, on the verge of possibly losing his brilliant career before it could blossom, to have such quick and uncareful words added to troubles. All his hopes and dreams as a ballplayer are possibly unravelling, all his aspirations threatened by some eye problem that won’t go away. Can you imagine the sinking feeling? He doesn’t even know what’s going on with it. When my O.R. was at its worst, I thought I was going blind, the progress was so rapid and erratic. It could be a perfect nightmare. (And it could also not be. He might not have these feelings at all. But have you considered it? It’s part of the big pile of facts we don’t know, isn’t it?)
Add to this that he’s been in constant communication with his eye-doctor. He hasn’t been ignoring it. He’s been trying to address it privately. So, the question isn’t how much better he could have been playing if he’d told Bobby Cox’s confused old ass about it. He told his doctor about it. That’s how you get a medical problem fixed.
The question is how much better Ross could have helped the team. Probably significantly better. And that’s why I agree it was a mistake.
But, man what a forgivable mistake, from where I stand. And at least a mistake that should be surrounded by recognition of his outstanding character if its going to hit the airwaves. Not framed by a tone as acerbic as DOB bloggers (and most of even those guys give McCann the benefit of the doubt here, if that tells you anything.) Not on a show as classy as this one. Not in my opinion. But I don’t expect you to agree and I respect your stance. McCann’s not made of putty, I’m sure he can take it.
OK PEOPLE! We’re all a little frustrated. One of the reasons I love this forum is because we all care…even when we don’t want to. We can’t help it. One of the reasons I love the podcast week after week is it feels like three friends getting together to talk about baseball and I just get to sit in and listen and learn. I don’t have friends (besides all of you) who care a frickity frick about baseball much less the Braves. When the hosts get together I’m sure being sensitive to a player isn’t on the formost part of their temporal lobe. Especially when we are all clearly sad, disheartened, frustrated…fill in the (blank) preferrably using a really bad dirty word. No, we don’t know what McCann’s been through over the last few weeks and I’m sure it’s been difficult. That difficulty no doubt was heightened by a lack of confidence in the coaching staff. Maybe he thought to himself, “self, why the hell should I tell those guys. So bobby can make me bat leadoff?” Bubalicious, I’m not saying you don’t have a point and Hammy already apologized. I think we can all agree that post #5 is damn funny.
“I’m not saying you don’t have a point and Hammy already apologized.”
I’m not asking anybody for an apology. They gave their opinion and I commented on it in the comments section. Steve stood by his stance. I re-listened to the podcast and said more.
I’ll let it go. I’m not trying to start a big thing. I just felt compelled to defend McCann a bit, admitting I’m being overly sensitive (and hyporcritical) in doing so. It’s not like I’ve done this ever before or am likely to do it again.
I love McCann, too, Bub, in the same awkward way I love Chipper Dorn and Hanson. That’s why I get frustrated with Chipper and Mac. I will stop calling him Mc Can’t from now on; however, I think Hamburglar is up there with Kung Foo Panda in terms of nicknames for ballplayers, and who can resist calling McClouth McOut?
Anyway, I think we all expect so much out of B-Mac, and when revelations about his half-blindedness are coupled with his struggles, then it makes it easy to attack him. He is so crucial to this team’s success. They proved last year that they can win while not having Chipper Dorn in full form. They look like a really bad team with a struggling/hurt Escobar, 1/2 blind McCann, hurt J-Hey, and hurt JJ. We can’t really be that surprised that they’re struggling without all of those guys. We can be frustrated with Cox’s lineup moves, though. Not playing Hinske yesterday is clear evidence of his ineptitude. The best Braves teams were always the ones that Bobby could just sit back and watch and not tinker with. How does Conrad get a start off the bench in front of Hinske? I would say starting Diaz or Melky over Hinske is also a mistake. In fairness to Wren, when he acquired Melky he said the guy would be a good 4th outfielder. He never said everyday outfielder, which is what Cox thinks he is for some reason unbeknownst to any rational human being. We got Doug Davis tonight, who is a lefty with a very high ERA. I am worried…
1. Infante SS
2. Prado 2B
3. Dorn 3B- If he can play
4. Glaus 1B
5. McCann C- I wonder if we might see Ross, though.
6. Hinske LF- confident he can hit a lefty better than any OFer not named Heyward
7. Diaz RF- Why Not? Gotta figure he’s due to crush a lefty.
8. McLouth CF- We will need his glove in this series
9. Big Red P
*In fairness to Bobby, trying to make a good lineup out of what we have available is difficult. In fairness to Yunel, Melky needs to be benched for his boneheadedness.
Using the same lineup in Friday’s debacle that you used in Thursday’s debacle is pretty bad, too. We wouldn’t have even scored Thursday were in not for Zimmerman’s defense, which somehow really impressed Cox based on his post-game quotes. Cox’s final season is starting to remind me a lot of Bobby Bowden’s final season at FSU. His last four or five years are also reminiscent of Fulmer’s last years at UT. All three had a lot of questionable coaching decisions and a lot of post-game interviews that left you scratching your head saying, “Huh, what game was he watching?” and “Does this guy know what he’s doing?”
McOut, if you’d been longer, you would really see how willing I am to mock players myself. It’s a complete joke that I’m taking this motherly stance with McCann. Can’t excuse or explain it. McCann, to me, just really is that rare and special personality that deserves extreme care by the fans.
But hell, I don’t know him except from interviews. As Black Francis said, “I’m an idoloter to the t*ts.” I demonize with my left hand and hero-worship with my right. So, just ignore me.
That goes for everyone. Damn team has me in fulltime freak out mode.
Bub, I hear ya’. I find mocking them is a cathartic process by which I accept them for how bad they truly are. Thus, I use McOut, McCan’t, Melk-Dud, Mr. Singles, Hamburglar, and Dorn, Larry, Limper or Lipper for Chipper. A name for KK is still in the works. I frequently, out of lack of my own creativity, absorb good nicknames I’ve stumbled upon through reading funny blogs on how bad the team really is. I respect your motherly stance, though. BMac is a four time All-Star.
To jump into the fray, I just listened to the show again and I honestly don’t feel like we crossed a line. I think if you look at ABT’s history, our love for McCann has been overt. We are constantly singing his praise, as well we should. He is a once in a lifetime player and we all deeply appreciate that. But what he has done in this current situation is not above criticism. I don’t see that we were impugning his character, but simply questioning his decision making. It was irresponsible at the least to continue playing in his condition. If it had been a wrist or knee could we have criticized him? If it had been Chipper with eye problems and done this would you jump to his defense? In my heart, I think that McCann felt that he was putting the team first by playing through it. I believe that that is the type of guy he is. But in his stoicism, he let his better judgement slip. I am certainly not trying to make light of his problem. I understand the seriousness of it. I had lasik a year and a half ago and I have days where my eye is fuzzy, where it won’t focus properly, where it is red and irritated all day for no reason. It’s a real thing to me. And I can’t imagine if I had a job like his and what rides on his ability to see. It’s troubling to even imagine what he must be thinking about. But that does not excuse a poor decision to continue to play when he physically could not. He’s hurt. And the love that the fans have for him would have allowed them to accept his absence due to his vision problems. Without question. I have no idea if the team kept sending him out there knowing he had this problem and hoping he could get through it. If they did, shame on them. But I don’t take back what we said. And again, if this is Chipper or Glaus with the same problem, Bub you would leading the call for retribution.
Chipper willingly moved to left field to accomodate the team and promptly tore his hamstring. He direptitiously impacted his future in baseball and probably shortened his career as a result. Yet, everyone craps on him without question. All his injuries, his leadership, and I lead that chorus. Bub, you dump on Smoltz every chance you get. He had 57 arm surgeries, moved back and forth from the bullpen. All for the team. He could have remained a dominant closer, but he saw a need for a starting pitcher and moved back knowing that his arm might explode again. I know you freely admit that you might be acting a tad bit hypocritical here, and I admire your defense of McCann, as noted we all love him, but is there not any part of you that thinks he deserves some criticism for this? I don’t know if it is arrogance or pride or what on his part, I think he believes he is doing it for the team. No one knows except him and his doctors. I hope the glasses work and he is back to form as the best catcher in baseball.
We get to see the Moyer/Olsen lineup in action again tonight. Is this really happening again? How is Melky not benched for his mental error, but Yunel is benched more than anyone since Klesko or Andruw. Unbelievable. I will never understand the enigma that is Bobby Cox. I guess we know no what he is w/o 3 HOFers, the manager of a last place team and a moron. I feel sorry for Eric Hinske. That guy is getting benched for 3 guys hitting below .200. I don’t understand it. How is this coaching staff getting away with this crap? IMO, We are quickly becoming the LA Clippers of baseball.
Look, forget everything I said. Let me restate it with a calmer tone, alright? I’ve been all over the place. And this really will be the end of what I say, no matter what the response is.
McCann has given us five years of exceptional hard work and put on display one of the top characters in baseball. So much so that he’s at the top of the list of players that non-Brave fans like. Every time you turn around, he’s doing or saying something that makes you proud to have him.
After five years of that, his first dumb decision is met with the same kind of mocking, belittling criticism that, in my opinion, should be reserved for players you’re “fed up” with. It’s too quick to let these kinds of dogs loose on such an oustanding player’s motivations, character, etc, after he’s shown nothing but near perfection, character-wise, for five years.
To me, it’s like, if your kid comes home his senior year with his first D after four years of straight A’s, constant honors, school president, etc, and you go off on him to the tune of, “Boy, I guess you thought you were being all ______ or whatever. I had such hopes for you, and now this?” McCann’s got like 50 or 60 A’s and one D. Come on. Also, he’s 26. Remember 26? It’s not the same as 36. To me, it’s a sin to lay it on him that thick, in light of all the facts.
Bub, it’s an honest and thoughtful debate. As I said, it’s great that you feel so strongly for McCann. I think we all do. His contributions have been nothing but exceptional. He is the guy I root for above all others. And perhaps because of that, we expected more. I’m excited that he is getting the issue rectified. I’m ready for him to contribute again.
Our job is to drive conversation. The McCann story was a big one. It was the first time we had ever even thought about questioning anything he has done. Might be the last. And it might be a microcosm of our frustration with the whole team.
“Not good news on Jurrjens, whose hamstring tightened badly when he was running on field to test it while ago. He went straight to training room and they’re having their pre-series scouting meeting, so still haven’t gotten a chance to talk to Jurrjens or to Cox about the pitching plan, because coaches were meeting right up to the regular scouting meeting.”
This is really bad. To me, we still don’t have an all-clear on his arm. And we won’t know until his hamstring recovers. Would be just awful to not get him back for another month just to discover his arm is goofed.
I think Bobby’s just really locked into having Hinske just be a pinch hitter. He could be like another Infante, though. Conrad seems more like a poor man’s Keith Lockhart. But we are up 7, can’t complain too much. I’m glad they didn’t do what they did against Moyer/Olsen last week. Everyone seems to have somewhat of an approach at the plate. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chipper get a lot of days off when Escobar gets back. Wasn’t Freeman signed as a 3B?
AND PRADO…with a grandslam. No Steve…that was an imposter. However, I have caught him checking you guys out. I told him he can’t look at the message board and not post a comment. That’s like eavesdropping.
Another fun fact about tonight’s game: Hanson became the first Braves starting pitcher to have a scoreless outing all year. Before tonight, the Braves’ starting pitcher gave up at least one run, earned or unearned, in every game.
Cleveland and Cincinnati are the only other two MLB teams who haven’t had a scoreless appearance by a starter yet this season.
Hanson is amazing. I am so excited about J-Hey playing tomorrow. Go Braves!
Lineup: Infante, Prado, Chipper, Glaus, McCann, Heyward, Melky, McLouth, Hudson. I think Heyward is going to give the Braves an extra boost tomorrow for a W. They need to get this one because Gallardo vs Hamburglar is a tough matchup for the Braves.
How fun is it to WANT to watch Sports Center and Baseball Tonight? Very fun! That’s how fun! I know we still suck, dude can’t pitch, Brewers stink at home… I can’t help it. I WANNA SWEEP! Can’t wait to see J-Hey bat. Speaking of…gotta watch ESPN at 7 tonight.
This month will tell us a lot about how bad the Braves really are. They are bad, as April showed us fans quite clearly. Our next opponents are Brewers (2), B’backs (3), Mets (2), Reds (2), @Pirates (3), @Fla (3), Pit(4). None of those teams are currently seated higher than 3rd in their respective divisions. Even a mediocre team should probably win all of those series, even the 2 game series with Cinci and the Mets. In june we get more Phillies, a lond road trip with LAD, D’backs, Twins. Then we’re home for Rays and Royals. Then road for White Sox. Then home for Tigers and Natinals. The Braves should probably try to get hot in May because June is going to be a tough month given the long road trip and interleague play, which the Braves usually do so well in, right? Hey, at least we get the Royals this year. We have a schedule this year, aside from most of May, that could put us well out of it by the All Start break. Time to stay hot Braves- if you can count one game as being hot.
I look for the Braves’ offense to come alive soon, and put up 4 runs per game. But I also look for Lowe, and especially Kawakami, to continue giving up 4+ runs in starts of about 6 innings. So, all in all, I would expect about a .500 record in those games. Chavez has returned to Spring Training form. Medlen is not available to bridge those short outings by pitchers to Wagner. Moylan’s scuffling a bit. I look to start losing more 6-4 games, instead of 3-2. Unfortunately.
Where’s Escobar? Does he play for the Braves anymore? Anyone know?
A line-up that could play .600 ball against those teams, but which they’ll never do:
Who could have conceived that Chipper, McCann, and Escobar would all three flop around like this for a month+?
The Glaus acquisition reminds me more and more of the Kotsay deal. (Minus Kotsay’s great attitude.) Injured star makes … sort of … a comeback. Numbers aren’t great, but decent production in spurts. Some nice moments. Nothing to stack the team around.
Paper bag, pretty funny post. I would definitely put my money on Braden’s G-Ma vs the Hamburglar, maybe good pitching runs in her family. If the Hamburglar continues to struggle, then the players should make him carry a purse everywhere he goes, even out to the mound. I bet Hamburglar and KK are in the clubhouse having a tea party and combing their dolls hair while they tell stories to each other about each individual doll. That’s what my nieces do, so I imagine those two girls doing the same thing. I imagine the whole thing gets pretty awkward for KK’s translator.
While Jurrjens is on the DL, they need to be MRI’ing the heck out of his right arm. His MPH were down again in the last game before the injury. Just saying. It won’t cost anything (well, okay, MRI’s are pricey, but not in Baseball LaLa Land where these people live), and if he comes back mid summer just to pitch three games and then KABLOOEY, we lose two years instead of one.
Bub, yeah I made the post trying not to think about JJ being out and KK and Hamburglar making regular starts. Esky’s back Saturday. I have a feeling Chipper Dorn will see more time off when Esky gets back:
1. Infante 2B/LF
2. Prado 3B/2B
3. Glaus 1B
4. Heyward RF
5. Hinske/Chipper LF/3B
6. Escobar SS
7. McCann/Ross C
8. McOut/Dud CF
If I had to do an everyday lineup. Mac doesn’t look good in middle of the order anymore. Chipper needs to ask to be moved. This lineup would never be used in a million years, but it’s fun to dream.
Bub, I’m with you on JJ’s arm. He has nit thrown well all year. This is not turning out to be JJ’s year. It would be awful to get him back and find out he needs makor shoulder/arm surgery. They really need to figure that out because without him this pitching staff is probably below average ,even with Hanson and Hudson being so solid.
By the way, that homerun swing by Prado last night was a beautiful thing. Perfect swings like that one are what I live for. I’ll never forget the way Kelly’s swing looked on that jack versus Maine in NY. Wasn’t it a GS also?
Anyway, just watched it again. A perfect swing, perfect crack off the bat. It’s been a long time since baseball made my heart flutter like that. I didn’t know Marteen had developed such a sweet, quiet stroke like that. I believe this kid is working his way into a permanent #2 spot. As in, for years to come.
It would be nice to see Prado stay in the 2 spot for years. It would be nice to see Heyward be a pure 4, and then see Freeman come up and be a good 3. Our future at 2-5 could be Prado, Freeman, J-Hey, Mac, which is not too shabby. A lot of people don’t like Escobar, but I think he can still become a great SS and good 6 hitter. I think this organization needs to establish a good core. That’s what the Phillies have when you look at Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, and Werth. All 5 are around the same age, early to mid 30s, and have been instrumental in their recent success. If you have a lineup like that and a couple great starters and 3 other good pitchers you can compete every year. The Braves core 5 could be Heyward, Freeman, McCann, Prado, and Escobar with JJ, if he’s healthy, and Hanson being the two studs. I’m also excited to see Julio Teheran in Atlanta in a couple years. Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino appear to be the heirs to the pitching staff. I would count out Minor or Masters either. There’s a lot of good pitching on the farm. That’s the problem with being a Braves fan now, it seems like our best team is always a year or two away.
On the show you guys laughed about how much less pressure Melky is under now that he’s in ATL instead of NY. I couldn’t agree with that any less and the fact that it was kind of laughed at and then moved past I don’t know if you really gave it much thought.
Sure the media in NY is extremely intense. But Melky was playing in a line up of perennial all stars. He didn’t have to do anything for weeks at a time and the rest of them could put up their typical numbers and no one would notice. Now he is on a team that is struggling offensively from top to bottom. Everything has to be scrutinized (including him) and there is no one to protect anyone in the line up.
He was brought to this team with expectations. In NY he was way down on the team as far as guys that people expect production from. So I think he has a LOT more to feel pressure about now. And so far he hasn’t been able to produce despite that pressure.
Fischerking04, you make a good point. However, I’d say being a role player in Atlanta when the offense is struggling is almost equal to being a role player in NY with the offense doing well. Look at Javy Vazquez, he’s a role player of sorts, and they’re in first place, and he’s being booed off the field. I know he’s actually costing them games.
But between Bobby’s lax attitude toward poor performance, and Atlantas dead last place (read: nobody cares), I gotta think the pressure is slightly diminished from NY. It’s not as if he came from NY as a #9 hitter and we’ve had him in the top of the line up (well, Bobby’s had a couple of brain farts, but what’s new?).
Actually, when I watch Melky play, I see no “I feel pressure” about him at all. I see “Just happy to be here. Pass the cashews.”
The point I was making is that there simply isn’t the scrutiny on the Braves that there is on the Yankees. In any fashion. The coverage of the Braves is basically one major paper, a couple of small sports talk radio stations, some local TV, and that’s about it. The coverage in NY is 1000x that. There are professional bloggers following the Yankees. The coverage of the Braves, should this continue, will disappear once football practice starts in Athens and Flowery Branch. ESPN personally carries half of the Yankees games.
The expectations were pretty low for him. In fact, the main piece of the trade for Vazquez was Vizcaino, not Melky. He was brought in to be a 4th outfielder, not our savior. Even with him playing so poorly, the coverage of that has been pretty limited. He got hammered in NY when he played poorly. Everyone in NY knew who Melky Cabrera was, the only people in Atlanta who know him are Braves fans.
Fischerking04… I don’t know. I guess it depends on what kind of player he is and what kinds of pressure affect him. The one newspaper town that is Atlanta, filled with non-head hunting type columnists, dials down the pressure. And the player’s manager of all player’s manager certainly dials down the pressure. And the small, not so vocal crowds at the Ted dial down the pressure also. That said, you’re right about being very much relied upon on a team that’s not delivering – and continuing to be trotted out there when you’re really scuffling (although that could be said for much of the team). But isn’t that the pressure that all players (should) feel?
In other news – I’m really, really, really worried about JJ and what this means to the team’s fortunes (I know, but I couldn’t think of another word).
Good to see Medlen get more starts, b/c I think he’s the real deal as a starter, but having to replace JJ? Bad stuff.
Some guy on DOB’s blog last night, under the moniker In the Know, posted that JJ’s shoulder is injured and he’s going to miss the rest of the season. I realize this guy is more than likely NOT “in the know,” but – what if he is!?!?!?!? I got totally spooked by that post.
JJ missing this season doesn’t bug me too much. With Lowe and KK out there… what’s one more good starter? But my nightmare is that he could have already had whatever sugery could fix him for next April/May. And instead it’ll be next August before he returns. Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Meds, Minor/Lowe looks so much better than Hudson, Hanson, Meds, Minor, Lowe.
(And no, I don’t think KK will begin 2011 as a starter. For whatever reason, he, like McLouth, gets less love from the organization somehow than the other flops.)
Didn’t JJ have shoulder issues before he came to Atlanta? He’s been great, but I think that was one of the negative knocks on him at the time of the Renteria trade. I hope he is alright. If he goes down for good this seasonand possibly next season could be over. Right now, with the upcoming schedule they’ve got, optimism is still hanging around for me. I think if he does return to form we could be a lot better as a result of his injury because it will force KK to the bullpen, but KK to the bullpen will hinge on Medlen having another good outing on the 18th and JJ coming back without any more issues. There would then need to be someone in management smart enough to say, “Hey our team is better with Medlen starting over KK.”
BUT, The shoulder thing freaked me out when it first happened, and that was a while ago. To me, that issue has never been resolved because he hasn’t really had back to back good outings since the shoulder thing due to the hamstring thing, which sounds just about as good as the shoulder thing right now. This JJ-thing is a mess. I’m with Bub. The absolute nightmare scenario would be him going on like the 30 or 60 day DL for the hammy, and then finding out the shoulder is hurt too once he’s back and can start, which would probably lead to surgery in August or September. surgery that late would probably mean missing significant time missed in 2011. This is a complete disaster scenario that a lot of Braves fans are now playing out in their heads because we all remember Mike Hampton. One thing leads to another thing and then the guy doesn’t play at all for a couple years. It seems to happen with pitchers a lot these days. Remember that Mike Hampton was a Cy Young-caliber pitcher before his limp down injury lane. Alright, enough thinking about that. Go Braves!
Holy Crap! Bobby must be standing on his head cause he totally flipped the lineup. I like it! Whose been crying for Prado to hit leadoff? Hmmmmmmmm? And Heyward finally at the top! Chip may be as old as Methuselah but teams aren’t going to walk Heyward to get to him. I don’t think.
Gregor Blanco is now hitting .290 for the G-Braves and Schafer is up to AA on his rehab stint. At this rate we will could see one or both by June. It’s kind of ironic that we acquired McOut because Blanco and Schafer couldn’t cut it last year playing CF. A year later we might see Schafer and Blanco back in Atlanta because McOut can’t hit anything. It’s the circle of bad outfielders.
Steve & McOut, yes to the Jurrjens shoulder discomfort in Detroit. Can’t remember if he missed time or not, but I 100% remember thinking we got duped with a hurt pitcher for Renty, and I worried about him his whole rookie season.
Big surprise, Chipper hits worse than last year and backs out of the retirement talk before even coming out of his slump. I’d like some mad cred for calling this one. I even called the “I talked to my dad and…” part.
So, next year, Chipper and Lowe team up to suck the team dry.
I’m officially grumpy. In one fell swoop, we find out a. Chipper’s not a man of his word, and b. Bobby isn’t willing to move him from the #3 spot even when he IS willing to put Heyward up top.
Line up is awful. Getting Prado and Heyward the most at bats possible is all I like about it. Stubborn to keep Chipper at #3 and dumber that dirt to put McCann at #4 in a night game right now. Better hope Prado gets 3 hits and Heyward knocks him in 3 times.
Not happy with this team. Not happy at all. What a disheartening freaking development. I wonder if the next manager will hit Chipper #3 no matter what.
“It was a true statement,” Jones said. “If I don’t play this game at the level I want to play it at, then I will walk away from it.”
Most baffling to Jones was he couldn’t blame his decline — including slight dips in homers and RBI — on injuries. He played in 143 games — his high mark since 2003 — and had 488 at-bats. He finished with career-low totals of 18 homers and 71 RBI, down from 22 and 75 in 2008.
Jones’ hits, runs, homers and RBI have declined two straight years. His 22 errors last season were his highest total since 25 in 2000.
“I’m not going to stick around and be a role player. I’m not going to play the game just to earn a check. I want to produce. I want to be good. That’s all there is to it.”
When did Chipper say he was definitely not retiring after the season? All he said was he feels good mentally and he’s not thinking about retirement right now. His swing feels good and he thinks the results will come. Do you want him to think he’s going to be bad all year? In August if Chipper’s playing as bad or worse than last year and he says he won’t retire, then I’ll be mad at him.
Alright, I’ll back up. I have said that Chipper will not keep his word, and that there’ll be a string of squirming comments that will end with some strained rationalization for him staying, no matter how poorly he performs. So, with today’s article, it just looks too much to me like we are going down that road, and even earlier than expected.
But you’re right, he didn’t say he definitely wouldn’t. But if that’s not what is being suggested by this context:
“Those wondering what’s going through Chipper Jones‘ head these days vis-à-vis the retirement possibility he mentioned last fall, well, you can stop wondering for the time being.
Unlike during last season’s struggles, Chipper says he isn’t thinking retirement these days. He said he’s not thinking about walking away after the 2010 season.”
But alright, I’ll admit there is room in that language for him to still claim “I’m not saying I won’t retire, I’m just not thinking about it right now.” So I’ll hush about it for now. But more is coming. And by more, I don’t mean more base hits.
I hope we see the same lineup tomorrow with the righty. I think Bobby likes the leadoff platoon of Omar/McOut. I don’t know why but he does. Hinske is the bomb. Our best 3-4-5 combo right now would be Heyward-Glaus-Hinske. They should start batting McCann 6.
Bub – if you remember I got soundly ridiculed by Curtis and Steve for saying that Chipper was not going to retire at the end of this season (not saying I called it – I think we were in agreement there).
God I love seeing Heyward in the 1st inning. Put Infante at the top of the order, keep Hinske in there. Can’t one of those guys play center? Bring in McOuch for defense late in games. Diaz first off the bench. Melky first on the bench. If Bobby somehow keeps this going, then all of a sudden I am only concerned about the starting pitching.
I agree Ham. You can’t justify playing guys who can’t hit .200 over guys who will hit between .280-.300 if played everyday. Heyward should always bat 3rd.
1. Infante 2. Prado 3. Heyward 4. Glaus 5. McCann 6. Chipper 7. Hinske 8. Escobar 9. P
The same dad and little boy have been on the front row two nights in a row. Everytime the camera shows them Dad’s explaining someting and the little boy (3 at the oldest) is listeing intently. So cute!
haha, so does Brooks Conrad. that trio of outfielders are all really bad. Infante should play CF and Hinske LF. I’m not sure there is a position Infante couldn’t play. he’s probably got a better slider than the Hamburglar.
Man, we kicked a decent team all over the field. Best game in a long time. The hits are great, but the defensive performance, particularly from former stick-in-the-mud Glaus, was as different from the recent Braves as can be.
I think I read somewhere today that the Braves haven’t scored on Gallardo since 2007. I assume we will see the same lineup from the Braves with Gallardo being a righty. The Hamburglar is pitching. No way Braves score more than 4, so I’m gonna say we probably lose, 8-4. I think I predicted 4-5 on this road trip.
Cox sounds like he’s coming around to the idea of Infante and Hinske playing everyday. That’s reading a lot into his post-game interview, but both players need to play everyday. The lineup is so much better with Omar leading off and Hinske batting 5,6, or 7. Hiske seems to come through at a much higher rate in RBI situations than any other hitter not named Heyward. It sounds like Heyward is gonna stay in the top of the order. I just think Infante-Prado-Heyward-Glaus-McCann-Jones-Hinske-Escobar is the way to go. Omar could play center.
If he had enough ABs to qualify, Hinske would be second in the league behind Ethier for ABs per RBI. It’s like 3.2. To your point McOut, he produces. He should play 3rd over Conrad while Chipper is out and let Diaz be in there. And I understand why he isn’t, but why isn’t Heyward our cleanup hitter? He is head and shoulders the most dangerous, powerful, productive guy we have.
The Princess and the Ham, God bless your flakey little souls. Gallardo is one nasty hombre. We might get to him for 3 or 4 runs if we bare down, but we’re not going to be the first team to blow him up all year.
You’re better off hoping Lowe only gives up 3 runs against the Brewers’ quiet bats. And any time that’s your best hope… it’s a good day to have a Spanish Tutorial.
lol, I’ve hardly ever, in 5 years of looking at accuscore, the computer program that simulates 10,000 games between daily opponents, seen a baseball score more lopsided than the 61% chance give to the Brewers today.
Doesn’t mean much, except that on paper, we should lose pretty badly.
Voldemort means “Lord of Evil,” according to whatzerface that wrote the books. I guess “mort” can be evil or death.
But I’m pretty sure the first meaning of the latin “mort” is death. In any case, “morte” is Italian for death (which I only know because in the Godfather II, some angry Italian says if for emphasis when he’s asking for somebody to be killed). And “mort” is French for death, too, I think. Thus mortuary, mortality, mortal wounds, etc. Blah blah blah.
You didn’t say anything yet, but since you’re new to the unwritten rules (read: a woman fan), just checking on you. Don’t say _______ has yet to _____ a _____, under any circumstances. Not that it’s likely to continue, but the more jinxless innings, the better.
I’m not saying this happily or anything, but Heyward is going to injure some pitchers and infielders in his career. The speed of the ball of the bat is crazy. Last time I checked, his homer off Zambrano was the leading speed-off-the-bat of the year.
He’s got a .333 BABIP, which I have to think is more because grounders have more giddyup than most players. (MLB BABIPs usually around .300)
He’s gonna break a bone or two. I hope not anybody’s face.
Did Hamburglar pitch today? Hinske and Heyward are the offensive version of Hanson and Hudson. Hasn’t someone mentioned the 4-H Club? They’ve all been good in this series. GO BRAVES! We are about to play a team that got swept by the team we’re sweeping. Two sweeps in a row? You guys need to do more negative shows. I think last week’s show really got the team going. The Hamburglar has been motivated by the new nickname.
Curt needs no encouragement in the world of negativity. They all seem very similar when things are bad. I mean come on even Mary Sunshine couldn’t help but change her name. As things get better you’ll see…Eeyore will emerge. McOut…did you see Brooksy homered?
Tcc, you’d be proud. I took over a peace plant from my mother’s house when her cat was trying to eat it, found it a spot in the apt that gets a little piece of sun during the day… and six months later, it’s lost the one bloom it had when I took it and it has FOUR proud white blooms coming out. Isn’t that a good number for a peace plant? Seems like most of the ones I see have two or three.
Well, what a nice surprise..I had assumed that the game was another 8:10 start. Got off work and went to the local pub to play tunes with my buds. Left there about 8:30 thinking that the game was just underway. Turned on the radio, and No Braves!!! “Huh!?!” (Bub, like the CC miscall video I have watched many times). Got home, the Braves were up 4-2 and it was already the 7th inning!! Confused, but happy, I settled in and saw BC (the younger) hit his 2 run blast! About then, I realized that the game was an early start and I was watching the replay. Deja freaking Vu, dudes and dudesses! It was like a surprise breakfast in bed!
I haven’t had the chance to listen to the new show and now I’m wondering if I should just skip it, as the Bravisto Mens are on a streak and the show is probably full of D and G.
Bub..I guess that’s a Peace Lily and not a Peace Rose. Either way, you are to be commended. Keeping the Peace is always a good thing.
much more fun when we win. as my dad always says, save some runs for next game/series.
Lost – one one level totally lame, agree with you Ham. there’s a pool of gold light and it is….whatever. On another, kind of enjoyed them being creative/risk taking/myth making. Even though the myths and the mysteries were sort of half-baked. Because it was so out there..I have to say I liked it better than last week. The first scene with the….rock…eeeww. gave me the willies.
where were we…I hope KK gets a win soon. I haven’t really been able to watch his full games…does his record reflect/not reflect how well he pitches? Remember our concern that he doesn’t have enough pitch variety…that year 2 he gets figured out. Anybody?
Will – KK looks good some innings and not others. He’s been hanging pitches, fat and over the plate. So location has been an issue for him. He’s also seems too fine at times. Not going after hitters. In other words, inconsistent. We saw it last year, especially in that Hallday game, when he was most aggressive and animated on the mound. Haven’t seen that intensity this year.
Finally listened to the show tonight. It was easier to listen to after the Braves swept the Brewers! Now with AZ coming to town it would be fantastic to win 2/3. I agree that TP should go if only as a statement that “we see a problem and we’re working on it” as opposed to maintaining the status quo. Won’t happen of course because the bats came alive against the Brews. Catch 22. And speaking of lineups, how about JH in the 3rd spot!! Nothing succeeds like success!
Curt, was it you that said you wouldn’t want Eddie Perez as the next mgr? True, he has no MLB experience, though he has been managing in the off season. I just like his personality and think he would continue Bobby’s legacy as a “players” mgr. A guy that would keep the team loose. What issues do you have?
And I’m with Bub. I have come to hate the term ‘player’s coach.’ To me that translates to a team with no discipline. And personally, I want an end to all things Bobby. None of the current coaches, no disciples. Something completely new.
But if there were a coach on the staff I would pick right now, I think I would go with McDowell.
So maybe there’s something to the resolution of “issues” between Braves Mgt and Glavine, with a deal to become Manager? I don’t buy it, but it’s possible. McDowell..I don’t disagree but I don’t see it happening either. Would they go outside the organization?
Tcc, I think you’re asking a very interesting question. For me, Wren’s effectiveness as a GM will largely tilt on this issue. He’s made mostly good decisions. A couple of goofy ones. And even though I took Wren’s side on both the Glavine and Smoltz debacle, I don’t think anyone would argue that he couldn’t be more respectful of players.
But if Wren’s icy nature pays off in an outside hire for manager, some one who will come in and takes charge, I’ll be pretty happy with him. I would like someone both tough and satistic-savvy. Somebody that knows when a player breaks the lefty-righty trends, etc. But I’d settle for stat-savvy OR tough. Just, please don’t give me another manager that’s neither.
And if whoever it is moves Chipper Jones down to 7th in the line up (if he doesn’t improve), Wren will be the GM of the epoch.
I might be wrong, but no way in hell is Glavine the next manager of this team. I don’t see that in any cards anywhere. I’m not sure he wants that job. I’m not sure the team is looking at him.
Needless to say, this will be a massive hire. Deep down I have a fear that the Braves do the easy, careful thing and hire Eddie. To say I would be disappointed with that move would be putting it lightly. He’s not a demonstrative guy. He seems very close with the players and more of a peer than a coach. I don’t want to go from grand dad to buddy buddy.
That dyed blonde lady doing the post game interview with KG; I’m glad to see her there. I wondered, when all these magazine cover women started taking the mic for ESPN, if they’d keep them around when they aged or hire women as unperfect as their men reporters.
I mean, she’s attractive, but more “faded rose” than these bombshells that’ve been flooding the scene. Restores a little faith in humanity, I guess, but I still like the dudes better for the most part when it comes to sports broadcasting and analysis, except for a couple of them that seem as genuinely versed as the guys.
Looking back over it, I’m not sure I was clear. Lemme make sure:
1. I like the unperfect blonde lady because I don’t like the job turning into a sideshow of hot (only) women.
2. I generally like the guys better, especially doing play by play. Men’s voices have an easier time being strong (read: clear, easy to understand during a fast play-call) without being shrill. Between the men and women I see doing sports, the men also do, I’m sorry to say, seem more comfortable and qualified. They navigate the topics better. There are a couple of exceptions. The black lady for – can’t think of which netword – with the raspy voice seems completely on top of it.
I just would like to think that if they’re going to open those jobs up to women, they’d get the voices, brains, and charismas equal to the job, and not just the closest they can come to that from a line-up of models.
Curt, I doubt Glavine would be considered. He did manage a half inning for the Braves, though. Was it ’08? The team was having a hard time scoring and he turned it over to Tommy for a half inning. The Braves scored. Do y’all remember?
Late night post: I would like to see them go outside the organization. Are there clauses that keep them form going after a manager currently under contract somewhere else. If not, then I would go after Joe Maddon. The Rays are about to break up the band due to financial issues, and I think he is unhappy with the level of disinterest in the Rays in Tampa. They have a great team, but the fans don’t act like it. I would also do whatever it takes- offer more money than the Yankees- to sign Carl Crawford. He is a better LF/leadoff option than anyone currently in the Braves organization. IMO, Crawford would be more valuable to the Braves than Werth. If they can’t steal the Ray’s thunder, then I would go after Fredi Gonzalez. The Marlins like Fredi now, but if they finish in last, then he might get canned. No Ned Yost. Please God no Eddie. What about Torre? If things go bad in LA, then he might be looking for new work. I think the Braves are going to have a good pool of candidates to choose from. When you look at the team’s assets- good young players- there’s a lot to appeal to any coach.
I can barely read, as I’ve said before…so I’m not caught up to comments of late – if someone has said this already, I apologize. Just saw that the Diamondbacks are in the midst of a six-game losing streak. We MUST help them keep this streak alive. My new ABT shirt is out and ready to go to the game. Go Braves!!
McOut, as far as I know, if a guy is under contract you can’t go after him, unless that team gives you the go-ahead to speak with him. I think you get into tampering if you approach a guy still under contract.
Carl Crawford would be a great addition to this team, but what is the allure of the Braves right now? My point is that it used to be that simply having the opportunity to play for the Braves was worth several million dollars in and of itself. You knew you were making the playoffs and playing for one of the best teams in baseball. Now, you simply aren’t. Plus, Bobby is retiring, which was another big draw for players. So I think you have guys who now flirt with Atlanta just to squeeze more money out of other teams. See – Tex, Burnett, Damon, Griffey Jr, whoever. They offered Tex a ton of money and he turned it down. Over $100 million. And you end up having to overpay for guys like the nameless one and KK to bring them in.
If the Marlins don’t make a serious push toward the playoffs I think Fredi is gone. They move into their new stadium soon and they will want it to be with a fresh start if he can’t get them rolling. Where has a Bobby Cox disciple proven to be the guy? Jimy Williams, Grady Little, Yost, Gonzalez, all these guys have had some success, but nothing grand enough to make me believe we should go that route. I would love Joe Torre back here. I’ve said it before. There is no doubt that this team has a bright future with all their young talent. They key is finding the guy to harness it all. I just still have the vision of Eddie Perez sitting in the dugout next season with virtually the same coaching staff intact. He would be cheap and easy.
Curt, I agree about the Braves inability to lure big talent to Atlanta. When they used to go far in the postseason, there seemed to always be a big offseason addition. I think they could get Werth or Crwaford because the Yankees won’t sign both. I see them going after Crawford more, though, just because of what he gives a team. I just think with Wags retiring, that number 13 is going to need a new owner next year.
Wren has to outbid the Yankees and the Red Sox for those players, which I don’t know that he’s actually outbid anyone for any of those players we missed out on. He seems to want the opportunity to counter-offer on guys, and it never happens. Let’s be honest, you get an offer from the Braves and it’s decent. Then the Red Sox or Yankees offer you a little more. Who do you sign with? Crawford is a real All-Star, unlike McOut, and you’ve got to throw the big cheese at him. He’s best friends with Sabbathia, which is a BIG reason he probably ends up a Yankee. Werth would be a nice consolation prize, though. I don’t know that the Yankees could add Crawford, Cliff Lee, and Werth in the same offseason given what they already pay for their current roster. If they do, then baseball is completely warped. If the Braves don’t get either Crawford or Werth, then I really question Wren’s effectiveness as a GM. You have to be able to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox in the offseason if you want to face them in the postseason.
The Braves need another OF bat, and two big ones will be in the market next year. The Braves might be a tough sell to those players for Wren, but it’s still a sell he has to make as the GM. I guess it’s pretty obvious that when I watch the Rays I fantasize about Maddon and Crawford wearing Braves uniforms. I guess it’s only in my dreams. It’s amazing what a good coach and leadoff hitter can do for a team.
I do realize Crawford usually bats second for the Ray’s, but I think he would be the leadoff hitter were he on the Braves. Until Schafer actually produces at the Major League level, I don’t believe he can bat leadoff for a playoff team. I understand the kid was hurt last year, but he really has proved nothing at the plate. People seem to be think Schafer is the next big thing, and I just don’t buy it.
Pretty excited to see Celtics vs. Magic rather than LeBron vs Magic. LeBron put up a triple double on the road and the Cavs still couldn’t win. The Celtics and Magic are both really good TEAMS and don’t rely on one player.
we face a righty tonight:
*We almost saw this lineup Tuesday, but guess who was too hurt to play? Let’s see if Bobby still remembers Hinske is on the team after an off-day. If Melky plays Bobby might make this grown man cry.
There was a joke in Chicago when Kerry Wood first came up and was blowing doors that went something like “Kerry Wood, the next great Braves starting pitcher.”. I don’t think people make those jokes and refer to the Braves anymore.
I just thought this would be the year they made a splash. If it comes in 2011, so be it. JUST DO SOMETHING.
Forbes Magazine finds us the 2nd Most Miserable Sports City.
No. 2 Atlanta
Teams: Braves, Falcons, Hawks, Thrashers, Flames
Championship round losses: 5
Semifinal round losses: 9
Total seasons/championships: 147/1
Years since last title: 15
Teams lost: Flames
The Braves have parlayed 11 trips to the National League Championship Series into just one World Series title. And don’t forget the Hawks: 25 playoff teams since 1968 without a single trip to the NBA finals.
Bub, I’m with you on Teheran. I hope they hang on to him and Delgado. Maybe we see Teheran next year?…. Didn’t Hanson end one year at A, then skipped AA to AAA for the start of 2009? Then it was Atlanta by Summer 2009. It will be fun to see how Teheran and Delgado move along. Will they be the 2011 or 2012 version of Hanson/Meds?
What’s going to happen when Escobar is back Saturday? Will Cox keep Hinske and Infante in the lineup? I wouldn’t mind seeing Infante in CF and Hinske staying in LF.
1.Prado 2.Heyward 3.Jones 4.McCann 5.Glaus 6. Hinske 7.Escobar 8. Infante 9.P
Beatrice and Benedick were tricked into confessing unabshed love and affection. Hero was proven to be alive and well (which didn’t piss off Claudio one bit…never seizes to amaze me) and cleared of all slander. Now on to baseball. Thx Curt for the update. Have we looked silly or are we holding up pretty good? I do hate it when we look silly.
Leah, no way Claudio feels pissed in that situation. He slandered and humiliated Hero on her wedding day. And the fake death wasn’t even her idea. What’s he gonna say; how dare you? Add to that the happiness of finding out his dead love lives?? Willie got that one right. Maybe Anne can break the tie, though. Aren’t you a theatre person, Anne.
Speaking of which, sister was in her first college play tonight, and was VERY convincing as Confused Stone #2. Leah, I might shoot you a pic of her in wacky garb. Awesome night.
So I missed the game. Box score tells me I’d have made a pessimistic fool of myself the first few innings, so I guess it’s just as well.
Bub, I would expect you to side with Bill, he’s old and dead, can’t defend himself. But Anne, girl power and whatnot …I’m just saying if I were Claudio I’d be shocked, ecstatic, confused, then livid. I’d get over it but seriously? Poor guy went through a funeral and everything. That’s cold.
Everybody’s wearing masks at the end…what does THAT tell you?
Speaking of masks: creepiest costume @ game last night – a dude with a “Halloween” mask, holding a sign whenever Heyward came to bat: “Fear Jason” Coolest costume: 3-4 guys up where McCann’s Cans usually hang out – but these guys were dressed like geisha from the Mikado especially for Kawakami.
I know Kimbrel only gave up one run, but he had a strike/ball ratio of 2/3. He didn’t look good in Philadelphia either. Is there really no one with control in the minors that can take this kid’s place.
Rodrigo Lopez- Another pitcher I’ve never heard, whom the Braves made look like an ace.
Cox postgame: “Lopez was outstanding tonight. We had some bad breaks. Hit the ball on the nose but right at ‘em.” “Tommy pitched well. We just had some bad luck with some balls dropping in holes.”
Jesse Chavez is awful. The Rays definitely got the better end of that deal. Soriano has been shaky, but he is definitely better than Jesse Chavez. I guess Bobby thought 5-1 was insurmountable. That’s the only reason to explain Kimbrel and Chavez pitching. I’m pretty sure Moylan didn’t pitch last night.
Curt – the illustrious newspaper which i still habitually take since it was the only thing in English 20 years ago when I first came here…and now which we normally line our puppy’s pee area… is the Japan Times.
Page 16, or page 2 of sports says “Hawks fire Woodson”.