July 26, 2010

Show #118: Our Interview with Braves Great, Otis Nixon

Otis discusses missing the ’91 postseason, why there are fewer stolen bases today, The Catch, and much more.



664 Responses to “Show #118: Our Interview with Braves Great, Otis Nixon”

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nice interview. Sounds like a nice fella. Hey, can he start in center field? Sounds like he’s already on a payroll of sorts. He couldnt be worse than McLouth. If Bobby starts mcLouth tomorrow night (Did i mention ill be there? :) I swear I will pay the biggest drunkest guy to run on the field and head butt him giving him another concussion. Curt’s prediction of weeks of scuffling makes me nervous. Our 5 game lead seems very small right now.

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    Steve Says:

    Mara – funny you say that about the 5 game lead. We had that very same conversation last night after recording the show. Enjoy the game tomorrow. Pretty cool that you get to see Strasburg. Looking forward to reading your stuff from the game.

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    Nate Says:

    Hey guys, good show and cool interview. I have to agree with everything that has been said about McLouth. It was fun to watch the Braves in person yesterday. I wish we could have gotten a win, but it’s baseball. Wins are no guarantee. That said, it was very painful to watch our offense- lots of walks and singles, not many runs. I thought we had Volstad’s number after the first few hitters but no such luck. I would love to see us get a power bat, but it’s going to cost us some prospects for sure. The 5 game lead does seem really small, especially with the Phils getting Happ back and pondering an Oswalt deal. I’m worried about Hanson tomorrow night. I don’t think he handles going up against other “studs” very well. He seems to be trying to out-throw the other starting pitcher. I felt that way when he faced Mike Leake and Justin Verlander, and I think he had a similar game in LA against Kershaw or Billingsly. Hopefully he will handle the Strasburg matchup. He will need to hold the Natinals to only a few with the way our offense is going right now. Hopefully we have a good week. The Phils are playing the D’Backs and Nats this week after going for a 4-game sweep of the Rockies today.

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    Nate Says:

    Mara, I wish you luck in DC. Go Braves!

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    Nate Says:

    The out-throw the other starting pitcher is probably something I’ve convinced myself of to forget his release point issues.

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    Nate Says:

    How awesome would it be to see our Manbeast (by this I mean J-Hey) crush their Manbeast (Strasburg)? Does anyone know if the game is on ESPN?

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    Curt Says:

    From Mark Bradley:

    “Put simply, Gregor Blanco is a better center fielder right now than Nate McLouth. Heck, Henry Blanco might be a better center fielder than Nate McLouth. And Henry Blanco is a catcher.”

    Article here: http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2010/07/26/his-name-is-nate-mclouth-as-in-get-him-outta-here/?cxntfid=blogs_mark_bradley_blog

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    Steve Says:

    Re Curt’s #7: Because of Bobby’s lineups the last few years (see Frenchy, see KJ, see Greg Norton as two very recent examples) I’m initially conditioned to believe he’ll do something crazy such as NOT sit McLouth. But when I look at his actions this year (all the lineup shuffling in particular) I think that Bobby’s had enough of Nate. I don’t hold out tremendous hope for a big bat by the end of the week, but I’m 99% confident that we see mostly Melky/Blanco in CF for the remainder of the year. I feel much better about this prediction if Melky is starting in CF Tuesday night against the Nats.

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    Nate Says:

    I’ve been digging through the internet for trade rumors. Nothing that appealing out there. Steve, I’m losing hope on a big bat, too, especially if Wren is reluctant to give up prospects. I can’t say I blame him. It’s almost like whatever we do this year is gravy, and that Wren is really trying to build up talent in the organization for a better shot in 2011, 2012, and so on. I’m also starting to wonder if the Phils can get Oswalt without giving up prospects that they are supposedly not going to give up. The Cards don’t appear to be able to offer a legit package of prospects for Oswalt either. This year could be a very uneventful trade deadline.

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    Nate Says:

    This from Talking Chop:
    Stat of the Series, Part 2
    Jason Heyward reached base as many times in this series (12 times in 16 PA) as Nate McLouth has since May 23rd. In 21 games and 66 PA for McLouth in that time, he has 6 hits, 5 walks, and 1 hit-by-pitch. That’s good for a .102 / .185 / .119 line.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Phillies sweep Rockies…4 1/2 in the review mirror. My Friend, the Phillies fan, is giving me grief. Tell me this dream of a season won’t end up a nightmare.

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    Curt Says:

    The biggest problem, I see, is that you gave some teams reason for optimism. Doubtful that the Phils weren’t going to be players, but maybe now the Mets and Marlins believe they are in it too. So instead of dumping players and tanking for the rest of the season they hold onto guys and maybe even pick players up. This makes your life much more difficult down the road when you have to play them 100 times before the end of the season. If you win just 2 of the 3 games you blew last week, the Mets and Marlins are cashing out right now. Now the Marlins are only like 5.5 out of the WC. You gave them life, and incentive.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Dammit Curt…now I’m really worried.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Curt, to me, keeping other teams from cashing out is a good thing. As you say, the Phillies weren’t going to anyway. The Phillies have to play the Mets and Marlins a bunch of times, too. So giving those teams life and incentive hurts our competition as much as it hurts us.

    Meanwhile, if the Braves do hold on and take the division, they’ll have managed to do so while making those non-cashing-out teams a little weaker for the future as their most sellable players lose trade value. They’ll have stayed in it for nothing.

    If the Braves, as constituted, can’t hold off the Marlins and Mets as constituted, then May and June were an illusion anyway. Besides, a sell-off is sometimes the catalyst for a weird hot streak, so it wouldn’t be a guarantee those teams would go away.

    Maybe the Braves lost the Cody Ross trade, though, from letting the Marlins stay in.

    I hope Wren will stiffen up and, in spite of the shrinking 4.5 game lead, refuse to part with key prospects. This team’s only chance at a prolonged winning window is holding onto cheap talent. Hanson’s switch to Scott Boras is a reminder of what we are up against. When JJ and Tommy roll out of town in 2014 and 2015, we need two of Minor, Teheran, Vizcaino, and Delgado to be entering their sophomore years or so. That’s a lot to hope for even if we hold onto all four. Losing one or two of them would almost guarantee major rotation depletion.

    Braves just have to weather a storm. We knew there’d be one. They are a good team. Good enough, in my mind to lose their entire lead and still come back and win the division.

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    Mara Wanna Says:


    I’ve started not to care who plays CF as long as his name isn’t “I Suck”.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    p.s. I believe the most ballsy, yet practical move, is to call up Frederick Freeman to spell Glaus’s legs 2-3 days a week.

    They’ll never do it, though. And maybe it’s not proper to interupt his every-game seasoning to do that. But I think it would provide a big mental spark.

    And Glaus really needs the break. If not Freeman, maybe time for some Hinske games at 1b if Matty can handle RHP at all. (So that Hinske isn’t needed for LF).

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bin, I like the Hinske at 1st bit and I’m kinda inclined just to platoon Melky and Blanco. I really like our team minus McOut and Troy’s tired legs. Who needs Hart and we already have a Ross thank you very much.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Hahahahaha…Bub, I guess you’ve “bin” gone too long. I forgot your name.

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    Nate Says:

    Bub, I love the Freeman idea. Glaus looks like he could use some time off. Who knows, with some rest he might start hitting like it’s May again. Hinske at first isn’t a bad idea, especially considering Wren signed him so he could play 1st every once in a while. Put Omar in LF to hit the righties.

    We’re watching the Rays game, and Jimmy Leyland just got ejected. It takes that guy all of 5 seconds talking to an ump to get tossed, and he’s usually right. I think he was comparing this umpire to fertilizer.

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    Curt Says:

    Bub, I like the point. We only play the Phils 6 more times, so it certainly won’t hurt to have teams giving them their best. And, as we know, often times at the ends of seasons, the most dangerous teams are the ones with nothing to play with. They’re loose and throwing it all out there. Teams often get tight when they have a lot on the line.

    I’ll be curious to see what kinds of moves get made. Sounds like the Phils are not getting Oswalt. He’s a country boy and really doesn’t to play for them. And the Cards can’t get a deal together. Thinking now is that he pulls a Halladay and forces a trade to the team of his choosing in the off season.

    I repeat that I don’t want the Braves making some knee jerk trade that loses a big piece and gets nothing in return. But it seems there are some guys who can be had for some minor items. Maybe Clint Sammons has some value. Diory is having a nice season.

    What about Prado at 1st? Infante at 2nd or Conrad? Just to spell Glaus in some games.

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    Curt Says:

    Bringing Blanco back up means sending someone down, so who’s going? They will never send Nate down. Maybe Blanco comes back up when Venters serves his suspension.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Why? Why not send Nate down? I swear I don’t get this game.

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    Curt Says:

    They just won’t. I would imagine that McLouth does not have a split contract where he was getting paid less to be in Gwinnett. Blanco most likely does. In the majors he makes the minimum. In the minors he makes 60k. McLouth is collecting his millions wherever he plays.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I hate money.

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    Nate Says:

    Matt Garza threw a no-no for the Rays tonight. Pretty Cool. Isn’t that like the 5th this year?

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    Nate Says:

    Curt, to answer a question you asked a few days ago, Luke Scott has started 14 games in LF. He hit another HR tonight while going 2-4. He’s playing above his career numbers, but he could be one of those guys that wouldn’t take a bunch of frontline pitching prospects to get. The cons on Scott are that he obviously wouldn’t be playing CF and he doesn’t solve the right-handed power bat issue.

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    Curt Says:

    I’m seeing more stuff about moving Heyward to center if need be. Not ideal, but getting the best guys out there, and as you say, if they can’t find a CF, they could pick up a corner outfielder and make do.

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    Ham Says:

    For some reason, stupid or not, every time I think of the Kid in center, I get worried about him injuring himself. I don’t know why, completely unfounded, but I feel it all the same. I say put McLouth in single A ball, eat the money, and bring Blanco back into the mix. Bobby’s instincts about who to play and when have been pretty good this year. Between all of our bench stars, I think we can make do. I don’t see any substantial upgrades for what we would have to give up.

    UNLESS . . . we take advantage of Frank McCourt’s upcoming divorce settlement and steal someone from the Dodgers. Kemp? Ethier? If we were willing to take on some contracts, I think we might could make something work. Would you give up Medlen and someone from the farm plus picks to get one of those guys? I might.

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    Nate Says:

    Man, when are the Braves gonna move Willie Cabrera up to AAA? I think he’s proven he can hit in AA.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Per mother blogger

    Venters’ hearing set for 2 p.m. today at Nats park. Normally takes 2-3 days for result but Wren told Jeff Schultz he expects one tomorrow

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    Curt Says:

    Ham, dodgers would not move Kemp or Loney to pick up Oswalt, so not sure they would make the deal for Medlen, et al.

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    Ham Says:

    Curtis – I know, I know . . . but I have a feeling that the Dodgers are going to have to do something at the trade deadline, or McCourt is going to end up with a very expensive team, one that he can’t afford. It should be interesting what happens, but I bet the unload some contracts in the next week. Maybe he is going to sell the team. Who knows?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    D. Ross for 2 more years. Me likey.

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    Nate Says:

    Mara, pure awesomeness.

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    Curt Says:

    Mara Wanna backup catcher

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mara also Wanna today’s lineup.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I would like to see them aquire Jose Bautista from the Blue Jays.

    He plays OF and 3B, which could help us in the long run should Chipper decide to call it a career (as I don’t believe we have much behind him in the minors…).

    Can help this year (OF w/ pop – have to move Jay Hey to center – not my favorite thing, but do-able) and could play 3B in the future as well as long term this year should Chipper go down this year for an extended period of time.

    I think it is worth a couple of good minor league prospects…

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    Wade Says:

    Haven’t finished listening to the entire show, but my favorite part of the lead-in to Otis was Hammy admitting that most folks would be surprised to know that he didn’t pitch in the majors. I almost swerved off the road. Good stuff.

    As for the McClouth situation, I think we should count that $$ as a sunk cost and move him to AA, or single A Rome. Since everyone is taking Curt’s points and reversing them- -him making tons of money whether is in Atlanta or elsewhere– then make him go REALLY elsewhere- -like Myrtle Beach or Rome. maybe then at least he can hit that pitching, build some confidence– maybe make AAA by season’s end- -and possibly even the 60 man in September. Then trade him or just pay him to leave in the offseason.

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    Wade Says:

    Oops. I only read to the bottom of page 1 of the comments, then posted this. Didn’t see that Ham had the same thought as me.

    But since we have agreement- -McClouth to A ball! Hooray.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    I’m just ready to get back to winning baseball. I believe in the team just like it is now. That is, I believe they’re a winning regular season team with a shot at a round or two in the playoffs.

    It brings me to a question: have we all zipped right past Happy-To-Sniff-Playoffs Land and begun to hinge our happiness on a deep run? I’m just curious. (I did predict at the beginning of the year we would meet the Twins in the WS, but we were kidding, right? Right?)

    I’m still of the opinion that the Braves are on a slow, guided upturn designed to taste some playoffs in 2010 and open a window that lasts until 2015 and beyond.

    (Consider, for a moment, 2013, with all of – or many of, depending on minor league outcomes – these talents on the field and not a single one of them making free agent dollars:

    Hanson, Jurrjens, Minor, Melden, Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Venters, McCann/Ross, Freeman, Heyward, and Prado. Our entire starting staff, our closer, and three of our top 5 in the line-up without spending one free agent cent. Who can boast that, with this much quality? That’s three 2010 Allstars, 3 ROY candidates, and 3 current top 50 prospects.

    Now subtract salaries for Lowe, Chipper, McLouth, and Kawakami, and Wagner.

    That’s almost 50 million dollars we have sunk in what can be replaced, production wise, by Venters and his four grandparents. So… look for 2013, McCann’s last year on this current contract, to be the master blaster year. The grandaddy peak of the window. Not that it should end there, but we should be deep, deep in the scene by then…

    back to regularly scheduled post)

    [pauses for Curt to say we won’t spend the money we save to get anything good]

    *clears throat*

    Okay, so… I’m still in the happy-to-be-here mode. Remember when it was what we were going to do “when the Braves make the playoffs?”

    I’m still there. Am I alone? I want this team to continue the strategy of the slow burn. I don’t think the Braves, on paper, could construct a team destined to win it all if they traded ALL FOUR premium minor league pitchers. Short of Yankeeland Monopoly Money, I don’t think anybody can sell out their farm completely and have a team that, on paper, wins the World Series. Short of that, they all have a chance to win 11 of 19 in the post and take the crown. Atlanta included.

    So my fingers are crossed that the July 31 comes and goes without a major acquisition from either the Braves, the Mets, or the Phillies. And by major, I mean Roy Oswalt. With Haren and Lee off the market, nobody else scares me.

    Go Braves. To the PLAYOFFS. (am I alone, really?)

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Braves just optioned struggling Nate McLouth to Gwinnett and activated Brent Clevlen from the DL

    A dream is a wish your heart makes…

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    Bub Selig Says:

    *sorry, Ross isn’t guaranteed for 2013, and also he IS a free agent. The rest of the list is right.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Marra, seriously??? That’s great.

    …. Clevlen? How did he avoid playing for the Indians?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Not alone Mr. Alicious. Especially with Nate gone and Blanco back in a few days. I’d feel slot better if Billy would close a game in Sandman fashion and Troy would hit a homer.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Haha re: clevlen. Per mother blogger tis true!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Actually, I’m not that surprised with Wren being a faithful ABTer and all.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    One last note: I think there is a 50% chance or better that Nate McLouth will be our opening day CF in 2011, and that he’ll be good. This was the move I was waiting for. He needs to get away from 2010 and stay away. For his own good. But a slow recovery to a .260, 20HR, average defense guy for next year wouldn’t surpise me at all.

    NOW I’m alone. 8)

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    We have to win tonight! Bub, I need space from Nate before discussing next year.

    Braves just optioned struggling Nate McLouth to Gwinnett and activated Brent Clevlen from the DL

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Not completely alone. I can see him improving, playing in a place where he can work on getting that uppercut out of his swing where it doesn’t impact a pennant race (read: without the pressure to perform).

    However, I do wonder about your timetable. I think Nate is going to be working with the thought “if I improve in time, I can get back on the team” which just puts that much MORE pressure on the situation. So, unfortunately, I see him accomplishing nothing this year towards 2011, additionally, if he doesn’t play winter ball, I don’t see him being in a position to start the season (isn’t he a notoriously slow starter?)…

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    Nate Says:

    I hope Chavez is next.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Amen, Nate.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Mark, I was picturing Nate winning the job in Spring Training. Glad you brought up Winter Ball. The Braves organization is impressed with slumpers go to winter ball. I’ve heard of them basing a decision or two on it. If Nate slumps in Gwinnett and doesn’t go to Arizona in the winter, I think his chances of winning the job in Spring go down.

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    Nate Says:

    Tonight’s Lineup
    Prado, Heyward, Chipper, Mac, Hinske, Glaus, Gonzo, Cabrera, Hanson

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    Steve Says:

    Lots of interesting data points today. #1: FW not being scared of burying money by sending McLouth down (just like putting KK in the bullpen). #2: Somewhat less significant, but still good to see Bobby dropping Glaus to 6 tonight. Again, very un-Bobby like.

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    Curt Says:

    Bub, perhaps the most important factor you left off in the 2013 WS run is that there might very well be a new owner who surrounds all those guys with some veteran pieces to make that an even more impressive lineup. A man who is willing to be the face of a franchise and spend some extra dollars to close some of those gaps that Liberty Media refuses to address. We’ll leave his name Blank for now.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Steve, I thought the same thing on both counts. Especially #1: between Kawakami and McLouth, we have 10+ million dollars on the bench and in Gwinnett.

    And #2 carries the same message: produce on this team or risk losing your place.

    I honestly think the Francoeur and Kelly Johnson outcomes have guided the Escobar, McLouth, and Kawakami decisions. Maybe old dogs can be taught new tricks after all.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Huddy just signed my kid’s ball!!!! Shaking!

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Curt, new ownership would be serious party time. Do you think the Blank possibility (great pun) is real?

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    Bub Selig Says:

    That’s awesome, Mara. Is your kid an Auburn fan, too?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Diaz crushing it during BP.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Why is my print so tiny? Bub, the “war eagle” cry may have been part of pulling him away from the throngs and his zoning in on my adorable child. I have video. Nationals park=great view even from nose bleed seats.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Huh..now my print is normal again. My iPhone must be adjusting to the change in altitude.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    lol, Lemke busting out the “he shall be Livan” Elton John reference on the pregame, talking about Livan Hernandez. His play-by-play is death, but I like him on the pregame.

    Now, if Mazzone would just have a… voice injury.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Meadow’s fraternizing with the enemy. What kinda degree to you have to have to be the person who helps players stretch?

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    Bub Selig Says:

    A masters degree in I’ve-Never-Met-Chipper-Jones.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Law and Order theme song playing as Ump staff is introduced. That’s just clever.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Strasburg SCRATCHED!!! 39 year old replacement.


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    Anne Says:

    #60 – “Mara” – why do you hate me.
    I JUST turned on the TV – why Strasburg scratched? Wait – I’ll guess: for Nats ticket sales.

  69. 69
    Anne Says:

    “Mara” you don’t really hate me, I know. Where are you sittin’ in the park?

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    Curt Says:

    So Leah, any Hooters experience and you are out

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Ridiculous run. But I’m glad the runner’s off the paths. Tommy needs a good outing today like nobody’s business.

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    Anne Says:

    Why do the fellas perform so awfully awfully when we see the Nats? There is no answer…

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    Bub Selig Says:

    So, I guess, one of these days, Tommy Hanson will dominate somebody.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Maybe Tommy needs to pitch two innings of a simultated game before each start.

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    Anne Says:

    Bub, by “simulated,” do you mean like on his X-Box?

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Boy, the team came to play today, didn’t they?

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    Anne Says:

    Hey, look…Family Guy reruns on TBS. Sounds good to me…

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    Bub Selig Says:

    I am mystified at this Tommy Hanson business. Except for the fat pitch to Pudge, Tommy his pitching on the edges and corners, and batters are, once again, just reaching out and spanking those edge pitches like it’s no big deal.

    I’ve never seen a pitcher get crushed on the edges and corners like Tommy Hanson does in 2010.

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    Nate Says:

    I can’t remember a Hanson start where he wasn’t over 40 pitches after 2. He is in love with his fastball…

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    Bub Selig Says:

    All of MLB is in love with his fastball.

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    Nate Says:

    It could be that teams know he has trouble locating pitches other than his fastball, so they just sit on that pitch and do with it what they can.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    See, he needs to pitch two simulated innings. I’m telling you. Am I the only one who notices this? 2nd inning trouble almost every game.

    To be sure, I just looked it up. His ERA in the 2nd inning this year? 10.07, wow.

    There’s no other inning like that. Just… odd.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Man, this is as frustrating a game as game one in Florida. Getting owned by a 4.5 ERA reliever into his 85th pitch after not even knowing he was going to start.

    And erroring in two runs.

    On the bright side, Tommy’s looking good now. And only one run was earned off him, so he could conceivable work his ERA down into the three’s tonight.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Ugh. I hate this game. So far.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    *raises laptop above head*


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    Bub Selig Says:


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    Curt Says:

    To change subjects, Bub, you asked about Arthur Blank owning the Braves. It is well known that Blank’s true love is baseball and his first choice in franchises was the Braves, not the Falcons. He bought the Falcons because they were for sale at the time. It is also true that Blank put together a substantial offer to buy the Braves when Time Warner put them on the market, but the Liberty Media deal was an asset swap that saved both companies tons of money. Interviews with Blank at the time really conveyed his disappointment. So, given all that, I would assume that if he has the money, he would certainly be a player. There used to be rules in the NFL that if you owned one of their teams, you could not own any other sports franchise. But given his attempts to buy the Braves before, I assume those rules are no longer in place.

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    Curt Says:

    Just an awful game. 3.5 lead

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – very, very clever link. I really love that song, by the way. It doesn’t get the love it should like other songs in the S & G canon.

    And yes, this game has been much misery. Maybe the team decided to pretend to be offensively challenged to force Wren’s hand this week and bring in another bat.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    What a terrible disappointment. Not proud of the Atlanta Braves tonight. They ought to be ashamed of that performance. No way to be sure, but it sure looks like they took a day off. They’ll be lucky to leave Cincy in first place if they don’t turn around immediately. Been a while since I pulled out the D word, but I think it applies:


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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mara doesn’t Wanna talk about it.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Curt, that sounds great. Get on it, Mr. Blank. (If my last name was Blank, my head would explode with pun possibilities. A son named Henry… just for starters…)

    Steve, agreed on S&G’s ACSW. My first song on guitar. (Not that I could do that fingerpicking… at all.)

    Two things about today’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad game:

    Tommy Hanson and Jonny Venters.

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    Ham Says:

    I was going to save this for a show, but here goes – I actually think that Hanson is frustrated with high pitch counts in the early innings and not going late into the game, so he is overly aggressive at throwing strikes early on in an attempt to get quicker outs. I think other batters know this, so they come up looking for strikes. I think that he settles down after a while, but the temptation might be hard to resist. I don’t know if I buy the release point issues – I think that he throws too many strikes and is too aggressive, it doesn’t seem like a control issue.

    I could be completely wrong, of course. Just like Steve was about Prado.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    “I could be completely wrong, of course. Just like Steve was about Prado.”

    hahahaha. That’s great.

    I agree, Ham. It reminds me of the way the Braves pressured Chuck James to get later into games, and instead of having a two-pitch lefty that was good for 6 innings, we suddenly had a no-pitch lefty that was good for no innings.

    Sometimes a pitcher just is what he is. If Tommy can be an ace for 5-6 innings per game every five days until he’s been in the league a few years, let the guy adjust slowly, says I.

    Having a full time LF or CF would certainly help in this department, as it would provide an extra reliever to the roster.

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    Bub Selig Says:

    Hanson’s ERA: 3.99

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    Nate Says:

    This is what Philly did around this time last year. That team just goes on stretches where they don’t lose. The Braves need to get their act together quickly.

  97. 97
    Nate Says:

    If Strasburg had pitched tonight Mara might have seen a no hitter in person.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Just saw Huddy on the subway. I know how that sounds but it’s true. We yelled War Eagle he waved. He looked sad. I know how he feels. I feel like our fun is over.

  99. 99
    Steve Says:

    Mara – Hudson was just riding on the subway? Were there other Braves with him? More details. please.

  100. 100
    Bub Selig Says:

    Nice going, Mara. The poor guy’s ballteam squanders half their lead in a week and then you go and remind him that his football team is… Auburn. That’s low.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I know weird huh? He was with his family. Had he been with other players I would have demanded a photo op. Bub, our common battle cry put twinkle in his eye. In other news my phone keeps trying to change Bub to Bin.
    Oh and Anne, we were in section 319. Not the top layer but one below it.they weren’t bad actually. Could see all the goings on…unfortunately.

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    O'mara Bin LOLin' Says:

    Just don’t call me late to dinner.

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    Curt Says:

    Some of the ‘heroes’ the Braves have created in this past week:

    Scott Hairtston – Padres OF Scott Hairston has been struggling recently and was not in the starting lineup on Tuesday against the Dodgers. Hairston has gone just 5 for 25 (.200) over his last seven games with a homer and four RBI. He’s only scored one run over that span and has an on-base percentage of .259.

    Nick Hundley – 5 of last 24 (.208) with 5 RBI

    Everth Cabrera – 4 of last 21 (.191) with 4 RBI

    Donnie Murphy – 9 ABs on the season

    Bryan Petersen – .095 AVG, 2 RBI (both against Braves)

    Chris Volstad – 4-8, 4.76 ERA: Marlins SP Chris Volstad lasted six innings in his first major league start since being demoted to Triple-A New Orleans on July 6. He was recalled to start against Atlanta on Sunday, as he replaced Nate Robertson in the Florida rotation. Despite throwing just 56 out of 98 pitches for strikes and inducing only six ground ball outs, Volstad limited the Braves to three runs on five hits, though four of those hits, including a solo home run by Eric Hinske, were for extra bases. He struck out three batters, but also walked three, and he did not figure into the decision.

    Brad Davis – Marlins catcher Brad Davis, making only his second major league start, had his first two big league hits and his first RBI. He also threw out Matt Diaz trying to steal second to end the ninth.

    Wes *$&^*# Helms – #(*&%(*$%&(@*&($

    Miguel Batista – 1-2, 4.09 ERA: Batista (1-2) hadn’t started a major league game since Aug. 25, 2008, for Seattle, and he didn’t know he would be taking the mound until minutes before the scheduled first pitch.

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    Wade Says:

    Please, someone tell me this is reverseable. How did we go from April (yuck, throw up) to may and june (hooray, sit and spin mets and phils), to back to April in late July?

    A team can’t be this schizo and expect to win the NL east, or the Wildcard. Will McClouth actually getting out of the dugout be the thing that turns this around? He’s like the scapegoat they threw off a ship in order to rid the rest of the bad vibes.

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    O'mara Bin LOLin' Says:

    Okay, I am Bub, hear me waffle.

    Trade Medlen and Dunn for Willingham, call up Minor. Washington wants a pitcher.

    We need pop. Seasoning Minor for 2011 is a bonus if we don’t make it, and Medlen is an innings-pitched risk.

    Do it. It frees Hinske up to play 1B as much as often as needed, and puts a real bat in the 4/5 with McCann.

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    Nate Says:

    Curt, you could also throw Randy Wolf on that list. After he mastered the Braves he was torched by the Pirates. Wade, I think Yunel deserves the scapegoat award. Hey, at least the team chemistry is good.

  107. 107
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Troy needs a rest some which way or other. Steve, because I know you’re wondering, Huddy was wearing a light blue cotton button up tucked neatly in his very starched kakis and snazzy puma tennis shoes.

  108. 108
    Curt Says:

    Leah – this is a good piece that might make you feel a little better.


  109. 109
    Nate Says:

    They should put Hinske at first and give Omar a start in LF tonight. Shake it up.

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    Nate Says:

    Omar is batting .362 with 2 HR and 21 RBI in 138 ABs against righties.
    Glaus is batting .249 with 9 HR and 41 RBI in 235 AB against righties.

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    Nate Says:

    A Glaus/Hinske platoon for a bit would probably help Glaus’s numbers and longevity. A Diaz/Omar platoon would be nice.

  112. 112
    Nate Says:

    Batting Order:

    To me, this is the best way for the Braves to go with what they got.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Does Eeyore buy into that article? If so I feel a lot better. If not, then I just feel a little bit better.

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    Nate Says:

    I wish there was a stat for the Braves record when Omar is starts… Bub… hint, hint. Please…

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    Nate Says:

    *is starts. I think I’ll have some more coffee.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nice job for Mr. Alicious.

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    Curt Says:

    Leah, I buy into it as much as my inner core will allow me. We certainly knew the Braves were going to hit a valley. We also knew the Phils would make a run. I just get panicky about how we are losing. You are going to lose games, but to blow three games you could have/should have won, and then to lay an egg last night when Strausburg doesn’t even start, it’s tough. And the Phils have won 7 in a row? So it’s easy to gain ground on a streak like that.

    The Braves are very good. They just need to get this stretch over with and win some games. The pitching is still there. They need the hits. And as much as we dump on him, McLouth most likely has a number of friends in the clubhouse, so maybe that shook the team up last night. Who knows? Just win the next 2 and take 2 of 3 from the Reds and all is well. i think they have 6 road games in august.

  118. 118
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I will say it again: Aquire Jose Bautista from the Blue Jays.

    –We need POP in our line-up (JB hit is 29 & 30th HR) and have an outfield spot open
    –We need someone to take Troy’s place at the five hole
    –In future considerations, JB can play 3B – a place where we have no one in the minors of consequence (Conrad not withstanding) to replace Chipper… If Conrad shows in the future he can handle the job full time, keep JB in the OF…
    — A 5 to 7 million dollar estimated salary from arbritation for next year (if we don’t sign him to a deal) seems rather reasonable for the production

    It doesn’t seem like a “panic move” to me, it is shoring up a weakness in your team – now and for the future…

  119. 119
    Curt Says:

    Mark, I know he is hitting a ton of homers, but aren’t you kind of worried about another high strikeout, low BA guy on this team? He’s got 76 Ks and is batting right around .250. We seem to be pregnant with guys like that.

    it would also help if Gonzalez would start hitting some homers for the Braves.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Victorino on the DL.

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    Nate Says:

    Is Howard on the DL?

  122. 122
    Ham Says:

    You guys see this? From ESPN Trade Deadline Live: “One interesting development: Nate McLouth was just days from accumulating five years of service time when the Braves abruptly sent him to the minor leagues Tuesday.”

    It never ceases to amaze me all of the factors that go into these decisions (that don’t involve putting the best team on the field every day).

  123. 123
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    “when the Braves abruptly sent him to the minor leagues”

    “Abruptly”??? Really???? Change it to “long over duely” or “finally”…

  124. 124
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Isn’t it about time for our annual aquisition of Adam LaRoche?

  125. 125
    Ham Says:

    A little more info from Wikipedia:

    Veterans’ consent

    If a player has 5 years of major-league service, he may not be assigned to a minor-league team without his consent, regardless of whether he has already been outrighted once, even if he clears waivers. If the player withholds consent, the team must either release him or keep him on the major league roster. In either case, the player must continue to be paid under the terms of his contract. If he is released and signs with a new team, his previous team must pay the difference in salary between the two contracts if the previous contract called for a greater salary.

  126. 126
    Steve Says:

    Re #122; Of course, in this case, it absolutely was for the betterment of the team.

    Bub, I’d rather do Minor and Dunn for Willingham. Maybe you don’t think they’ll accept a non-MLB starter?

  127. 127
    Mara Wanna Says:

    No rest for the weary…

    Braves lineup: 1. Prado 2B 2. Heyward RF 3. Jones 3B 4. McCann C 5. Hinske LF 6. Glaus 1B 7. Gonzalez SS, 8. Cabrera CF 9. Hudson P

  128. 128
    Anne Says:

    M in M – #124 = hilarious!!

  129. 129
    Steve Says:

    Willingham is not suiting up for tonight’s game …

  130. 130
    Anne Says:

    Fellas – I finally listened to this week’s show. I have so many offline comments…I’ll make them offline.

    I have a good feeling about tonight’s game. …and by “good” I mean: I predict a win.

  131. 131
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Steve, what does that mean? Forgive the chick question.

  132. 132
    Anne Says:

    Girl guess: They’re trading him…or he’s injured or otherwise not playing tonight.

  133. 133
    Curt Says:

    I haven’t read that he’s hurt. Might be getting moved.

  134. 134
    Curt Says:

    FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal says the Phillies have the general parameters of a deal agreed to for Roy Oswalt. The only problem? Philadelphia is not sure it wants to do the deal. The farm system would be even more depleted, as prospects along with J.A. Happ would be sent off to Houston. In addition, Philly has one of the largest payrolls in the game and that’s not changing anytime soon. Oswalt would add to that, especially with a 2012 option for $16 million that the righty wants picked up.

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    O'mara Bin LOLin' Says:

    I count 25-19 as the Braves record when Omar Infante starts. I thought it would be higher.

  136. 136
    Bubdylan Says:

    Augh, stupid leftover lame name.

  137. 137
    Nate Says:

    Bub, wow. I thought it would have been higher, too. Thanks for doing it.

  138. 138
    Bubdylan Says:

    Willingham jammed his ankle on a base steal, reportedly. So, probably nothing there. :(

  139. 139
    Nate Says:

    I’ve got the Elton John song “Levon” stuck in my head.

  140. 140
    Nate Says:

    A RUN! Aw, Thanks Grandpa!

  141. 141
    Nate Says:

    Manbeast awareness.

  142. 142
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bub, I liked your name but I guess the baseball gods didn’t agree so I’m glad you changed it back. Anne, I got home from our summer long excursion and found one fantastic piece of mail. Thanks a billion trillion!

    Did you guys hear about this?

  143. 143
    Bubdylan Says:

    Yuck. Rookie Dominic Brown belts an RBI double for his first major league at bat, giving hte Phils an early lead. We’ll be very lucky if his promotion doesn’t spark a big run for the Phightin’s.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    In funnier news, Santana got out of a bases loaded, 2 out jam with Pujols at the plate in the first inning… after giving up 6 runs.

  145. 145
    Anne Says:

    “Mara” – happy to hear you got mail!!

  146. 146
    Bubdylan Says:

    Jeff Francoeur just walked on 4 pitches. WHAT is going on?

  147. 147
    Mara Wanna Says:

    You know Frenchy homered last night. The world has gone topsy turvey!

  148. 148
    Anne Says:

    Didn’t he start to do well just before we traded him? I might be remembering that incorrectly…

  149. 149
    Bubdylan Says:

    Prado + Heward = offense.

  150. 150
    Bubdylan Says:

    *or Heyward.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Anne, you’re right. I specifically remember us being bummed when he hit two doubles in one game.

  152. 152
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Huddy can’t be hurt…right? I think he struggled that last inning because he noticed his “subway fan club” isn’t in attendance tonight.

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    Curt Says:

    So we didn’t trade For Willingham?

  154. 154
    Mara Wanna Says:

    haha…the Nationals just wouldn’t make the straight up trade McLouth/Willingham. I don’t get it.

  155. 155
    Ham Says:

    Anne – Offline comments? You planning on coming to Boston soon or something? Do tell – feed the ego.

  156. 156
    Bubdylan Says:


    Score, dangit.

  157. 157
    Steve Says:

    Don’t tell anyone, but I’m secretly hoping that FW has some trade up his sleeve that is not only awesome and impactful, but that no one has considered.

  158. 158
    Bubdylan Says:

    *pat’s Steve on the top of the head*

    Isn’t he cute?

  159. 159
    Bubdylan Says:

    *pats, not pat’s…

  160. 160
    Mara Wanna Says:

    lol at Bub. Me too Steve! Somebody fantastic!

  161. 161
    Bubdylan Says:

    Alex Gonazalez in a miserable patch. *peeks at Escobar’s 0-4 day* Whew.

  162. 162
    Bubdylan Says:

    Melky grows on me.

  163. 163
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Look at little Melky getting a two bagger!

  164. 164
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Everybody’s getting hurt. Now Jason Bay? Be very careful Bravos!

  165. 165
    Bubdylan Says:

    Now, I’ve seen Bobby leave Hudson in too long at least 4 times this year in later innings just because his pitch count is low. I’ll be holding my breath. Hopefully Huddy turns the corner, stamina wise, and pitches a great 8th and *gulp* possibly 9th inning here.

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    Steve Says:

    Our chance to watch Wagner closely may be coming up tonight.

  167. 167
    Bubdylan Says:

    Oh, great, LHP Scott Olsen tomorrow instead of the terrible pitcher they had scheduled. That’s doubly bad because it’ll put the yucko pitcher in the Philly series.


  168. 168
    Bubdylan Says:

    K, Bobby, waste no time.

    Whew, thanks.

  169. 169
    Mara Wanna Says:

    No fair! We have to win tonight…nervous about Billy. I guess I’m gun shy.

  170. 170
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I hate it when Powell says things like “no one’s ever hit a homerun off of him.” AHHHHHHH! Does he know nothing of the baseball gods?

  171. 171
    Curt Says:

    Leah, bad news. Lots of trade talk involving your boy Cantu

  172. 172
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Oh Jonny…I may love you.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Just as long as he doesn’t come to Atlanta. I seriously would struggle watching 3rd base in any capacity. Poor guy.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    1.07 ERA for Jonny Venters. Where did this kid come from? How where they hitting that 94MPH sinker in the minor leagues???

  175. 175
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Any chance Bobby will let Venters close?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Mets have come storming back. It’s up to Jeff Francoeur…

  177. 177
    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, French made an out, but it wasn’t a DP. Not good enough, baseball gods. Not good enough…

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    very nervous…come on Wags…make me feel better!

  179. 179
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Don and Jim have been affected by the heat and/or altitude. Enough about pruntinis. They sound worse than mexidogs.

  180. 180
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mets tied it up.

  181. 181
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Deep breath everyone. 3 1/2 lead intact.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Don and Jim are having a rough year. They’re pruntinis and they’re nosethumbing at sabermetrics (they’re right, but they’re doing it wrong…) and so forth are getting out of hand. And complete homerism. Not to mention they get so involved in their “philosophy talk” that they miss counts all the time. Call the game, yo.

  183. 183
    Bubdylan Says:

    YIKES!!! Change BOTH “they’res” to “their.” English Major at your service. Computer is eating my brain.

  184. 184
    Steve Says:

    #177: hilarious.

    Wags looked good. A little wild, but he was clearly locating better. And much more confident in his fastball.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Phils now seen as favorites to land Oswalt. Not good. Not good at all.

  186. 186
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Anybody else concerned by our 3 run win as the mets are tied with 7 runs? Phillies scored a bunch tonight also.

  187. 187
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mets about to win.

  188. 188
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Frenchy with a chance to win it. Oh please don’t let it be

  189. 189
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Poor Frenchy looks as confused as ever after he popped up.

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    Curt Says:

    Bub, seems to me that Oswalt doesn’t want to play in Philly. I say he rejects the trade. Who’s with me?

  191. 191
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I wish A-Rod would hit it already.

  192. 192
    Bubdylan Says:


    “•Talks between the Phillies and Astros have intensified in the last day, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. The clubs have more or less agreed on players – J.A. Happ and prospects would go to Houston – but they can’t agree on how much salary the Astros will absorb. Jayson Werth is off the market, so taking on payroll won’t be easy for the Phils.”

    And I’m pretty sure he waffled on the “don’t wanna play there” sentiment when Oswalt sort of “communicated” to him he would be stuck in Houston if he painted them in a corner trying to get to St. Louis.

    “•Oswalt is telling friends that he can’t wait to leave Houston, according to Newsday’s Ken Davidoff. The righty says he won’t necessarily insist that teams pick up his 2012 option.”

  193. 193
    Bubdylan Says:

    Some day I write good.

    And I’m pretty sure OSWALT waffled on the “don’t wanna play there” sentiment when HOUSTON sort of “communicated” to him he would be stuck in Houston if he painted them in a corner trying to get to St. Louis.

  194. 194
    Bubdylan Says:

    I will say this much, though, if the Phillies lose Happ in this trade, I don’t think the Halladay/Oswalt/Hammels/Blanton/whomever rotation in 2011 will be as horrifying as it would have been with Happ. If they get Oswalt and keep Happ, forget it. Game over. They’d be up around 160 million, nearly doubling the Braves. There’s only so much you can do to overcome that.

    *plus or minus whatever they spend to replace Werth, but he’s only making 5 mill this year, so…

  195. 195
    Curt Says:

    Thanks Bub…………………..

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    Bubdylan Says:


    disregard entire post. Several wrong facts, plus the logic is garbled. To bed.

  197. 197
    Bubdylan Says:

    Nothing between the Phillies and Oswalt but Roy’s “okay.”


    This isn’t a good day for the Atlanta Braves.

  198. 198
    Bubdylan Says:

    If the Oswalt deal goes through, this is shaping up to be the most disappointing, heart-wrecking, spirit-sapping development conceivable coming on the heels of a 3.5 game loss of ground in one week, and going into a road series against the Reds.

    Hope Wren doesn’t make it worse by spending major farm talent on a minor piece. We have to either let this Philly yankeethon bleed out, or start spending money ourselves.

    At a time like this, it’s infuriating that the Braves decided to be so liberal with the Chipper Jones and Derek Lowe contracts just to turn around and jerk the rug out from under the team’s budget.

  199. 199
    Kate Says:

    The Phillies are also interested in Jose Bautista.

  200. 200
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Today’s lineup (12:35 first pitch): Prado – 2B Infante – RF Chipper – 3B Glaus – 1B Diaz – LF Gonzalez – SS Ross – C Cabrera – CF Lowe – P

    Heyward get’s a rest but Glaus doesn’t? He’s not hurt is he?

  201. 201
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Maybe Oswalt won’t agree. I mean honestly…what MS boy in their right mind would want to live in Philly?

  202. 202
    Nate Says:

    Glaus cleanup? Me no likey. (Hopefully this creates some reverse he hits 2 bombs mojo)

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    Nate Says:

    That’s a bummer on Oswalt. I got really excited when I heard they might be settling for Ted Lilly, the most unimposing pitcher by name and reputation.

  204. 204
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Does this make us feel any better?
    Roy Oswalt has a 5.25 ERA at Citizen’s Bank Par between 2007-2009. #Phillies

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    Nate Says:

    Who are they sending to the Astros?

  206. 206
    Mara Wanna Says:

    J. happ plus 2 prospects I think.

  207. 207
    Nate Says:

    I’m actually kind of glad to see Happ gone. He was a solid, young lefty for them. This is an older, less dominant Oswalt. The only thing that scares me about Oswalt is him winning a bunch of games for them that they otherwise would not have won. With the way their offense is going, though, anybody who holds the opponent at 5 has a good shot at a win. This definitely hurts them long term. I still like our rotation head to head and in the long run. The bats need to wake up, though. Go Braves!

  208. 208
    Nate Says:

    They still have the same bullpen with Lidge at the end of the night… for now…

  209. 209
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Amended braves lineup: 1. Prado 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. Glaus 1B, 5. Diaz LF, 6. Infante SS, 7. Ross C, 8. Cabrera CF, 9. Lowe P

    Michael Noboa? Do we need a 2nd baseman? It’s a rumor so we’ll see.

  210. 210
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Fantastic…gonzo has flu-like symptoms. Hand sanitizer people! Bathe yourselves in it before and after every game!

  211. 211
    Bub Says:

    Oswalt plans to Okay the deal.

    Braves need to get up off the matt today offensively to take some modicum of momentum. This is the rubber game of our current 2nd half record. Lose today and drop a game under .500 since the break.

    This game is urgent. And so far…

  212. 212
    Bub Says:

    Why are the Braves hacking at first and second pitches all day long today? Are they just going to abandon their approach? The one that got them all those runs without much power? They’re gonna lay that down now? NOW? When Glaus is ice cold?

    60-something pitches for Lowe through 3. And 34 for Olsen. Starting to look like garbage on offense.

  213. 213
    Bub Says:

    Diazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Lefty DESTROYAHHHH!

  214. 214
    Bub Says:

    Loweeeeeeeeeeeee. Hope DESTROYAHHHH!!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Lowdemort has not helped my back to school shopping experience.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I think the rain delay can only work in our favor. Lowe was done or should have been done anyway.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I have said it before (in this thread) and I will say it again: get Jose Bautista from the Blue Jays.

    Post All-Star .364 .397 .818 1.215 6
    Last 7 Days .481 .517 1.111 1.628 4

    A little low on the OBP based on AVG for my taste, but his AVG, SLG & OPS more than make up for it.

    And he can play 3B, if we need it…

  218. 218
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Sign him up.

  219. 219
    Kate Says:

    Mark, do you know what his home/road splits are?

  220. 220
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Yeah…I was just, ya know, wondering the same thing. Heh heh…Kate has good questions.

  221. 221
    Curt Says:

    Just reading about the Oswalt deal. Not only did the Phils get Oswalt, they got him for nothing. Houston is paying nearly half of his remaining contract, and the three players going to the Astros are made out to be mediocre at best, including the big piece – Happ. That’s perfect.


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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Not for that time period. For the entire year, his numbers are not quite as good… of course, neither are Jason’s…

  223. 223
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    He didn’t hit well against the NL in interleague play either… but, then again, he is hitting better since the All-star break and interleague play was a while ago in the season…

    He isn’t perfect, but who in the market is…

    Reports: Deal for Oswalt to Phillies has been ok’ed my Oswalt…

  224. 224
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Well, who can we get w/o giving up anything much???

    It is our turn….

  225. 225
    Steve Says:

    The Oswalt trade rattles me, no doubt (although not as much as the lackluster offense this week). But it’s true, as was pointed out earlier, he’s not the untouchable, dominant pitcher this year. Look at his game by games for this year, some are downright bad. http://tinyurl.com/29buc6c

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Maybe his back will “act up” again…

  227. 227
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I mean, isn’t is a team requirement for everyone on the Phillies to visit the DL once this year???

  228. 228
    Curt Says:

    It is to laugh

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    Nate Says:

    That’s why Wren is looking for another reliever.

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    Curt Says:

    Glaus in April: Nine RBIs, two home runs and a batting average of .194.

    Glaus in May: Twenty-eight RBIs, six home runs and a batting average of .330.

    Glaus in June: Nineteen RBIs, six home runs and a batting average of .237.

    Glaus in July: Five RBIs, no home runs and a batting average of .200.

    And add Wil Nieves and his .187 BA to my list of ‘heroes.’

  231. 231
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Uncle. I give.

  232. 232
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    “Glaus Ceiling”, where are you?!

    Personally, I think his knee is still bothering him and it has “modified” his swing slightly – just enough to keep him from consistancy… He hits the ball hard, just not where he wants to hit it…

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    Nate Says:

    The Braves offense is in worse shape than Terrence Cody.

  234. 234
    Curt Says:


  235. 235
    Kate Says:

    It’s starting to feel like April again.

  236. 236
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Joel Pineiro out six to eight weeks may turn Angles from buyers to sellers before deadline. Anybody want Bobby Abreu if the Angles pay for him?

    Also, O’s hired a manager and now deal for Tejada is probably going to happen. I figured that they wouldn’t be active before the deadline unless they decided on a manager. Anybody on their team we might want?

  237. 237
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Padres getting Tejada. I wish I were a Padres fan.

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    Curt Says:

    Luke Scott. Nick Markakis

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    Bub Says:


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    Will Says:

    getting worried

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    Curt Says:

    some dude on MLB trade rumors is talking about Braves’ interest in Berkman. Can’t see that one.

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    Anne Says:

    Fat Elvis…Lance Berkman? Seriously?? Geez.

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    Curt Says:

    Yes. Over the proverbial hill

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    Curt Says:

    D Backs tied it up. Bases loaded 1 out in the 9th

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    Curt Says:

    and thusly hit into an inning ending DP

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    Kate Says:

    They have a McLouth too?

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    Anne Says:

    Maybe we all mis-read “McLouth sent down SOUTH” as “McLouth sent down.”

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    Bub Says:

    2.5 games.

    I can’t believe this is happening. What a kick in the stomach.

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    Nate Says:

    I hope the Braves’ only move wasn’t the Yunel/Gonzo trade. That one didn’t make us any better offensively. More solid defensively, but the offensive production is about the same. The middle of the lineup needs help. We all know it.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Remember when 5 didn’t feel like enough?

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    Nate Says:

    Is Marlon Byrd available? The Cubs are pretty much done…

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    Steve Says:

    No doubt, this week has been sickening. And the disappearing offense is the worst. But this is still the same group of guys that were winning almost every series for 2 months. It could turn around. I don’t know that it will, but it could.

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    Nate Says:

    Freeman was 2-3 with 3 RBI and 2 BB today.

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    Nate Says:

    McLouth was 1-5 with a solo HR.

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    Bub Says:

    A little hope for the weary, courtesy of “Howie1987.” It’s a little on the rainbow bubble side for me, but it’s hard to argue against the #’s.

    Please note, the “ignorance” talk and such isn’t me talking. From here to the end is all Howie.


    I’m examining if the Braves truly have “regressed” or if they have just had some bad luck and are in a funk… I’m honestly open to either scenario, so here are the numbers:

    All Star Break Record / Record Since / Overall Record

    52-36 / 6-7 / 58-43
    47-40 / 9-6 / 56-46
    RS/RA @ AS Break / Current RS/RA / Run Differential SINCE AS Break

    406-337 / 467-392 / 61-55 (+6)
    410-362 / 481-427 / 71-65 (+6)
    Runs Scored Per Game / Runs Allowed Per Game

    Braves – 4.61 / 3.82
    Phillies – 4.71 / 4.16
    Runs Scored Per Game / Runs Allowed Per Game

    Braves – 4.69 / 4.23
    Phillies – 4.73 / 4.33

    People in their ignorace complaining about the offense, pay attention people, look at the pitching (namely the bullpen)…

    W% & Margin of Victory PRE-A.S. Break / W% & Margin of Victory Post-A.S. Break
    Braves = .590% – 1.33 Runs / .461% – 1.0 Runs
    Phillies = .540% – 1.02 Runs / .600% – 0.67 Runs

    ***MARGIN OF VICTORY IS NOT the difference in RS/RA Per Game… Margin of Victroy = RD/Ws

    The BOTTOM LINE IS = The Braves have won 6 games and have a Run Differential of +6, the Phillies have won 9 games and have a Run Differential of +6…

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    Bub Says:

    The Atlanta Braves are the only National League team not represented in ANY rumor on the top page at MLBTR as of right now.

    Either Frank’s the stealthiest GM in the league, or he’s seriously just not going to do anything significant.

    If he wants a bat, waiting until the 11th hour seems awfully dangerous. If I’m reading this right, once Bautista and Dunn/OR/Willingham are acquired, that about wraps it up. Strange. Wren in his short history here had rather pay a little extra to get what he wanted before it disappeared than wait around hoping for the best bargain. Hard to gauge his current stance.

    If it’s him holding on to the talent, fine. If it’s the $$, that’s bull. Does he think those (comparatively) loud crowds are there to see Chipper Jones’s last ride? It’s the winning.

    Bah. Grump.

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    Nate Says:

    And the numbers that matter: PHI 9-6, ATL: 6-7. The Phillies are always in a close game because of their power. The Braves are not because they have no clutch hitting right now. Baseball is a simple game. The Braves have had 6 decent outings from their starters and lost 2-4. (A 4 run outing from D. Lowe is about as good as can be expected) One of those 2 wins came at the hands of one of the worst bullpens in the modern era. The Braves need to start hitting the Randy Wolfs/Scott Olsens/Chris Volstads of the league and they will be a good team again. If they don’t hit they will win very few games. It really is that simple.

    Something that concerns me is that the Braves went 8-4 against the N.L. East before the All-Star break, and then made a trade, and then went 2-4 against the bottom of the N.L. East… I hope the team chemistry that I keep hearing about that is so important helps us start hitting the ball again. I hope we all get to start our Saturday mornings thinking about winning baseball.

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    Nate Says:

    Bub/Howie, The Braves runs scored numbers are misleading because we’ve scored 10, 8, and 11 in three of those wins. In the other 10 games since the All-Star break we scored and average of 3.6 runs/game. Even before the break, our runs/game were low, but we were winning, so no one cared. In that 8-4 stretch before the break we scored like 3.7 runs/game. The Escobar/Gonzo trade had no effect offensively, so what’s the deal? Why are we losing if we’re scoring the same amount? Now we have a sub .500 win pct, whereas before, with essentially the same offensive production, we won at a .667 clip… Baseball.

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    Nate Says:

    I like looking at the schedule in 2 week intervals. We are in a garbage interval right now. Go look at the schedule over the year in 2 week intervals. The Braves have gone through 2 weeks where they dominate, then 2 where they’re middling, then 2 where they dominate, then 2 where they get dominated. If the Braves hold true to form, they should have a very successful upcoming 2 weeks. If we can get there with a division lead, then it’s all gravy… for 2 weeks.

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    Bub Says:

    “The Braves runs scored numbers are misleading because we’ve scored 10, 8, and 11 in three of those wins.”

    So, winning 10 to 5 is not indicative of a better offense than winning 4 to 3?

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    Bub Says:

    “And the numbers that matter: PHI 9-6, ATL: 6-7.”

    That’s just crazy talk. What if the Phillies won 9 games by 1 run and the Braves won their 6 games by an average of 20 runs per game? You don’t think that would be a sign of an uptick? You might as well say the only numbers that matter are the Braves are up by 2.5 games, so why worry? Trends matter. They add to the win/loss data. Did anybody think the Orioles would win their division after week one?

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    Nate Says:

    The Big Puma is definitely out there for the taking. I bet that means Dunn is staying DC. I would definitely like to see Dunn not stay in DC. He always gets a big one on us. Every series.

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    Bub Says:

    I think the Phils’ next road series is against the Natinals, though. Like to see them have some punch left. Or, at least, that would be some consolation for the big man staying put.

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    Curt Says:

    Bub, I’m with you on the fact that the Braves are not involved in any rumors. It’s crazy. They have to at least be in the mix. Particularly now that the Phillies have to be considered the favorites to win the division. They have to be looking to add a piece to this offense. And I was wrong. It can’t be Mike Deveraux. It has to be someone who can really make a difference. I think if the Braves were willing to eat a bunch of money, the could move KK and McLouth. I know they aren’t worth a lot, and not suggesting they would bring us anything, but they have produced at times, and could serve a team in some capacity. Find a larger package to move with Medlen, Dunn, whomever. Make a move. Prove that you are in it for real. You can’t stand pat. What about Derek Lee? Maybe he is willing to come to Atlanta.

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    Steve Says:

    I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possiblity that FW is simply in super stealth mode. Think about the last three big trades he’s made: McLouth, LaRoche and the Gonz. No one had as much as a whiff about any of those. Now, do I think a big impactful trade is coming? Not really. Too busy in my Braves suck, all is hopeless with my team death-spiral right now. But, I’m still hitting refresh on MLBTraderumors and espn.com every five minutes.

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    Curt Says:

    Couldn’t the Nats have traded Matt Capps before he pitched against us? and maybe kept him around for the Phils?

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    Bub Says:

    If Frank Wren does nothing further, he will at least have the dubious distinction of adding bats (McLouth, Gonazalez) in consecutive deadlines that came in as the new Braves homerun leader, only to drop through the floor. That’s… special.

    Steve, that’s the same mode I’m in. Trying to shake it, but this has the potential to be almost worse than not even getting close. Almost.

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    Curt Says:

    MArk Bowman was just on 790 and he said don’t expect any moves. He felt that if there were a CF to be had, maybe, but because there is not the Braves will do nothing feeling that getting Diaz, Heyward, JJ back from injury covers it.


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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ok…yesterday I was in the depths of despair. Today, hope springs eternal. All those fantastic wins came while Diaz and JJ were on the DL and a lot of them while Heyward wa on the DL. In FL we didn’t suck. There was a lot of luck on the side of the Fish. The Nats have historically had our number not to mention being all geared up for Strausburg and trying to shift gears for that other guy. I’m not saying losing that gam was excusable…believe me it wasn’t. Yesterday was crazy hot and if the Marlins have something that resembles a home field advantage then certainly the Nats do as well. The Phillies can’t win every game and this team is very good. JJ is stellar. Wags has had his slump an is back to rare form. Gonzo is getting settled and Heyward is due for a hot streak. If Bobby can sit Troy for a day or two and for the love play Diaz and Infante til they drop dead from exhaustion. I’m sure most of this post is BS but I feel better. Until tonight.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Venters’ 4-game suspension has been rescinded entirely following the hearing that was held earlier this week.

    Oh good. See…things looking up!

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    Curt Says:

    “I think we’re still looking internally at the pieces that we have,” Wren said early Monday evening. “Right now, I’d have to say that’s the way that we’re leaning.”


    So the big move will be bringing Gregor Blanco back up. Hold on folks.

    You can’t win if you don’t play.

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    Nate Says:

    Frank Wren is a ballsy individual to look at what the Phillies did at the deadline and do nothing. You have to wonder how much the Vizcaino arm injury hindered any moves. I thought we might see a big move this year because in theory you can’t have more than Delgado, Teheran, Minor, JJ, and Hanson in a future rotation. I have a feeling Medlen’s future role is in the pen and as a back up plan if somebody got hurt during the season. That’s why I thought Vizcaino might be a trade piece for a bat, especially since Wren couldn’t get a bat for Vazquez. Does anyone think we might see a Freeman call up soon, or do they wait until the roster expands?

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    Nate Says:

    Bub, I’m sorry I disappointed you with my early morning ramblings. I just don’t see how we’re playing (offensively) much worse than we were in the stretch where we went 8-4 before the break. That’s all I was trying to say, however poorly it was said. I didn’t mean to come off as pompous with my response. I’m sure there are many stats that can explain poor results (W-L record). I just see W-L as the only numbers that really matter in a divisional race, and I am sure the stats you listed do explain the trend going on. I tend to see things very black and white. It is a fault frequently cited by those who know me all to well.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Tonight’s lineup: Prado 4, Heyward 9, Chipper 5, McCann 2, Glaus 3, Hinske 7, Infante 6, Cabrera 8, Medlen 1,

    Wish Diaz was in there and Glaus was taking a break. In the word’s of Tony Soprano, “What ya gonna do?

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    Nate Says:

    Ellsbury? Ross? Anybody?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Per Ken Rosenthal Source: #Braves still on Ross, two other teams “coming hard.” #Marlins’ willingness to move him still in question. Would need big offer #MLB

    Do we buy it?

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    Mara Wanna Says:


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    Nate Says:

    Fat Elvis wears pinstripes.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    So…whose left to play the Phillies this weekend and why couldn’t we have played the Nats after the trade deadline?

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    Nate Says:

    So, do you demand your money back if you’re an Astros’ season ticket holder? The NL Central is a joke.

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    Nate Says:

    Any word on Gonzo’s illness?

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    Bub Says:

    Glaus completely sucks again.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Dude needs a rest badly. My knees hurt watching him “run”.

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    Bub Says:

    The 5.4 ERA righty that was scheduled to pitch against Atlanta before they replaced him with Olsen is pitching against the Phillies. I swear I believe the baseball gods are trying to teach the Braves some kind of lesson.

    Oswalt looks hittable from my chair.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    What goes around comes around. The Yankees getting Bergman makes me want to punch somebody.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Good FW traded Mitch Jones for money. Cause, ya know, that’s what we need. Please be shopping!!!!!!!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Prado, that was artful. Just beautiful!

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    Bub Says:

    Yeah, the Yankees needed a bat, didn’t they? It is very hard in baseball to buy a championship because of the 5 and 7 game formats. But they might pull it off. If they bang out 3 or 4 in a row, I will definitely, seriously, no kidding around, find some other way to spend 162 days a year.

    HOW are the Nationals missing these fat pitches from Oswalt? I know they have three runs, but these are grapefruits he’s throwing. Maybe there’s more movement on them that you can see on gameday.

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    Bub Says:

    First baseman please.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Adam Dunn please.

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    Bub Says:

    Crash for cash.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    If Glaus goes on the DL can Freddie Freeman come up? Would he be ready? I don’t so much understand how these things work.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I love how Martin had to get a new jersey after the slide. Meds is killing it.

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    Bub Says:

    Phils’ bats struggling against Flowermanhood through 4.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I take it back. Meds is not killing it! I’m really tired of the Baseball gods.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Can we have Votto?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Come on Meds…let’s try to make it interesting.

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    Bub Says:

    Mara, I would be very surprised if Freeman gets the call. He’s doing great, but not “Heyward Great.” And he’s 20 years old. It would be very risky.

    I want it, though.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Gonzo’s been hospitalized for gastritis. Sure hope EOF didn’t share his germs. Now DOB says Jones is traded for a player to be named.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Has anybody else noticed that Medlen doesn’t have any eyebrows?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    The freaking bankrupt Rangers are spending money! How can we not pick up something?

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    Nate Says:

    Natinals 5 Oswalt 0

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Oh my Mac!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Now I hear Mitch was traded for $. I’m so ready for tomorrow to come and go.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Um…please do NOT be hurt.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Make. Him. Pay. Prado!

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    Curt Says:

    Dear god break this game open. Bases loaded, no one out and the only run we have is on a Frenchy

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    That was disappointing. Does Moylan pitching mean Medlen’s hurt?

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    Nate Says:

    It’s like Dusty Baker knew the Braves would stop hitting if he got a pitcher in there with an ERA over 5.00.

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    Nate Says:

    Natinals 7 Philswalt 1

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    Bub Says:

    I had to take a phone call. What happened?

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    Nate Says:

    Glaus grounds out to short. I’m callin’ it.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    B. Mac homered. Medlen was hit by a pitch. Couldn’t score with the bases loaded. Troy can’t get it up.

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    Nate Says:

    Damn. So close. I think we have to wait until his knees just completely give out.

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    Bub Says:

    Is Meds hurt? Do we know?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Just so there’s no confusion…I hate the Yankees. Just so we’re clear.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Contusion…will be evaluated…blah blah blah. It sounded terrible but he looked ok and stayed in the game. Reds announcers predicted numbness in his fingers. Fingers crossed.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Oh dear…please be good Saito.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Yanks about to land Kearns. FINALLY! I was worried they were done! Phew! Now I can sleep tonight.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    When was the last time Lance was tested? Dude’s neck looks like a tree trunk.

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    Bub Says:

    Waiter, can I get a salary cap?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Saito makes me very nervous.

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    Bub Says:

    Me also.

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    Bub Says:

    Jim Powell:

    Reds 2 for 2 with RISP.

    Braves 1 for 11 with RISP.

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    Kate Says:

    Phillies finally lose a game.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Crap. Put him away please!!!!

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    Bub Says:

    What were the Vegas odds on Roy Oswalt losing 8-1 to Craig Stammen?

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Saito’s pick off move makes me laugh. Great news Kate! Oswalt smoswalt. Seriously could use an insurance run or two for the sake of my nerves.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Um…prado did not run it out. Could he have made it? Not happy with Marteen right now.

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    Bub Says:

    1 for 12 now with RISP.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Piles of poop.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I KNEW that was going to happen.

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    Bub Says:

    Nice ballpark.

    Our offense is sh*t tonight, though. This is what happens.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    We need a Votto.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    …and a CF who can run.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Calm down Venters. Maybe their bullpen will implo…forget it. Game over.

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    Curt Says:

    It really is April all over. Just waiting for the Reds 2 run 8th

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    Bub Says:

    Smart pitch by Venters, going with the slider for the K. You know Bruce was thinking sinker.

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    Curt Says:

    i can taste throw up

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    Bub Says:

    Can’t really fault Venters, or even Bobby for going with him (get well, EOF). No qualms with out pitchers tonight in this ballpark.

    Just, MAN, these hitters are killing me. It can really avalanche, too, once they start thinking about not hitting with RISP.

    I still smell a win, though.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Now Yanks are looking for a 3b. Well, of Course….every team needs one or three of those. Naturally.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Get well EOF and FW get off your ass!

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    Curt Says:

    Bub, you honestly think we are going to win this game?

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    Bub Says:

    Mike Minor lowers his ERA to 1.99 with Gwinnett, pitching 7 innings of ONE hit ball, 8 K’s, ZERO walks. He’s 4-1 since his promotion.

    Steve, to answer a delayed question, this is why I’d rather lose Meds than Minor. Especially in this division, I do NOT want to be facing Mike Minor. He’s going to be a serious #3 pitcher. Nothing against Meds, who I think is a serious #4. I just love Minor.

    Freeman with a pair of hits, too, to pump his BA to .295, though his OPS is even greater at .854, way to go, Freddie. Kid is 20 years old.

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    Nate Says:

    Chavez is warming up. We need a run or this game is over.

  346. 346
    Bub Says:

    Glaus sucks so bad he pulls dirt into my radio speakers.

    Curt, not really. Just… trying.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nice Troy. I was thinking homer but grounding out to SS is almost as good. Come Brooksy, I’m pressing replay.

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    Bub Says:

    F*** me.

  349. 349
    Bub Says:

    Yeah, we’re losing.

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    Nate Says:

    Crazy reverse fortune.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Brooksy got robbed. Game over again. I have zero confidence that we will win. Wish I would turn it off…but I won’t cause I can’t.

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    Curt Says:

    Glaus is so awful. I would like to apologize to all of you and my family for suggesting he was not an if. I’m a hack.

  353. 353
    Bub Says:

    This is the wrong freaking game to lose, too. You think those Philly hitters don’t tighten up according to the nightly scoreboard? Getting through Oswalt’s disaster first start without losing a game is huge for them. This sucks, sucks, sucks. Troy Glaus is killing us.

    Taking bets on how many outs Chavez records tonight. Over/under is at zero.

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    Nate Says:

    He is so obviously hurt. It’s like another injury cover-up nightmare.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I hope it ends quickly. Maybe it’ll be like a band-ade. It’ll hurt less if it’s ripped clean away.

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    Bub Says:

    Hit hard. Into Prado’s glove. WHY is Chavez on the FREAKING BALLTEEEEEAAAAMMM????!!!!!!!!! I’M GOING INSAAAAAAANE!!!

  357. 357
    Nate Says:

    2 outs. Then Phillips hits one 450 feet.

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    Curt Says:

    It is ironic that Conrad hit the walk off GS to beat the Reds and really propel that run, and here it is with us wallowing in the mire and that happens. And of course the guy gets a hit right after that catch.

    2 run homer right here.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I don’t care if Freddie Freeman is 12 call him up.

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    Nate Says:

    Stephen Marek had another good night. I bet he’s better than Chavez.

  361. 361
    Nate Says:

    Hopefully Dunn isn’t in because he got traded for a hitter.

  362. 362
    Curt Says:

    Couldn’t we have used Mitch Jones? I mean he hit 15 homers or something? More so than Clevlen?

  363. 363
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Kidding me! Extra innings? *sigh*

  364. 364
    Nate Says:

    Fear the ‘Stash.

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    Nate Says:

    Post Chavez Survival Thought: This is the same feeling I get when I’m on a plane and it’s just made it through a rough patch of turbulence.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nate, that’s perfect.

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    Bub Says:

    If the Braves win this ball game, I’m going streaking in nothing but my bear claw house shoes.

  368. 368
    Bub Says:

    Agree, Nate, perfect analogy.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bub, your roomate is praying to the baseball gods right now. Come on Matty D!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Patience Matt…ever hear of it? Very frustrated.

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    Bub Says:

    Glaus is the only starter with no hits. 5 AB’s and nothing.

  372. 372
    Bub Says:

    Mara, for better or worse, Matt’s a guess hitter. Those ugly swings are the price we pay for his doubles down the line on balls a foot off the plate.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ok kid. Let’s put it in play ok buddy?

  374. 374
    Bub Says:

    Ooooh, Heyward up with the game on the line versus RHP. Get your predictions in.

    I call a walk.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I will not predict. I feel too much guilt when I screw it up. I hear tomahawks chopping!

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    Bub Says:

    That works.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ohhhhhhh Prado.

  378. 378
    Bub Says:

    OH, sh*t. No, no, no, no, no, no.

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    Will Says:

    a thing of beauty!

  380. 380
    Will Says:

    hes fine

  381. 381
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Will, where’d you come from and how do you know?

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    Nate Says:

    That was so huge.

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    Bub Says:

    Mara, I JUST got the roommate joke. Very funny. I’m slow.

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    Kate Says:

    Mets lost 9-6.

  385. 385
    Mara Wanna Says:

    The second anyone hears one thing about Prado let me know. I’m holding vigil.

  386. 386
    Nate Says:

    Anyone else nervous about Wagner?

  387. 387
    Bub Says:

    Nate, I think Wagner just had a hiccup. I think he’ll be dominant.

    Ugh, Prado out of the game.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nate, I’ve been damn near bipolar tonight. I have no clue what I feel.

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    Bub Says:

    Damninant. I meant damninant.

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    Bub Says:

    If we lose this game and Prado, I’m taking a few days off. Too painful.

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    Bub Says:


  392. 392
    Will Says:

    will has all-knowing all-seeing power

  393. 393
    Bub Says:

    *dies of relief*

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    Will Says:


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    Nate Says:

    Wow. I guess that’s what a Chavez win feels like.

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    Bub Says:

    3.5 game lead. Bleeding stops.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’m with ya Bub. I really hope Meadow’s ok. Seriously, what will they do if he can’t play tomorrow?

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    Will Says:

    OK, Bub….lets see it!

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    Bub Says:

    Mara, it would be Conrad, Infante, and Chipper if Prado can’t go.

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    Jacksonville Police Department Says:

    We’re told someone at this website can explain why 137 middle aged women are running down Highway 21 after what appears to be a sprinting albino with fuzzy feet.

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    Nate Says:

    Martin rounding third is the definition of tearing a$$.

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    Jacksonville Police Department Says:

    lol, J.A. Happ works 6 scoreless for the Astros shut-out win.

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    Nate Says:

    I just saw that JPD. Just the perfect night for a Phillies fan.

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    Curt Says:

    to hell with them

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    Bub Says:

    *name recovery post*

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    Nate Says:

    Who do you think wins in a hypothetical foot race between Troy Glaus and the Tin Man from The Wizard of Oz?

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    Bub Says:

    The Tin Man would win AND Glaus’s joint would make more noise.

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    Bub Says:


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    Nate Says:

    I bet the Tin Man would have more power with men on base, too.

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    Bub Says:

    Ugh, jammed finger on Prado. X-Rays underway… if we lose our two best hitters in the same year to head-first slides…

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    Curt Says:

    Ham, Steve and I were talking about how excited we were that Infante would finally get some playing time. Stupid Prado….

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    Bub Says:

    Yuck. X-Rays taking “longer than usual.”

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Curtis! Take it back! Not stupid…passionate. Even if it’s only jammed that takes him out for a bit right? Bub,(shielding eyes) put some clothes on.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Maybe the machine is faulty. Or, Prado was so excited about the win he got antsy and wiggled as the xrays were being taken. So many reasons they could be taking a while.

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    Bub Says:

    *fakes the sound of putting on clothes*

    Okay, you can look.

    Ugh, waiting on Xray is nervewracking. Boooo. I want a COMPLETE happy day for Atlanta. It’s been a while…

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    Bub Says:

    Too bad Freeman’s not here. Lefties batting .290 against Arroyo. Can you imagine Heyward, Hinske, Freeman, McCann, McLou… McLo… *chokes*

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    *pounds Bub on a fully clothed back*. Spit it out.

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    Bub Says:


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    Bub Says:

    Dodgers about to pick up Lilly. C’mon, Braves, DO SUMPTN.

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    Bub Says:

    DOB, stop tweeting about Blanco call ups and stuff. I need Two Words: X-Rays Negative. Say the words! Come ONNNNN!

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Gotta go sleep. Please oh please be ok dear Meadow!

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    Nate Says:

    Inconclusive? That’s not fair.

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    Bub Says:

    Mara, I have to correct what I said about Freeman not being “Heyward great” in AAA because I was only looking at his stats for the whole year. A truer picture is what he’s done since June when he turned a corner. We’re on the last day of July, and this is what the kid is really doing down there:

    June: .333 Batting Average, with a monster .946 OPS!!!!
    July: .318 Batting Average, .923 OPS.

    Twenty. Freaking. Years. Old. And, yeah, that’s very close to “Heyward Great.” J-Hey didn’t play enough in AAA to get an exact comparison, but he hit .352 in 47 games of AA, and I would say that’s about even or just a little better than what Freeman is doing.

    Frederick is better right now than Troy Glaus, I can hardly doubt it.

    They’ll never do it in a million years, though.

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    Bub Says:

    If Minor is as ready as he looks, I believe he’ll break camp with Freeman in 2011 (Meds to the pen or traded), and if he does that, can you guys believe this onslaught of high impact rookies four years in a row???? Who does that?!

    2008: Jair Jurrjens
    2009: Tommy Hanson, Kris Medlen
    2010: Jason Heyward, Jonny Venters
    2011: Freddie Freeman, Mike Minor

    And it would be pretty unusual if 2012 doesn’t graduate one of Teheran & Delgado. Other real possibilities: Kimbrel, Mike Dunn. I bet nobody in baseball besides maybe Tampa Bay can boast the “Wins Above Replacement” numbers we’re getting from rookies in this span.

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    Bub Says:

    Everybody get your trade predictions in.

    I’ll take a longshot guess:

    Cody Ross from Florida for Mike Dunn, Tyler Stovall, and Spanjer-Furstenburg.

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    Bub Says:

    Know this: if I see Mike Minor leave this organization for less than a Kemp-level return, I will BLOW SH*T UP!!!!

    Minor is special. I know, he’s my pet and I keep shoving him down throats, but I’m just TELLING YA. He’s gonna be a STAHHHHR. Okay, a solid pitcher with an ERA under 4 his first year. He’s got composure to beat the band, and that’s my favorite tool in a pitcher. I mean, look what he’s doing in AAA and he just got there. Heck, we just drafted him like three days ago! Honestly? I predict he’ll have a better first year (but not career) than Julio Teheran.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I say Adam Dunn for straight up cash. Cause let’s face it. We’re freaking loaded! I don’t want to give up Minor either. I’m wondering if “inconclusive” means we think we see a break or we don’t see a break but want to triple check?

    Bub, you are up very early these days.

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    Bub Says:

    It’s not early. It’s late. Yesterday I slept from 9:00 to 5:00. Ironically, when I used to work night shift, I could never stay awake. Now that I have no schedule, my body’s clock has drifted to that exact spot.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Well, hopefully you’ll drift back around before school starts.

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    Bub Says:

    I have a rather bleak theory about Prado’s “inconclusive” X-Ray. I think it’s possible that he is badly injured, and that Wren doesn’t want to have his ass over the fire with other GM’s today as he tries to find help without paying too much.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I don’t really want to hear that. Lalalalalalalalalal…

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    Nate Says:

    Bub, I don’t think you have to worry about Minor going anywhere. Minor is going to be the Braves’ “I told you so” to every scout and analyst who ridiculed Wren and the Braves’ scouting department for taking him #7 overall. You’d think they’d no better than to second guess what has probably been the best scouting department in baseball over the last 23 years.

    I have no doubts Freeman would be better than Glaus right now. Glaus is hurt. Freeman isn’t. You’re right on about Freeman’s post-June numbers. He was battling minor injuries during the early part of the year. Since he’s played consistently, to quote Bobby Cox, he’s been dynamite.

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    Bub Says:

    I didn’t know Freeman was battling minor injuries. That makes me even more excited about his June/July.

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    Nate Says:

    It is so foreshadowing in the first Naked Gun movie when they suspect Nordberg of murder. Little did they know…

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    Bub Says:

    If my last name was Minor there’s now way I could resist naming my son Cole.

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    Bub Says:

    *no way

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    Curt Says:

    Watch the replays on Prado. Unless he broke the tip of his finger, he didn’t break anything. He instantly flexed his hand and curled all his fingers back and forth. You don’t do that with a broken or dislocated finger. Jams are weird though. Some just pop back out, and some can really be debilitating. I jammed my thumb one time and my whole hand turned black.

    On the other stuff, do something. Prove you are real players. If your only move is getting rid of a pain in the ass, you aren’t serious about what you are doing and you had no expectations this year anyway. Which means you don’t really care about your fans or Bobby Cox. Sometimes, you have to trade your prospects to become a better major league team. That’s just the fact of the matter. Don’t give up the world, but pick a piece, and the Braves have lots of them right now, and make him part of the package. It’s the only real way to win now. Otherwise, cynically, it all comes down to money. You aren’t willing to make the move because you don’t want to take on a big salary and potentially lose a guy you won’t have to pay for 5 or 6 years. I got this theory out now because Steve and Ham told me I couldn’t talk about payroll on the show again. Your mindset can’t always be “wait until those guys come up.” At what point do you win for now? Tampa has produced an amazing run of talent, as Bub noted, but for all of that, that window closes at the end of the year for them and they have one year of post season baseball to show for it.

    I don’t want to give up the farm, but sometimes you have to move some guys. This team is so much better than the team we had when we picked up Tex. Why were they willing to move then and not now?

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    Nate Says:

    Bub, on Minor, the Braves also need a lefty starter in a bad bad way.

  439. 439
    Curt Says:

    This guy makes my point more eloquently than I did.


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    Bub Says:

    Curt, I will also be disappointed if they don’t move, and will question Wren’s negotiating skills. For all the talk about not moving players unless the price is right, I haven’t seen a single #1 through #3 prospect move yet. Hell, most acquisitions are costing prospects numbered in the high teens of the trading team. Major league players are crossing the table for squat. J.A. Happ is about the only real loss by a buying team (unless I missed something), and that was for Roy Freaking Oswalt.

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    Nate Says:

    Curt, I agree with this team being much better than the one that added Tex. We’re like one bat away from winning a very weak National League. It needs to be done. Maybe Delgado and Dunn plus a couple decent, young minor leaguers would get a bat. Wren is in love with the pitching prospects, though. Especially that trio of Minor, Teheran, and Delgado. I don’t think you can expect to do a trade for top talent and not throw in at least 1 of your top 5 prospects. Wren will probably get Ross for some grouping of Dunn and Chavez(if we’re lucky) plus 2 young prospects.

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    Bub Says:

    And I still contend that, more than anything, they need to address the Glaus situation. That’s worse than having Melky in CF.

    And the solution will cost nothing but a little time off the back end of Freeman’s cheap years. If that. (I think breaking camp with him in 2011 would be almost the same as going ahead now, wouldn’t it? I know it would be the same re: super two status.)

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    Nate Says:

    When Bobby figures out how to play Infante it’s kind of like a trade for the Braves.

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    Nate Says:

    The guys on the radio said this Glaus is worse than the April Glaus. If those two idiots can figure that out, then there’s no excuse for the Braves’ organization not being able to figure it out. Playing Glaus and batting him 4th, 5th, or 6th is killing the team. It’s just blatant stubbornness by every party involved.

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    Anne Says:

    Instead of watching what turned out to be a game in our favor, I sat through three hours of Les Miserables…OUTSIDE…in Peachtree City. I had a pleasant replay viewing experience at Taco Mac until stupid-thirty in the morning. Here’s something no one’s written here lately: GO BRAVES!!

  446. 446
    Bub Says:

    Anne, “stupid-thirty” made me laugh.

    “Sat through” Les Mis? For shame. Turn in your Groove Card.

  447. 447
    Anne Says:

    Oh, and I breezed through like four pages of comments, but if someone else said it, it’s worth repeating: NICE Venters suspension reversal.

  448. 448
    Anne Says:

    Bub – boyfriend was in the band, sorta had to. His parents and daughter, however, split at intermission. I win!!

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    Bub Says:

    Yesterday, Ross was “off the table” because of Coughlan’s injury. This morning it’s because they “can’t find the right deal.” Bullcrap’s piling up already. Florida’s organization is garbage. I’m gonna laugh to tears when the new stadium sells 10,000 tickets per game.

  450. 450
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I know this is off topic but how encouraged are we that McLouth has accidently hit a couple balls?

  451. 451
    Bub Says:

    Mara, I’m plenty encouraged about McLouth for 2011. But I hope they leave him down there until then, let him work that swing all the way back into habit-shape. Because when he came back up, he went right back to the swing that got him in trouble.

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    Curt Says:

    I’m discouraged. I don’t want him ever wearing an Atlanta uniform ever again. I’m quite serious about that. And I don’t want the Braves entertaining the idea of bringing him up to take anyone’s spot on this team.

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    Nate Says:

    I wish he could have done some more of that for our Major League club. I’m over Nate McLouth for 2010. No more. I don’t want to think about him in 2011. His whole game sucked at the Major League level this year.

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    Bub Says:

    I’m not as willing to write him off as Curt, but I have to admit he seems to react adversely to pressure. It’s been guessed that the mental part of his game has always suffered, and that the low pressure of Pittsburgh was a large part of his success. If this is true, the last thing we want is for him to be in a post season line-up.

    However, with the 6 million owed to him next year, I figure the chances of replacing him with a legit CF are slim. There’s always the possibility he can turn the corner on his “pressure problem,” if that’s the real case. Or maybe even become trade-able.

    He has won me over with his classy reaction to being sent down. I’m pulling for him, though with hesitation.

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    Bub Says:

    I was taking solace in the fact that St. Louis was one of the only other contending teams who hadn’t made a move. Now they’re getting Westbrook. Down to us and the Reds for stagnant contenders.

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    Kate Says:

    lineup: 1. Infante 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Glaus 1B, 6. Hinske LF, 7. Gonzalez SS, 8. Cabrera CF, 9. Jurrjens P

  457. 457
    Nate Says:

    You have to be Venezuelan to play 2B or SS for the Braves. It’s a new Bobby Cox rule.

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    Bub Says:

    Prado delay is KILLING ME. Seems like no news is bad news.

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    Nate Says:

    Yeah, the longer it takes makes me wonder how broken? and how long? this is weird…

  460. 460
    Bub Says:

    Good grief, I hate to be a nagging ned, but if the Padres’ non-spendin’ asses get Ludwick and we don’t get a bat…

  461. 461
    Bub Says:

    Bowman says Prado’s at the stadium, but still no news. Definitely wondering if the silence is deadline related, as in, bad news, but protecting leverage.

  462. 462
    Bub Says:

    That big ol’ white mega shirt Bowman wears in his tweet photo … not good.

  463. 463
    Bub Says:

    Giants in talks for Kelly Johnson.

    C’mon, Frank, can we just get a little “in talks” rumor or whatever? I’m sleeeepy. Tease me enough to keep me awake till the ballgame.

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    Anne Says:

    Bowman’s a BIG dude, Bub.

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    Bub Says:

    I knew he was big, but… that shirt makes it look like you could fit one David O’Brien in each boob.

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    Bub Says:

    DOB:Prado has ”stable avulsion fracture” of right pinky, no DL decisioon yet. Might be only 7-10 days

    I know everybody here gets his tweets, but there it is. To the googlemobile… “avulsion…”

  467. 467
    Anne Says:

    You mean, “moob.” Oh, I crack myself up!!

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    Bub Says:


    That’s an avulsion fracture. “Stable” means “one which is likely to stay in a good (functional) position”

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    Nate Says:

    I hope we get Diory instead of Hicks. Someone who can at least feign some hitting potential at the plate. We’ll still get Prado back before the Phils get Utley back, but how much more futile does that make our offense until Prado returns? This is obviously Ham’s punishment for making him an if.

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    Curt Says:

    I don’t want to hive the impression that I am rooting against McLouth. I would never do that. He is just my Yunel I guess. I’m over him.

    Bautista is playing for the Jays today so he’s not headed our way just yet.

    I guess good news from bad news on the Prade front. That could have been much worse. Maybe this will inspire some guys to get off the mat.

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    Bub Says:

    Curt, I came very close to being over Nate. For me it was the no-throw to third on a tag-up in one of his last pre-demotion games. His play in the outfield, when that’s all he’s bringing to the table, was nearly disgusting.

    But his attitude about getting sent down, coupled with his good signs in AAA and Bobby/Wren’s apparent willingness to keep him on a short leash, has calmed my nerves.

    It’s just too much bad juju for the Braves to host the absolute, irrevocable pre-30-yrs-old downslide of Andruw, Frenchy, and Nate in this short a time span. We deserve a little break. At least, that’s my story and I’ll likely not stick to it.

  472. 472
    Bub Says:

    Angels “asked about” Manny. We can’t even make the news for asking about somebody??? Is Frank awake? Hullo? Paging Mr. Wren. Dr. Givvadam is on Line One again. Please pick up soon.

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    Bub Says:

    Not saying we’re inactive, but I just clicked on just the Braves section of MLB Trade Rumors. It says we might trade Dale Murphy.

  474. 474
    Curt Says:

    That would be ‘give’

    to bub’s earlier point, the Yanks just got Berkman for $12 and a bag of magic beans. We couldn’t have pulled off that deal? Or A deal?

  475. 475
    Anne Says:

    Those will be some sure-to-repeat-on-you beans.
    Please. We didn’t want THAT deal.
    Silence is golden.

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    Bub Says:

    And just where is our captain on such an important day as this, hmmm? Steve has a job or something? Wait, you don’t ALL have jobs, do you? *eyes flit nervously around*

  477. 477
    Bub Says:

    The cloud with a head tweets that Alex Gonzalez feels better and will play. :)

  478. 478
    Bub Says:

    Now the Rays and Orioles are talking.

    I feel like a wallflower at the prom. And my date made such promises…

  479. 479
    Curt Says:

    If Luke Scott goes to the rays

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    Bub Says:

    Hmmm… interesting tweet from the motherblogger. Predictions?

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    Bub Says:


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    Bub Says:

    I swear, if Wren pulls off an impact trade an hour before the deadline without any official from either team saying boo about it all day, I will never doubt him again.

    But as of now I suspect it’s something tiny. Teeeeny tiny. *holds forefinger very close to thumb*

  483. 483
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’m just glad to see #Braves and #trade so close together. Bub, when do you sleep?

  484. 484
    Nate Says:

    Ellsbury. Just my guess. Maybe that’s why Mitch Jones was moved.

  485. 485
    Nate Says:

    Crazy names are coming out of every direction on this one.

  486. 486
    Bub Says:

    Mara, I’m trying to stay up all day today and get it turned back around. I’m on solid fumes. I fell asleep typing a post twice.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    WAKE UP BUB!!!!!! I’m sure you’ve all read this but I wanted it to appear on this board…
    “I don’t care about my numbers,” he said. “I care that we stay in first place. I think we’ve got a team to make the playoffs. That’s the only thing I think about. Numbers go away. Just play as a team, make the playoffs and maybe the World Series, that means a lot to me.”

    Fix some coffee Professor.

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    Bub Says:

    Bowman singing a different tune, slightly, from DOB. Can’t remember who won the last showdown. David’s got the speed, but Bowman’s got the… girth.

    (Bowman saying IF we get anything it’ll be a reliever…)

    Booooooooooooooooo. Offense me no likey.

  489. 489
    Bub Says:

    Why are we studying relievers so hard?? Resop, Dunn, Kimbrel? EOF coming back? We can’t get help from within?

    Yankees grabbing Kerry Wood. I guess they couldn’t talk Pujols into pitching.

  490. 490
    Bub Says:

    OH yeah, Steven Mareck or however you spell it. He’s tearing it up, hasn’t given up a run in weeks. We got relief, yo.

  491. 491
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Yankees spankees…I hope we kick their ass. Ya know…if we make it to the WS.

  492. 492
    Bub Says:

    Nats exec swears Dunn is staying put. That might be worth a game to the Braves anyway (Phils series).

  493. 493
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I would wet my pants if we got Dunn or Ross.

  494. 494
    Bub Says:

    I would stop wetting my pants if we got Ross. Dunn: do not want.

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    Curt Says:

    I was hoping more would come while I was watching the kids swim lesson than nothing or maybe a middle reliever.

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    Bub Says:

    You were? When did you start hoping stuff? :)

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    Bub Says:

    3 minutes. I’m guessing… guessing… I’m gonna say… Braves get… uhhh…. an outfielder and a reliever for 5 small prospects. Yeah. Yeah.


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    Bub Says:

    Ugh. Chone Figgins??? That’s the last minute deal they’ve been working on? Yikes. Bad attitude and worse OPS. Are we collecting 4th outfielders for some kind of yard sale?

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    Curt Says:

    Sorry, I meant hopping

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    Nate Says:

    Chone Figgins? Really. Is this really happening?

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    Bub Says:

    Wilkin Ramirez. Hmm. Never heard of him.

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    Bub Says:

    I dunno, Nate. His year is bad, but now I’m looking at his OBP and his steals. A real lead off guy.

    The Wilkin Ramirez guy looks decent for a young ‘un.

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    Bub Says:

    There’s a ballgame on, hey. We’re winning.

  504. 504
    Bub Says:

    Ankiel and Farnsworth? Jim Powell says that’s our deal. Hmmm…

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    Bub Says:

    CHAVEZ IS GONE!!!!!!

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    Nate Says:

    Rick Ankiel and Kyle Farnsworth, how does that makes us better?

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    Nate Says:

    Are you serious? No more Chavez?

  508. 508
    Curt Says:

    Hopefully Seattle is eating all that money

  509. 509
    Nate Says:

    Wilkin Ramirez, I’m guessing, takes Mitch’s spot in AAA.

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    Bub Says:

    Okay, I’m satisfied with that, I guess. Good job, Wren.

    Ankiel > Melky, McLouth.

    Farnsworth > Chavez.

    Good luck, Blanco. Hate to lose Tiny Collins, though.

    Nice job, though. I’m very, very satisfied.

    And we’re about to open up whoopass on the Reds.

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    Bub Says:

    Farnsworth and Rick Ankiel we get.

    Chavez, Blanco, and Tim Collins we pay.

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    Nate Says:

    Farnsworth is better than Chavez. Farnsworth hit Yunel in the hand last week and knocked him out of two games. And there’s the inning ending bases loaded DP. Is the Figgins deal for real? If so, wow.

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    Bub Says:

    No Figgins, Nate.

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    Nate Says:

    Excellent. That guy is a punk.

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    Nate Says:

    The Wilkin Ramirez trade is very intriguing…

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    Bub Says:

    Nate, that’s what I was thinking. Intriguing OF prospect for sure. Has the earmarks of a sneaky get.

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    Bub Says:


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    Bub Says:

    Wilkin Ramirez is a strike out machine, lol. He’s got some pop, but MAN can he whiff. SIXTY K’s in 164 AB’s in AAA Toledo. WOW. Can we get Scott Thorman back?

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    Nate Says:

    He fits the Mclouth/Schafer mold perfectly.

  520. 520
    Nate Says:

    Having Dunn, Venters, EOF, and Wagner down the stretch is going to be very clutch. Our bullpen is filthy.

  521. 521
    Bub Says:

    Ummm… Rick Ankiel can’t hit left handed pitching. At all.

    Sooooo…. who’s our Center Fielder?

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    Curt Says:

    Is Ankiel going to pitch for us too?

    Hopefully for Blanco he will get a chance to stick with a major league club. I’ve grown to like him a lot.

    Chavez, not so much. Couldn’t we have thrown McLouth in on that deal too? KK?

  523. 523
    Bub Says:

    Here comes a guaranteed double play from Glaus.

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    Bub Says:

    This is why we shouldn’t offer playing time incentives in contracts if we don’t have to balls to sit a slumping veteran.

  525. 525
    Bub Says:

    We’ve stranded a half dozen runners in three innings already. Getting retarded.

  526. 526
    Bub Says:

    I like the trade less the more I look into it.

  527. 527
    Kate Says:

    I’m disappointed that we had to give up “Tiny” Tim Collins in the trade.

  528. 528
    Bub Says:

    Me, too, Kate. I’d been salivating over his youtube vids with that awesome leg kick. :(

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    And here I sit ready to be all excited. I’m with Curt. It was getting embarrassing to be the only team not doing a darn thing. Losing Chavez is a huge plus last night withstanding. This team is making me very happy today. Need more runs. Pretty please.

  530. 530
    Mara Wanna Says:

    That guy made it sound better.

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    Bub Says:

    More freaking damn runs stranded. We should be torching Bronson Arroyo with all these lefties in the line up.

    We need a first baseman. Wish we’d traded for a AAA beast of a first baseman with a .940 OPS cuz surely we’d call him right up, right?

  532. 532
    Anne Says:

    The Reds got an offer from the Rockettes for Bronson Arroyo.

  533. 533
    Mara Wanna Says:

    It’s a good thing JJ sports a scar above his right eye or he would be too pretty. That’s why you guys keep me around. Stellar comments like that.

  534. 534
    Curt Says:

    Hey, Glaus popped up to the 2nd baseman. As Skip used to say, that wouldn’t be a homerun in a phone booth.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Anne…hilarious! So true. Someone needs to tell Bobby to rub in his sunscreen. That was a weird play I don’t quite understand.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    BUB! Wake up!

  537. 537
    Bub Says:

    *huh… wuh? What time is…. merry Christmas*

  538. 538
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ok…no more hit batters. Kinda like seeing some emotion from JJ. Think he’s ok?

  539. 539
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Why don’t pitchers wear pads when they hit? Because it hinders their swing?

  540. 540
    Curt Says:

    Need more runs

  541. 541
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Come on JJ…no more drama.

  542. 542
    Bub Says:

    Ugh. Offensive suckitude is killing us now. At least… Ankiel is on the way. :(

  543. 543
    Bub Says:

    Reds 3 for 4 with RISP.

    Braves 2 for 7.

    Same story as last night. MUST get some of the black holes taken care of. Starting with Troy gLOB.

  544. 544
    Curt Says:


  545. 545
    Bub Says:

    *stabs thigh with fork*

    *stabs again*

  546. 546
    Nate Says:

    April Braves.

  547. 547
    Mara Wanna Says:

    How’s Rick looking now?

  548. 548
    Curt Says:

    Why is JJ still in this game? He should have been pulled when they got 2 hits off of him. Nice work Bobby. Every strike he threw was just meat right over the middle of the plate.

  549. 549
    Bub Says:

    About now, Rick is looking good. Is he stuck in traffic or what?

  550. 550
    Mara Wanna Says:


  551. 551
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Melky owes JJ a homer.

  552. 552
    Mara Wanna Says:

    No way we win this game.

  553. 553
    Bub Says:

    Dammit, Braves. Remember baseball? The game? With the catching and the throwing and stuff?

  554. 554
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Had I been Moylan I would have been tempted to run that one to 1st base.

  555. 555
    Mara Wanna Says:

    @capitalavenue’s last two tweets made me feel better.

  556. 556
    Kate Says:

    Melky was laughing with Hinske in the outfield during the pitching change. JJ should punch him when he gets back to the dugout.

  557. 557
    Nate Says:

    Both glaring weaknesses were badly exposed in that inning.
    Ankiel is certainly better defensively than Melky, but from what I understand he can’t hit lefties.
    Freddie Freeman is definitely better than Troy Glaus right now.
    Way to be Chip.

  558. 558
    Nate Says:

    Which infielder will Glaus hit it to in this inning?
    A. 1st
    B. 2nd
    C. SS
    D. Will he just strike out

  559. 559
    Curt Says:

    Moylan really couldn’t have come in 3 batters earlier?

  560. 560
    Nate Says:

    or E., Double PLay

  561. 561
    Nate Says:

    Curt, I’m with you on that one. JJ had reached his limit. He should have left with the lead. Classic Bobby.

  562. 562
    Mara Wanna Says:

    E. Homer. I think Glaus gathers himself and hits a homer.

  563. 563
    Bub Says:

    It’s cool. Troy is up. *cue “Hooked on a Feelin’*

  564. 564
    Nate Says:

    *F. 3rd. This is why the don’t let me put the SAT together.

  565. 565
    Bub Says:

    Glaus is 4 for THIRTY on this road trip.



    THIRTY. Get out of my life!

  566. 566
    Curt Says:

    Hey, Glaus popped out to an infielder. Cue “Stop Me if You Think that You’ve Heard This One Before”

  567. 567
    Bub Says:

    He’s not slumping, Bobby. He’s hurting. His legs, his foundation, is frigged. You have to stop dang playing him.

  568. 568
    Curt Says:

    So the three year old has a staph infection caused by an infection he got from some diaper rash. I’m calling it Troy.

  569. 569
    Bub Says:

    Infected Diaper Rash has stranded six runners today all by himself. Yay. McLouth’s gotta be thinking, “sheesh.”

  570. 570
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’ve been battling an infestation of lice for three weeks. I call them all Troy.

  571. 571
    Bub Says:

    I just sneezed. Now there’s Troy all over my screen.

  572. 572
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bankrupt Rangers have acquired 4 solid players. One is butt ugly but he can play ball. Just doesn’t feel fair.

  573. 573
    Bub Says:

    *slaps Gonzalez*

  574. 574
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Gonzo left his bat in Canada.

  575. 575
    Bub Says:

    It’s time to give Omar Infante a job. He’s been doing this for two years.

    Remember the Prado years?

  576. 576
    Bub Says:

    Great. Sutton says Heyward looks hurt.

  577. 577
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bobby lost this game.

  578. 578
    Bub Says:

    If Heyward hurt himself on that swing, just freaking shoot me. Go down to the pawn shop, get on the waiting list, go back and get the guns, purchase bullets, come to Jacksonville, and shoot me.

  579. 579
    Nate Says:

    At least Mac, Infante, and JJ came to play.

  580. 580
    Curt Says:

    Jason, please don’t take the fastball right down the middle for a called third strike when you are the tying run.

  581. 581
    Bub Says:

    Curt, I’m not sure he could swing at it. They said he looked like he may have hurt himself on the first swing.

  582. 582
    Nate Says:

    You can’t have Glaus and Chipper not hit in the middle of the order. It is not going to win games. How long until he figures it out? Geez. I’ll cut Gonzo some slack because he’s coming of illness, but yes, he is contributing absolutely nothing offensively. Like a .255 AVG. with 1 RBI since the trade.

  583. 583
    Nate Says:

    My guess is Infante could play the outfield better than Melky if ever given the chance. Regardless, he should play every day. No question. We would have been shut out if it wasn’t for Infante.

  584. 584
    Curt Says:

    Bub, the thumb? I was feeding the kids dinner so I only saw the end of the at bat.

  585. 585
    Bub Says:

    I dunno. This is what they said on the radio:

    “He swings and a foul… and Heyward is standing there like he hurt something”

    (Powell responds) “Yes he is… he touches the hip… and now he takes a little walk…”

    And then he never swung again.

  586. 586
    Curt Says:

    Fat Joe is pitching for the Phils tonight. Maybe the Nats can pull another out for us now that Dunn and Willingham are still there.

  587. 587
    Kate Says:

    Why was JJ charged with 5 ER? I thought the 5th run scored because of the Melky error.

  588. 588
    Bub Says:

    Kate, they got another hit after that, so if the runner had stayed at 2B after the double, he’d have scored on Nix’s hit.

  589. 589
    Bub Says:

    The Blanton Show has started, lol. Maybe we’ll stay at 3.5, that would be a blessing after this sillyassed game. I might could even laugh at Melky’s cartoon error.

  590. 590
    Bub Says:

    Any chance you guys could get the site set to return to the last page of comments after a submission? No biggie, just thought I’d ask.

  591. 591
    Nate Says:

    No Ryan Howard for the Sillies this evening. I wish our first baseman could get a day off.

  592. 592
    Nate Says:

    That really sucks for JJ. 2 starts in a row that the Braves should have won, but…

  593. 593
    Curt Says:

    Bub, I’ve asked about the same thing. It’s quite annoying. Steve is the IT guy so bust on him about it.

  594. 594
    Kate Says:

    So you can’t assume a double play in baseball, but you can assume a runner on 2nd scores on a single?

  595. 595
    Curt Says:

    Yankees picked up Berkman, Kearns and Kerry Wood and only took on $4.5 mill in salary

  596. 596
    Bub Says:

    I watched a little of a Yankees game the other day, and I came to two conclusions, neither of them being very original: 1. They are incredible to watch, that line-up stepping up there, megahitter after megahitter, and 2. I can’t hate them for being in the biggest city in the world, filling their stadium, and spending the money accordingly to create an unbelievable juggernaut.

    I hate the situation, but I can’t hate the team. If somehow the Braves started filling up the stands every night, and we still had WTBS, and flooded the organization with money, and Blank bought the team, wouldn’t you want him to do the same thing?

    I want to beat them. Nothing would be more satisfying. But they ARE amazing. They could win 115 games or more. They could sweep all the way to a WS championship. And as luck-driven as baseball is, that would be pretty awe-inspiring.

    The way they’re going, they’re probably going to end up building the most dominant team in baseball history. Yeah, it’s bought with Monopoly Money, but it’s still an unreal assembly of talent.

    That is all. I still hate them. But in a way, I don’t.

    (Yes, I’m aware Leah will never speak to me after this post. But the truth must live.)

  597. 597
    Bub Says:

    And, no, this is not the precursor of my abandoning the Braves again. That was the lamest week of my sports life.

  598. 598
    Bub Says:

    I’ve been awake for 27 hours. Wow.

  599. 599
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Not going to get much sleep in the dog house my friend.

  600. 600
    Bub Says:

    I sleep like a baby in the dog house, trust me I’ve got experience.

  601. 601
    Nate Says:

    Curt, I bet Blanco starts in KC.

  602. 602
    Bub Says:

    Nationals fail to turn a taylormade DP and the Phils strike. Dammit. This could be a crap day for real.

  603. 603
    Bub Says:

    Alright, boys and girls, I’m to bed. Happy Trade Day.

    Welcome a CF that isn’t Nate and a hard thrower that isn’t Chavez.

    PLEASE let Glaus get so bad in the legs he can’t even walk so we might have a prayer at Frederick Freeman.

  604. 604
    Mara Wanna Says:

    “I’m to bed.”. Haha…night Sleepy.

  605. 605
    Curt Says:

    Bub, one of the most important things I learned when I got married was to make sure you own a comfortable couch.

    I see your point on the yanks, and of course I would be thrilled to be in their situation, but it makes me want a salary cap. They should have to earn some of it. They are really developing no major league players. I know they have their 4 guys, but really no one of note in some time. I guess Hughes is close, but they just outspend everyone to the point of absurdity. Their payroll is now like $210 million. That’s Manchester United territory. I despise the Cowboys. I can’t imagine how
    much worse it would be if Jerry Jones could spend whatever he wanted on his team. Just make them work for it a bit.

    They don’t win every year which, along with revenue sharing, is the only thing keeping the other owners from crying foul.

  606. 606
    Curt Says:

    Oh, Nats……………….

  607. 607
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Of course Blanco will start in KC, they have even fewer outfielders that we do…

  608. 608
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Come on NATS!!!! Make my day!

  609. 609
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Shankyou very much.

  610. 610
    Curt Says:


  611. 611
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Do we feel better losing two from the Nats now that the “Troy’s” have done the same?

  612. 612
    Curt Says:


  613. 613
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Don’t mince words Curt. Give it to me straight.

  614. 614
    Kate Says:

    The Nationals asked for Tommy Hanson in exchange for Dunn.

  615. 615
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Paw paws getting the day off…both of them.

    ATL lineup: 1. Conrad 3B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Infante 2B, 4. McCann C, 5. Hinske 1B, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Ankiel CF, 8. Cabrera LF, 9. Hanson P

  616. 616
    Curt Says:

    Think I would rather have Infante batting lead off with Conrad 3rd. Anzious to see Ankiel. He’s played in Cincy a lot so maybe he can crush a few balls for us.

  617. 617
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’m excited about today’s game. What are the chances the Nats can sweep the phillies? Cause that would be awesome!

  618. 618
    Nate Says:

    Ankiel’s career numbers at Great American: 49 ABs, .143 AVG., 3 HR, 7 RBI. He has really good numbers at Citizen’s Bank, but I think we only have like 3 more games in Philly. His best numbers come from the #7 spot in the order.

  619. 619
    Nate Says:

    Very interested to see how Tommy responds against these guys.

  620. 620
    Mara Wanna Says:


  621. 621
    Nate Says:

    Mara, I think a sweep is definitely doable for the Nats against Hamels. Go Braves!

  622. 622
    Nate Says:

    a little luck?

  623. 623
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Seeing Brooks Conrad’s hands in person is on my bucket list.

  624. 624
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I think Gonzo feels better.

  625. 625
    Mara Wanna Says:

    That outside corner must be stretchy.

  626. 626
    Nate Says:

    Is Ryan Howard hurt? Cody Ransom just entered the game for him in the top of the 1st to pinch run. Ransom started for him last night…

  627. 627
    Nate Says:

    Ryan Howard may have broken his ankle…

  628. 628
    Mara Wanna Says:

    STOP hitting our players! I was about to rejoice in Howards potential injury but I’ll hold off.
    Dear Infante, please stop looking at the catcher when you are trying to steal 2nd. Run your ass off and see what happens. Thankyou, Princess

  629. 629
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Dear Ankiel, Patience is a virtue.

  630. 630
    Nate Says:

    They’re calling it a sprained ankle on Howard.

  631. 631
    Mara Wanna Says:

    1 run this game will not win.

  632. 632
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mac and Red’s catcher talking smack.

  633. 633
    Kate Says:

    8 LOB in 5 innings.

  634. 634
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Z ties it up for the Nats. In other news 5 walks + 1 run does not = productive outs or hits for that matter.

  635. 635
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Is it just me or is this game sssssllllllloooooooowwwww. Not complaining just observing.

  636. 636
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Come on Hanson…shut it down.

  637. 637
    Mara Wanna Says:


  638. 638
    Nate Says:

    Brutal. Just brutal.

  639. 639
    Jake Says:

    Braves, you need to wake up. The pitches will not come to you – you need to go get that pitch and figure out how to turn it into a hit. Maybe you don’t realize, that if you continue to play like this, you WILL finish in 4th place.

  640. 640
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Well said Jake an very very true.

  641. 641
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Hanson deserves a win. Stellar pitching today.

  642. 642
    Nate Says:


  643. 643
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’ll be honest…not that impressed with Ankiel.

  644. 644
    Kate Says:

    I’m guessing the show won’t be very positive this week.

  645. 645
    Curt Says:

    You guessed right

  646. 646
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Curt, you will be my favorite host if you can work in the phrase, “I love me some prunetinis!”

  647. 647
    Bub Says:

    Ugh, good game to sleep through.

    I can’t appreciate the frustrations properly not having sat through what must have been an excruciating game, so this might not properly cover it, but:

    1. Very nice to see Tommy shut down that offense in that park,
    2. Braves lost a series on the road to a great team, and
    3. We all knew a stretch like this would come.

    Yuck, Phillies just went ahead by a run. Ugh, but two runs. Crap, looking at 2.5 game lead unless they put Lidge in…

    The Braves should recover at home, and will have to improve next road trip or else…

    My dad, who by the way is so well recovered that he actually started back to work (he’s crazy) two weeks ago, just called, and is (probably) taking me to a Braves game the week before school starts back. Considering a lot of things I’ll spare you from, I’ll just say that would be pretty special. He said he thinks it would be the Dodgers, but I haven’t looked it up yet.

  648. 648
    Bub Says:

    Stupid Lidge…

  649. 649
    Nate Says:

    Bub, you definitely picked a good one to sleep through.

  650. 650
    Curt Says:

    Congrats on your dad. Let us know the game. We will all make it out so you and I can duke it out in the parking lot

  651. 651
    Bub Says:

    You should know I have a 3-1 lifetime record in drunken brawling.

    Of course… the 1 was a woman.

    If we do go, and any ABT’ers are there, I’d like to meet ya, though.

  652. 652
    Mara Wanna Says:

    If you go Saturday night make sure to brawl in the Orange lot. That’s where my parking pass is. Anne’s gonna be bummed she chose that weekend to go to the mountains with her shnookums.

  653. 653
    Mara Wanna Says:

    NY Times today said difference between Braves and Phillies was bullpen. They called Jonny Venters the best reliever in baseball. Yeah he is!!

  654. 654
    Bub Says:

    Some might say the offenses between the Braves and Phillies are SLIGHTLY different, too.


  655. 655
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Yeah well…NY Times failed to mention that.

  656. 656
    Curt Says:

    Bub, of course let us know when the game is. Steve and I would love to go to the game with you. That yankee Ham on the other hand……………

  657. 657
    Bub Says:

    Will do, Curt.

    Fair or foul: Glaus’s claim that he’s not hurt is based on these numbers:

    $0.25M roster bonus for 100 days on active 25-man roster
    performance bonuses: $0.35M each for 400, 450, 500 PAs; $0.4M for 550 PAs; $0.55M for 600 PAs

  658. 658
    Mara Wanna Says:

    So Curt you’ll meet up with Bub and his dad but not me and my Bff? Such a boys club. *sniff*

  659. 659
    Curt Says:

    Mara, poopie. You know I was out of town. Depends on when Bub’s game is, might be out for that one too.

  660. 660
    Mara Wanna Says:

    *sigh* men…#652 means I’m going to be at the game Saturday August 14th. I was trying to be clever. But I’ve had the pleasure of meeting some of you so if Bub’s pops takes him to a different game that weekend he should get dibs. Who knows..maybe we’ll all go to the same one. And I know you would want to meet me Curt cause, well, I’m royalty. New show?

  661. 661
    Steve Says:

    It’s up. No Steve so I was handling it and I am slow.

  662. 662
    Topher Says:

    Thanks for inotrdcuing a little rationality into this debate.

  663. 663
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