Really? KK is being pouty? That’s ludicrous with no more facts on the table than what you have. I guess that’s probably the most slanderous comments made on this show since I’ve been listening (admittedly, it’s still not that bad as slander goes…).
I’ve been calling for KK to be ousted from the rotation almost the whole year, but the guy has exhibited zero “victimy” conduct. He was asked the question, and didn’t even go into any detail, but had to be asked the same question twice before it was even clear. Talk about projecting.
This is your evidence:
1. He was great in Japan.
2. All people who were once great must become petulant if they lose their greatness.
Did I miss any?
Agreed that KK is the back-up plan for Minor, and failing that, could be showcased in the minors for a waiver trade.
Steve, I would agree that a Freeman call-up is inevitable if he was right handed. I think that might put it over the line for Bobby. But being a lefty and already having the lefty Hinske available + preserving the clock on Freeman + extra seasoning for Freeman might keep him down in Gwinnett unless Glaus literally sends us down to 3 games back with his poor play.
Wagner = Rocker & Wholers?? Come ON, a few blown saves. I agree he isn’t 100% great, but look around the league at K-Rod, Broxton, Capps, Wilson – they’ve ALL had stretches like this. I do agree Bobby should take some chances on a few Saito and Farnsworth saves. Freeman would help save Wags’ arms by putting us in fewer save situations, but I digress…
Hot tomatoes and the luck of the florist? You guys know some mushrooms don’t go in the spaghetti, yes?
I’ll go with the 4-2 crowd. Nervous and excited about Minor.
Good show, as always. Even if Ham burnt my cracker. (No idea what it means, but file it with lucky flowers and hot tomatoes…)
Steve, I love the Prado at 1st, Infante at 2nd idea. That’s the move I thought the organization would make last offseason. Both players have more than played their way into a starting role. Then, when Freeman’s ready, shift Prado to third if Chipper’s done or to 2nd (Infante to LF) if Chipper’s still wants to play in 2011. For right now, Prado at first could be a really nice fix if they don’t want Freeman in the bigs yet. I would also bat those two guys first and second everyday and drop Heyward to the 5th spot. Heyward could knock in a lot of runs with Prado-Infante-Chipper-Mac in front of him. Mac would also see better pitches with Heyward behind him.
Just to be clear – (since I feel that my points weren’t adequately summed up in Bub’s rebuttal) – the question was do I think that KK has been treated unfairly. And, quite simply, my response was no. So I’ll put this out there – what would you have them do? And obviously KK understands what his role was/is in the bullpen (whether he liked it or not), so what else are the Braves supposed to say to him? “Nothing’s changed?”
I just think that it was a very strong reaction from everyone over an interview that wasn’t so incendiary.
Agreed, Curtis. The sure handed Gonz has been anything but.
This is from a listener who wrote in about why Smoltz wasn’t at the Glavine ceremony:
I just wanted to let you know you were wondering why Smoltz wasnt at the Glavine ceremony. I just read the other day that he was trying to qualify for some golf tournament 3.5 hours away from Atlanta. He thought he wasnt gonna make it so he started driving back to attend the ceremony and they called him and said he made it so he had to turn back around and go back.
I remember hearing him say last Wednesday that he was going toward Savannah to golf and planning to return for the ceremony. I kind of want to believe him…and as you’ll recall, I’m not a Smoltz fan, per se.
That story about him playing in the golf tournament is true. it was the Georgia Open. He finished, as I just found out, in 29th place.
“Future Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz making his Georgia Open debut carded another solid round of two-under par round of 70 which included a hole-in-one on the 172 yard 8th hole. Smoltz used a 5-iron for his 6th career ace, but his first one in an organized competition. After a rough start, he was three over through three holes, but he turned it around with a birdie on the fourth hole. Smoltz improved his position from a tie for 34th place into a tie for 29th place.”
“Mara” Martin will be there all uniformed up, I’m sure! Hang out near the dugout during BP and call his name until he pops out like General Lee/Punxsutawney Phil. …and yes, I looked up that spelling. While I was at it, The Groundhog, so they say, “…is rumored to be fed a strict diet of banana pancakes but under no circumstances can he apply maple syrup.” Maybe Martin likes pancakes, too. Food keeps men around…a little something I’m sure you already know.
“And the other one that Gonzalez made – he never makes an error. We’ve been catching the ball just great.” – Bob Cox
I’m caught between ripping my shirt in twain and howling like a crazed wolf and … calmly dialing my shadiest friend to ask if he was kidding when he said he knows a real hit man who lives in Phoenix City. Which is the mature reaction?
Yeah, the Powell/Sutton team is starting to work my nerves, even though I love some of Jim’s calls. They get way too far away from the game. This is a pennant race for Pete’s sake. Definitely turning on some V. Scully in the next series.
Hah, for a second I thought Ankiel had either swallowed it or had the ball go inside his jersey like Conrad in Chicago. I’ll give Sutton credit, though, agonizing is the perfect word to describe every moment of Glaus’ play.
When we went to Miami to watch Braves-Marlins, my friend compared watching Glaus run the bases to watching her dad run the bases in his softball league. Her dad is a retired cop, is about 6′ 4″ 250, and wears a huge knee brace when he plays. Not a good comparison for a 33 year-old professional athlete.
I’ll have faith until we hear otherwise. they are saying tomorrow now for the MRI. glad he has a reference point from which to speak. And from personal experience, I sprained my ACL in a similar fashion (I fell down drunk at a bar) and it certainly made an audible popping sound. So it can make a sound and not be torn. I’ll keep my fingers crossed. Just seems like the Braves are not catching any breaks right now on the injury front.
I saw the time for us to make our move on Philly on the respective schedules just now. Philly owes a couple of make up games, turning their August 17th – September 8th stretch into a 24 games in 23 days guantlet. In the middle of it, while we’re hosting the Marlins and Mets, they’ll be visiting San Diego, the Dodgers, and a make up game with Colorado.
Curt, 201, made me have to clean coffee off of my floor do to spitting it during laughter. Nicely done. I’m kind of optimistic for a sprain. I remember watching a game on tv years ago where the Braves were playing the Expos in Montreal, and Brian Jordan slipped over first base trying to beat out a grounder and his knee bent backwards and made a V shape. It was pretty disgusting to watch. He came out of the game and many thought that was it for the year for Brian. It turned out to be a sprain and he was back days later. Granted, Chipper is nowhere near as agile and flexible as BJ, but I’ll remain optimistic. If his career ends on that play I will be very very sad for him.
Finally got to listen to the show partially due to time allowed after running out of gas on I 95N yesterday. The Officer who assisted me was very nice and only laughed a little which I appreciated. Anywho, i hate to bring KK up but I must have my say. If he spoke honestly with DOB then the club served him very ill indeed. However none of us really know how it was handled and the guy can’t even speak English so who knows what was misinterpreted or misunderstood. Either way, I don’t care how badly a guy is playing the bad stewardship of letting him sit and stiffen sickens me. He’s on the freaking roster…at least keep him ready to carry water or something. Maybe some of the fault should also be on KK. Take Martin Prado…on the DL but is more excited than anybody when Infante gets a leadoff hit. He keeps life in the dugout. Yes, I’m his biggest fan. Yes, seeing him bump his fists together before each at bat sends chills up my spine. I also think the success of a player has a lot to do with his attitude. Maybe I’m speaking out of both sides of my mouth but that just proves how very talented I am.
#209 – agreed, Bub. I don’t read a lot of sports articles, I’ll admit, but: is it typical that a player’s agent has so much to say in an article about their client? I bet SHE’s fun at a cocktail party…
Does Frenchy have an incentive claus on how many times he strikes out or grounds out? His moaning for more playing time against righties makes no sense. I agree with Bub, Frenchy’s an ass. Benching him is one of the better move Manuel has ever made as a manager. It cracks me up that his agent uses “we” when talking about needed plate appearances. I guess she’s going to spoon Frenchy in the box while he strikes out.
Ross calls a ton more breaking stuff from Tommy than McCann. Adding that to Ross’s superior defense (with Tommy’s please-steal-a-base delivery) and I think they should consider making it a full time deal.
I doubt they’ll do it, though. Hanson faced a lefty last time out and they batted McCann, so…
“he has to watch the play with only 1 out, but he did it wrong”…trying to understand. He was trying to see if he should have stopped at 3rd? Not being sarcastic…I’m sure it seems simple to most…I’m still learning.
Okay, what is up with this. I played Wizard of Oz DVD on my laptop while I was cleaning the kitchen and then when I was done and went to google to look something up, my Google was all decked out in Wizard of Oz decor.
Is everybody else’s Google all Wiz’d up, too, and it’s just a weird coincidence? Or is my privacy being invaded?
Steve, you’re probably right on Freeman. My guess is that Infante will stay at 2nd and Prado will move to 3rd when he’s back. Diory will have to stay on the team to be a back up infielder, but who do you call up to replace Chipper?
I meant his roster spot. I guess it could be Diory when Prado gets back, but it will be interesting to see what the Braves do in the meantime. I’m sure Conrad will continue to play 3rd until Prado is back. After that, I don’t know. Hard to justify putting Omar back on the bench with the way he’s hitting…
“Mara” – I’ve been meaning to say this and I’ll forget before the weekend: fingers crossed that Alan will be back – you’ll see him before I will, because I’ve handed away all of my weekend tickets. We’re trading states. You’ll be in GA and I’ll be in NC. PLEASE say hello for me and tell him I’ll see him Monday!
Oh, and Curt & Steve will be jealous to know that Ballpark Frank will be taking my day game tickets next Thursday.
Ok Anne. I’ll give him a big ole hug for ya. I really hate this for Chipper. Terrible way to potentially end a career. He was hitting great, really hitting his stride. That being said, I wonder when the last time was for Chipper to play 7 weeks without some unexplained/nagging injury. I guess what I mean to say is, while I hate that Chipper is hurt and out for the season was it realistic to expect him to continue playing so well? If we DO get somebody (and I don’t know who it’d be) or call up FF that seems better than Bobby continuing to play chipper with some tiny hinderance that goes unaddressed. Maybe I’m just attempting to find some silver lining.
“Let the speculation begin . . . we gotta make a move now, don’t we?”
I don’t think they feel they have to. Still have Infante and Conrad on the depth chart, so it isn’t desperate.
They’re talking about Chipper on Dodger radio right now. Lot’s of nice things. It’s hard for us to appreciate how much others think of him as a permanent fixture in the sport, and how weird it is for them to think of facing the Braves without seeing him.
I don’t like the Chone Figgins move (aside from the money stuff that Carroll Rogers just covered well on DOB’s new blog) because it doesn’t gain us much. If we bring someone in for 3rd base, then Prado moves back to 2nd and Infante is on the bench. In other words, you gain the new player and lose Infante. And Figgins’ line this year, in 494 PA’s is: .253 .343 .303
Infante’s numbers, in 287 PA’s is: .330 .360 .404. And he has 2 more homers (I’ll ignore Figgins’ 24 more stolen bases).
We don’t need less pop in the lineup. The only move that makes sense is bringing in someone who is significantly better than Infante with much more power.
I don’t like Gonzo batting 3rd. Hopefully having him and Glaus in the middle of the order is not the permanent solution. The lineup needs to have Prado-Infante-Heyward at the top once Prado is back. Steve, I agree there is no reason to still be batting Jason 2nd with no Chipper.
Why would you get rid of Yunel for character issues and then trade for Chone Figgins? The first one already made us a weaker team. Getting Chone might put us out of the postseason because Chone would play over Infante. Probably just a rumor…
Thanks for the Freddie updated. He had a rare 0-fer last night. Good to see him going.
Speaking of last night, Teheran pitched another good game. Gave up 2 dinky runs, but only 5 total baserunners in 7 innings. 2.70 ERA in four starts in Mississippi (bad debut followed by 3 great outings.)
Erase his first outing, and he’s got a 0.90 ERA.
0 for 12 with runners on base now. Unless they awarded Infante a sacrifice. Then it’d be 0 for 11.
FINALLY made it through torrential rain and stupid construction to get to the A-T-L. Listened to the game , very exciting! Hope the rain holds off tomorrow…rather tonight. Anne, we seriously could have passed eachother. Enjoy NC. Are you going to the Biltmore?
I just don’t see how the Braves can be relying this heavily on production from an obviously injured Troy Glaus, especially when they have 2 guys at AAA who are healthy, play the same position, and are hitting like crazy.
Really great, them Vanderbilts! Saw the Biltmore today – completely awesome – still 2nd, in my opinion, to Hearst Castle, but maybe it’s the Californian in me. Also saw Carl Sandburg’s house and hung out with his goats. Haven’t had a bum meal here in Asheville yet. GO Braves!!!
So bummed right now. You know what’s sad? It was a packed house and they were pumped. It was like everybody just knew one of the last three batters was gonna do something special. The team that played tonight doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
Freeman hit a HR last night. In the 2 games of the double header he went 3-6 with a HR, 2B, 2R, 2 RBI. He’s now batting .312. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised he hasn’t been called up. It fits with the absurdity of the Braves’ organization. This is the same organization that thinks Alex Gonzalez is a better SS than Yunel Escobar… Oh wait, that was because Yunel was messing up the highly valued team chemistry of the Braves. It’s just the ultimate slap in the face to see us not hitting anything and then to see our former SS hitting around .300 since the trade and not costing his new team games with his glove (Alex Gonzalez). Well, for a team with great chemistry, these guys hit nothing and play garbage defense, but at least they all like each other.
Sorry for the Esky mention, to those who hate our former SS. I wasn’t a big fan of some of his plays, but I really do think he is going to have a good career. He really impressed me with his hitting last year with runners on and with 2 outs and RISP.
Nate, on Escobar and the fact he’s done much better in Toronto. Can’t you also interpret it that he quit on Atlanta and could have been doing this all along? If so, isn’t that about the worst sin you can committ against your teammates (aside from what Jason Werth’s doing, I mean)?
Steve, very good point on his lack of effort being a very bad thing, but I never thought he was much worse than a young Andruw. Another reason for his success in Canada would probably be that he is seeing better pitches hitting 2nd in the Jays’ lineup. Anyway, for some reason he’s playing better now. Gonzo had a heck of a game today, though. I really hope he starts to heat up. The Braves really need it.
I was going to say I just woke up, but apparently I’m still asleep and dreaming…
Steve, #394 is a very high possibility to me. Not a definite, but between “doing well on a fresh start” and “punked out to get traded,” I lean strongly toward B.
Time will tell. If Escobar becomes permanently productive with no more “attitude slumps” (remember when Atlanta let his friend go and Esco went in the tank?), then I believe we can rule out him flopping on purpose. I’ve never, EVER seen those tendencies not repeat themselves endlessly with players that have them. If it never repeats in Toronto, I’ll have to conclude that Bobby and the gang could have done better at getting along with him.
Great game. Nate, good to hear 96 on the radar from Jair, that’s excellent. We’ve got three pitchers hitting great strides, and two doing their jobs well enough.
“Now we can revert back to normal and score 2 runs a game for the next 3 weeks.”
I guess you’re just being flip. There are no 3 week stretches in the season, not even in April, where the Braves scored 2 runs per game. I would be surprised if there were any where they scored 3 runs per game. They averaged 3.9 runs per game from opening day until they’re lowest point of the season, May 9th.
In fact, what many overlook is that, while the offense obviously improved from April/early May (3.9 RPG) to the hot streak of May 10 till the break (5.0 Runs Per Game), the pitching improved almost as dramatically at the same time, dropping from 4.4 runs allowed per game down to 3.5 runs allowed per game.
We are now in between. In the second half, still allowing only 3.5 runs per game, but now only scoring around 4.3 runs per game.
I know that’s a garbledy post, so here are the numbers again in plain sight:
TJ for Meds is happiness, Mara. You don’t want a partially torn ligament haunting you every outing, waiting for the rubber band to pop.
We’ll have a brand new Medlen this time next year. Teheran will also be ready then. We don’t have much breathing room between now and then, but if we can get there, we’ll be set like never before in pitching.
Nate, last I heard was a 6 week rehab somewhere in Florida. It’s been 6 weeks since the injury – in fact, almost exactly, as I believe it was around July 1. Talking Chop hasn’t mentioned it lately – unless I missed it – and they usually keep pretty close track.
Broader point I was trying to make was that we tend to score lots of runs in 1 game and then hibernate for a few. But hopefully May Troy will now get going and he can carry us now that the Chipster is done.
Curt, not to drag this out, but most teams feel like their offense either scores a bunch or nothing. Since the Braves have averaged between 4 and 5 runs per game whether hot or cold, I’m going to assume that the zero, one, and two run games are the ones that qualify for “nothing,” and we’ll let the Braves off the hook for the “ALL” half of all-or-nothing. Mainly because I don’t want to count any more stuff.
So, how many times have the Braves scored zero, one, or two runs? 28 times.
Meanwhile, the Phillies, who have scored more runs than the Braves, have a whopping THIRTY SIX games in which they’ve scored zero, one, or two runs.
(And since they’ve scored more in total, you know that means they’ve had more big-scoring games on the top end of all-or-nothing.)
So, in any case, in whatever sense it’s true that the Braves have an all or nothing offense, it’s more true for the Phillies. Since I didn’t check any other teams, for all I know the Phillies are the worst all-or-nothing offense in the game, and the Braves are 2nd. I don’t know. But I doubt it.
Okay, had to check the Yankees. Used 0, 1, 2, and 3 runs for the nothing end of their offense because they score 5 and a half runs per game. 39 times they fell to the nothing end. Lots of zeros and ones in there, too.
So, on the skimpy end of all-or-nothing, the Braves have shot a “nothing” 28 times, the Phils 36 times, and the Yankees 39 times.