October 10, 2010

Show #129: The Braves Even the Series with the Giants

Mid-series show, breaking down games 1 and 2.  And looking ahead to the rest of the series.


 

 

214 Responses to “Show #129: The Braves Even the Series with the Giants”

  1. 1
    Craig Says:

    Hallelujah for Saturday shows and surprising heroics from Ankiel and Glaus. Stressing hard about Sun/Mon games, and looking forward to Hanson and cyber-Hanson’s tweets.

  2. 2
    Craig Says:

    Make that Hudson and cyborgHanson’s tweets. Sorry, long day/night in Athens Saturday…

  3. 3
    Steve Says:

    Hey Craig. Thanks for the comment.

  4. 4
    Shep Says:

    Thanks for getting this posted before game 3. It’s a nice alternative to suffering through a network pre-game show!

  5. 5
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Oh the red uniforms. Love them!

  6. 6
    Mara Wanna Says:

    *naked nostril blow*. You are pitching in national TV! Yuck!

  7. 7
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Brooks is killing me.

  8. 8
    Mara Wanna Says:

    KILL-ING!

  9. 9
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Way too many pitches for Huddy and not nearly enough for that other guy.

  10. 10
    Steve Says:

    Feels like it’s 6-0 here at the stadium.

  11. 11
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Steve, I think I just saw you! Did you paint your chest and beer belly half red, half blue, with a big white A?

  12. 12
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Have I mentioned how I despise Cody Ross?

  13. 13
    Mara Wanna Says:

    You have got to be kidding me! Brooks totally held up.

  14. 14
    Bubdylan Says:

    I just tuned in. No hits and 2 errors. Yuck. I’m going to guess at least one was by Senor Conrad?

  15. 15
    Mara Wanna Says:

    How did reneged let Posey leave GA? Can’t he play something other than C?

  16. 16
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Reneged=”we let” in iPhone correction world.

  17. 17
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I know what’s wrong with Heyward. They just said TP has been working with him. It’s all starting to make sense.

  18. 18
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I miss Meadow.

  19. 19
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bub, do you leave him in?

  20. 20
    Bubdylan Says:

    No, wouldn’t. But I don’t feel that strongly about it.

  21. 21
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Deep breath. That was too close. One more K.

  22. 22
    Bubdylan Says:

    He’s up in the zone. Yeah, would be feeling a little better with the pen here.

  23. 23
    Mara Wanna Says:

    YESSSS! Now, I’m no genius but we might need to get multiple hits in one inning if we want to win this game.

  24. 24
    Bubdylan Says:

    Whew. I’m glad Alex Gonzalez dressed as a Giant and took that AB. :)

  25. 25
    Bubdylan Says:

    We have more errors than hits. Didn’t we pull that off in game 1 as well?

  26. 26
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Lol.

  27. 27
    Mara Wanna Says:

    So frustrating. However, most errors have been made by our 3rd string infielder.

  28. 28
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Mac, P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!

  29. 29
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Disgusting snottiness on the mound. Someone should forewarn the grounds crew.

  30. 30
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Double poops! This game is not helping my migraine.

  31. 31
    Ham Says:

    This is just horrid. I have spent the past 2.5 hours screaming at my phone, and now I am going to spend the rest of the night yelling at my computer. Ugggh.

  32. 32
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Did I just see EOF in the bullpen?

  33. 33
    Ham Says:

    It has to happen here. This is the inning. Granted, we have the Gonz, Connie, and Plastic Man coming up, but it has to happen here.

  34. 34
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Super Plastic Man to you. Gonzy!!!!

  35. 35
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  36. 36
    Bubdylan Says:

    I love Conrad, but he sucks.

  37. 37
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Listen to that crowd. I hope Troy is The Trojan today.

  38. 38
    Ham Says:

    Conrad bolstering his campaign as LVP of the NLDS.

  39. 39
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I hope Eric is The Hero today.

  40. 40
    Bubdylan Says:

    Conrad: the little engine that could. For a minute. Before the wheels jammed up and derailed the little engine who went careening down the mountain side where it smashed into a school and killed all the children and set the town on fire.

  41. 41
    Bubdylan Says:

    GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. 42
    Bubdylan Says:

    HIS NAME

    IS

    EPIC
    HINSKE!!!!

  43. 43
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Hinske is the $h*t!!!!!!!! I want MORE!!!!!

  44. 44
    Bubdylan Says:

    MORE SH*T!
    MORE SH*T!
    MORE SH*T!

  45. 45
    Bubdylan Says:

    Ugh, stupid Ross.

  46. 46
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bub, #40 is good stuff.

  47. 47
    Ham Says:

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOinske!

  48. 48
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Oh well. Hold ‘em!

  49. 49
    Bubdylan Says:

    Time to put the Giants on Craig’s List. 8)

  50. 50
    Ham Says:

    alright, kid kimbrel. Get it done!

  51. 51
    Bubdylan Says:

    Out #1 squeezed by the sure-handed Conrad.

  52. 52
    Anne Says:

    Holy crap holy crap holy crap…BELIEVE!!!

  53. 53
    Mara Wanna Says:

    If Conrad droppe that ball we woulda seen Steve rush the field.

  54. 54
    Anne Says:

    The quick camera glance to Lincecum in the dugout looked like a girl. A scared girl.

  55. 55
    Bubdylan Says:

    99 mph.

    damn.

  56. 56
    Bubdylan Says:

    Ruh roh, Raggy.

  57. 57
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Double play pleeeeeeeeeease!

  58. 58
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Bobby Cox’s future is apparently very bright.

  59. 59
    Bubdylan Says:

    There’s a strike.

    Ugh. A rookie’s early career being made or broken right here.

  60. 60
    Bubdylan Says:

    SIT DOWN BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. 61
    Bubdylan Says:

    Uh, insert a “*” in above post. Sorry.

  62. 62
    Bubdylan Says:

    LOOK AT THE KID GO!!!! ONE MORE STRIKE, BABY!!! COME ON!!!!

  63. 63
    Bubdylan Says:

    crap
    crap
    crap
    crap
    and
    crap.

    Aubrey Huff now.

  64. 64
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Why the drama? We cannot let them score. Kimmy the kid did look awesome.

  65. 65
    Bubdylan Says:

    Yeah, but… Mike Dunn?

    Umm… okay.

    Kimbrel has gotten Huff out. Dunn gave him a hit. And Kimbrel’s already gotten through the nerves of this outing.

    Sigh.

    Here’s hoping.

  66. 66
    Anne Says:

    Dunn…da dunn dunn…DUNNNNNNNNN!

  67. 67
    Bubdylan Says:

    Also, Huff has ZERO drop off from RHP to LHP.

    All things fans know, alas, Bob… not so much.

    GRUMPY NOW!

  68. 68
    Bubdylan Says:

    STRIKE ONE!

    Now, no more in the zone, Mike…

  69. 69
    Bubdylan Says:

    Disaster.

  70. 70
    Mara Wanna Says:

    That’s not how this inning played out in my head.

  71. 71
    Bubdylan Says:

    I hope the next manager knows a damn reverse split or two. Unbelievable.

  72. 72
    Ham Says:

    fric frac smack. That stunk. And now we have pretty much burned through our bullpen. Get ready for some Beachy.

    Confidence is definitely shaken.

  73. 73
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I hate Brooks Conrad.

  74. 74
    Bubdylan Says:

    Frgive an typos as I jst stabbed out my eyes wth a mchanical pncil.

  75. 75
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Not really. But right now…kinda.

  76. 76
    Kate Says:

    I think Conrad has LVP locked up.

  77. 77
    Ham Says:

    COOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!! (that looks like coon, but it is supposed to sound like Kahn).

    Why is he still in the game? Isn’t this where you bring Diory in?

  78. 78
    Bubdylan Says:

    This could go down as the most heart breaking ballgame in Braves history.

  79. 79
    Ham Says:

    This is fixin to suck.

  80. 80
    Bubdylan Says:

    Well.. Atlanta Braves… this year… in the post season… the most heartbreaking ballgame all day at the very least.

  81. 81
    Bubdylan Says:

    NATE MCLOUTH????

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAH!!!

    JUST SHOOT ME IN THE FACE WITH A BAZOOKA PLEASE!!!

  82. 82
    Mara Wanna Says:

    How did we get in the playoffs? I miss Chipper, Meadow and Wags.

  83. 83
    Bubdylan Says:

    Why didn’t they let Nate pinch run and freaking Ross hit?

    Screw,
    screw,
    screw.

  84. 84
    Bubdylan Says:

    Dear Bobby Cox, lefty-versus-righty is not the only factor in all of the game of baseball.

    Other factors include:

    sucking versus not sucking.

    Example: you versus other managers.

    Yours Ever,

    Bub

  85. 85
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Dies it make a difference that Nate was already in the game? I honestly don’t know.

  86. 86
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Just in time to watch the Phillies win…fantastic.

  87. 87
    Bubdylan Says:

    Oh.

    Yes. Yes it does.

    Ignore me. My heart is bursted.

  88. 88
    Ham Says:

    wow – there goes Mo. In a big way.
    I don’t know what the solution to this is, but it has to be something that doesn’t include Conrad, right? He has done very little at the plate and a whole lot of pooping in the field. Must stop. I am sure he is likable, but so is Steve. And I do not want Steve playing second base. Although at this point, it might be a better option.

  89. 89
    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve at 2B. Do it. Curt in CF.

  90. 90
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’ll play catcher. I’m tough and can take the pain!

  91. 91
    Bubdylan Says:

    If I make it through this night without alcohol, I’m freaking cured for EVER.

  92. 92
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Be strong Bub. You can do it. I BELIEVE!

  93. 93
    Bubdylan Says:

    Actually, I have to do it. It’s Sunday. :(

    Maybe there’s a lortab somewhere up this piece.

  94. 94
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Good job kid. *slaps Bub’s butt Bobby Cox style*

  95. 95
    Bubdylan Says:

    Holy Moses. They actually made the ESPN headline:

    “Conrad Errors Lift Giants by Braves.”

    It really starts to feel like there really are baseball gods and they really, truly, actually, hate the Atlanta Braves and their fans.

  96. 96
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Poor Conrad. Huddy says they love him more than ever which must make him feel worse than EVER.

  97. 97
    Bubdylan Says:

    I dunno. I think that would make me feel better. I mean, if he’d said some garbage about it not really being his fault, that would be worse. But “love,” that’s good stuff.

  98. 98
    Bubdylan Says:

    What makes it so awful is that Brooks is a marginal player already. This is almost definitely the end of his major league career. It’s not like when Uggla got the yips in the all star game. This will be his baseball story for his entire life: clutch heroics from a Hollywood script during the regular season, and then the Coen Brothers took over the writing for the playoffs.

    Hell, I think I’m about to write him a fan letter of support or something. I honestly feel *almost* as bad for Conrad as I do about the game being lost.

  99. 99
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I think that’s a great idea. He’ll unfortunately get plenty of the other kind. Tell him i only hated him for a little bit.

  100. 100
    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m also sending him a book called “How to Budget $450,000 so that it lasts the rest of your life”

  101. 101
    Bubdylan Says:

    From Rob Neyer:

    Heading into the top of the ninth inning, the Braves held a one-run lead. Conrad had been charged with two errors already, plus another in Game 1. Leaving sentiment aside, was there a good reason to not replace Conrad with Hernandez? For just one inning? And if Hernandez isn’t markedly better with the glove than Conrad, then why don’t the Braves have someone who is? It’s not like the entire baseball world doesn’t know that Conrad’s all bat and no glove.

    If the Giants had lost Game 3, the goats would have been Sergio Romo and Bruce Bochy (for using Romo). But the Braves lost, so instead Brooks Conrad gets to wear the goat horns.

    I can’t help thinking, though, that we should save one of those horns for Bobby Cox. Because Brooks Conrad shouldn’t have been on the field when all the bad stuff happened.

  102. 102
    Curt Says:

    As Scott has said several times, apparently there is a reason he only made the majors when he was 30. A brutal turn of events tonight. As raucous and loud as I have ever heard a Braves game, and after the Hinske homer the place was exploding. Just so disappointed right now I can’t stand it. And all these ‘experts’ keep saying that Conrad stays in there tomorrow. Not sure how that is possible, even with the limited options we have. There has to be another option. Diory at 3rd, Infante at 2nd? Anything. I’m really just stunned. The Braves found every way they could to quiet 55k people.

  103. 103
    Bubdylan Says:

    Here’s to you, Brooks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIHMN1rFi9s

    “Sometimes you’re the windshield. Sometimes you’re the bug.”

    I’m to bed.

  104. 104
    Ham Says:

    I agree. This one is on Bobby more than anyone. Oi, it still hurts. How do you leave Conrad in there? How can you do that? Just a brutal brutal loss.

  105. 105
    Steve Says:

    There is just no way that Conrad plays today. I refuse to believe that he’s in the starting line up.

  106. 106
    Steve Says:

    All – I’ll be back on Sports Talk with Richard Cross this afternoon at 5:15 Eastern. Check it out if you can on the live stream at 5:15. http://sportstalkrc.com/

  107. 107
    Wiley Says:

    Conrad really better start. He has too.
    What are your other options? Glaus? Hernandez? Hinske?

    Why Glaus wont work:
    Glaus has had two shoulder surgeries and suffered from foot issues in 2007 and knee fatigue only a month or two ago. His body is unfit for playing the field especially at such a reaction based and lateral position like the hot corner. Not to mention he has started 2 games since Aug 17 and has not started at third regularly since 2008. You all know better than anyone that each position change takes an adjustment.

    One might argue that Glaus could bring something to the plate. Well, thats not likely imao. He batted .330 in May (.210 in every other month), has hit 2 HRs since June 20th and 16 RBI since June 20th as well. Sure his postseason numbers are staggering, but he hasnt been there since 2004. He’s a different player and he would be a downgrade from Conrad.

    Why Hernandez wont work:
    Hernandez from a defensive standpoint is very, very athletically capable. However, hes played a mere 11 games at 2nd base since 2008 (4 in the mlb only one of them was a start which was in 2009). He also hasnt regularly played since Aug 1st.

    As for Hernandez with the bat, its abismal. He has had 10 PA in the mlb this year with 1 Hit (A HR granted) but his most recent being September 9th (A strikeout). Hernandez would be an automatic out, no way around it.

    Why Hinske wont work:

    His bat is great. Fantastic, clutch. (see last night).

    The man has played 1 inning of third base this year. You cannot put a guy with all kinds of rust at a position he might as well have not played all year and not with regularity since 2004 (his rookie year).

    As an overall summary, Conrad is our best option. He is dealing with a SEVERE mental block but he has a better chance of overcoming that than glaus does physically, hernandez does at the plate or the field, and hinske at third. Conrad is the last guy I want to do this job, but hes really the only option.

  108. 108
    Wiley Says:

    If you’re going to the Ted tonight. Do the Braves a favor and cheer on Mr. Conrad . . . he needs it now more than ever.

  109. 109
    Curt Says:

    Braves have hit .165 with 37 strikeouts in three games.

    Giants SP ERA is 0.32

    Wiley, I agree with the overall assessment, but Conrad is shot. He almost ran over Lee on a play that was certainly not his to make. He isn’t sure which base to throw it to. And if you don’t think he isn’t an automatic out at the plate, you didn’t watch him pop up a bunt last night. He’s a detriment to the team right now.

    There are no great options out there, but one of them has to be better than leaving Conrad in.

  110. 110
    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m calling Atlanta 7, Giants 1 for tonight’s game. Any takers?

  111. 111
    Bubdylan Says:

    Braves lineup for Game 4 Tuesday

    1.Infante 2B
    2.Diaz LF
    3.Lee, 1B
    4.McCann C
    5.Gonzalez SS
    6.Heyward RF
    7.Glaus 3B
    8.Ankiel CF
    9.Lowe RHP

  112. 112
    Bubdylan Says:

    Tuesday? I just cutted and pasted, so blame the writers.

  113. 113
    Steve Says:

    Line up: 1. Infante 2B, 2. Diaz LF, 3. Lee 1B, 4. McCann C, 5. Gonzalez SS, 6. Heyward RF, 7. Glaus 3B, 8. Ankiel CF, 9. Lowe P

    Well, I’m glad the Conrad question has been answered. Wiley, at the end of the day, there are no good options, but keeping Conrad out was a must. For the team, for him, for the fans, for his Mom – he just could not go out there again.

    Interesting lineup from Bobby. Good to see him move Heyward down. And to keep Glaus low. Now, to start really worrying about Glaus at 3rd.

  114. 114
    Steve Says:

    Bub – re your 110, I want to be on board. I really thought that was how last night’s game was going to be, however. I’m really shaken at this point.

    My son and I will be there tonight. Live tweets from yours truly from the Ted. Follow along.

  115. 115
    Bubdylan Says:

    You thought we score a lot off Sanchez??

  116. 116
    Anne Says:

    Steve, will you follow Curt’s lead and play PunchBraves (much like Punch Bug, only wildly different) with your kid every time something doesn’t go our way? Go Braves!!

  117. 117
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I put part of the responsibility for the loss in game 3 to McCann.

    As a veteren catcher, he should have know better than to throw a breaking pitch to a batter than has shown he is late on the fastball (every fastball, that at bat). Throwing the breaking pitch doesn’t trick him, it just speeds up his bat.

    You throw the fastball again, in a different place.

    If Mac called for the breaking pitch, that was a mistake. If Kimbrel shook him off, that is the time to go to the mound and explain it to the rookie.

  118. 118
    Steve Says:

    M in M – I totally agree. Sanchez looked lost and overmatched by the first 2 fastballs. Should have kept going with what was working.

    Bub (#115) – My assumption was not based on a lot of logic or anything. I just thought that the stirring comeback Friday night would lead to an offensive breakout last night. Not one of my stronger feelings, clearly.

    As I sit and think about Glaus at 3rd, with our ground ball pitcher on the mound tonight, we could be looking at more errors than Brooks had last night. I’m not second guessing Bobby on this, you couldn’t play Brooks and neither Glaus nor Diory are great options. I’m fine with going with the playoff experience. But, it could be exceptionally ugly.

  119. 119
    Bubdylan Says:

    I think Troy will be alright out there. You have to be mentally, not just physically, messed up to butcher the position as badly as Conrad. And don’t you get the feeling that the transparency, eagerness to please, and child-like passion that makes us love Conrad so much also makes him very vulnerable to mental befuddlement?

    To go in there and play the infield for ATL now, with the spotlight on it so bright, you need a little icewater in your veins. That’s Glaus, at least more so than Brooks. Glaus probably also has at least a tiny chip on his shoulder, which helps.

    I think Glaus will play one or zero error ball tonight. His body’s not as good, but his muscles know that position by heart and most importantly his emotions will be steadier.

  120. 120
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    THE cliche:

    “Don’t get beat with your second best pitch”

  121. 121
    Ham Says:

    I am having to work late, so i am following the game on MLB Gameday. It looks like DLowe’s sinker is up in the zone. That makes me nervous. Should I relax? Is it misrepresented?

    How is the atmosphere at the Ted? Tentative or ferocious?

  122. 122
    Ham Says:

    Moment of truth here for the Trojan. GO TROY!!!!!

  123. 123
    Ham Says:

    Time to see how much Lowe REALLY cares about contributing. C’Mon Derek!!!!

  124. 124
    Ham Says:

    Well . . . there you have it. Arrrrggghhhh.

  125. 125
    Anonymous Says:

    Braves are in the lead. Braves are hitting! Wow. Keep it up boys.

  126. 126
    Curt Says:

    Ham, crowd is rocking, but not quite as big as last night, which I’m sure will be the lead story on ESPN tonight.

    Lowe looks good so far. Spotting away. Braves manufacturing some runs. Hold your breath

  127. 127
    Anonymous Says:

    Most of our outs have been long flyouts. A lot better than K’s.

  128. 128
    Velocipastor Says:

    Good play, Glaus. Way to throw out Posey.

  129. 129
    Ham Says:

    There goes the no-hitter. And any sense of calm that I had started to fabricate.

  130. 130
    Curt Says:

    That was a hanger. Freaking Cody Ross.

  131. 131
    Ham Says:

    Oh dear . . . do you pull Lowe here or do you (gulp) turn it over to the bullpen?

  132. 132
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Uh…is this good?

  133. 133
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Love the “let’s go D. Lowe”chant.

  134. 134
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ok…that was pointless.

  135. 135
    Ham Says:

    Oh double dear. G’night, Derek. Thank you for a gem. Gutty performance – let’s hope the BP picks him up. Seriously, let’s hope. All of us . . . together . . . right now.

  136. 136
    Curt Says:

    Always walk 2 guys in an inning. SF sure does seem to have a looser strikezone than the Braves do.

  137. 137
    Mara Wanna Says:

    If he needs to break something I hope he uses a bat.

  138. 138
    Ham Says:

    Really? Moylan?

  139. 139
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nerrrrrrrvoussssss.

  140. 140
    Curt Says:

    Can Conrad play short? Give me a break.

  141. 141
    Ham Says:

    Oh c’mon! What is going on!?!?!?! Curtis, wake up the kids . . .

  142. 142
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Two huge runs on two bad calls this series.

  143. 143
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Ok, I know we’re losing but that was crazy awesomeness. Matty D! Now please score like 5 runs.

  144. 144
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Baseball gods hate us and Bobby Cox.

  145. 145
    Ham Says:

    well – the Boys have the opportunity to pull another come from behind victory out. We got em just where we want em! LET’S GO!

  146. 146
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Why Melky for Diaz?

  147. 147
    Curt Says:

    righty/lefty

  148. 148
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’m tired of losing.

  149. 149
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Melky for Diaz might make sense if Melky could run in LF any faster than my 5 year old.

  150. 150
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Is it me or did it seem like the play at 1st should have been closer? Did Gonzy slow up?

  151. 151
    Curt Says:

    I’m tired of giving games away. Make them earn it for cuss sake

  152. 152
    Mara Wanna Says:

    MFer! Gonzolez is in the same class as Adam LaRoche.

  153. 153
    Mara Wanna Says:

    I miss Escobar…that’s how pissed I am.

  154. 154
    Bubdylan Says:

    *throws up*

    Well, that’s over.

  155. 155
    Curt Says:

    Hey look, it’s a team other than the Braves celebrating in Atlanta.

  156. 156
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Out of all the players on this year’s roster I want to see Alex Gonzalez GONE the most. He is on my all time “do not like list”.

  157. 157
    Kate Says:

    I want to see Melky gone the most.

  158. 158
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Honestly, I’m proud of everyone except our SS. To be competitive without our veteran, our MVP, two top relievers and our closer shows a lot of heart. Lots of magic this year. It was amazing.

  159. 159
    Mara Wanna Says:

    Is anyone else mad at Alex? I can’t get over it! It’s an elimination game! Run dammit!!! I don’t care how “out” you feel!

  160. 160
    Nate Says:

    Good year for a mostly young team. That said, I am even more pissed about the Escobar trade than I was when it went down. Our MVP from 2009 has a bad first half and gets traded? What a joke. The guy definitely had a better 2nd half than the Gonz. Maybe he would have gotten the necessary change he needed with a new coaching staff in ATL next year. I guess we’ll never know.

  161. 161
    Curt Says:

    I’m more disappointed in how we lost than the fact that we lost. We were doomed with all the injuries, so it was only a matter of time, but the sloppy play really got to me. And yes, Gonzalez not running kind of sums it up. I know that a play like that is over so quick that you think the play is done before you can get going, but you never know what will happen.

    And going forward, even with all your guys back – and Medlen is gone all next year – unless there is a real commitment to build a full team, you are simply going to end up in the same place you find yourself tonight. On the outside, looking in.

  162. 162
    Ham Says:

    I am just sickened by this loss. Even though it feels like it was inevitable in hindsight, I just feel disgusted. I don’t want to poo-poo on a great season, but we shouldn’t have gone out like that. And as much as Bobby is to blame for some of this, I hate to see him go out like that. I can’t say anything nice right now, so I am going to bite my tongue.

    Man, this just stinks.

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    Nate Says:

    Well said, Ham. I’ve never been a big Bobby fan, but the way our guys played in the postseason and down the stretch was mostly pathetic. we dropped like 13 games to the Phils after late July. The Phillies aren’t going to be much worse next year. The Braves have to add another bat to the outfield. It seems unlikely that Gonzo won’t be on the team next year, so the OF bat is a necessity, imo. I like our core of Prado, Infante, Mac, and Heyward. Hopefully Chipper returns to the form he was in when he went down. I haven’t seen enough of Freeman to know what he will do at the ML level. Please can we get an actual clean-up hitter, or at the very least another outfielder who can hit more than 20 homers. The scrap heap of guys who should be strictly off the bench players is just not going to get it done.

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    Vinny Says:

    I cannot put it into words. I am so sad Bobby is gone. I cannot blame Bobby for this, but can only point it towards Conrad. Almost every single run this series has been scored on an error. It is a horrible way for a legend to leave the game. I really hope we can build on this season after such a heartbreaker.

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    Nate Says:

    Yeah, Bobby can’t field or hit for the guys. Just look at our players batting averages during this series and the number of errors. Just awful.

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    Wiley Says:

    Trying to be optomistic at a time like this is difficult. No doubt about it. The Umps gave two runs to the giants (game winners at that) and secondly We gave that series away with several mental and physical errors. And worst of all, Bobby is gone.

    But, hey, Curt, Steve, and Hammy didn’t you all agree in the preview show that you felt like the ownership was mailing this season in? I mean if a mailed in season means a wild card birth then I cant wait until we really go for it next year. We have such a young and good looking club that I cant wait for March 31st in DC. Only 170 days!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I’ve enjoyed following the Braves this year on ABT. The podcast has become the center of my fandom really. The motherblog is too crowded and mlb.com is vile. My parents are both Braves fans, but it’s not an everyday thing. This has been just the right size and mix. I wish I’d been less socially retarded, but I’ve always known you guys would weave and bob around my weirdness, which is comforting. I’ll resist the urge to link up the Cheers theme song. Happy offseason and Go Braves!

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    Steve Says:

    Hey everybody. I gotta tell you, I have a totally opinion about all this (not that I’m contradicting anything your saying re Gonzo, Conrad, etc.), but the bottom of the 9th inning, at the ballpark. was really cathartic for me. The moment it began the energy in the crowd went crazy. Then Brooks came up and the place went bonkers. Which I was really glad about. It felt like a heartfelt apology. And the crowd didn’t let up the whole rest of the way. And, most importantly, it wasn’t like the end of the losing playoff series for the past 10 years. In other words, the final at-bats were not emotionless give-aways. They were great at-bats. The guys were clawing and scratching. And even when it was all over, Bobby took a curtain call, the place went crazy again, they were showing a Bobby video on the screen. All in all, if they were going to lose, it was not a bad way to go out.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – thanks for that.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Nice to have a report from the park, Steve. It would have been a much more miserable night for the boys if they’d lost it in SF. Bobby’s last game ought to have been in Atlanta and… let’s face it… there’s something old shoe about it being a playoff loss. Contrasting that to the crappy team trip back to Atlanta. Yuck. Definitely better this way, if they were going to lose.

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    Anne Says:

    Echoing Bub…thanks, ABT Fellas – let’s do this all again next year in a lot of the same ways.
    Now, then: who’s our new Skipper gonna be?

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    Nate Says:

    Yeah, ABT is awesome. You guys really do a great job. I have really enjoyed listening to the podcasts and reading the comments every week. I’m with Bub, this site is so much better than the mother blog. I look forward to following in the future…

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    Hanson + Heyward = World Series Ring Says:

    Hey guys,

    Not to rush y’all, but when’s the next broadcast going to be? And I apologize if it’s already been stated on here numerous times but I’m too dang lazy to go and try to find it.

    Also, will the end of the Braves’ season allow you three to devote more attention to Atlanta Football Talk?

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    Curt Says:

    We need to figure that out. Should be this weekend at the latest. got to let the disappointment wash off.

    Thanks for all the kind words and for following us again this year. spring training will be here before you know it.

    if it isn’t fredi gonzalez i will be stunned.

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    Hanson + Heyward = World Series Ring Says:

    Yeah, Curt, I hear ya. Let the disappointment wash off, maybe get a little perspective…heck, maybe they’ll already have announced that Fredi’s going to be the guy by the weekend. Probably not, but they could.

    You guys are great — love listening to your show, even when it’s been a bad week. Even given our performance in the playoffs, we’ve got a lot to look forward to next year.

    I’ll also say that I think Chipper’s got an excellent point that, if full strength, the Braves could’ve taken the Giants. The Braves team that was in the playoffs wasn’t the same as the one that played 162 regular season games that got them to the playoffs. That’s no excuse, because such are the ways of baseball, but looking forward to next year, it gives me a little hope.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I can’t stand ABT. :)

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Or that Bub guy. Juuuuuuust kiddiiiiiing. You all know Bub’s my fave and ABT has taught me more about baseball than I ever thought I could hold in my tiny brain. Did anyone see the press conference after the game? I haven’t had the chance but plan too. It’s hard to think about what could have been without so many injuries but isn’t that part of the organizations job? Maybe if both our first basemen, two of our outfielders and, yes even our awesome closer weren’t on their last leg we wouldn’t have broken down so badly. Martin wouldn’t have had to play every daggum day. Our rookie could have taken a mental break or two. I don’t really know what I’m talking about but I love this team and this podcast. Go braves! Let the count down begin!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    What do we think in the final analysis about Terry Pendleton?

    And do we think he will be the hitting coach in 2011?

    My answers are boo and no, respectively.

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    Wiley Says:

    Hello Fredi Gonzalez. Welcome to Atlanta. May the Baseball Gods be with you as you try to fill Bobby’s shoes.

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    Curt Says:

    I’m thinking fredi wants a new staff, outside of maybe McDowell. I can’t imagine he wants to keep the whole regime around and not be able to break from bobby in some fashion.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m with Wiley. It’ll take a miracle to get Fredi’s foot sqeezed into them tiny shoes. 8)

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    Steve Says:

    Everyone – thanks so much for the terrific sentiments toward the show. It is very much appreciated.

    To confirm what Curt said, next show will be regular time, regular day – Sunday the 17th.

    I’m pretty psyched about the Fredi hire. Regarding the coaching staff, lots of reports and tweets out there that Roger is a lock and that Hubbard and Snitker seem likely too. TP’s name has been noticeably absent. I wonder if there’s talk of no TP in ’11. DOB had an interesting comment this morning that he believes if it is Fredi’s choice, TP will be back. But if it’s not up to Fredi, maybe not.

    I think people in the know know something and that TP will not be back.

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    Steve Says:

    For those that haven’t seen it, this is a great read from Tom Verducci: http://tinyurl.com/27x4bnq

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    Nate Says:

    I’m pumped about Fredi. It will be a nice, smooth transition for the players, and I personally have a high amount of respect for the guy after the way he dealt with the Hanley fiasco. I think he’ll do a fine job in Atlanta with our rotation and bullpen. The garbage pile of relievers he had in Florida this past season was an absolute joke.

    Where do we think Omar plays next year? Does he move to the OF? Does Prado go to the OF and leave Omar at 2B? Should be interesting to see how it shakes out.

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    Steve Says:

    Meaningful or not – don’t know, but this was just tweeted by Bowman:

    Snitker and McDowell attended Cox’s presser. TP left w/ some belongings a few min. before it started.

    Nate there are so many considerations with Omar: is Chipper back? Do we sign one or two OF’s? My guess is he starts on the bench.

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    Hanson + Heyward = World Series Ring Says:

    Yeah, I’m excited about Fredi too. Hope that TP is gone, and I’ll be excited to hear who they bring on to replace him if he is, in fact, not returning.

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    Anne Says:

    Do you think they really wouldn’t have clued TP in long before now? Like, back when they knew he wouldn’t replace Bobby himself. I mean, they’ve made some dumb parting-of-ways moves before, but – seriously – leaving just before the press conference seems like show.

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    Steve Says:

    Here’s news: Pendleton replaces Hubbard as 1B/infield coach. Hubbard and Cadahia not offered positions. No word on hitting coach yet.

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    Curt Says:

    don baylor…………

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    Steve Says:

    Was Don the hitting instructor while Fredi was 3rd base coach? I know I could look it up, but wonder if someone just knows …

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Great. Our most successful post season manager (1.000 this season) is let go. And who doesn’t like to say “Cadahia” once a week? So melodic:

    Cadahia. Cadahia. Cadahia.

    Hubbard out and TP in?? Booooooooooo.

    I hope there’s a punishment for 1st base coaches saying stuff about hitting. The death penalty, mabye.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Also, I nominate Frego (pronounced to rhyme with Prego) as Fredi Gonzalez’s nick name.

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    Kate Says:

    Is hitting coach to 1b coach a demotion?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I hope so.

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    Curt Says:

    Hubbard was the infield defense coach, so……………………

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    Curt Says:

    so is everyone fired up about Fredi? Any doubters? I think it is a good, safe hire, but i was foolishly hoping they would go out on a limb and not do the easy thing.

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    Kate Says:

    I’ll hold off having an opinion on Fredi until I see who he brings in for the 9th inning with a seven run lead.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m not what I would call fired up about Fredi. I don’t think he’ll be a big difference maker as a manager. I’ve seen him make some silly moves now and then.

    But I also don’t think he’ll be a difference maker in the wrong direction, as I’m afraid another Atlanta manager (the name escapes me) had become. So I’m very satisfied with the move. I think the removal of TP from the hitting coach position is at least some evidence it won’t be “business as usual,” and that Fredi will have his own distinct approach and not be asked to be Bobby Junior.

    In fact, I expect (without much evidence) there are things about Bobby that Wren explicitly hopes Fredi will not emulate.

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    Curt Says:

    I don’t know if the interview with FW is up in their archives yet, but 790 the Zone spoke with him this morning and he had some interesting things to say about possibly moving players to get a bat, and some expectations he has for where this team is headed, in regards to their strengths. He was talking about all the speed in their farm system and how they are going to need to start using that portion of the game. But he also we very honest in understanding that they need power, and right handed power, badly. The unfortunate part was that once again, the payroll isn’t moving, so forget Werth and Crawford playing here.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Hey, if payroll will just stop moving downhill. Did you hear that nobody from Liberty Media attended the playoffs? What a punch in the stomach.

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    Curt Says:

    Exactly. Not even for Bobby’s last game. It’s a joke.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    There in lies the problem.

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    Nate Says:

    Even Ted Turner showed up for a game. It’s blatantly obvious that Liberty Media has no real interest in the club. Is there any hope of Ted taking over as owner again? Arthur Blank?

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go with McOut and Omar in the outfield. Omar played so well this year and has since he’s been in Atlanta. Can the organization really put him in a bench role again? The guy finished 3rd in batting in the NL. He can play. Play him everyday.

    Part of me wishes Chipper would hang it up so we could get a Crawford or a Werth, but that obviously won’t happen. I love Chipper, always have since he came up. I was 10 at the time, so he’s a big deal, imo. I have several jerseys and signed balls to boot. He does deserves to play as long as he wants, but there is that other half of me that would like to see us sign an OFer with that dough and go with the Venezuelan trio plus Freddie in the IF. That said, Chipper stuck with us, so we should stick with him as long as he wants.

    Ramble, ramble, ramble. Go Braves. I lost a brother this week, so this has been a nice distraction. Love me some ABT. Thanks for all the kind words for my bro over the past week. Y’all are some good folks.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Nate, so sorry for your loss. Your family is in my prayers and I don’t say that lightly.

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    Curt Says:

    our thoughts are with you and your family, Nate

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    Bubdylan Says:

    “His thumb injury was reported by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution in early September, but Lee did not want to acknowledge the injury or the extent of it.”

    Sigh. Is there like some bruiser from the player’s union that will come bust your knuckles if you tell somebody you’re hurt? I know it hurts the team to play hurt, but also, how does it help the player to watch his #’s spiral? These denied injuries are KILLING the Braves, man! Schafer, McCann, Heyward, Glaus, now Lee. Subtract the “injured months” from these players and add in a league average hitter and I imagine we have both a better record during the downtime, AND a much better player returned healed. Just shaking my head. I’m not sure I’ll ever believe a player who says he’s not hurt when his numbers are falling for no apparent reason. I’m just going to assume they’re hiding an injury.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Maybe Fredi will handle things in such a way where that won’t happen anymore. Ya know…maybe he’ll play the players who are hitting and sit the ones who aren’t…something genius like that.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    I’m sitting next to Paul Snyder’s daughter in law. So cool!

    http://www.yorkblog.com/yorktownsquare/2008/03/paul-lsndyer.html

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    She’s had full conversations with Nancy Niekro at parties. Btw, my kid has 1 hit and scored twice. No defensive plays due to always being in the OF or on the bench. So it goes.

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    Steve Says:

    Nate – so sorry to hear about your brother. I lost mine 20 years ago. I am with you.

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    Steve Says:

    Cody Ross is making himself some extra cash with the postseason he’s having. 3 HR’s and counting. Wow.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    It’s nice to see the Giants’ “Ross/Wilson” 1-2 punch work on someone else. Wilson also needs to get his roots done.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Latest mother blog not painting a pretty picture. Bad outfield is going to remain bad outfield.

    No outfield.
    No short stop.
    No clean up hitter.
    Rookie closer.
    Rookie 1B
    Chipper Jones’ tired bones.

    Thank goodness for starting pitching.

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    Mara Wanna Says:

    Hey Bub, where did you hear that Liberty Media was a no show for Braves’ post season? The Rev. doesn’t believe it and I need to prove to him I have every right to be mad as hell.

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