November 23, 2010

Show #132: The Braves Acquire Dan Uggla

The right handed power bat is here.  We break down the trade for Dan Uggla.



140 Responses to “Show #132: The Braves Acquire Dan Uggla”

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    Bubdylan Says:

    lol at “yeah, but he (Giles) took a bunch of steroids” in a calm, earnest voice.

    Foul on trading Prado for Uggla, but it’s close. We really, REALLY need power. But thank goodness it didn’t come down to that.

    Foul on locking up Uggla at that super high price. Fair on 12 X 5. Barely. His 36-year-old season would scare me. Without his power, he’d be yuckville.

    Fair on grabbing Uggla even if just for a year. Infante was the same one year.
    And if we lose him, we’re back to squares: needing a LF, with a year less of Lowe’s and Chipper’s contracts. A no-brainer move.


    Foul on “Fuggla” though. When he boots it, it should be “Dan Struggla”

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    Steve Says:

    Fuggla is an obvious choice, no doubt. But Dan Struggla is pretty strong.

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    Kate Says:

    We could always call him “Boooooooooooo” it worked for Brooks.

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    Steve Says:

    Kate – very, very funny. But, for the record, if things go so badly in some way for Uggla in 2011 that he’s getting booed at Turner, I will be sticking a big ol’ fork in my eye. Daily.

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    Nate Says:

    Dan Struggla is strong to quite strong. Great bat, absolute butcher in the field. Struggla + Chipper + Ground ball pitchers= a lot of errors.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Bill James Homer Projections 2011:

    Uggla 31
    Heyward 18
    McCann 24
    Chipper 17
    Gonzalez 13
    Freeman 16
    Prado 12
    McLouth 15
    Total from starting 8: 146 Homers

    Ryan Howard 43
    Chase Utley 26
    Dom Brown 26
    Ruiz 9
    Polanco 8
    Ibanez 20
    Victorino 16
    Rollins 15
    Total from starting 8: 163

    Now, James is usually optimistic, and I’ll believe McLouth is worth 15 homers when pigs fly, but he’s also optimistic on Howard, who I believe will hit around 35 as his epic power takes its first we-pay-him-WHAT slide.

    In any case, if Atlanta closes the gap to 17 homers less than Philly (from the starters), considering the ballparks, I think we’ll be neck and neck with the boys from PA.

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    Anne Says:

    I’m in the SF Bay Area visiting my mom and the baseball news out here is allllllll about Avery Huff and debates over that being a good move (keeping him) or not.

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    Curt Says:

    23 from Dominic Brown? Are they pitching him underhanded next year? I thought his numbers were pretty bad this year. I’ll have to look that up.

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    Leah Says:

    Listening to the show, writing this comment, while cooking traditional Creme Brulee French Toast for the Rev’s fam cause that’s how I roll. First of all, thanks for the HP World commercial. I was wondering about it and appreciated the details so i guess this is the opposite of hate mail.

    Prado = heart and soul of our team this year AND last year. Even without Dunn I would give up baseball forever had they traded Meadow.
    Steve, how sad the next time ABT gets together for a game I won’t get to cheer, “OH Infante!” You’ll miss that…I know you will.

    I’m wondering how much we owe Charlie Manuel for this deal. How much better does Omar’s resume look being an all star?

    Would Glaus (as in Gloss…as in high shine) be better off the bench? If his legs aren’t tired could he be our home run hitting pinch hitter?

    I hope you don’t have too many listeners who don’t read the board cause Hammy’s desire to spank Steve could be disturbing to some.

    Great show! Spring Training seems like a looooooooong time.:(

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    Leah Says:

    “Foul on trading Prado for Uggla, but it’s close.” BUT IT’S CLOSE???????

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    Curt Says:

    Yeah Brown hit .210 this year with 2 homers. Far cry from 23, even in limited playing time.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Curt, I agree about Brown’s numbers, but I’m not putting much stock in his ugly beginning as I am his AAA track record. Same with Freeman, and it looks like Bill James agrees.

    I’ve heard it said that the way to utilize Bill James’ numbers is not to compare them to actual outcomes, but to other Bill James numbers for other teams, etc. Don’t know how much truth is in that, but that’s why I put them next to Phillies’ predictions rather than just tossing them out there.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Leah, I love Martin Prado, and I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Dan Uggla, as much as I have cried for Dan Uggla, and that should tell you something.

    But yeah, it’s close. That’s as good as I can offer without being a girl fan. 8)

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    Ham Says:

    No way Chipper hits 17 dingers. I bet he doesn’t break 10. I want him to do well, but I don’t see that kind of production.

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    Steve Says:

    And 16 from Freeman?!?! We’d really have something if he could approach that. Of course, we have to subtract 12 from the 15 that he projects for Nate.

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    Nate Says:

    What’s crazier, picking 15 from McTerrible or 17 from Chipper? I can’t decide…

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    Curt Says:

    23 for Dom Brown. His best year he hit 23 across Rookie, A and AA. Even playing in that pony league park.

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    Leah Says:

    Happy Turkey Day ABT!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, Leah.

    Happy Thanksgiving, ABT.

    and his name

    is Dan


    Man, this team’s gonna be so freaking good.

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    Leah Says:

    Hey Bubalicious, how’s that reading assignment coming?

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    Steve Says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I hope it’s a great day with family and friends.

    I saw HP7 today. It was tremendously good. A very good translation from the book of the desperation and epic life and death tone. I’m already sick about having to wait until next summer for part 2. Has anyone else seen it yet?

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    Ham Says:

    Happy THanksgiving everyone!

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    Leah Says:

    Steve, I hope to see it. My daughter loved it and the Rev was lost. He did however mention the dream sequence in the beginning.

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    Leah Says:

    Yikes in the second quarter.

  25. 25
    Leah Says:

    Whew. Too close.

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    Bubdylan Says:



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    Leah Says:

    Forget my lies? Flog my llama? Oh! I know…favor Ms. Leah. Awe…that’s sweet.

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    Leah Says:

    Sitting in the theatre with my little sister waiting for HP7 to start. It’s her birthday. We’re both very excited.

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    Steve Says:

    Leah, what did you think of HP7? And what did you think about the Harry/Hermione dance scene? I thought it was kind of confusing and implied a bunch of stuff that’s not true.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Not that you asked me, but when the dance scene started, I thought I had found my favorite moment in the whole series. But I didn’t think it was a romance at all (while it was going on). I thought for thirty seconds I was seeing one of the greatest Platonic love moments in film history.

    But then, instead of doing the sensible thing and fading out of that scene with the music playing, they contrived that awkward moment at the end to make it look like an aborted romance instead of the lovely brother/sister dance in the middle of all that darkness/ anxiety. I’ll watch it again on DVD and see if the awkwardness washes away, but for now it was like having the rug jerked out from under me.

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    Leah Says:

    I thought the dance scene did portray the brother/ sister relationship between Hermione and Harry. I also thought it left an awkward feeling at the end but felt it was intentional with purpose. To me it felt like Harry was doing everything he could to cheer and comfort his friend but in the end he realized nothing but Won Won could fill the void. Great movie. I did close my eyes during the snake scenes.

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    Snake Right Behind You Says:


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    Leah Says:

    stop it!!!! (to be read in extremely whiny tone)

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    Steve Says:

    On one hand I liked the dance scene and got all of the brother/sister platonic love stuff. And thought it completely worked but… I think I brought all my context from reading the books to that scene to clarify the murkiness. And I think it’s even more murky given it coming 15 minutes before Ron faces off with the Horcrux and Voldemort using Ron’s jealously as a weapon against him.

    That said, I’m really picking nits here as I absolutely loved the hell out of the movie.

    More movie stuff. Rented Kick Ass this weekend. Loved it even more than I anticipated. So smart and non-formulaic (in many ways) and fun and satisfying. Could not have enjoyed it more.

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    Leah Says:

    Haha…at first I thought you were saying Hisssss and forgot the extra ‘s’. Steve, I see your point. I guess I’m not capable of watching a movie without thinking of the book it portrays. I’m all inclusive when it comes to knowledge I’ve absorbed. Anywho, anybody get any good Black Friday deals?

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    Leah Says:

    I bet Javy can’t wait to get the heck out of NYC.

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    Curt Says:

    I still think the Braves should have made him an offer.

    Saw Megamind today with the oldest. In an obvious and hackneyed critique, I will put it simply as Meh-gamind.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Stumbled onto this five year old article on greatest rotations. 90’s Braves make the top 5 twice, including #1 from their 1998 staff: just look at those sick numbers from FIVE pitchers. Unreal. All five starters in the top 10 in wins. That is ridiculous.

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    Curt Says:

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again – 1998 was the best team the Braves had, and no one really talks about THAT collapse.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Curt, there’s no such thing as a collapse in which you lose 4 games out of 6. That’s just baseball. Add to that, before losing a tight Padres series, hey swept the Cubs, so their post season record that year was 5-4. Even a 106 win team goes through 5-4 stretches a dozen times a year, not to mention a few worse ones.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    *hey = they

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    Steve Says:

    Curt – How did you not like Megamind?!?!? I thought it was very funny and had a lot of heart. You are a monster.

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    Curt Says:

    Tight Padres series? You were down 3-0. Whatever terminology you want to use, the fact that the 98 team did not accomplish more with what they had is disgraceful. (See Braves postseasons).

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    Curt Says:

    Steve, because I saw Despicable Me. It’s the Truman Show to Megamind’s Ed

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, they out-hit the Fathers in two of those first three losses. The errors, which I don’t even remember, are pretty disgraceful. We out-booted them 6 to ZERO in those three losses. 🙁

    The more things change…

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve, I think you just like more things than Curt (and me). It’s a sign of a healthy psyche, by the way.

    Wanna share some drugs, Curt?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Did you guys notice that the Capitol Ave guy hates the Fredi hire and likes Bobby Cox?? I was surprised by that one.

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    Leah Says:


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    Bubdylan Says:

    Anybody notice the year Charlie Morton had in P-burgh? 2-12, 7+ERA, and the awfullest WHIP I’ve seen on a full year of starting in quite some time: 1.73

    I hate it. That’s most I’ve ever wanted to see a traded pitcher succeed, especially since … what harm could he do in Pittsburgh?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    New ajc blog title is depressing.

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    Curt Says:

    Anyone notice the year Nate had for us?

    It’s the hate that keeps me warm, Bub

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    Bubdylan Says:

    “Anyone notice the year Nate had for us?”

    On second thought, I hope Charlie Morton pitches a 9786.45 ERA next year and lodges a fastball in McCutchen’s eye socket.

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    Steve Says:

    Curt – I will tell you that my wife thought Despicable Me was utterly fantastic. So I’ll give you that and concede that Megamind may have paled in comparison. But you’re still a monster.

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    Curt Says:

    Agreed. Your wife is a wonderful and brilliant woman.

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    Leah Says:


    We should go ahead and schedule a suicide watch for Anne in case the worst happens and Diaz gets traded.

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    Steve Says:

    Leah – definitely. In fact, we removed all electrical cords, belts and bed sheets from Anne’s house last weekend.

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    Ham Says:

    I thought Megamind was great. First movie that my entire family sat through from beginning to end (maybe that added to why I loved it). Didn’t see Despicable Me. Also saw Tangled this weekend . . . it was . . . a movie. My kids loved it.

    Is anyone watching the Walking Dead? It is amazing. Best show on TV. You have to like zombie movies to enjoy it. Takes place in and around Atlanta. I could not recommend it more. Do not let your kids watch it.

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    Curt Says:

    Ham, I keep trying to remind myself about Walking Dead, and so many people have told me about it, and I keep forgetting. Shame on me.

    Netflix it is.

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    Leah Says:

    Walking Dead? Is that another name for Lost? I don’t do zombies. Vampires and witches, yes. Zombies, not since they invaded Longbourn and Pemberly.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I am using all my willpower to make the Braves keep Diaz.

    *closes eyes and squints toward Atlanta*

    C’mon, Brewers, up the offer…

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Yeah, I just pointed my will at Atlanta to talk to the Brewers. Sorry, Matty, I failed you. 🙁

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    Bubdylan Says:

    KK’s reactions to Atlanta’s attempts to send him back to Japan, while they are on the very mild end of the sports ego spectrum, make me reconsider the moral golden boy status I previously endowed(sp?) him with.

    C’mon, Kenshin, you made a ton of dough here, go and pitch where you are very good at it.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    And yeah, I guess that means I should retract my high-horsed scolding I layed on everyone for suggesting he might be like that.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Dammit, dammit, dammit. I can’t believe Diaz is really, seriously going to be gone. I’m physically ill. This hurts almost as bad as the Conrad grounder. Has he really out-stayed his value? I just don’t see it. Gosh, what a freaking loss.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    “The Braves have not made any contact with Diaz or his agent, Larry Reynolds, since the season ended. ” – Bowman

    Frank, how about working on that? Is that standard procedure or something in baseball? Don’t call us… we’ll … not call you? It’s Matt fraking Diaz. How about some communication?

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    Kate Says:

    My fear is Matty in a Philly uniform next season.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    It’s a valid fear.

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    Leah Says:

    wha…huh…why is this happening? I feel so discombobulated! Anne, you may need to double up on the anti-depressants for a few days. Bub, when were you EVER on a high horse? 🙂

    Seriously, Matt Diaz will be the Wes Helms of the future if he’s sent to a team in the NL East.

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    Curt Says:

    Anyone seen the Road? It’s a Cormac McCarthy book they made into a movie with Viggo Mortensen? Really good, but GRIM. Wow.

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    Curt Says:

    And my personal belief is Hinske leaves and Diaz stays.

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    Nate Says:

    #73, absolutely. You know the Marlins or Phils will pick him up and he will just crush us. He will figure out how to hit righties. I don’t see how he can’t be used off the bench, if not starting occasionally when need be. Prado will end up playing 3rd when Chip goes down, so we’ll need a seasoned vet to step in in RF. Not to mention the fact that CF is a HUGE question mark, so it wouldn’t hurt to have some more proven bench/OF spot starters on the team.
    I think losing him and Hinske would be bad for our field performance as well as team chemistry. How can we preach chemistry like we did during the Esco trade and then not sign BOTH Diaz and Hinske? Are we really that strapped for cash?
    Also, I would put money on Esco rebounding next year rather than McLouth. I would also put money on Esco being an All-Star and McLouth being out of a starting gig by 2012. The Escobar trade will end up being one of those trades that makes you say this guy was really traded for Alex Gonzalez and Pastornicky. Really? Still a lit upset over that one. Thought I might vent on the blog. To me, Gonzo looks a little unfocused at times, too. There’s more than a handful of games from August on that will provide valid examples of this theory.

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    Nate Says:

    Curt, The Road was strong to quite strong. I was blown away.

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    Nate Says:

    BTW, I really hope I’m wrong about #76, but does anyone other than Bub really think McLouth will rebound? I honestly believe Escobar is a very good baseball player, but there are too many question marks on what’s going on in his head for the Braves to keep him on our team. If he can figure it out he’s gonna be really good again. I just don’t get how we can preach team chemistry and not bring back both Hinske and Diaz.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m less confident Nate will rebound than previously.

    What’s this about a Cormac McArthy novel-movie being grim? The hell you say.

    The potential for egg on the face from the Esco trade is disheartening. I just hope Gonzo can be reasonably consistent. And Esco falls down a manhole.

    (We’re living in an age where saying “manhole” carries risks previously unfelt…)

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    Curt Says:

    Main thing is how can we not afford both, as Nate says. Combined, you are talking $5 mill, maybe? Hinske wants 2 years which the Braves won’t do, but $5 mill? Come on.

    Bub, I know, it’s shocking. But it was really quite disturbing.

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    Steve Says:

    I have ZERO confidence. Less then zero confidence that Nate rebounds. It was clearly some collective dream we all had in early September when he couldn’t make an out for that one week.

    And, I know this will be unpopular, but I can live with no Diaz. Not to say that I didn’t love him, but if we keep Hinske and turn that 2.5MM into a bench player and a bullpen arm, I’m ok with it. That said, there is no doubt he’ll be a Philly and will absolutely decimate us.

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    Ham Says:

    We got Hinske. Feeling better. I too would not be devastated without Matty D.

    The Nate thing is a whole nother story.

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    Steve Says:

    Hinske/Mather – it’s going to rock. And I’m being serious.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    My Diaz fandom had really kicked up a notch over the past months, bored and flipping through articles and interviews. I had really only been “playing at” loving Diaz before, but he became just about my favorite Braves.

    Great news on Hinske, though. I’m very excited, and I believe Mather has a lot of potential to produce, too – looking forward to seeing what he’s got.

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    Steve Says:

    So, all you shameless Diaz lovers, answer this true: if you were the GM and the rule was you could only keep one of Diaz or Hinske for 2011, who would you pick?

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    Steve Says:

    Here’s the official Release from the Braves about non-tendering Diaz:

    Braves Non-Tender Outfielder Matt Diaz

    ATLANTA – The Atlanta Braves have declined to tender a 2011 contract offer to outfielder Matt Diaz, who is now free to negotiate with any Major League team.
    The Braves have four remaining arbitration-eligible players on their 40-man roster who are unsigned for the upcoming season – infielder Martin Prado, right-handed pitchers Jair Jurrjens and Peter Moylan and left-handed pitcher Eric O’Flaherty.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I would sign Diaz before I gave Hinske two years. But since they got Hinske for a year and an option (which few people pause to realize is actually LESS valuable to a player than a one year contract by itself), I can’t argue with the decision.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    My Titter account almost gave me a heart attack. DOB’s tweet, with a comma instead of a period, would read that the Braves non-tendered Prado, Jurrjens, etc. etc.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    ahem, tWitter. That was unfortunate.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – #88 was great. It, in fact, made me titter.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    You guys won’t believe this:

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    Leah Says:

    I am so very sad!

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    Curt Says:

    Am I ever right?

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    Leah Says:

    Not often Eeyore and thank GOD!

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    Nate Says:

    So glad we got Hinske. Has someone checked in on Anne? I hope she’s ok. Bub, #88 made my day.
    Have y’all noticed Wren is extremely high on Pastornicky(sp?)? Is there any chance he is our starting SS in 2012? I’m not so sure that one is gonna work out, but it seems like Wren got rid of Esco to get Pasto. Gonzo will surely be gone after this year. The reliever that came over in that deal is gone, so it would seem that he was the main target in that deal, kind of like Vizcaino in the Vazquez deal.

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    Leah Says:

    Curt, I’m here for ya buddy.

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    Nate Says:

    Steve, I would take Hinske over Diaz. Both are great for what they bring to an organization, but I think Hinske is more valuable due to his ability to play 1st as well as the outfield. Hinske also brings more power off the bench, and I actually thought he did a decent job the one time he played 3rd. He’s deceptively quick for his size. Plus, if we somehow got in a brawl with another team, Hinske looks like the kind of guy you’d want on your side. Hanson does hit a lot of guys.

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    Leah Says:

    I miss Matty D already. It’s way easier to be more sentimental than wise during the offseason.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, Leah, it’s not pure sentiment to favor Diaz. Since 2003, Diaz and Hinske have been worth almost the exact same in Wins Above Replacement to their respective teams.

    Last year, Hinske outWAR’d him 1.0 to 0.6, but the year before that, Matty was worth a smokin’ 2.6 wins above replacement, a number Hinske hasn’t come near since his ROY season in 2002.

    The point being, there’s a fairly good chance Diaz has a better year than Hinske, and a fairly decent chance the Braves made a bad choice.

    But all choices are a risk, and as Nate points out, the 1B back up part is very valuable.

    All the same, my heart is broken. Yola owes me a premium site I haven’t used yet, I may make a Diaz website. 🙁

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    Leah Says:

    Yea…like I said, I think it’s a bad decision for ya know…what Bub said.

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    Anne Says:

    When Braves general manager Frank Wren called Matt Diaz on Wednesday to inform him that it didn’t appear he would be re-signed for the 2011 season, the outfielder graciously said, “Don’t forget about me.”

    I won’t, Matty…I won’t. (I knew I jinxed him the moment I put the Diaz shirt on my back!)

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    Steve Says:

    Anne – if that’s the case, I trust that you will go out and buy a McLouth shirt asap!

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    Nate Says:

    #103, nice.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Anne, wear the Diaz shirt often. He’s as good an ex-Brave to honor as any. Maybe Wren will see it at the game and wince a little. Especially if he sees it while Matty’s crushing baseballs out of CBP. 🙁

    I see now that the news is pulsing through the blogosphere, Mather has a decent chance of being hated because of the loss of Diaz. People are weird.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Scott Linebrink? Did I just hear that record-scratching sound that in comedy movies cues the screeching halt to the happy?

    Yuck. Not excited at all about this one. Farnsworth 2.0

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    Bubdylan Says:

    If we paid Diaz-approximately money for Scott Freaking Linebrink I am not a happy camper.

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    Steve Says:

    Here’s the official Release from the Braves on Linebrink. The best stats, imo:

    He held opposing batters to a .203 (15-for-74) clip with runners in scoring position and posted a .083 (1-for-12) opponent’s average with the bases loaded.

    ATLANTA – The Atlanta Braves and Chicago White Sox announced today that the two clubs completed a two-player trade. The Braves have acquired right-handed relief pitcher Scott Linebrink and cash considerations from the White Sox in exchange for minor-league right-handed pitcher Kyle Cofield. Linebrink is under contract through the 2011 season.
    Linebrink, 34, went 3-2 with a 4.40 ERA in 52 games for the White Sox in 2010. He recorded 52 strikeouts in 57.1 innings and ranked third among White Sox relievers in innings pitched. He held opposing batters to a .203 (15-for-74) clip with runners in scoring position and posted a .083 (1-for-12) opponent’s average with the bases loaded.
    “Scott is a veteran pitcher who has experience in a variety of roles,” Executive Vice President and General Manager Frank Wren said. “He will play an important part in our bullpen in 2011.”
    The 2010 campaign marked the right-handed reliever’s 11th Major League season. He owns a 38-27 career record with a 3.50 ERA and 525 strikeouts in 543 appearances (six starts) and has made at least 50 appearances in each of his last eight seasons. Primarily a set-up man, Linebrink ranks second in the majors with 141 holds since the start of the 2004 season. The 6-foot-3, 220-pound Linebrink has played for the San Francisco Giants (2000), the Houston Astros (2000-2003), the San Diego Padres (2003-2007), the Milwaukee Brewers (2007), and the last three seasons with the White Sox (2008-2010). He was a second-round draft pick by the Giants in 1997.
    Cofield, 23, has a career minor league record of 25-26 with a 4.12 ERA in 118 games (82 starts), including going 1-4 with a 4.47 ERA in 20 games (12 starts) between Double-A Mississippi and Gulf Coast League (rookie) in 2010. He was drafted by the Braves in the eighth round of the 2005 June free agent draft.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    YIKES. Braves picked up FOUR million of Linebrink’s salary. This is awful. What’s he THINKING? This is the dumbest bullpen pick up I’ve ever heard of. Good grief. It’s not like turning O’Flaherty into gold, or the Moylan signing. This guy is making FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

    Terrible. Horrible. Nasty. Yuck. We swapped Matt Diaz for Mather for THIS? Gross.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I don’t even want Linbrink taking innings way from Kimbrel or Venters, much less being the veteran addition. Not unless the young guys falter. But with a guy like this, it doesn’t matter if they falter or not, Linebrink and his fat four million will get the innings.

    I hate this move. Okay, I’m done.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    This is the celebration in Chicago at Wren’s bone-headed move.

    NOW I’m done.

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    Ham Says:

    Bub- We got a veteran reliever (with Chicago picking up some of his salary) and we gave up NO prospects to speak of. We needed a veteran reliever. This guy is by no means Farnsworth 2.0. Granted he might be a bit pricey, but most veteran relievers (who are good) are probably in this ballpark. I think this is a good move. He was shutdown with RISP last year, he played in a hitter-friendly park, and he would be a great mentor for Venters, Kimbrel, and others. I don’t think it is bone-headed at all.

    Just my dos pesos.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    He gave up 24 runs in 74 AB’s with RISP last year. Only a .203 batting average, that’s nice, but it’s not screaming clutch of all clutch.

    Also, it’s a small sample size. Step back one more year and he gave up a .274 BA with RISP. Those kinds of splits across one year are pretty meaningless.

    He isn’t an awful pitcher. I’m not saying that. I’m saying that it’s an awful MOVE. Four million dollars and the winter just started, so there was plenty of time.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Linebrink’s Wins Above Replacement for the last 5 years:


    He has been worth a grand total two tenths of ONE win above replacement for the last five years.

    Using the 4.5 million dollars per WAR formula, that puts his worth at 4.5 X .04 (per year) = 180,000 dollars.

    We’re paying 4 million dollars for a player worth 0.18 million over each of the last five years.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – I agree that:

    1. The WAR data is compelling and depressing
    2. 4MM seems steep for a guy with a 4+ ERA the past two seasons
    3. This would be much more exciting if it were, say, 2003 or 2004.

    That said, in my off-season optimism mode:

    I’m willing to believe his numbers could improve by coming back to the NL and a pitcher’s park and I do see value in the veteran pitcher in the bullpen thing. But yeah, this seems like a bunch of money for a pretty middling guy.

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    Steve Says:

    Just tweeted by DOB:

    #Braves are getting more than $2.5 mill from #White Sox to offset Linebrink’s $5.5 mill salary, not the previously reported $1.5 mill

    That’s better, too.

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    Anonymous Says:

    I’m not happy either….way too much math.

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    Steve Says:

    From Bowman:

    Multiple sources confirm #Braves received $3.5 million from the #White Sox. This makes the Linebrink deal look a lot better on ATL end.

    It’s a completely different deal now.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Getting him for 2 million wouldn’t be bad. I would definitely back away from the cliff.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve, I have been informed that using WAR for relievers is not a great idea. In this case, the outcome was so extreme that it still made a real case, but not as shattering a case as it would have been against a hitter.

    Add to that the new salary numbers and I am calm enough.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – I’m glad to hear you’re backing away from the cliff.

    New show tomorrow night. Interviewing the Marlins beat writer from the Miami Herald. Talking Fredi and Uggla.

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    Leah Says:

    It’s a big day people!

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    Leah Says:

    Looks like we missed our shot at Adrian Gonzalez. Shucky darn…I really had my heart set on that one.

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    Steve Says:

    Leah – why is it a big day? Because we just got our Christmas tree?

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    Curt Says:

    Way to already hate Freeman.

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    Leah Says:


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    Bubdylan Says:

    Leah, memorize this maxim:

    In order for teams with heavy budget constraints to compete, they MUST, MUST, MUST cash in on cheap talent.

    If you are given the choice between a high prospect that MIGHT produce nicely for six cheap years, and a star who will almost SURELY produce nicely, BUT AT A COST EQUAL TO HIS VALUE, for any amount of time, we MUST side with the prospect 90% of the time.

    For example, if the Royals would trade us Greinke for Teheran straight up, we should say no. Sure, Greinke would give us a certain value for 2 years, but it would cost 27 million dollars. Teheran, even by only becoming a #3 pitcher (and he should do more) will dwarf that value by giving us six years for less than 20 million all total.

    Same for Gonzo versus Freeman.

    The place to spend money is where you have no hot prospect. Following this simple method keeps you with the MOST chances to cash in on cheap talent. Because, I repeat, if we fail to cash in on cheap talent, we will run out of money, period.

    By spending big money only where you don’t have any in-house options, and hanging onto your top prospects, it’s like loading the little lottery-basket with more ping pong balls. Every prospect, even the hot ones, will not work out. But it’s suicide to subtract many of the ping pong balls when you know you MUST cash in on at least 3 or 4 of them every 10 years to have a chance.

    It’s not that we should never hire premium talent. But it should be like Uggla, who both cost us almost nothing in terms of cheap impact talent (nothing he won’t demolish, value-wise, in his very first year), and does not block any prospect from producing for us cheaply.

    Blah blah blah. That’s so long and rambling, even I am not going to read it. And God knows I love reading my own posts….

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    Leah Says:

    Curt, if I doubt Freeman he’s sure to succeed. You’re not the only one who’s never right. WAR DAMN EAGLE!!

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    Leah Says:

    Hahahaha! That last sentence makes me laugh. Who doesnt love reading your posts Bubalicious. You’re cheering for AU right? You promised.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I promised? I don’t think I promised.

    I have a pretty sleazy feeling about Cam, mama. Sorry, pulling for the Gamecocks today. If it makes you feel any better, I’m not pulling for them all that lustily.

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    Leah Says:

    Cam was cleared…or didn’t you hear? And yes, you promised. Mamas never forget.

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    Leah Says:

    Bub, how exactly do you cheer on the Cocks?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    My own school’s team are Gamecocks. Just as you might expect, with shirts that say “Go Cocks” and “Cocky” and other various non-comment-section-appropriate slogans.

    That link sent me to something about water conservation, so I’m guessing it’s not what was intended.

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    Leah Says:
    Wierd…try this one.

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    Leah Says:

    Which is a little stranger than weird.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Who the crap knew that Jack White produced a late career Loretta Lynn album that is supposedly one of the great awesome things of musical musics?

    Anyone heard it?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Okay, I guess I’m the last one to know, like always.

    Bub is about to be happy for at least a week…

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Jason Werth to the… NATIONALS??? What’s HAPPENING????

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    Leah Says:

    I know! I was all excited to get him out of Philly but…the Nats don’t need any help in their dominance over the Braves.

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