April 10, 2011

Show #142: The Braves Offense Goes Missing

Discussing the bats and relief pitching.  Assessing Freeman and McLouth at the plate.  And best and worst signs of the week.

 

 

173 Responses to “Show #142: The Braves Offense Goes Missing”

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  1. 51
    Nate Says:

    I vaguely remember a 2003 list that had something like 100 players on it that had tested positive for banned substances. The list was never revealed. I think it’s the same list that A Rod’s name came from. I always thought it was a little unfair to drag him through the mud if you’re never going to reveal the other names of users. I’m not saying baseball did it to A Rod, since a reporter broke the story, I’m saying baseball let A Rod down after the fact. Baseball has handled the whole steroid mess terribly.

    Bonds, A Rod, and Clemens are HOFers without roids. I think they make it in eventually. Face it, more players than the names we’ve heard juiced. The whole era is a blemish. Is the HOF just going to pretend it never happened? The steroid era is part of the baseball legacy. It should be in the HOF along with the players who played in it.

  2. 52
    Nate Says:

    Curt, I had forgotten about that stretch Hanson went through last year where the offense just refused to score any runs for him. I fear, as you guys mentioned on this week’s show, that Derek might be embarking on a similar stretch. There is always one guy who doesn’t get the run support he deserves. I think JJ and Vazquez were those guys in 09. It was Hanson last year (and KK, sort of). Didn’t Meds also go through a stretch where he pitched great, but they never scored runs while he was in the game? The Braves were like 13-1 in games Medlen started, but his record didn’t match that. Anyway, this might be karma for Derek considering he won 15 games his first 2 years with more offensive support than the average Braves’ starter.

    Great show, BTW. I didn’t think you guys were too hard on them. What else were the guys supposed to talk about? The Braves looked pretty terrible in those 10 games. It’s just 10 games and they are the first ten, I think everyone is ware of this, but the play was bad. Please don’t do movie reviews.

    P.S. It is a joke for fans to be bashing Freeman and giving Uggla a pass. Both guys are notorious slow starters. Plus, Freeman is seeing all these pitchers for the first time.

  3. 53
    Nate Says:

    YE leading the AL in hitting. We need more offense. These two facts combine for a feeling of ouch.

  4. 54
    Bubdylan Says:

    “Hall of Fame is nothing without Bonds and A Rod.”

    Right. Subtract them and all you have left is a couple hundred guys like Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle & other small timers.

  5. 55
    Eric Says:

    Last thread I argued that chemistry in baseball, more than any other sport, is overrated. I caught a little bit of an interview with David Ross today on the Braves clubhouse report. He said that he’s been on 4 playoff teams, and those were the teams that had the best chemistry. His main point was that people want to like coming to work, and it was no coincidence that those teams were more successful than other talented teams he’s been on.

  6. 56
    Curt Says:

    All this lends more cause for Murphy being in the HOF. I will say it until I die.

  7. 57
    Leah Says:

    I was really looking forward to finally getting to watch a whole game. This game started so differently in my head.

  8. 58
    Leah Says:

    Trying to prep myself for the shutout.

  9. 59
    Leah Says:

    Thank goodness!

  10. 60
    Pure Says:

    Chipper belts a homer in the 9th for his 1500th RBI. Pretty much the only thing good that happened in this game.

  11. 61
    Nate Says:

    On a positive note, I bought and listened to Mumford & Sons Sigh No More. Really good stuff. Not my typical thing as far as music goes, but I really enjoyed it song after song.

  12. 62
    Curt Says:

    Anyone have any rational explanation as to why these crowds are so awful? We had spring break last week. Maybe some other big counties have it this week?

  13. 63
    Adam Says:

    Maybe because its the series right after opening weekend? And to be fair it is the marlins…

  14. 64
    Steve Says:

    The crowd issue is really a confusing one. I think, basically, Atlanta is not filled with a tremendous amount of hard core baseball fans. So, a Wednesday night, during the school year, against the Marlins will draw very few. But a Friday night, against anyone, so long as 1. There are fireworks afterward and 2. Its more convenient because it’s not a school night, will draw much larger crowds.

    Think back to the end of the 2009 season, final week, the Braves were in the thick of the playoff hunt, it was a Monday night, school was back in session and there were barely 18,000 there. Compare that to Minnesota, Tuesday night this week, against a Marlins equivalent in the Royals and there were over 30,000.

    It’s just not a good baseball town. There is no other explanation in my mind.

  15. 65
    Turley Says:

    Curt you are right…I’d much rather give a pitcher in AAA a shot then have to suffer through the terrible Sherril outings…. I just can’t believe Gonzalez reall has confidence in him…And like I said before I still feel like despite the Offensive struggles as of late…and yes they are painful…we will bounce back…Uggla will come back…he will. He won’t just forget how to hit…he will get hot soon and we will all forget the early struggle. (maybe that’s more of a prayer buy hey) Freeman has a great glove…hopefully everyone will produce enough until he can get experience and mature as a MLB player. The pitching has to carry us this early stretch…Hanson finally pitched great…now we need solid starts of 2 run ball…the Offense will figure it out!!! …again I hope so anyway

  16. 66
    Curt Says:

    Uggla, along with a lot of other guys, looked pretty brutal last night. Obviously, my first time seeing him in person, and in a Braves uniform. He looked bad. And of course, Johnson was on it, but as Bobby used to say, he didn’t even get good wood on the ball.

  17. 67
    Eric Says:

    Throughout Uggla’s career he’s been a streaky player. Terrible in April, amazing in May, then for the rest of the season he could give you 0-25 one week, and pop three homers the next. At the end of the season his numbers look nice, but it’s kind of defeating to rely on him on daily basis to produce runs.

    All the talk has been about swapping McLouth and Heyward, when maybe we should all be clamoring to see Heyward the 5-spot.

    As far as the sad attendance, DOB had a few nice points about Atlanta traffic, the lack of public transportation, urban sprawl, and the Braves reliance on suburban crowds. I don’t think it’s the fans – I think it’s Atlanta. I can cheer the Braves just as hard from the bar across the street without dealing with an hour drive to the stadium, $15 on parking, then 2 hours home from the stadium when I have to be at work in the morning.

  18. 68
    DAP Says:

    There is some really good stuff in this thread, guys.

    Eric “All the talk has been about swapping McLouth and Heyward, when maybe we should all be clamoring to see Heyward the 5-spot. ”

    thats a really good point. i wouldnt be against burying uggla a little bit until he wakes up. heyward is performing really well right now, and i hate to think we arent capitalizing on it.

  19. 69
    Curt Says:

    Eric, trust me, the last problem anyone had last night was traffic

  20. 70
    Nate Says:

    I would love to see a Heyward/Uggla swap.

    On the crowd- You also have to consider the amount of commuters from TN, AL, SC, etc. who go to the Ted on the weekend.

  21. 71
    Nate Says:

    Plus anyone in GA living outside of Atlanta

  22. 72
    Curt Says:

    Plus, no one who lives in Atlanta is from Atlanta. Anyone who has listened to this show for any period of time knows that I believe that there are a million reasons why people don’t show up to Turner Field. Unlike STEVE, I don’t think Atlantans are bad fans. Nor are they anymore fair weather than most other major cities – please exclude Cardinals fans and groups like that who are truly great fans. Check out the crowd figures from Philly 7 years ago. Before their run their attendance was not that great. (7 years is a guess, so please don’t quote me on that.)

    My particular question had to do with these games in particular. Why do these 2 games constitute the worst two crowds in the history of Turner Field? That pitching matchup last night should have been worthy of a better crowd. Marlins are not much of a draw, given.

  23. 73
    Anne Says:

    Braves fans just want the Marlins to think they’re at their home park while they’re here.

  24. 74
    Steve Says:

    I stand by my #64, dammit. Shouldn’t the last week of the season, in the thick of a pennant race mitigate all of the reasons that Curt lists in #72?

  25. 75
    Curt Says:

    Anne, did you go either night? Just curious, not trying to indict. I can tell you that I had the primo seats last night right behind homeplate, and it was tough to get people to go. ended up not using one of the tickets. I booed Johnson at one point and i swear he looked right at me.

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