April 10, 2011

Show #142: The Braves Offense Goes Missing

Discussing the bats and relief pitching.  Assessing Freeman and McLouth at the plate.  And best and worst signs of the week.



173 Responses to “Show #142: The Braves Offense Goes Missing”

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  1. 101
    BRAVEinNY (Matt) Says:

    I have been much better dealing with losses this season, but last night really got me… terrible.

  2. 102
    Nate Says:

    Fredi makes me miss Bobby’s book. There. I said what we’ve all been thinking since the Sherrill/Linebrink disaster of last Saturday.

    Having Uggla bat 5th while he’s batting .160 is worse than McLouth batting 2nd, imo. It’s like having a pitcher bat right in the middle of the order. That said, Heyward needs to be moved from the 6th spot. I just don’t think all of our worries are over when that happens. You still have Freeman, McLouth, Uggla, and Gonzo in the lineup. By the way, for those who said Gonzalez was as good as Escobar when that trade was made, the verdict is in. Alex Gonzalez is nowhere near the player Yunel Escobar is. He might be a better teammate, but right now that isn’t amounting to a lot of wins. I really hope Tyler Pastornicky has something to offer our big league club one day, otherwise Wren and the Braves are going to look really dumb for that one. There, I’m officially pissed about that trade. Again. I will support the idea of good teammates and team chemistry, but not when a team drops it’s 3rd series in a row after winning game 1. That’s just ridiculous.

  3. 103
    Turley Says:

    Man…what a lame series ending once again…We need a sweep of the Mets…we have to! The fans need it… the team needs it as well. At least we score 5 runs…I mean I am trying to trick myself into seeing the positive….

  4. 104
    Turley Says:

    So what about a look ahead…? What do we look for this next series…besides wins. What are some key things we need to see from these games?

  5. 105
    Turley Says:

    Personally I think Uggla has to continue…and we reall just need to piece everything together ….instead of one night with terrible offense and awesome pitching and vice versa, we need it to come together finally.

  6. 106
    Eric Says:

    Big series from Chipper. He always kills the Mets.

  7. 107
    Bubdylan Says:

    Walker, agreed about that Fredi quote. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard a manager say. As if anybody was suggesting batting 1st. Or as if wanting him to get more at bats is the same thing as wanting him to get more at bats at ANY cost. I’m really beside myself at how ridiculous he’s being.

    It’s really no less clownish than saying:

    Well, if we’re that concerned about defense, let’s just field a squad of slick fielders who can’t hit.


    If you like small ball that much, let’s just bunt every time.

    Fredi’s making an 8th grade level straw man argument out of the very reasonable observation that NOBODY hits their best OPS guy in the SIXTH stinking spot.

  8. 108
    Curt Says:

    time to start checking the WC standings

  9. 109
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I am torn about where to bat Heyward (OBTW can someone PLEASE get Brian Jordan to stop pronouncing it so it sounds like “Heywood”??? Is it just me?).

    While I think it would be nice to have someone with a high OBP and some power at the two-hole, I would have a hard time asking Jason to bunt… But with the offense we have right now, manufactoring runs will be important… Plus, where do you put McClouth? I am not sure about the thought of swapping Prado and McClouth either… Having McClouth in the two hole does give him the ability to contribute w/o a hit (bunting, grounding to the right side to move runner from second to third after a double, etc.)

    Hitting as poorly as he is, Uggla is still on pace to hit 37 homeruns. Since all his HRs have been solo (accounting for all his RBI), I don’t think it would hurt to move him behind Heyward. At least he has been better than solid on defense, much better than reported prior to the season…

    As for Freeman, he is not doing bad at the plate – he is putting together several game hitting streaks. However, what may be more important, is we need to factor in how many runs he is saving with his defense… I think he has contributed a great deal to the fact that none of our infielders has a throwing error on throws to first (Freeman can definitely pick it). Also, he is a little predictable (as seen from the positioning of the defense of FLA – hit two would-be doubles right at the right fielder playing WAY off the line when they were playing him to pull in the infield). If he gets a little more relaxed and starts spreading the ball around, he should improve.

  10. 110
    Turley Says:

    What about Dan Uggla’s D…? Not the reason we brought him here at all…but hey we will take that kind of play. Now just play up to you history at the plate

  11. 111
    Turley Says:

    I agree Mark. Uggla could go to the 6 hole…not a bad idea. He really needs some streaks to get back on track. I am just going to try and stay positive and say that al will be well..and everything will turn around…Prado will bounce back to .310 or so same with Heyward maybe .303 30 HRs 90 RBIs and watch Uggla will hit .270 33 homeruns 98 RBI’s…McCann .290 23 HRs 105 RBIs…Chipper .315 15 HRs 95 RBIs….McLouth .265 15 HRs 56 RBIs…Now This more than wishful; thinking…but hey it keeps me thinking that things will get better

  12. 112
    Turley Says:

    Also…any thoughts on what we can expect from Beachy or JJ this season..or perhaps Minor or Teheran?

  13. 113
    Turley Says:

    Ok realistically I deon’t feel McLouth will reach the #’s I added at the top…but hey…. Can’t a man Dream? I feel Beachy maybe goes 10-7 with a 3.68 ERA…again maybe wishful thinking but it’s possible.

  14. 114
    Steve Says:

    Turley – I would not be surprised to see Teheran with the big club, assuming a legitimate need, by mid-year.

  15. 115
    Turley Says:

    Ok…I hope he is as good as advertised. I am a Die-Hard Braves fan from Nevada..close to Las Vegas, so I never get to go and see up and coming prospects in Gwinnett and such. I wish I could. Everthing I hear is that he is comparable to signs of Pedro Martinez. Thanks Steve I love the Show…thanks for the input. Do you think it’s plausible, if the production from the Shortstop position is down by July, that we went elsewhere for help in that area…? And if so who…? As much as I hate the Mets rumors are they might part ways with Jose Reyes…just random thoughts…I love Alex Gonzalez’s Defense and his character but his offense can leave us wanting…Thanks again for the info keep the show going..

  16. 116
    Kate Says:

    Braves lineup: 1. Prado LF, 2. McLouth CF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Uggla 2B, 6. Heyward RF, 7. Gonzalez SS, 8. Freeman 1B, 9. Lowe

    DOB tweeted the weather is bad in Atlanta. Any chance this game gets played?

  17. 117
    Steve Says:

    Hey Turley. Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad you like the show.

    I think if SS is a glaring need and, given that AGon is done after this year, they would definitely look at upgrading there. And the Mets will surely be sellers at the trade deadline. Reyes is in the final year of an 11MM contract this year, so would the Braves poney up ~5MM for a half year rental? Seems doubtful, but who knows. And it’s hard to say who else will be available come deadline time.

  18. 118
    Steve Says:

    Kate – the latest has a 40% chance of rain every hour from 6 – 11 tonight. So, it doesn’t look that good. Bill Simmons tweeted about his Red Sox the other night, something to the effect of, “is it a bad sign that I’m happy for the rainout tonight?” I’m in the same boat right now. I think a rain out would be perfect tonight.

  19. 119
    Walker Says:

    Lol at Curt. I was just thinking about doing that. Back to back complete games from Lee and Halladay for Phillies. Everything is going to plan for them.

  20. 120
    Curt Says:

    Major storms are moving in to Atlanta this whole weekend.

    I think the lineup should be completely ripped up. How about McLouth batting first with Prado second? I know McLouth doesn’t contribute much batting 2nd, but he does walk some. chipper then heyward, then mccann, uggla, gonzalez, freeman.

    if we are hoping on tyler pastornicky being the answer at SS…..help us.

    i will say that one of the worst parts about yunel escobar, is that he made elvis andrus expendable. thinking that if the braves didn’t believe that yunel was the SS of the next 10 years, no way they include andrus in that deal with TX, and we are talking about how solid we are at short. the braves have simply not done a good job of drafting and developing (and keeping) infield prospects. all their top guys are OFs and pitchers. we’re screwed in that department. no clue who might be out there to be had, but if it goes to form, they will not spend money to fill that need. it will be a rookie from within.

  21. 121
    Walker Says:

    Yeah its crazy to believe that in the last 5 years, the braves signed and developed two bonafide future all star major league shortstops and have nothing to show for it. Bad mismanagement. After A Gon leaves this year who going to play SS if Pastornicky isn’t ready? My guess is we are going to trade some of our young pitching for someone like stephen drew, Jhonny Peralta, or JJ Hardy. Erick Ayabar would be a nice leadoff hitter for us but I doubt the Angels would give him up. Either that or sign Marco Scutoro.

  22. 122
    Bubdylan Says:

    Phils winning.


  23. 123
    Jo-Bu Says:

    …and I don’t think Diory Hernandez is the answer at SS, his hitting stats look like a BINGO card… I-44, I-11… Decent enough fielder but we need one with some pop in the lineup.

  24. 124
    Nate Says:

    Curt, #120, I would of rather had Yunel than Elvis. I think the Braves made the right move from an offensive production standpoint, which is what the Braves currently need more of. Elvis is a pretty flashy guy. I don’t know if he would have fit the Braves’ way of doing things. The whole thing works out if the Braves don’t trade Yunel after one bad year.

  25. 125
    Turley Says:

    The future doesn’t look bright at SS…agreed. The more I think about it..I see us trading for a SS by the end of this year..unless Gonzalez goes crazy the rest of this year and we resign him. I suggest grabbing a player who is young enough and good enough to stick around for awhile…no more of this renting short term fixes…As of who? I have no idea…perhaps Stephen Drew? I like what he brings to the plate a decent average and pop too…We might be able to snatch him from AZ for some pitching they need young solid pitching and thats what we have…As of others we could target I have no idea

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