I agree with Brad. The number of black players in the MLB reached its peak in the 70′s and has dwindled ever since. The rising popularity of the NFL and Michael Jordan coincides with this dip. The whole thing is cultural. Black people quite simply see baseball as boring. Basketball and football have have more moving around and are easier to learn at a later age. Baseball is to be started in the early ages. Baseball has a fail rate greater than the other sports. Even overall baseball isn’t as popular as football and basketball because people don’t have long attention spans and only want to see a slam dunk, or a tackle. The sad thing is, if people really took the time to learn the game of baseball , they would like it. I swear, some people just know the terms “strike three” and “home run”. All I have to say is to just learn the game. Teach your kids the game.
Also the MLB may not have as many black players in the game as they would like but Major League baseball is the most diverse of all the pro sports league.
NFL- Black and White
NBA- Black and White (European)
MBL White, Black, Asian, Latinos
Shouldn’t have been that close – true. But this is the classic kind of game the Braves have given away all season. Except they didn’t tonight. I think this was a huge win. And, to echo Anne’s sentiments, it was really freaking cold there tonight.
I agree with much of what was said here about the dwindling numbers of black ball players. My only point is that when you take a big chunk of the potential fan base out of the equation, it’s not good for the long term health of the sport. And I want the sport to be as healthy as possible.
I just finished watching the crazy marlins-mets game. I was of course rooting for the mets so that the marlins will drop down. Top of the 11th and 2 outs they let Badenhop (pitcher) hit, and he delivered on a full-count, run-scoring, go-ahead single. Prior to that he was 1 for 23 lifetime. Then in the bottom of the 11th and 2 outs, count full, bases empty, mets pitcher Niese hit a triple and represented the tying run. But Jose Reyes struck out to end the game.
I will admit, that my source was actually my father who is generally in the know about a lot of things. This goes to show you, once again, that you should never trust your dads (this will ring true especially for kids named Jack, Charlie, Ike, Harry, and Oscar). Personally, I like the Shakespeare etymology, but that’s how I doth rolle.
Last night, I saw a replay of the entire Daily Show episode that had the McDowell clip. It was fantastic. The whole bit with Will Farrell was great.
guys, there are alot more than 3 black players on the teams between the phillies and braves. just fyi.
would more black players encourage more black fans at the park? this is a weird question to me. ill answer it with another question…does it really work that way? do white people go to see white players? do hispanic people go to see hispanic players? i dont think having black players or not has much to do with who comes to see the games, and part of me kinda hopes I’m right. Does that make sense? Is it ok if we just like baseball and dont worry about the race of the players?
I would be willing to bet that the % demographics of players in MLB is fairly close to the % demographics of the US.
I love the celebration of Civil Rights in Baseball, which had a huge influence on the Civil Rights movement, by the way. I hope they continue to have the weekend in Atlanta.
DAP, re #42. I realize that some people look at it as a big diversity issue. That’s not where I’m coming from. My point is, if MLB can stem this shift, they should, because it will help the long term health of the sport. And I’m not just talking about increasing the number of black players. I’m talking about marketing to the black community in general. You may be right that it is an oversimplification (and an incorrect one) that more black players on the field would equate to more black fans in the stands. Regardless, a big part of the population is turning it’s collective back on the sport and that’s never a good thing.
Nate (#43), here are the particulars on Granderson’s contract:
08:$1M, 09:$3.5M, 10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)
For what it’s worth, I have trouble believing this rumor. I realize their pitching is bad, but their offensive weapons are dropping like flies, too. Posada, Jeter, A-Rod … seems hard to fathom they’d give up Granderson.
I realize that the whole race conversation is fraught with the opportunity to say politically incorrect things, so I tread lightly here. For me, I think that with fewer black players on the field, it COULD lead to fewer black role models that are baseball players, which could lead to fewer young black people identifying with baseball players and as a result not wanting to play the game (as much) when they grow up. This seems like, if valid, it would be a downward spiral.
I also agree with a lot of what else is being said on the comments. I don’t think that the demographic of baseball equal the demographics of the US (the World quite possibly), but I definitely don’t think that the Braves’ demographics mirror those of the city of Atlanta. Not sure if it is a major problem for baseball overall, but I do wonder if it would boost attendance at Braves’ home games.
No way the Yankees trade Granderson for Lowe straight-up. Sounds like wishful thinking.
One more thing, why doesn’t Chipper just go ahead and have the surgery?! Is the tear in his meniscus going to heal itself? Is that even possible? If so, then that is the only reason that he shouldn’t have surgery immediately, right? What is the upside of him waiting?! Injuring it further? Playing sub-optimally?
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Okay, so I took a break and actually looked up if a meniscus can heal itself – the answer is it can in some situations, but generally only if you give it a lot of rest. There is a real danger of injuring it further if you try to come back too quickly. I think my above point is still valid then.
(I think I just threw up in Mark in Memphis’ mouth.)
I don’t think the suggestion that more black players would bring out more black fans is an oversimplification. I also don’t think it suggests that blacks would only be fans if there were more players representative of their culture on the field. Being a Falcons season ticket holder, I see plenty of black guys wearing Matt Ryan jerseys. You root for the team and the players, not their race (hopefully).
But for the Braves, being in Atlanta, you are missing out on a large swath of people in the city if you are somehow not reaching the African American community. There have been whispers for years that there is some racial element to the constuction of the Braves because of their lack of black players, which I personally find ridiculous. Hank Aaron is the iconic Atlanta Brave. Jason Heyward is the face of the Braves.
I think the point I was wondering about, is why aren’t there more African Americans at Braves games? Or at baseball games in general?