1) This is who we are: 60 games is a reasonable sample and we’ve already played something on the order of like 73 games.
2) For me to my opinion to change would have to see 3.5 to 4 weeks of winning baseball — not so much in win streaks but winning series.
3) The Braves just cannot seem to get over the hump of one of those teams that make you feel confident. They really do play like a .500 team though you look at the back of these guy’s baseball cards and say wow, we really are under performing as a team.
1) The shine is coming off of Heyward: FAIR! And guys, I’m glad you all mentioned that interview as the point that your views might have started downward because that interview was exactly when I thought, OMG, is this guy another jerk like Barry Bonds is/was? It doesn’t cost him a damn thing to be nice to anyone and he seems a bit entitled if you ask me. I’m also tired of the media treating him with kid gloves except for Brian Jordan.
2) Worried about starting pitching. FAIR, I guess. It’s really kind of a grey area for me right now. Hanson makes “still” makes me nervous then he goes out and puts up 14 Ks (which is my point exactly) you just don’t know which Tommy, Huddy, or Lowe will show up each time. But we pretty much know which Lowe will show up. I don’t care what anyone says, I really think Huddy is hiding something that is nagging him whicih is why I think he’s now a box of chocolates.
4) Batting Pitcher in 8th Spot: FAIR. What the hell, we’ve shuffled the top of the order so what difference does it make if Nate or Hanson bats 8th or 9th. I mean, what have we got to lose here?
UGGLA METER – Ok, I confess, I was dazzled by his brightness and baffled by his b.s. in Houston but at least he’s appears to be more patient.
Has anyone paid any attention to Freddi Freeman’s little mini slumps after he jacks one out of the park? He’s learning and actually I think for a rookie he seems to be learning quicker each time though I don’t have his stats in front of me. Gonzo has all of a sudden become a free-swinger in his slump. And Stevie, I agree, he’s a veteran and should know better and have a heck of a lot more discipline up there.
In comparing 2011 Braves to the 2010 Braves, I don’t seem to be hearing/reading, as we did last season, the stories of love for each other. Could this be a reason for the longer slumps this season? Maybe that’s a FOUL but I just haven’t heard any of those kinds of stories this season.
Boy oh Boy We are a spoiled bunch. We have been riddled with injuries, haven’t had our starting lineup since early May, we have Matt Young, Diory Hernandez, Conrad starting games yet we are tied with the NL Wild Card Lead. But we complain and complain. Lets complain if we suck when Chipper and Prado come back.
Also, Heyward’s shine is dimming in my eyes only because he is injury prone. If Jason Heyward plays 162 games healthy I have no doubt he CAN hit 25-35 HRs with a .300+ average. Dude can hit. He’s done it at every level. He just wasn’t completely prepared for the rigors of a MLB season. And lets all be honest here. There are numerous times when Chipper, Uggla and Gonzalez don’t run out ground balls but no one calls them out. And thats a fact.
@4 Early in the season not everybody hit their stride. Freeman was getting used to MLB pitching, Heyward shoulder was not 100%, McLouth was batting second for no apparent reason, and we weren’t aware that Uggla sucked that much.
For the “is this just who we are” question, I have to say: absolutely not. Three of the main four cogs of our offense – Prado, Heyward, and Uggla – are contributing at a fraction of their ability. That’s the Braves hitters with the three largest Wins Above Replacement numbers from 2010 currently injured, half injured, and brain injured, respectively.
I guess it’s “who we are” for an indefinite period of time, but at some point, surely … SURELY … that will change. Or else, we’re just cursed. Which, when I look at Yunel’s new contract and current offensive numbers, doesn’t seem out of the question.
The team is still boiling with potential. Freddie Freeman is showing a ton of upside I hadn’t expected at ALL. Delgado looked really promising to me. Teheran less so, but he went right back to blowing doors off in the minors, and since he’s clearly no Jo Jo Reyes mentally, I fully expect him to get through the MLB wall sooner than later upon next call up.
As Mike Minor’s biggest supporter in these parts, I’m ready for him to go bye bye.
Heyward’s shine was dimmed for me by his ridiculous comment to Stevie and his half baked twitter feed. He puts off a very obnoxious “too cool for school” vibe. It’s so mild and tolerable compared to the Bryce Harpers of the world, and I try to keep that in mind. But I’ll probably always root for Jason in a fairly mercenary capacity. I have no desire to see him become the face of the franchise. Would rather see McCann, Jurrjens, Freeman, Teheran, Delgado, or (a fully recovered) Dan Uggla holding that torch.
And I’d trade Heyward for Stanton in three seconds.
How is the worst sign not Tommy’s shoulder injury?
Yunel getting out of Atlanta was the best thing for both parties. Kind of funny that we see him and Elvis in back to back series. I think most people, like myself, we’re upset about the Yunel trade because we gave him away for virtually nothing. He was our MVP in 2009, and in 2010 we gave him away to the Blue Jays… Goes to show kids, you can hit .180 and start everyday (see Uggla/McLouth), but a bad year coupled with a bad attitude will get you traded.
Fortunately for us the Cards and Brewers seem to be following us step for step, so I still feel really good about the Wild Card. I’m getting closer and closer to feeling that we have no shot at catching the Phillies, though.
We’re hitting like the Padres, and we have so much more money invested in our lineup. That needs to change. Fans should be frustrated. Anyone who watched the Braves play last week should feel frustrated. Especially if you paid money to see it in person.
Walker/Steve – I don’t get the spoiled comment. How are we spoiled? By having a .500 baseball team playing well below its potential? And by what are we getting spoiled with?
Here’s a plate of food. Half of it is delicious, the other half is the worst food you could imagine. Eat it all and only point out how great the one half is, but don’t mention the bad. Oh, and regarding the bad half, we have all the ingredients and skill to make it good, we just don’t want to figure out how. We are relying on the fact that the good half will compensate.
If this team can not get their offensive house in order, they will only make the playoffs by backing into them. July starts next week. This is more than a blip on the radar.
Curt – my acknowedgement of spoiled is that we are 7 games over .500, in second place in the East and tied for 1st in the WC. That said, and to our doom and gloom last night, it all goes away if we keep playing like this.
BTW – Guys, you have got to let the interview go. You know Steve, Heyward doesn’t. He had probably answered 50 reporters on the thumb injury and telling them it wasn’t an excuse. We know Steve wasn’t trying to do so, but if you took the question out of the context of Steve asking it, it could have come off (at least when I heard it) as someone trying to get a “sound bite” to be able to headline “Heyward admits injury caused slump” (or something like that). And the rest of the interview was a guarded Heyward being careful of what he said.
Guess I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think Hudson was over-acheiving all year. He just doesn’t miss a lot of bats. If he isn’t throwing “ground balls” all the time, he gets hit hard.
I don’t know how Hanson is going to react to his shoulder problem. It may give Beachy a chance to see what he can do, but I don’t want him to pitch too many innings in his first season “in the biggs”.
It is feast or famine with Lowe and he doesn’t seem to “taper off” any more. It is like at a point in the game, he just falls off a cliff.
JJ has been really good. He seems to have learned to be a pitcher instead of trying to “blow everyone away” (wish he could teach that to Kimbrel – i.e. back off just a hair so you can put the ball where you want it and let the natural movement on your pitches do the rest). However, with JJ, you end up with a couple of hits sandwiched around a four-pitch walk in the middle of an otherwise stellar performance… inexplicable.
jo-bu “Gonzo has all of a sudden become a free-swinger in his slump.”
if by “all of a sudden” you mean “from the dawn of time” then, yeah.
one of y’all (probably curt) referred to the braves as a sub-par team. its almost as if you watch this braves team while completely ignoring the 14 other games going on around baseball. with 40 wins, there are only 3 teams in MLB that have won more games. just 3. 2 of those are in the AL east. by the way, curt, the braves are not a .500 team. check the standings.
I just think we are slightly spoiled at times because I put myself in the shoes of Royals, Pirates, Orioles fans. They would love to be in our position. The Braves have basically been competitive for a playoff spot the last 20 years. That’s even longer than the Yankees. Remember they sucked in the early 90′s. I want us to do better but I’m just grateful we are still relevant.
Walker, I know where you are coming from, but we aren’t those teams. We shouldn’t even think on the level of those teams. Trust me, no one remembers how bad the Braves were more than me. But we have to think above that. I do. The Yankees fans aren’t thinking about how the Royals fans feel, or how the Orioles fans feel. They are thinking about how they can win a championship. That’s what I want our mentality to be. Think like a champion, be a champion. Think like the Pirates, except mediocrity.
On a side note, it’s a tragedy that MLB cares so little for once proud franchises, and their fanbases, like the Royals, Pirates and Orioles that they let those teams languish. Ownership in KC and Baltimore is particularly disgusting, but put in a cap and make those teams relevant again. It will only help baseball.
It was an amazing night at the ballpark tonight. There was confidence in the air even when it was still 0 – 0 in the 7th. It just felt like the Bravos had it in them tonight. And then the Huddy homer was ridiculous. It was obviously out the moment he hit it. And the cheers and excitement from the crowd had a distinctly different feel then the typical go ahead homer. The fact that it was Huddy added a lot to the whole scene. Fantastic.
And Yunel’s return was an absolute non-event. Barely any fan reaction one way or another. It was very strange. Braves fans love to boo ex-players, regardless of how they left town. I was sure Esco was really going to hear it. And yet it was like he was just another Blue Jay. When Uggla hit in to the DP late in the game he was booed 10x more than Esco was at any point.
It was a question. You used their record as an indicator of how good you thought they were. I’ll give you top-5 in the NL. I’ll give you top-10 in baseball. But, in MY opinion, this team has a ways to go to win postseason series against upper echelon opponents. As we said on the show – 3 good weeks in a row and my feelings will change. Would I be surprised if they won the World Series? No. Saw the Giants last year with great pitching and little hitting do it. The pitching, if on, could easily carry us a long way. But you can’t have an off week in the playoffs. You do and you go home. And us scoring 2 runs last night off of a homer by our pitcher does not help soothe my anxiety.
Curt, DAP, I think you’re both splitting hairs over a mediocre baseball team. MLB has very few good to very good teams. The Red sox and Phillies seem to be on another level. Then you have a whole bunch of teams like the Yanks, Braves, Brewers, Cards, Tigers, Rangers, and maybe one of the teams in the NL West. I think this is another year, like the Giants last year, where one of the teams in the second group I listed could very easily win, but if the Sox and Phils are hot in October no one has any chance. Just my thoughts.
Anyone hearing anything about new ownership? It is said in Colorado, Liberty Media would like to unload them. New ownership could be good news if they let Braves management take some payroll chances to win. Of course, Wren will have to prove to new owners that Uggla was his only mistake.
Totally agree with Nate (#45) – Braves are in the second group of teams that look very average or very good depending on the week. It is a long season, with ebbs and flows – this is not college football where every week is do or die. That said, I can not figure out the lack of runs – or, more accurately, I can figure out the lack of runs, given the low OBP and SLG, but I can’t figure out why it seems so many Braves are not performing even to their historical numbers. Are the Braves using a humidor?
46 Well, unlike in years past where Puj was 7 – 10 wins above replacement, this year he is under 2.5… so, it may not be quite so hard for them to do without him for 4 to 6 (of course, that could translate to 6 – 8 before he is on the field).
But, then again, his presence can cause extra stress dealing with him so others may benefit, but I guess that remains to be seen…
Their usual pitching probably won’t be able to “carry” them…
#52 – I don’t know Kate. Turner Field is a house of horrors for Jo Jo (career 5.81 ERA there) and he’s a worse pitcher in day games (career 7.01 during the day vs. 5.09 at night). AND I believe that Beachy going to look great tomorrow. AND Jo-Jo is bad.
DAP (#43): Curt’s .500 record comment aside, what do you really think about the team right now? I get that you’re arguing a point, but do you think they’re a top tier team? Do you think, with the past 75 games as your data, that this team will make it and go far in the playoffs?
I just look at the combination of the amazing pitching and the almost league worst average (13th), OBP (13th) and runs scored (11th) and it feels like it will soon collapse on itself.
Despite my #57, pretty great game tonight. Everyone got at least one hit (except Uggla, of course) and double digit hits didn’t result in 1 or 2 runs as they have in the past.
My one complaint is Fredi bringing in Venters in the 9th with a 4 run lead. Rest the kid as much as you can given his ungodly number of appearances already. Linebrink has only giving up runs in one of his last 16 appearances. He seemed like an obvious choice. And only one of the first three batters was a lefty. Not smart bullpen management.
#58 re Venters – I commented a while ago about “hidden” injuries and how much the trainers may or may not be culpable. In the same vein, I wonder how much argument/pushback Fredi gets from Eddie Lopez (he’s still the bullpen coach, right?) or Roger MacDowell when he calls to say, “send in so & so.”
I’m watching on Gameday and like how they have a graphic for the pitchers for what % of their game is which pitch. 32% cutters, 22% sliders, whatever. Jo-Jo has like, three pitches, and forgets to use two of them most of the time.
Steve @ #57, my response to Curt is how I usually respond to irrational negativity.
To answer your questions, I think the team right now is very good, because of the great (not good) pitching staff, and good defense. The Braves’ players’ track record suggests they can be a good offensive team as well, though they certainly aren’t right now.
I don’t think they are a top tier team, but all they would need is for some of those offensive rankings to move to middle of the pack, and they would be, because of the pitching.
I do think this team will make the playoffs, and will make it far, barring injuries. I think we would have advanced last season if we hadn’t been missing Jones and Prado.
I can’t think of a single team the Braves wouldn’t match up well against. The pitching is that good.
I saw where the following was suggested on a web site:
Braves Get: LF Josh Willingham and 2B Scott Sizemore
Athletics Get: CF Nate McLouth and SP Arodys Vizcaino
Justification (from the article):
Braves built to win now.
Future rotation (two to three years): Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, Arodys Vizcaino, Mike Minor, and Brandon Beachy. At least two are left over as trade bait. JJ & Hanson are not going anywhere. Would have to be BIG deal to pry away Teheran, Minor or Delgado. Beachy contributing at ML level, but Vizcaino has more upside and value in trade.
Braves need help in OF. McLouth under performing, Prado out for a while. Willingham 10 HR, 42 RBI and .333 with runners in scoring position. Sizemore (.265 (.343 in June), 1 HR, 10 RBI), relagated to bench, could spell Uggla.
Willingham is DTD with an Achillies problem at the moment…
Steve (#56), sorry, wouldn’t know how to do a link if I had one (a generational thing). Here in Colorado, the talk of Braves being sold started with the story you can google and probably already read: “Forbes: Malone’s Liberty Media may want to sell Atlanta Braves.” As you know, the Braves were used to balance out a bigger business deal. Liberty Media employees live in my area (Douglas county, Colorado) and they do feel that the company wants out. Also, the subject occassionally hits the talk shows here so I was wondering what is being said elsewhere. You probalby also know that the CEO made $87.1 million last year (Similar to the total Braves payroll). Must be nice milking your acquisitions!
DAP, I would have gone with predictably cynical or numbingly pragmatic. Irrationally negative just doesn’t work. Particularly when you then spout out all the things I have been saying for weeks. And if this is still about me saying the Braves were a .500 team when they were actually 5 games over…seriously?
Moving on. Article I read today said Cuban was interested in the Dodgers, but with all the lingering problems out there, he might not go for it. Liberty went into the Braves deal with the agreement (with Selig) that they would own the Braves for at least 4.5 years. That timeframe is apparently up at the end of the season, and as john j points out, the team isn’t a core asset for Liberty, and we can all hope. Cuban would be at the top of the list for potential owners for me, and with the bright future of the franchise, they would certainly be attractive. No way his involvement wouldn’t be met with huge fan support.
#67: Vizcaino is a very prized prospect. That said:
Here are Sizemore’s career numbers: .241 .324 .332 – No thanks. Plus, we’ve got a 2nd basemen signed for 5 years, like it or not.
And Willingham’s: .262 .362 .469 He’s a decent piece, but not Vizcaino worthy.
And Michael Bourn: .266 .335 .355 Again, a decent player, but I’d not give up a prized pitching prospect for him either.
Curt, predictably cynical or numbingly pragmatic also work, and its your glass-half empty view on a team thats actually doing well, along with your trouble with simple math that is motivating me here. You described the Braves in the pod cast as a “sub-par team”. Please correct me if that wasn’t you…and if it was, correct yourself!
Hey Mark, I think any player we trade for is going to have to be a full time CF or SS, or they will be a part time player. I wouldn’t be against having Ludwick to fill in at the corners, but I wouldn’t play him everyday over anyone we have, and I wouldn’t put Heyward in CF full time. Luckwick would have to be cheap enough in terms of prospects to justify him being used as a part time player. Same with Willingham, who you mentioned earlier.
Oh, Walker…I saw your post on the last page about Morton. The trade didn’t exactly work out the way we hoped, but I wouldn’t get worked up about Morton yet. his stats are that of a 4th starter, and just because he has Halladay’s mechanics, doesn’t mean he’s going to pitch like Halladay. He does have good stuff though.
I think you guys are being too tough on the Bravos. Know how many teams in the MAJORS have more wins than we do? TWO. The Phillies and Red Sox. This with all our injuries and Ugglas painfully slow start. Ease up.
Royce and others – you are probably right, But can you honestly tell me that it feels like the Braves are that good. If you had watched all the games this season, but were not able to look at the standings or the records of any other teams, would you truly believe that only two other teams had more wins than them? And, when told that, wouldn’t you sort of feel that the rest of the league must not be so good?
I am not going to get into the DAP assault on Curtis, but just to be clear, our sentiments were that the Braves feel like a sub-par team. Maybe “par” is unrealistically high. Maybe they are not that “sub”.
Again, you are most likely right – we have been tough on our boys and their record should speak for itself.
Hamilton, being myself the world’s worst offender in this area, I have to say that in baseball, except at rare intervals, teams never seem like they’re doing that well. It’s an extremely frustrating sport to watch day by day.
I hang out on the Philly blog sometimes, and you never saw fans of a first place team with a maybe-historic rotation and clear leg up come playoff time so down in the dumps. Some of that is because the internet is filled with neurotic worry-warts. But some of it is because that’s baseball. A big long grind of ballplayers seeming to not quite do what they could do if only they __________.
re: the perception of this podcast’s pessimism, I’m surprised to just now see it talked aobut this heavily in the comments. It’s the first thing I ever heard about ABT. But that’s its personality: Wonder Stevie vs. the Downcast Duo. I thought we all knew this? 8)
Good Point Bubdylan. Baseball is a Fail sport and is extremely frustrating.. That’s why it takes the good teams 81 games to get 10-15 games over 500. If I only succeed at anything in life 3 out of 10 times I’m a considered a loser. Not in baseball. I don’t care what yall say. We are some crazy spoiled fans to complain that we only have the third best record in MLB and leading the wild card even though we have an ancient 3rd basemen, weird manager, injuries galore, rookie first basemen and closer. I feel lucky. Complainers are like a man that drives his wife away because he concentrates only on the few things she doesn’t do and not on all the great things she does do. Relax folks the Braves will get into the playoffs this year.
My hope is that at some point we get back to talking about the Braves. Particularly during a week where we all can find something to be happy about. I find it ironic that to point out that the show is negative, people have heaped negativity on us, and in some cases resorted to personal attacks.
First off, this show is done on a weekly basis. During the show, we cover what went on during that past week. This past show was done after the Braves had gone 2-4 at home against some decent, but not high caliber opponents. Two wins coming on a walk off balk, and when two infielders collided on a pop up and allowed the Braves to score 2 runs. The pitching looked bad. The offense continued to be bad, etc., etc. Not a lot to get excited about. It was reflected in the show. Imagining that this week’s show will be a little different, based on what we have seen so far.
We try and take on topics that will generate conversation. If we spent every show talking about how perfect the team was, agreeing on everything, and buying our championship t-shirts, how interesting would that be? How much conversation would we generate? The whole purpose of this exercise and this forum is so we can talk with other fanatical Braves’ fans about our favorite team. We don’t get paid. We do it because we love the team as much as anyone else on here. Speaking for myself, I am not a hopeless optimist. Just my nature. Are the Braves good this year? Yes. Are they great? No. Can they win the WS? Yes. Can they miss the playoffs? Yes. There it is. I’ve watched the Braves for a long time and they have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Just the way I feel.
We appreciate so much that we are able to do this podcast, and that 1 person (Ham’s mom) listens, let alone hundreds. We appreciate that all of you take the time to be part of this community. We sought out topic suggestions on Twitter. We want you all to be part of the show. We each have our own opinions about stuff. That’s what makes it great and rich. No issue in people disagreeing. Let’s just make sure we keep it to the team and civil.
Also, in case my high-falutin’ post #88 seemed to belong to the “take the high road” optimism gang, I’m sure everybody here remembers how negative I can be in bad moods toward the Braves. I may be the worst here for personal attacks.
Wrapping up an incomplete in Shakespeare, I’ve barely been able to watch any games. It’s easy to keep your chin up when five minutes of box scores and after-game quotes are all you have to suffer each day, and you only hit the highlight films after wins.
Good LORD. That’s some world record positivity right there.
All I can say is, Steve’s kids should have some great self esteem. “I’ll admit the rock probably shouldn’t have been thrown at the officer in the first place, but he did nail him perfectly, didn’t he? Madduxesque.”
At the beach this week soaking up some sun. I think the “negativity” is simply a reaction to what we all want the Braves to be, which is exceptional. I like the blunt honesty of the podcast rather than rose colored glasses wearing Pollyanna type perspectives.
The intent of this show is and has always been to provide our perspective of the Braves, as fans of the team. To talk about the stuff real fans (us, at least) want to talk about, to be shamelessly optimistic or madeningly negative, or whatever. We never play “radio” or “podcast” on the show to drive interest or generate conversation, etc. We focus on what are burning topics for us that week and talk about them.
That said, please disagree with us if that’s your opinion or agree with us if that’s your opinion. But keep coming back. Doing the show for Ham’s mom and they guy that sits next to me at work is much less fun than for the community we’ve created here on the message boards and beyond.
Has this really come down to SS? It seems like every other position, outside of maybe some less shaky right handed middle relief, is filled. Jose Reyes is not coming out of NY for less than a goldmine, and with that, it’s probably a rental. I’ll bet the Mets would want four prospects – big prospects – for him, at least. Is it worth it to part with 3 high to moderate pitchers and Salcedo or someone like that to get him? Do the financial woes of the Wilpon’s make him tradeable?
Who else it out there? I haven’t scoured teams thinking about who we should get. If Alex Gonzalez struck out just a little less, I could totally live with him. Same with Schafer. Are we looking for a CFer?
Walker “I would rather have Morton right now than mcLouth. That I know for sure.”
i would too, but only so that we could trade him for something else! :- )
Ham @ 87 Im sad my posts to Curt are seen as an “assault”! It’s intended to be honest discussion, in good spirit, I promise. Which is, I know, exactly what you want. As frank as Y’all can be in your negativity, I tend to be just as frank in my admonition to “Get Real.” :- )
Anyways, I always love the show, and look forward to it every week.
Curt, you know what that Alexi idea made me think of? Brent Lillibridge. He is having a heck of a season, and it might just be a hot streak, but he is really hitting in part time duty, and can play SS and 3rd along with all three outfield spots.
DAP, re #115 – I had come to the site right now to post that same exact bit from DOB’s comments board. Pretty damn funny.
I don’t see the Bravos giving up anything of substance for a SS. I don’t believe that position is really in there sights for improvement. It’s cliche, but Gonzo really does save a bunch of runs with his glove.
I think the only position they’re looking at is CF. Jordan’s been fine, but not special enough to block a good opportunity that comes up. Hell, he could be traded to get that CF piece.
What about Marlon Byrd? He’s 33, i think, so I don’t see him as a piece the Cubs are building around. Possible utility players could be Jamey Carroll or Jason Bartlett. If we could get another solid reliever from the Friars and Bartlett it would be huge.
It would be great to have another good right handed reliever in the bullpen. I kinda hope it will be Medlen, but I don’t know if you can count on him coming back sharp this season. Huddy didn’t look great in those couple months when he first got back from TJ.
How about Minor or Beachy, McLouth, Schafer and Delgado to Houston for Pence(LF – 4 or 5) and Bourn(CF – leadoff)?
Pence/Bourn (.321/.361/9HR/51RBI/4SB/0CS, .284/.353/1HR/25RBI/32SB/3CS – P 100%, B 91.4%, total SB 36) is definitely an upgrade vs McLouth/Schafer (.233/.328/3HR/11RBI/2SB/2CS, .231/.310/1HR/4RBI/8SB/4CS – SB%: M 50%, S 67%, total SB 10).
Swap Bourn for Schafer in leadoff (better BA, still has speed and proven base stealing experience at ML level). Slide Pence into 4/5 depending on RH/LH pitcher so he and McCann can protect each other (and have someone to clean-up when McCann sits) – leaves Heywood at 2, Chipper at 3, moves Freddie back to 6, Uggla 7 and Gonzo 8.
So far, we have no information that Prado will be back wiith the team this season. We all assume he will, but after this long, how much damage has the infection done to his calf and how much “damage” to his stamina has been done by the layoff? It isn’t like he has been able to work out during this time…
I think I read some where he was laid up in bed, leg elevated, for days while he was getting initial antibotics/treatment for the infection.
Still need Prado to spell Chipper/Uggla and to “take over” at 3rd eventually.
Well, I definitely don’t see that being a problem before the All Star break. I think it will be much longer than that.
When Prado is cleared to begin working out, I figure it will be at least two weeks (minimum) before he is ready for “anything baseball”. It isn’t like he has been rehabing an injury (i.e. working out), he has had to be “off it” completely – basically, just short of “bed ridden”.
When he is ready to get back, the questions will be:
- How long will it be to get himself back to hitting, etc. in the minors before rejoining the team?
- How long after joining the team will he be in starting shape? (i.e. would the Braves keep him in the minors till he was ready to start or would they want him to come off the bench and spot starting till he is ready to play everyday?)
- Will he be ready to start everyday again this season?
So, to answer your question: So what happens when we have Pence, Bourne,Prado,and Heyward for only 3 outfield spots?
Or, perhaps, through the “dog days of summer” in Atlanta, Prado subs for Chipper, then Gonzo, then Uggla , then Freddie, then Pence, then Bourn, then Heyward, mix in a few days where he comes off the bench and everyone gets regular play with regular rest down the strech.
Still, the entire question is predicated upon Prado being able to recover enough to rejoin the team this season as an “everyday player”. If he is only able to rejoin as a bench player, the point is moot.
Early in the year, I heard from several “analysts” that they thought that the Braves should have kept Minor instead of Beachy on the club out of spring training. They usually referred to Minor as having more “upside”.
Is this opinion a “draft” thing, since Minor was a first round draft pick and Beachy was undrafted (all speculation – I know this happens in the NFL… drafted vs undrafted impacts contracts their whole career most of the time)? Or was it something in their delivery, command, “stuff”, “make-up”, etc.?
Do you (whom ever would like to comment) think Minor has more ‘upside’ than Beachy?
If you HAD to include one of them in a trade, which one?
That is such a hard question, I’m just glad I’m not deciding and Wren and company is. To me even though Beachy is pitching better now, I’m afraid Minor will have a better future. I really don’t know. They are equal to me right now.
Alright folks. The Bravos stand at 4 – 1 this afternoon. Will you feel remarkably different tonight if the Braves win and show some offense (like yesterday) or lose looking helpless at the plate (like Friday)?
Steve, Curt, Ham, if this thing settles into more of a Wild Card race than a division race for the Bravos, do you think you guys will do a show that discusses teams like the Diamondbacks, Giants, Brewers, Cards, etc? I know it’s a long ways off, but just curious. We all know the Phillies up and down, but I barely know the potential WC teams. Do you all follow them much?
#159 – I hear what you’re saying Nate. But, one of the walks was intentional. The single that drove in the first run was knocked down by Venters and should have been an easy play to Gonzo to end the inning with no runs and he’s the best reliever in baseball. I’m not too wound up about it, fwiw.
BUT, Venters still created his own demise by WALKING the first batter… I am not disturbed so much when the releiver makes a good pitch and the batter has a good swing and manages to drop one in off a good pitch… that’s baseball.
I AM disturbed when a reliever comes in and WALKS the first batter he faces. Baseball statistics would show that you have less than a 50/50 chance of the batter reaching base on a good fastball “down-the-middle”. However, the batter reaches 100% of the time on a walk and the walked runner tends to score in a one run game more often than not (in my opinion, there is a psychological “let down” by the defense and pitcher after a lead-off walk… that feeling of “we gave them a gift and it is uphill from here” i.e. pressing to overcome, a little drop in confidence, etc.)