July 06, 2011

Show #154: Our Mid-season Report Card

The Best.  The Worst.  A Grade for Fredi. Predictions for the Second Half.

 

 

337 Responses to “Show #154: Our Mid-season Report Card”

  1. 1
    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m listening to atLANTA BASEball talk!!! And commenting as I go. Because I’m that lame.

    Happy Birthday, Ham’s dad. Curt’s dad, sorry about Curt.

    Pixar, you Fredi’d up bad when Wonder Stevie slams you. Knock it off!

    I’m not buying the Schafer causing recent success. We’re 19-8 since Prado left us, so I’m no more prepared to credit Schafer’s presence than Prado’s absence. The offense is improving, but pitching is what’s doing this mainly.

    I wouldn’t make much of Chipper being elected to the ASG in a year when he’s lesser than years he didn’t make it. It has everything to do with the poor year at 3B in the NL. Yeah, his history probably has something to do with them choosing Chipper over somebody doing about the same as him, but his year is plenty good to deserve it in a down year for the position. In other words, I don’t think this is a “he’s clearly retiring” movement.

    Fair on Chipper’s surgery now. If nothing else, the rest for his whole body would be nice. But he’s not doing it.

    I’m all in for Kimbrel as full time closer. I take back all I said to the contrary.

    A BEE MINUS for Fredi Gonzalez? AAAAGGGHHHH!! Are you trying to hurt my computer? D+

    Look, it’s not the choices he makes themselves, but his quotes about them that absolutely confirm how stupid headed they are. Heyward’s an RBI guy, so bat him 6th. Nate’s a human being, so bat him second. Proctor was in there, I thought we had ‘em right where we wanted. He makes NO SENSE. He’s not just baseball stupid, he’s actually stupid. He’s got regular stupid, and lots of it.

    These line ups with two of the worst OBP’s in BASEBALL at the top are just outrageous.

    And his lack of support for the guys during bad umpire calls … and his comment on JJ was just offensively spineless. Fredi’s bad parts are so bad that the only way he can possibly escape a score of F from me is his general gambling spirit with the line up, which I like, and the fact that, late as it came, at least he finally, in some ridiculously frigged up measure, admitted the Venters thing and took steps to correct it.

    Very funny riff on Uggla as the forerunner to the comeback player of the year as an asset.

    I’d take Bobby back in a split second with the one worry that he might put Venters in the hospital.

    Favorite series was probably the second Phillies series win, the Civil Rights one. I know it was at home, but it capped a 4-2 week against the Phillies. However, the Seattle series is so much fresher on my mind and it’s hard not to love it the best.

    Worst series: tie between the two Mets series. Yuck. I don’t hate the Phils, but I hate, hate, hate the Mets. Rather be swept by the Astros than lose two to the Mets. (David Wright and R.A. Dickey always excepted…)

    Have to play Uggla the rest of the season. The investment is too big. Have no idea if he’ll improve, a complete coin toss for me.

    19 wins for Jurrjens and 18 for Hanson.

    I like the Phils to win the East. Nothing against the very good Bravos. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves won it, though. As always: Heyward and Uggla have the keys to that possibility.

    Yes, the season ends against the Phils. I think it’s at home.

    I’ll call a 4-3 week as well. 2 losses in Philly.

    Great show, fellas. Kudos for recording again quickly.

  2. 2
    Bubdylan Says:

    Holy Crap.

    That’s the last time I post through a show. Sorry.

  3. 3
    Bubdylan Says:

    Someone calling himself “squinch” just posted that D. Lowe had more RBI’s in today’s game than Alex Gonzalez has had in his last 73 AB’s. If that’s true, wow.

  4. 4
    will Says:

    Nice show guys.

    Kimbrel brought it tonight against Colorado. Now tied for the record…

    It’s the first game I have watched him this year.

    (Yes, I have been out of it)

    What is it with that weird set up he has?

    He was hitting the low corners at 99mph…freaking made Giambi look really old.

    I guess he seems young..a few overthrown pitches in the dirt.. but…yeeesh. Ain’t broke, don’t fix.

  5. 5
    Curt Says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_10_degrees_fixing_all_star_game_070411

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    ham Says:

    Bub- I am all for you posting while you listen.

  7. 7
    Andrew Says:

    Loved the Tuesday Podcast, changing it up a little bit. But with Dan Strugla this year, how would you feel if they brought up Brandon Hicks from Gwinnett and moved him to 2nd. I have seen him play a couple of times and he not to bad. Right now he is batting .271, 13 HRs, and 29 RBIs. Other then that, who else in the minors do you give a chance in the majors. Maybe give him a jump start or something just to get him going and turn it around for the 2nd half.

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    Curt Says:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_verducci/07/05/all-star-game-troubles/index.html?xid=siextra_070611

  9. 9
    DAP Says:

    curt, you wouldnt bat bourn leadoff in this lineup? i say foul on that one. :- )

    you have to play uggla, because this team needs him to hit. if uggla isnt playing and hitting, this team wont make it all the way. hes not hitting much now, but hes more likely to hit if he is in the lineup. know what i mean?

    besides, uggla is still making it happen in the power department. we do need that pop in the lineup.

  10. 10
    Steve Says:

    Re Bourne. Yeah, I meant to bring that up in the show last night but got sidetracked. He’s hitting .280, his obp is over .350 and he has 30+ steals. I would absolutely lead him off.

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    ham Says:

    Notice that Verducci did not call for the ASG to be meaningless (i.e. not for WS home field advantage) – just to change how it is played/managed. I am for that. In some ways, it has the potential to be the best game of the year.

  12. 12
    Anonymous Says:

    Congrats to Sluggla. Yes, Uggla may have turned it around or maybe he will continue to be a slugger one day and a slug the next.

  13. 13
    john j Says:

    #12 was mine (don’t like “anonymous”)

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Michael Bourn to the Braves.

    If you agree that in comparing McLouth and Shafer, McLouth is the better hitter and Schafer is the better defender…

    Bourn is a better hitter than McLouth, at least as good a defender as Schafer and a better base stealer than either (best in league right now? best in MLB?).

    He is relatively cheap to own and I think could be had for McLouth and prospect or two) not including Delgado, Terhan, etc.

    He wouldn’t cause a log-jam in the OF when Prado comes back and would be the leadoff man (w/ Prado hitting second) that we have needed…

  15. 15
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Fair

    Surprised that Hanson didn’t make it. A little surprised that Kimbrel didn’t make it.

    Not really surprised that Chipper and Venters made it.

    Would have been aghast is McCann and JJ didin’t make it…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Foul

    Let Prado get back before fixing Chipper’s knee.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Thanks, Hammy.

    Something I haven’t heard mentioned: bad as Uggla is, you know he still makes pitchers very nervous. Just the combination of his past power and really his current power, too, as far as power goes. Yesterday’s two walks speak to that.

    Speaking of which, I liked the two walks almost as much as the XBH’s.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Foul

    Keep Kimbrel as closer.

    (I still wish I knew what McCann said to him in the TX series. He has been a different pitcher since then…)

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Mark in Memphis, Bourn would cost way more than that. A premium prospect, a second tier prospect, and Schafer at minimum. They’d have no use for McLouth in a walk year.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I can live with the B- on Fredi

    I understand he is trying to load up on right handers against a lefty pitcher, but to that end, the only right handers we have are low-average/high strikeout guys…

  21. 21
    DAP Says:

    Bubdylan “Bourn would cost way more than that. A premium prospect, a second tier prospect, and Schafer at minimum.”

    hmm…no, less than that, but were are getting closer!

  22. 22
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    BUT Uggla’s homer was another of the same he has hit almost all his this season… A mistake on the inner half that he could hit even though he was pulling off the ball.

    I wish Fredi/Parrish would walk up to him and say something like:

    “We are going to change your approach at the plate.”

    “From now on, you take everything you swing at the other way. I don’t care where the pitch is, if you decide to swing at it, it better be aimed at right or right-center. EVERYTHING. You don’t, you sit.”

    “What you have been doing up till now hasn’t worked. A definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, expecting different results. A new season starts now. ;)

    If that doesn’t stop him from pulling off the ball, I am not sure anything will. If you see him miss that outside pitch and go to (or towards) a knee, his head led toward left field…

  23. 23
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    19

    I don’t necessarily agree, but even so.

    I would be willing to consider that as long as the premium isn’t Terhan or Minor (I don’t include Beachy as a prospect anymore). But if you include Schafer in the deal, I don’t see it taking more than adding Delgado.

  24. 24
    Bubdylan Says:

    DAP, you think we can get a guy who’s put up 3.3 WAR in half a year, in a CF starved market, who doesn’t cost much, for less than Delgado, Schafer, and Hoover? He’s been worth as much as McCann this year. Would we give up McCann for less than three unknowns?

  25. 25
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Good signs:

    Freddie Freeman
    There were MANY around baseball that wondered if he would hit enough for the Braves to be able to play him at first in a pennant race. The though was that with the expected offensive production from Heyward, Uggla, Prado, McCann and Chipper, that the Braves could overcome any shortfall in offense from that “corner infield” spot.

    Brian McCann
    NO EYE TROUBLE!

    Tommy Hanson
    More consitantcy, going deeper in games.

    JJ
    Pitching instead of throwing.

    A Gone
    Defensive prowise we didn’t see last year (but heard about)

    Uggla
    SO MUCH better defensively than we were led to believe. Expectations were a “sub-Brooks-2010-playoff” capability. What kind of record would we have if he were that bad defensively AND not hitting?

    Bullpen
    With all the press about players, coaches and the like trying to talk (I actually had to pause for a moment typing this to remember his name) Billy Wagner into one more season. Even with Proctor and early season Linebrink, we have one of if not the best ERA in the league.

  26. 26
    Bubdylan Says:

    Okay Mark and DAP, I just took a tour of Astros message boards concerning Bourn. It seems he’s nowhere near as precious/ valuable to them as McCann et al to us. So it’s possible I don’t know what I’m talking about…

    I reckon that’s the trouble with weighing WAR too much, etc.

  27. 27
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    24

    If our farm system and team were in as bad a shape at Houston, we might – but probably not because 3.3 at catcher is SO MUCH MORE valuable than 3.3 at CF.

    And while I won’t dispute your “CF starved market” claim, just because there is a lack of CF’s, doesn’t mean teams are beating a path to their door… Atlanta is one of a very FEW teams that would have an interest in Bourn because he is not the “big bat” that MOST teams are looking for.

    I would anticipate that most teams would be “knocking” to inquire about Hunter Pence. Most playoff teams are trying to fill corner (either infield or outfield) spots with “big bats”. If Atlanta could get a “big bat” for center, they would, but equally valuable to the Braves would be a true leadoff man (high OBP w/ speed).

    The only other real upgradable spot (not counting 2B) is shortstop – I anticipate an EVEN MORE starved market there…

    In Atlanta, Houston has a trading partner from which they can aquire a CF that needs seasoning (time they have to give him since they are going NOWHERE) and an almost ML ready pitching prospect – not exactly an “unknown” – in Delgado.

    Not a bad return (Delgado) for swaping centerfielders, as well as saving some money on Schafer’s contract.

  28. 28
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    26

    I was typing mine while you were posting yours :)

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    DAP Says:

    mark in memphis

    “From now on, you take everything you swing at the other way. I don’t care where the pitch is, if you decide to swing at it, it better be aimed at right or right-center.”

    man, how terrible would it be if uggla actually did this. this is a bad idea. its not how you coach a player to stay on the ball, if thats what youre getting at.

  30. 30
    DAP Says:

    bubdylan, what the braves would take for brian mccann is irrelevant when we are talking about the astros and michael bourn. teams are in different situations, players have very different track records and skill sets.

    delgado and schafer alone could probably do it.

  31. 31
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    My least favorite series was @ Mil.

    We had just won two of three to start the season from the Nationals (who seem to have “had our number” since they were the Expos) and IN their park. In the final game of the series, we scored eleven runs and gave up two.

    Then they enter Mil and win the first game, 2-1. Then procede to get shut out the next game, losing by a run. Then lose the next game by a run. Then lose the next game by two runs. They scored two runs or less in three of the four games.

    So we “limp” home off the first road trip, with w/ losing record after seven games and the Phillies coming to town.

    UGGLA, I mean Ugly….

  32. 32
    DAP Says:

    bubdylan…and i just saw your post at the top of the page as i posted this. im not a big WAR fan myself, though i am surprised that bourn’s is equal to mccann’s.

    the thing to remember about the ‘stros is that they are the worst team in baseball with a horrible system. they are a team that may even take quantity over quality when it comes to players. all bourn is to them is a trading chip, and they will want the best package they can get…even if its not all that good.

    obviously, thats speculation…but i dont think bourn is going to fetch a haul.

  33. 33
    Eric Says:

    Matt Chernoff interviewed Dan Uggla on 680 today. On being booed at Turner:

    “I would boo me right now, too.”

    Also, I was surprised this was only Chipper’s 7th All-Star team. In 1999 when he won the MVP and posted a 1.074 OPS, he was not an All-Star. Matt Williams, Ed Sprague, and Phil Nevin made the team instead.

  34. 34
    DAP Says:

    “Also, I was surprised this was only Chipper’s 7th All-Star team.”

    eric, he only has 1 more all star appearance than mccann. that is surprising, as good of a player as he was/is. but, i think playing left field for several years really hurt him, as far as All-Star consideration. he probably would have made it a couple of times during those years as a 3rd baseman.

  35. 35
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    29

    I have to disagree with you on this one.

    He is trying to pull everything. He is pulling off the ball, starting early, head “going to left” when he swings.

    Go back and look at how many of his homeruns have been on mistakes up and on the inner half of the plate… the balls he can still hit when he is “pulling off” the plate… by my count, all but two. One he hit to center and one he hit to right center, both a long way and both when he was NOT pulling off the plate.

    He rarely seems to pull doubles. When he hits a double, it is in a gap, when he hasn’t pulled off the ball. It is along the same lines of getting Freddie not to dive into the plate so much…

    I agree that it might be a little extreme…

    How about “take everything back up the middle, from gap to gap – don’t go up there looking to ‘pull’ anything”… He looks like he goes up there with a plan to pull EVERYTHING!

  36. 36
    DAP Says:

    Mark @ 35, yeah man, no doubt he is pulling off the ball. just saying that “aiming towards right field” is also a bad approach.

    but i know what you mean is that he need to just stay on the ball, keep his head still, front shoulder in.

    by the way, almost all homeruns hit are on mistake pitches. nothing wrong with that, either.

    i agree with the folks who think he needs to move up on the plate. his bat speed is good, and he is really quick inside. he can move up on the plate, react to that inside pitch and cover the outer half a little bit better, i think.

    but yeah, keeping that front shoulder pointed towards the middle of the field will help him stay on the ball, without trying to aim the thing.

  37. 37
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    There is a difference between “reacting to an inside pitch” and “being a ‘pull hitter’”

    He was so effective against us when he was hitting everything from gap to gap, including homeruns.

    I think he heard too much press in the off-season about him being “the big bopper in the middle of the line-up then Braves had needed for years”… That, combined with the extension, has brainwashed him into thinking he needs to hit more homers and he has to pull the ball for more power.

    Somebody needs to get it into his head, we just want him to perform like he did for Florida and that will be enough. We paid for the .265 average, five years of 25+ homeruns and 85+ RBI per year guy we saw in Florida.

    He doesn’t have to be the teams savior… Just the guy that used to kill us while he played for Florida.

  38. 38
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    36

    I am pretty sure the ” just stay on the ball, keep his head still, front shoulder in” is something that he has been told, he has thought about, he tries to do, etc.

    I don’t think that technique is his problem. As I said in 37, I think it is approach. Until he changes that, he will continue to be a “pull hitter”. When he goes back to being a “gap hitter”, all those other things will fall into line…

    Maybe we could get Freddie to talk with him… ;)

  39. 39
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    My favorite series:

    Four game series vs Mil in Atlanta

    We scored at least six runs in three of four games, held them to six runs TOTAL for the series, shut them out once and swept the four games when they had a record of 10-7 in the games they played since beating us 3 of 4 in Mil.

  40. 40
    Bubdylan Says:

    DAP, I’m less a WAR fan than I was 24 hours ago. I expect over reliance on that stat is a phase most saber-dabblers such as myself go through early on. I shall now proceed to use my new anti-WAR knowledge to make new wild and unfounded claims. Look out, world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk&feature=related

  41. 41
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    The problem with WAR in comparing players is it doesn’t take position into consideration. You can compare “apples to apples” i.e. catcher to catcher with WAR, but not position to position (however, I think there is a stat for that, too)…

  42. 42
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Uggla prediction:

    107 hits and 28 homeruns, if he stays a “pull hitter” (he got 12 inside mistakes in the first half and I figure he will get that in the second plus a little)

    145 hits and 35 homeruns, if he returns to being a “gap hitter”

  43. 43
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    JJ prediction:

    21 wins, due to him being on the DL and not pitching as many starts early will pay dividends toward the end of the season.

  44. 44
    DAP Says:

    “The problem with WAR in comparing players is it doesn’t take position into consideration.”

    my problem with WAR is that the stat is a completely moving target. it is based on a “replacement level” player. this is a person who doesnt exist. its just a profile of an imaginary baseball player, made up by the stats of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in baseball.

    A single player can put up the exact same stat .300/.400/.500 with 30 homers and 100 RBI every year for 5 years, and have a different WAR every year. suggesting somehow, that he was better in some years than he was in others. that would be false. he is exactly the same player.

    anyways, i dont hate WAR, but i dont put alot of stock in it.

  45. 45
    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, though I did blindly compare a catcher to a CF using WAR only, I was shooting for a severe approximation. Any player heading for 6 WAR on the year (if you go for WAR, which of course I don’t, not me!) for affordable money is extremely valuable. Braves didn’t have even one of those last year. Heyward came closest at 5.1

    I would still be surprised if Delgado & Schafer alone brought Bourn to the Braves, but if it would, pull that trigger yesterday.

    But remember your original claim was that he wouldn’t cost a premium prospect. That’s crazy talk. And McLouth truly makes no sense for the Astros. Why would they downgrade at CF for half a season at the cost of long term value in Bourn?

  46. 46
    DAP Says:

    bubdylan “But remember your original claim was that he wouldn’t cost a premium prospect.”

    i dont remember that. i know I didnt say that, and i dont think mark did either…

  47. 47
    Bubdylan Says:

    “He is relatively cheap to own and I think could be had for McLouth and prospect or two) not including Delgado, Terhan, etc.” – Mark in Memphis, first page somewhere.

  48. 48
    Bubdylan Says:

    Gonzalez batting 2nd again. Shaking my head.

  49. 49
    ham Says:

    For those of you scoring at home, Mark in Mem agreed with THREE things I said on the show. A new record!

  50. 50
    Bubdylan Says:

    I’m saving my Hammy Kudos for the rest of Uggla’s potential turn around. If he pulls it off on the heels of Atlanta putting up two and a half great weeks just as you called it, I’m anointing you ABTGOY, ABT Guru of the Year.

  51. 51
    Bubdylan Says:

    (And how funny it would be if the week the Bravos finally became dominant, the ABT’er who called it wasn’t Stevie…)

  52. 52
    Bubdylan Says:

    http://www.detnews.com/article/20110706/SPORTS0104/107060416/1361/Tigers%E2%80%99-Jim-Leyland–Umpires%E2%80%99-hostility-%E2%80%98getting-out-of-hand%E2%80%99

    I would cry with joy if Fredi Gonzalez ever stated anything that clearly and effectively to the press.

    Also, just glad to hear Leyland join the chorus against bad umping. It’s getting to be a real detriment to the game.

  53. 53
    Nate Says:

    Why are we sold on Bourn? I’m not big on giving up Teheran or Delgado for him. Hell those guys took Happ for Oswalt. I think we can get Bourn for much cheaper than what is being mentioned on the last couple of pages. If not, then don’t go it. I don’t care what his WAR is, he’s still Michael Bourn. I don’t think we should let our desperation for outfield production make us spend too much on an average player having a career year. That said, I would give them Minor, but the younger guys seem like a waste on a player like Bourn. I know you guys hate prospects, but these guys could end up being really good. Yeah it’s not a sure thing, but Michael Bourn coming to Atlanta and not doing what McLouth and Uggla did isn’t a sure thing either.

  54. 54
    Nate Says:

    What are the chances we get a look at Pastornicky before the year is up? I’d say we could use his help at 2B or SS…

  55. 55
    Nate Says:

    *then don’t go it, meant to say then don’t do it

  56. 56
    Bubdylan Says:

    Would love to see Pastornicky.

  57. 57
    Bubdylan Says:

    Bourn’s career OPS against left handed pitching is .619, by the way. Youch.

  58. 58
    Nate Says:

    He would be a huge improvement over McLouth or Schafer. He steals a lot of bags, too.

    Bourn
    Prado
    Mac
    Chip
    Freddie
    Heyward
    Uggla
    Gonzo
    P

    That would be a sick lineup. Hell, I’d give up Delgado or Minor, but not both. But what if he just bombs in Atlanta like everyone does?

  59. 59
    Bubdylan Says:

    “But what if he just bombs in Atlanta like everyone does?”

    We kidnap Larry Parish and Don Baylor and surgically swap their brains.

  60. 60
    Nate Says:

    Deal.

  61. 61
    Curt Says:

    Pastornicky hit for the cycle yesterday. Of course, for the longest time, the last Brave to hit for the cycle was the great Albert Hall.

  62. 62
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    “Who wins the NL East” prediction:

    Phillies

    They can’t score (either), but they don’t seem to “waste” good pitching performances

    The Braves have shut teams out 11 times, once against the Phillies.
    The Phillies have shut teams out 12 times, twice against the Braves.

    The Braves have scored three runs or less in a game 38 times with a record of 13-25.

    The Phillies have scored three runs or less in a game 36 times with a record of 18-18.

  63. 63
    Jo-Bu Says:

    #61: I believe Mark Kotsay did it 2008.

  64. 64
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    45, 47

    I will stand by what I said (and expand it), I think Bourn could be had w/o giving up a premium prospect.

    Houston has a lousy farm system that needs prospects. The further down you go, the more guys you can get back. They don’t see Bourn as someone that will have teams knocking down their door to get. They Braves might be the only ones asking.

    You are the GM of Houston:
    You have the choice of keeping Bourn vs getting someone that will play a decent CF and hit a little to finish the season (no promised money down the line – ATL might have to kick in the $1M to cover the buyout for 2012) along with a couple of mid-level prospects w/ “upside” (you don’t want them too close to the majors if it is going to take you a few years to assemble the rest of a team around them…you get someone who is ready now, you waste a couple of years building before you are ready to contend…)

    Do you do that deal?

  65. 65
    Curt Says:

    Jo-Bu, correct. Note that I said “for the longest time” trying to infer that hitting for the cycle means nothing. Mark Kotsay might serve to further emphasize that.

    No one is taking McLouth. No one. Not Houston. Not Gwinnett. Not anyone. Unless Kansas City serves up something and we pay his contract for the rest of the season. If Houston can get Schafer in the deal too, why would they ever consider McLouth. A non-starter to me. Schafer is cheap, can play great defense, can steal bases, and could be a decent player. I can’t imagine they would not want him in any deal for Bourn.

    Apologies about saying Bourn couldn’t lead off. I had Bourn on the lips but Pence on the mind. That could be my favorite country song.

  66. 66
    Leah Says:

    Wowzers. I can’t keep up with the board! Great show. I’m not ready to give up on Uggla…I know, I know. I’m a sucker. I can NOT believe Curt said he’d take BC back in place of Fredi G. I don’t think I understand enough about baseball to see all his mistakes but I like how he shakes up the lineup. I too would like to see more passion from him but come on, he’s replacing a legend! It’s gotta mess with your head. Just sayin.

  67. 67
    Steve Says:

    I think the Astros take Schafer and Minor and some marginal pitcher for Bourne. And I’d do it in a second.

    Hammy, if I’m on the hook if anything happens to Chipper given my surgery stance, do I get any credit for his home run tonight?

  68. 68
    Nate Says:

    They should find a bigger undershirt for Rex Brothers.

  69. 69
    Leah Says:

    Nate, that made me laugh. He likes to show off his guns.

  70. 70
    Leah Says:

    I’m shocked when Freeman doesn’t get an out no matter how difficult the play.

  71. 71
    Leah Says:

    Goooo Marlins!

  72. 72
    ham Says:

    Sorry, Steve. I already gave Curt credit for it.

  73. 73
    Nate Says:

    Dan, Please keep it going, PLEASE!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Wow, Dan!

    Mark in Memphis, I don’t have anything else to add, but didn’t want to leave you hanging. I would certainly love to have Bourn in CF. Saw a mlbtr chat today where the head chatter in charge predicted he would end up in ATL.

    Just got back from the lake to find my Bravos kicking Rocky ass!!! Love it!!! 3 hits for Schafer?? Is this real life?

  75. 75
    Leah Says:

    I BELIEVE!!! I tried to post that a moment ago after his name is Dan Uggla homered and got a message that I was posting too fast…slow down. I guess I was super excited.

  76. 76
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Were Uggla and Schafer reading the board today?

    Michael who?

  77. 77
    Nate Says:

    This is pretty much the only time Proctor should be used. Ever.

  78. 78
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Fredi wants to give Kimbrel the night off… why isn’t Venters pitching? :)

  79. 79
    Bubdylan Says:

    Proctor’s in. I feel very confident in a 9-6 victory.

  80. 80
    Nate Says:

    What are the pitching matchups for this weekend?

  81. 81
    Curt Says:

    How dare Venters not even be warming up

  82. 82
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    77

    Nate, I disagree. I think he should also be used when we are so far down in a game it doesn’t matter. :)

    If he stays between the knees and belt, he can be effective… problem is, he get above the waist too easily and walks WAY too many people for a reliever…

  83. 83
    Bubdylan Says:

    Fantastic victory. Wish I’d seen more of it. I’m officially amazed at these Atlanta Braves.

  84. 84
    ham Says:

    What a dominant performance. Amazing game. So excited about our team right now. From Fredi to Wilken and everyone in between. Woohoo!

  85. 85
    Bubdylan Says:

    Five games up on Arizona & the WC field. Sure be nice if the Fish would oblige and put us 3 GB of the Lady Horses. If you don’t gain on Kendrick day, it’s hard to gain.

  86. 86
    Leah Says:

    Go Braves! Bobby gave Fredi one piece of advice…listen to Atlanta Baseball Talk. Those chaps know what their talking about.

  87. 87
    Steve Says:

    Leah, please slow down.

  88. 88
    Bubdylan Says:

    Stanton walk off homer over the Phils. 3 back, baby.

  89. 89
    Steve Says:

    #79 – Hilarious.

    Damn, these Braves are an absolute pleasure to watch right now. It’s really heavenly. And it’s really been in high gear of fabulousness since the SEA series.

  90. 90
    Steve Says:

    And the Phillies LOSE. 3 games.

  91. 91
    Leah Says:

    I know…watch me crash the system while using only my thumbs.

  92. 92
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Now THESE are the Braves everyone outside (and inside) of the ATL has been talking about!! I’m not getting too drunk on this recent high but it’s really not out of the realm of possibility that the THESE Braves could take 2 of 3 or even sweep the Phillies this weekend. Our bullpen is better but if I think back to games this season, we’ve not capitalized on their ‘pen like we thought we should have.

  93. 93
    Steve Says:

    #80: Nate the pitching matchups are:

    Beachy/Halladay Hanson/Lee, Lowe/Hamels (although espn.com lists Worley in the Sunday game).

  94. 94
    Pure Says:

    I’m sticking to my prediction — first place by the All-Star break.

  95. 95
    Will Says:

    Who else likes Ron Gant as an announcer? His voice channels Barry White and he explains situations without being too obvious.

    Sports center just showed Jurgens has a pre all star record and era only behind the best of Maddux, Clemens, and Randy Johnson. Pretty sick.

  96. 96
    Nate Says:

    I wish we had a JJ/Halladay and Hudson/Hamels.

  97. 97
    Nate Says:

    Do you think we could trade for Infante?

  98. 98
    Bubdylan Says:

    B:)R:)A:)V:)E:)S

  99. 99
    Bubdylan Says:

    That didn’t work. :(

  100. 100
    Bubdylan Says:

    B :)
    R :)
    A :)
    V :)
    E :)
    S :)

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    Curt Says:

    Nate, I would love to get Infante back on this team.

    Leah, to answer your bewilderment about me supporting the return of Bobby, we really didn’t frame it with any context on the show. Originally, we had compared it to Jack McKeon returning to manage the Marlins after their manager quit. Would I want them to re-hire Bobby? No. Would I want him to come in, should Fredi be fired, and handle the remainder of the season? I wouldn’t mind it. There would certainly be some excitement from the players that would only help the team, in my opinion.

  102. 102
    Bubdylan Says:

    It can not be healthy to be as happy as I am right now because of the Atlanta Braves. Went to bed thinking about Uggla’s homer. Woke up and the first thing that flashed through my head … Uggla’s homer.

    I really do love home runs. I didn’t always. I was all about some small ball (hush, Leah), and said many a condescending word about homer-lovers. But I’m over that. Hit the little white ball out of the park. Way out, like Dan Uggla does it, is even better.

    Same for strike outs, which as a Maddux fan I used to be pretty indifferent to*. But Javier Vazquez woke me up to how sexy K’s are. Now with Kimbrel I’m in Heaven again.

    *Have no idea why Smoltz’s K’s didn’t excite me that much.

  103. 103
    Nate Says:

    I want to Uggla smash the Sillies this weekend, but first I want the 4 game sweep.

  104. 104
    Bubdylan Says:

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PaJay06/Braves%20Photoshops/ugglasmash.jpg

  105. 105
    Nate Says:

    It’s really fun to go on ESPN’s stats page and try to find a picture of a Philly on top of the ERA and Wins leader board…

    Congrats on your 1st walk-off Mike Stanton. I’m happy it wasn’t us and even happier it was the Phils.

  106. 106
    Nate Says:

    #104, awesome.

  107. 107
    Leah Says:

    #101 When you guys complain about his decisions, I get it. You make good points that make sense. I just remember last year during the 9 game losing streak or after tough losses, even I could see the mistakes Bobby made. I could list off how I would have done things differently. We’re winning like crazy! So if we lose a lot it’s the manager’s fault. If we win the manager gets no credit? I’m not trying to be sarcastic (shocking I know).

    #102 “I was all about some small ball (hush, Leah)” stealing all my fun. :)

  108. 108
    Steve Says:

    #94 – Pure, I’ll say this. I believe it way more today than I did a few days ago. And it really set itself up numbers wise.

  109. 109
    Steve Says:

    #107: It’s a valid point. And one could certainly say, “they’re winning, how can you complain about anything?”

    That said, there are just some bad baseball decisions being made (Gonzalez in the 2 hole for the 5th straight game) that the team is winning despite of and some other bad decisions (overuse of Venters) that may hurt the team long term.

  110. 110
    Steve Says:

    Interesting read about the upcoming series in the Philadelphia Inquirer:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110707_Paul_Hagen__Braves_look_to_join_Phillies_in_fast_lane.html

  111. 111
    Leah Says:

    #109 I’m not saying you shouldn’t complain about anything, I’m just saying for one I don’t want Bobby back. His rose colored glasses filtered perspective was too much for me. I shouldn’t even try to have an opinion since the only info I read is from this very board. I don’t have time to venture far and wide like I used to so I usually just hop on the general consensus or at least agree with Bub but…I want to give Fredi G. some time. Wanting Bobby back in the case of overusing Venters doesn’t play…lest we forget.

  112. 112
    Nate Says:

    Amazing.

  113. 113
    Walker Says:

    After years of torture with the braves going through 1st basemen like governor Chris Christie goes through donuts. I am proud to say we finally our 1st basemen for the next 15 years. I’m excited.

  114. 114
    Adam Says:

    Freddie Freeman is too good to not have a nickname. How about Freddie “I’m really good at baseball” Freeman. That seems to do him justice.

  115. 115
    Eric Says:

    Frank Wren should set Jason Heyward up with Mark Sanchez for sliding lessons.

  116. 116
    Walker Says:

    Maybe Sanchez should learn how to hit homers like Heyward.

  117. 117
    Leah Says:

    A lot is going right these days. I’m so stoked about the weekend although I really wish the Phillies had to play today also. I say foul on their day off.

  118. 118
    Leah Says:

    Freeman cannot not get a hit!

  119. 119
    Bubdylan Says:

    One of the best things about Freeman’s power surge is that it’s STILL coming off this compact swing of his. Amazing. He’ll always be in position, with that swing, to do something with whatever pitch is offered. Starting to wonder if his ceiling isn’t way higher than – dangit, I forgot his name; you all interviewed him a couple times – than he figured.

  120. 120
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Looks like Heyward has a chance at the cycle.

  121. 121
    Leah Says:

    I’m not watching but I’m listening and it sounds like Fredi is showing some passion we’ve been missing. Is Jim Powell over exaggerating?

  122. 122
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Is O’Flar not getting the calls or does he just not have it today? It happens. Get ‘em next time big boy!

  123. 123
    Bubdylan Says:

    Man, do I want insurance runs? Or do I want Kimbrel to rap up the rookie pre-ASB saves record? Tough choices. So hard to be a Braves fan right now.

  124. 124
    Leah Says:

    #123 made me laugh. Bless your heart.

  125. 125
    Bubdylan Says:

    http://www.flockaball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jonathan_papelbon.jpg

    Eat it, Jonathan.

    Congratulations Craig Kimbrel!!!!!

    SWEEEEEEP!!!!

  126. 126
    ham Says:

    SWEEEEEET SWEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Cow. We are the best team in baseball. To quote my co-host, Steve: “Winning baseball sure is great.”

  127. 127
    Bubdylan Says:

    Gotta have one downer moment and then I’m back to ecstasy. What a crying shame it is that the crowd was so small and unresponsive to Kimbrel’s big save. It really makes me sad sometimes, this attendance business. Tempted to say the city doesn’t deserve this team.

    Okay, back to your regularly scheduled happiness freak out.

  128. 128
    Bubdylan Says:

    Ham, if we take 2 of 3 in Philly, we’re the best team in baseball, but I don’t think so before then. We’re cleaning up against some pretty mediocre clubs. Not that I don’t love it, and not that it isn’t plenty refreshing to not just beat, but dominate, the clubs you should succeed against.

  129. 129
    Leah Says:

    I’m calling it…we do take 2 of 3 from the Phillies and I cannot wait to watch!

  130. 130
    ham Says:

    Leah, I am with you. I called it and am re-calling it. 2 of 3.

    As advanced retribution, I am currently stuck in the Philly airport for the next 6 hours – just because they are advanced sore losers. If I didn’t have a job, a wife, some kids, and a finite income, I would stay through the weekend and rub it in their soon to be second place faces.

    I am drunk on optimism.

  131. 131
    Bubdylan Says:

    Leah, the Braves are hot enough (and good enough) to pull it off. The pressure is off in a way with it being a road trip against their three aces, using less than our best starters. Lining up their rotation like that could really backfire on Philly by putting weird pressure on their hitters.

    But all that said, I’d slightly favor the Phillies to win the series. Those starters are just outrageous and their team is rested.

    Francoeur to the Phillies is a rumor I don’t like at all.

  132. 132
    Pure Says:

    I ain’t settling for 2 of 3 in Philly. I’m all-in baby. We’re going to crush them and be in first place. Go Braves!

  133. 133
    Anonymous Says:

    Bub, is that because you’re a chicken? Pure…I LOVE THAT! I have yet to drink THAT kool-aid.

  134. 134
    Leah Says:

    Guess who?

  135. 135
    Leah Says:

    Soooooo…what do I do now? No baseball. Remember last year when I changed my name and the Braves rallied so Hammy wouldn’t let me change it back?

  136. 136
    Curt Says:

    Bub – Kevin Goldstein. Was just talking about his takes on Freeman and Hanson today

  137. 137
    Anne Says:

    Leah – would you be jealous if I said I was going to see Martin @ the Gwinnett Braves this weekend??

  138. 138
    Leah Says:

    Anne…can’t even express my envy. They were just in Durham too…Meadow…

  139. 139
    Steve Says:

    Good-ness these last two weeks! Runs upon runs upon runs. It’s like an embarrassment of riches after the first 60 games we endured.

    I’m equally drunk on optimism (Ham, your airport post really cracked me up) and feel 2 out of 3 coming as well. CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS SERIES.

    Anne – have an awesome time watching Prado. Send updates if you can.

  140. 140
    Bubdylan Says:

    I’ll be away for a bit on a personal matter. Everybody be good. Go Braves!!

  141. 141
    Leah Says:

    Just awful.

    “Thoughts and prayers go out to the son and other family members of Shannon Stone, the man who died after falling at the Rangers’ game.”

  142. 142
    Leah Says:

    That was a Buster Olney tweet. Can Josh Hamilton have something more tragic occur?

  143. 143
    Leah Says:

    http://bit.ly/nxGE9C

  144. 144
    Steve Says:

    Wow. Just an awful story. Made all the more awful by Josh Hamilton’s involvement.

  145. 145
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Funny, yet sad, line from a podcast (not this one) I was listening to (shows we aren’t the only ones that think so):

    “Craig Kimbrel is having a good year, he won’t be able to comb his hair in September, but he is having a good year”

    (also in this podcast, also from the same know-for-his-snide-remarks-guy “The Braves have a great bullpen that Fredi Gonzalez is blowing out as fast as he can…”

  146. 146
    Leah Says:

    Hope we see some baseball tonight. Heavy hearted day. Could use a W I N!

  147. 147
    Steve Says:

    What a freaking drag that the game is delayed. Unbelievable.

  148. 148
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Great show guys…finally got to listen to it on the way to the VA hospital this morning….

    Ready to cringe? Do you think that Francoeur would ever come back or may be a possible bat before the trade deadline? He is looking pretty good over in KC. :)

    Think Kemp is possible?

  149. 149
    Leah Says:

    8:35. We have to strike early in case the rain doesn’t hold off. Come on Braves…ya hear me? I predict Gonzalez hits a homer just to make Stevie quit griping.

  150. 150
    Leah Says:

    Shut it down Beachy. Do not let the merry go round start.

  151. 151
    Leah Says:

    Freddie is a freakin fanatic! Get it?

  152. 152
    Curt Says:

    Is Joe Simpson the only guy with a scouting report on Ruiz? That guy? Again? Can’t stand getting beat with the dregs of their lineup.

  153. 153
    Wiley Says:

    oh boy here we go. C’mon Brandon dig deep.

  154. 154
    Nate Says:

    I hate the Phillies so much. Just thought I’d throw that out there.

  155. 155
    Leah Says:

    Me too.

  156. 156
    Nate Says:

    Great job by Beachy holding his own out there. I just turned it on, but I’m assuming he did pretty well leaving with a tie against Halladay.

  157. 157
    ham Says:

    What a game! C’mon top of the order!

  158. 158
    Leah Says:

    Nervous.

  159. 159
    Nate Says:

    Gonzo wanted no part of Howard on that one.

  160. 160
    Nate Says:

    Venters, All-Star.

  161. 161
    ham Says:

    whew. Shaky inning. Let’s get a run!

  162. 162
    ham Says:

    grrrrr. Bastardo has no o.

    This is tense.

  163. 163
    Leah Says:

    Bastardo is nasty. I gotta bad feeling. We’ve been depending on the homer lately and nothing is carrying tonight.

  164. 164
    Curt Says:

    i don’t like this at all

  165. 165
    Nate Says:

    Brian McCann, All Star.

  166. 166
    Nate Says:

    I don’t wanna see Utley vs. Linebrink

  167. 167
    Nate Says:

    Luckily neither does Fredi.

  168. 168
    Leah Says:

    Have our batters forgotten that you don’t have to swing at every pitch?

  169. 169
    Nate Says:

    Seriously, take a pitch.

  170. 170
    ham Says:

    oh dear . . .

  171. 171
    Nate Says:

    Oh no

  172. 172
    Nate Says:

    Andruw Schafer?

  173. 173
    ham Says:

    sigh – seemed inevitable.

  174. 174
    Leah Says:

    We’ll get ‘em tomorrow.

  175. 175
    Nate Says:

    Sure did. Have we seen enough yet, Braves? Prince Fielder should be recruiting Scott Proctor for the Home Run Derby.

  176. 176
    Leah Says:

    Why does the board keep telling me to slow down? I’m starting to take it personally.

  177. 177
    Curt Says:

    Hey look Proctor lost us another game

  178. 178
    Wiley Says:

    Well despite his best efforts he actually recorded an out before blowing it. Who’s at fault tonight the Proctor or the O? I mean it was fricking Ibanez

  179. 179
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I told the wife between innings that if Proctor took the hill, somebody’s going yard. sure enough.

    We’ll get ‘em tomorrow but I’m really tired of the Fredi G. era — the same guy that bats AGon 2nd in the order who’s never seen a bad pitch he doesn’t like to swing at.

  180. 180
    Steve Says:

    That’s a tough one to swallow. You simply cannot pitch Proctor in that kind of situation. Or any MLB situation, for that matter. DFA NOW!

  181. 181
    Curt Says:

    Ibanez, who’s batting .239 and having a terrible season.

  182. 182
    Walker Says:

    I’m so upset right now. I have to vent.

    1. Why is there so much talk that this series doesn’t mean much and that is not a series we have to win. This is not a must must win but I want to hear language like ” we know how important this series is”. These games count just as much as the ones in September. I don’t like defeatist attitudes.

    2. Fredi’ managing of the bullpen an extra inning away games is horrible and doesn’t make sense. To me Priority is to stop the home team from scoring. So to do that you should bring in your best relievers first. Kimbrel should have been pitching in the 9th or 10th. Especially he should have been in when the batting lineup gets past the pitchers spot.

    3. Its time to release Scott Proctor. I saw that Ibanez HR before it happened. If you go back and look at the tape Proctor’s delivery and attitude was very “I dont give a _____” I’ve never seen seen such a cookie of a pitch on that 2-0 count. That was a weak 88 mph fastball. RELEASE HIM!!!

    4. This team is in first place without Fredi Gonzalez. I literally had no idea how unintelligent he was when it came to baseball strategy. I was bamboozled and hoodwinked. Jeffrey Loria had it right.

  183. 183
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I guess Fredi is telling the media right now that: ‘You just gotta tip your hat — that was a helluva swing by Ibanez right there. Proctor pitched good and made a good pitch [no he didn't Jordan Schafer saved his @$$ on that first fly ball, idiot]. That’s the way baseball goes sometimes.’

  184. 184
    Bobby Cox Says:

    It’s so stupid to be losing a game, letting your worst bullpen pitcher pitch, while your closer remains unused.

  185. 185
    Bobby Cox Says:

    Alex Gonzalez batting 2nd? Really?

  186. 186
    Jo-Bu Says:

    #185: Well, more acurrately, he’s having at-bats in the second hole :)

  187. 187
    Bobby Cox Says:

    Pam, where are my cleats? I can’t find them.

  188. 188
    Pure Says:

    Tough loss. Had to let a few hours go by and let my blood pressure go down before I could post. You guys have said it all.

    Since we’re at the halfway point, I thought it would be a good time to review the 2011 Predictions in Show #140:

    2011 Predictions (Show #140)|Steve|Ham|Curt|Scott
    Braves wins: 91|over|over|over|over
    Chipper HR: 18|under (14)|under|over (20)|under
    Nate’s BA: .265|over (0.266)|over (0.272)|under (0.257)|under (.250)
    Freeman HR: 13|under|under (10)|over (15)|under
    More saves: Venters or Kimbrel|Venters|Kimbrel|Kimbrel|Kimbrel
    Staff leader in wins|Hudson (17)|Hanson (17)|Hudson (17)|Hudson (17)
    NL East|Philllies|Braves|Philllies|Braves
    NL Central|Brewers|Brewers|Brewers|Reds
    NL West|Rockies|Giants|Giants|Rockies
    Wild Card|Braves|Philllies|Braves|Philllies
    AL East|Boston|Boston|Boston|Boston
    AL Central|White Sox|Twins|White Sox|Tigers
    AL West|Oakland|Texas|Rangers|Oakland
    Wild Card|Texas|White Sox|Yankees|Texas
    World Series|Boston (W)-Colorado|Braves-Boston (W)|Braves-Boston (W)|Braves (W)-Tigers

  189. 189
    Danny Says:

    Sure, we missed some opportunities last night, but our #5 starter just matched up with the Phil’s #1! I still feel pretty good.

  190. 190
    Anonymous Says:

    Kevin Gregg is crazy. I’ve never seen Big Papilloma r un so fast. Dude can hustle when provoked.

  191. 191
    Leah Says:

    Me.

  192. 192
    QC Bravo Says:

    Guys, look at the bright side – Kimbrel was available for the 11th! Great move to bring in a terrible pitcher when one run means a loss, but save a good pitcher for when one run means a tie! It is always better to manage to arbitrary silly statistics, than actual game situations.

  193. 193
    john j Says:

    One more time: if Proctor isn’t released, then he should only be used in games where Braves are 5 or more runs ahead or behind. Fredi G is from the wizard of OZ; someone, please find him a brain.

  194. 194
    Curt Says:

    So why wouldn’t Chipper just wait until this series was over to get the surgery? 2 more days? But huge games in the balance. Curious. It muse really be bothering him.

  195. 195
    Frigatedoc Says:

    I agree Curt…

    Now that Chipper is on the DL I don’t want him on it.

    I agreed with you guys about him getting it over with. (Well 2 out of 3 of you!) Being in the medical field, i just don’t see him coming back soon after surgery.

  196. 196
    Nate Says:

    I just heard about Chip to the DL. I wanted him to have the surgery, but our lineup just got a lot worse. Hopefully Martin can come back in full stride after the break.

    Do we know what the timeline is on his return? On ESPN, when they weretalking about A-Rod of course, they mentioned it takes about a month for a torn meniscus.

  197. 197
    Nate Says:

    I don’t even want to see what the lineup looks like for this afternoon.

  198. 198
    Steve Says:

    #195 – Frigatedoc, bite your tongue!

    Curt, your tweet about it being worse this morning than last night is so true. So painful and true.

    I just don’t get the trust they have in Proctor. I mean, just looking at his freaking numbers this year. It is maddening.

  199. 199
    Steve Says:

    #197 – Great point. I would think they’ll start Conrad at 3rd. But, now that I said that, it will probably be Lugo to ensure no production from that spot in the order. Wow, one bad loss has made me really pessimistic.

  200. 200
    Steve Says:

    Curt – Good point about Chipper. It must be really terrible as he’s had a good week in the field and at the plate.

  201. 201
    Leah Says:

    You guys crack me up. You wanted Chipper to go ahead with the surgery, now you don’t, this team can’t lose, we lose a tough fought battle against Cy Young winner, woe is me. I’m not complaining…just laughing. It’s over used no doubt but “you win some and you absolutely lose some.”. I’m not trying to undermine the importance of last nights game or the pain the loss continues to bring this morning. Im just saying it’s baseball. I think we can beat Hamels and Lee without Chipper. Of course I’m usually wrong so…sorry.

  202. 202
    Curt Says:

    DOB noted that it really hurts him to bat right handed and with Lee and Hamels going the next 2 days, he might not have been able to play anyway. Makes a lot of sense when you think in those terms. Do we not think Hicks gets into one of these games? An equally as large a hole as Lugo.

    Leah, I am all for the surgery. It just seemed like curious timing given we have these 2 huge games before the break. But reading DOB, it clarified a lot. He’s in a lot of pain. We’ve said it a lot, but the guy is a gamer. He’s fought through it for the team while Prado was out.

    As far as win some, lose some – sure. It just seemed like you had an opportunity to steal one last night when Halladay was not at his best. And he was facing our #5 to boot. Victorino is on the DL right before the game. Lots of things falling into place. But you don’t take advantage of some chances – 3 guys on 3rd, 1 scores on an infield hit – and you end up where Proctor has to come in. I think everyone out there knew we were losing when he came in. So it’s the disappointment of it all. Let’s just see if we can somehow pull out 2 wins without Chipper.

  203. 203
    Pure Says:

    #199 – “Wow, one bad loss has made me really pessimistic.”
    Nothing new there, Steve. We all know that’s how you roll. :)

    Jeter got his 300th hit, finally. It was like watching grass grow.

  204. 204
    Nate Says:

    Gonzo batting 2nd, Lugo 7th.

  205. 205
    Jo-Bu Says:

    The reason all of this negative reaction to this one loss is becaue it hurts too much to lose a game by poor management. It’s been said before by others and now I’m buying in to the notion that the Braves are where they are in the standings despite Fredi Gonzales.

    I mean, if Fredi’s rationale to bat A-Gon in the two-hole is so that he’ll see better pitches, he’s completley lost becuse Alex is swinging at pitches that are way out of the zone and taking pitches down the heart of the plate. You don’t reward poor OBP with a marquee spot in the order like the 2-hole. But make no mistake about my opinon of Alex’s defensive contrinution to this team. He’s saved us at least 10 runs and probably as many or more errors with his glove.

  206. 206
    Leah Says:

    Well that was quick. Come on Tommy! Show ‘em whatcha got!

  207. 207
    Curt Says:

    I will say that their lineup is as bad or worse than ours. Might be a war of attrition like last night.

    On the Jetwr front, good for him. I always have likes the way he carries himself. But is there a more offensive announcer than John Sterling? He is so awful.

  208. 208
    Leah Says:

    Curt, r u posting frm ur iPhone?

  209. 209
    Leah Says:

    Lee looks sharp. Better than last two times we faced him.

  210. 210
    Nate Says:

    This lineup reminds me of a quote from the show, probably Curt or Ham, where one of you said our lineup has like 5 8-hole hitters in it. As I finished that Lee hit the homer. Good grief.

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    Leah Says:

    That’s a new level of sucktitude.

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    Pure Says:

    Oh my god.

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    Nate Says:

    Cliff Lee would bat 6th in our lineup.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    I really don’t like flyball pitchers. Tommy has been living high in the zone all day long, it was just a matter of time.

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    Nate Says:

    #210, I think it was from the trade possibilities show.

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    Nate Says:

    There’s the Uggla smash. Let’s get some mo’.

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    Leah Says:

    Woohoo!

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Just in case nobody knew Lee has a .225 batting average to Uggla’s .185
    GREAT that Uggla tied it up though!

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    Curt Says:

    Yes, that was from the old phone, Leah.

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    Leah Says:

    I knew it. You’re such a stellar speller usually.

  221. 221
    Curt Says:

    Can we go back in time and have that pitch sequence to Cliff Lee the 1st time?

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    Curt Says:

    Thanks. It’s me stupid thumbs and the absurd spell correcter on that phone.

  223. 223
    Curt Says:

    Olde English?

  224. 224
    ham Says:

    not a great walk. How does Karros think that we are in a better situation pitching to Howard instead of Utley?

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    Curt Says:

    How does Karros have a job?

  226. 226
    Curt Says:

    I feel a Heyward bomb coming

  227. 227
    Curt Says:

    I do not feel a Lugo bomb coming

  228. 228
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    FINALLY Uggla has changed his approach at the plate from “pull everything” to “gap to gap” (like he was in Florida).

  229. 229
    Leah Says:

    Nervous…

  230. 230
    Leah Says:

    Ok…no more messin arround. I want some runs. Come on crooked number!

  231. 231
    Anonymous Says:

    You guys heard that? Jones was playing with a cracked knee???

  232. 232
    ham Says:

    thank goodness – here’s Gonzalez

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Reports are that Chipper had a cracked knee cap too. Recovery time is still 3 weeks. Wow…. He must have a high pain tolerance.

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    Anonymous Says:

    Gonzo’s bat has a better chance of getting out of the infield.

  235. 235
    Leah Says:

    Haha…shockingly we didn’t score there.

  236. 236
    Curt Says:

    Anyone else not see that coming?

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    ham Says:

    #231 – What?! Who are you and what are you saying?

  238. 238
    ham Says:

    I think that Gonzalez was the only one who saw that coming – Fredi and Alex.

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    Pure Says:

    #231 and #234 was me.
    They said that Chipper’s meniscus “was a mess”. And that they were surprised how he could have played through it. Tough guy.

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    ham Says:

    no doubt.

    Let’s try and take at least one pitch this inning.

  241. 241
    Curt Says:

    Freeman time

  242. 242
    Leah Says:

    Bastardo ruined Freddie.

  243. 243
    ham Says:

    Uggla time.

  244. 244
    Curt Says:

    Uggla time

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    Pure Says:

    Uggla, here’s your chance. Make me a believer.

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    Curt Says:

    I hope that was Proctor getting loose

  247. 247
    Pure Says:

    My God. How is that a strike???

  248. 248
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Umps gotta plane to catch!

  249. 249
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Oh wait! He lost count, there is one more game in the series…

  250. 250
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Wow, our leftys out of the pen seemingly have NO fear of Howard…

  251. 251
    Leah Says:

    Good job EOF. 3 up 3 down and you didn’t gag yourself wetting your fingers. Both amazing feats.

  252. 252
    Curt Says:

    Does Lugo have a hit as a Brave? I missed his stats and am quite serious. Maybe 1?

  253. 253
    Leah Says:

    I got that bad feeling again.

  254. 254
    Pure Says:

    Lugo – 2 hits as a Brave

  255. 255
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Thank God we have the advantage when it comes to the bullpen…

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    Curt Says:

    Thanks. Ruiz due up

  257. 257
    Leah Says:

    Lugo just tagged out the Phillies 3rd base coach…he may need more time in AAA.

  258. 258
    Leah Says:

    Is it just me or does it feel like last season we swept the Rockies?

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    Pure Says:

    OK, breathe.

  260. 260
    Anne Says:

    Recovering from gum surgery-did not make it to Gwinnett.
    C’mon, Bravos!

  261. 261
    Leah Says:

    I think I’ve aged 5 years in the last 2 innings.

  262. 262
    Leah Says:

    Sad Anne.

  263. 263
    Pure Says:

    Gonzo, prove us wrong. Please.

  264. 264
    Anne Says:

    After the game, Fredi will probably say something about the eventual power of a bunt.

  265. 265
    Leah Says:

    MAC IS A STUD!!!

  266. 266
    Pure Says:

    Woohoo!!! Ok Phillies, time to go to the pharking lot.

  267. 267
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I repeat (this time without the sarcastic tone to my typing):

    Thank God we have the advantage when it comes to the bullpen…

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    I actually expected that HR by McCann. It’s just like Joe Simpson always says: THe more pitches that Brian sees, the better McCann’s advantage. Now Kimbrel needs to pitch a clean inning.

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    Leah Says:

    Come on kid. Show ‘em you’re an all star!

  270. 270
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Is that a yoga pose?

  271. 271
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Tie him up inside!

  272. 272
    Leah Says:

    Good job Vent0′Flarel! My heart feels better. Did y’all hear Hamilton hit a fan with a foul ball today?

  273. 273
    Kate Says:

    I like winning.

  274. 274
    Curt Says:

    That seems to be the best way to use Proctor

  275. 275
    Steve Says:

    “Cliff Lee would bat 6th in our lineup.” – Awesome.

    From Sherrill getting out of that terrible jam to Gonzo’s RBI to Mac’s insurance HR – WOW. Great, great game.

    I cannot believe Chipper had a cracked knee cap, too. Can the vocal minority stop complaining about anything that Chipper does now?

  276. 276
    Nate Says:

    Kimbrel and Hanson should replace Lincecum and Cain on the All Star team.

  277. 277
    Steve Says:

    #251 – Nice, Leah. Both my wife and oldest son cannot believe the “how can he not retch every time he does that?” maneuver. They loved your post.

  278. 278
    Steve Says:

    Where did people hear about the cracked knee cap? I can’t find it.

    BTW, here’s the official press release about it from the Bravos:

    Chipper Jones Undergoes Right Knee Surgery

    Atlanta Braves third baseman Chipper Jones underwent successful arthroscopic surgery today to repair a torn meniscus in his right knee. The procedure was performed by Dr. Marvin Royster in Atlanta, Ga.

    Jones is expected to return to the playing field in approximately two to three weeks.

  279. 279
    Leah Says:

    Steve, there was a tweet by someone, can’t remember who, but they recanted it. I think it was just the tear, no break.

  280. 280
    Leah Says:

    Clarification to what I said about Chipper on air: He did not have a crack in his kneecap, just the meniscus tear. #Braves #MLB

    Ken Rosenthal

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    Adam Says:

    I was worried about Chipper for a minute there. Can’t wait for the game tomorrow. This series is ours.

  282. 282
    Steve Says:

    Yikes. Regarding Chipper, I feel a huge sense of relief over something that never really happened.

    Adam, I’m with you. I know they say there’s no momentum in baseball and yet I feel like we’ve got a bunch of momentum right now.

  283. 283
    Leah Says:

    My favorite is how quiet the crowd gets when they start to feel the heartbreak. Hee Hee!

  284. 284
    Frigatedoc Says:

    #280

    Thanks for posting that. I just repeated what he said while watching the game on Fox.

    Another subject….Congrats to Jeter for 3,000th hit today. Pretty neat it was a HR. Question for all…. if you had caught the ball, would you had done what the fan did? Rumor is the ball would have gotten him 250,000 cash.

  285. 285
    Leah Says:

    The Rev and I just had that discussion. I’d like to say that I would but I don’t know…classy move for sure. The Rev said he’d throw it back. I believe him. He’s classier than I in most instances.

  286. 286
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Maybe the guys can discuss it on the show tomorrow….. (even if it is not Braves related) :)

  287. 287
    Walker Says:

    Yeah congrats to Derek Jeter. I was reading an article about him and it makes one really interesting point. Derek Jeter is probably the most watched baseball player or athlete in history. And the writer is probably right. He’s played for the most popular sports franchise in history. He plays every night in front of huge crowds. He’s played in the playoffs every year in front of national audiences. He’s played in an era with MLB satellite tv packages and mlb.tv. He also was hilarious on the Other Guys. “Biracial Jesus” LOL.Everyone knows who Derek Jeter is, even people who don’t watch baseball at all. Interesting.

  288. 288
    Frigatedoc Says:

    #276 @ Nate.

    I agree…. I heard Jim Rome say on the radio that “the 3 pitchers from the Giants who were not picked for the All-Star game were going to be pissed.”

  289. 289
    Curt Says:

    Doc, you beat us to the punch. That question is in the lineup for tonight’s show.

  290. 290
    Pure Says:

    If I had caught Jeter’s HR, I would have yelled “mine, Mine, MINE!!!!” And then I can finally get over ’96 and ’99.

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    Walker Says:

    I know the fan was trying to be nice but cmon. Derek Jeter has made over 200 million dollars in his career. Yet this guy who said he works at a cell phone store probably making 35,000 dollars a year won’t even hold out for half a million dollars which Jeter or someone else would have for sure paid him. Very stupid.

  292. 292
    Leah Says:

    What? There’s a new show tonight? Awesome surprise!

  293. 293
    Nate Says:

    Same lineup as yesterday, swap Hanson for Lowe. I am kind of surprised to see Conrad not get a start in Chipper’s absence. I guess Fredi is all about some Lugo.

  294. 294
    john j Says:

    Comment on Saturday’s TV: Best thing for fans would be for the network to turn up the fan noise at the park so we can turn down the commentators. They never shut up with their worthless comments!! Better yet, fire them and save some money. Do they really believe that the more the announcers talk, the more people watch?

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    Anonymous Says:

    Re #291 – I saw a quote from the guy that caught it saying something like, “I’m young, I have plenty of time to make money.”

  296. 296
    Frigatedoc Says:

    And so it begins…….

  297. 297
    Leah Says:

    Was it the goal of TBS to find the most annoying noise to accompany the score board and highlights icons? So annoying!

  298. 298
    Frigatedoc Says:

    How did Lowe get out of that one….

  299. 299
    Frigatedoc Says:

    @ Leah…..

    They have the Braves “blacked out” here in Memphis. Wierd I watched them on TBS my entire life growing up on TBS and now I can’t. Thank goodness for Fox South!

  300. 300
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Appropriate description:

    “Lowe escapes the inning.”

    Going 3-0 to Howard with two runners on was criminally stupid…

  301. 301
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Uggla has a 6 game hitting streak…. Wow

  302. 302
    Nate Says:

    Mark, Dan is definitely setting up closer to the plate.

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    Leah Says:

    Doc, be glad. I might have to mute it.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    302

    It comes from changing his approach from “pull” to “gap” hitting…

  305. 305
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I sure wish he had read this message board earlier in the season… ;)

  306. 306
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Well, it is about time for Lowe to have one of those epiphanies he has had every so often and change something… his location has been inconsistant for several starts now…

  307. 307
    Leah Says:

    I get teary everytime they talk about Freeman’s Mama. I wonder if she knew how great he’d be. Sad.

  308. 308
    Pure Says:

    We should have traded Lowe yesterday.

  309. 309
    Leah Says:

    Stink.

  310. 310
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Almost time to get Proctor in the game, huh John J? :(

  311. 311
    Leah Says:

    Does D Lowe not know JJ is being interviewed? Does he not see the bit ole head phones?

  312. 312
    Leah Says:

    Loooooooowedemort.

  313. 313
    Nate Says:

    There are 15 million reasons why Derek should be performing better than this.

  314. 314
    Pure Says:

    Rally coming up. We own innings 7-9.

  315. 315
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I think most of Julo’s good times against Hamels came “pre-cutter”…

  316. 316
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Put a fork in this one.

  317. 317
    Leah Says:

    Hello 4 1/2 back. I hate this game.

  318. 318
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I sure wish we could off-load the drunk. I can’t even believe he’s been the opening day pitcher since he got here.

  319. 319
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Just like clock-work, here comes Proctor. I mean, if you’re going to just give the game away, who better to call upon.

  320. 320
    Leah Says:

    So obnoxious.

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    Walker Says:

    LOL these comments about Lowe are funny. If he goes and throws a complete game shutout next start we will be raving. Wasn’t he our savior down the stretch last year? Having said that, I always said that we should unload Lowe’s contract no matter how well he pitches. 4 years was way too long.

  322. 322
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I’ll say this about Bobby Cox, he never folded his tent up no matter how many runs we were down.

  323. 323
    Jo-Bu Says:

    #321: Speak for yourself Walker, I’ve never championed that guy even when he was doing great for what, maybe his first five starts of the season?

  324. 324
    Leah Says:

    The Phillies fans doing the chop I mean.

  325. 325
    Leah Says:

    I miss Prado.

  326. 326
    Curt Says:

    So do the Braves

  327. 327
    Leah Says:

    It’s all Phillies today folks.

  328. 328
    Walker Says:

    After the game, I think Proctor should just quietly pack his bags, leave, and not show up for the second half of the season. This is embarrassing. He’s toast.

  329. 329
    Walker Says:

    We are killing our team ERA we worked hard for all year. This sucks.

  330. 330
    john j Says:

    Regardless of today’s game, nobody can convince me that signing Lowe has ever or ever will be worth the salary he gets. And Proctor needs to be scoped.

  331. 331
    Leah Says:

    Gonna be a long break.

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    john j Says:

    Oh, and can someone please remind me as to why Lugo is on the roster?

    Was it the .231 in AAA? Was it that he works for dinner? Was it that no other team wanted him? There is always a chance, but what are the odds that he will contribute anything?

    Playoff contenders cannot afford giving charity opportunities.

  333. 333
    Leah Says:

    New show!!!!!!

  334. 334
    Leah Says:

    Ya know…if it doesn’t get lost.

  335. 335
    Curt Says:

    From the Future’s Game:

    Teheran struck out Nationals outfield prospect Bryce Harper on four pitches, including 95-mph fastball on the outside corner that froze him for strike 3 to finish his one inning of work.

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    Walker Says:

    Take that Harper

  337. 337
    Leah Says:

    Could have used him in Philly.

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