July 17, 2011

Show #156: The Braves Start the 2nd Half Right

Looking back at the All Star Game.  Chipper’s recovery. Wren’s comments about the trade deadline.  And the 10,000th win.



310 Responses to “Show #156: The Braves Start the 2nd Half Right”

  1. 1
    DAP Says:

    Tigers CF is Austin Jackson, who finished 2nd in ROY voting last season. he is struggling this year, not really a good leadoff option.

    If I had to pick between a bench bat, and a bullpen arm, i’d get the bullpen arm, too.

    but, i dont see any reason we would be limited to just one! :- )

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    DAP Says:

    i think the braves get alot more respect around baseball than we, as braves fans, think they do. it is obviously a storied franchise, and many of the best players to every put on a uniform played for the braves. i really do think that the braves franchise is viewed with alot of respect by people around baseball.

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    DAP Says:

    as far as hanson and jurrjens being a little off…the first start after the all star break is always a little weird for everyone. they will be back on their routine and back to normal in their next starts. im predicting a 5-2 week, but i think it will have more to do with the offense than it will the pitching. the O is figuring some things out, and we are going to some big time hitter’s parks.

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    Curt Says:

    DAP – Braves just ranked as the 3rd most popular team in baseball behind the Yanks and the Sox. Crowds might not be great in Atlanta, but they are still a national draw wherever they go. Not sure what my point is, but they certainly have a national imprint that is much larger than the small home crowds would indicate.

    I will say that they had a nice showing this weekend against the Nats.

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    DAP Says:

    curt, im not sure if the braves are ever going to have the same type of fan turnout as the cubs, red sox, yankees phillies, ect. and its a bit unrealistic to expect them to. the communities the serve are just different. atlanta is very spread out, and its just a small part of “braves country”, when you get down to it.

    anyways, i dont think attendance is a problem, anyway. the braves make up for some small crowds by having one of the bigger stadiums in baseball. so, when they do sell out, there is about 10,000 more fans in the place than there would be at a phillies sellout.

    but as far as getting the “respect”, i dont think that attendance has anything to with with a team getting respect from around baseball. anyone think the Rays dont get respect?

    also, i think fans of every team feel like their own guys dont get the cred they deserve at times. just part of being a fan. i believe most folks consider the braves as one of the top franchises in all of baseball.

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    Curt Says:


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    Steve Says:

    What are your predictions for Lowe tonigh?

    I say 5.2 innings, 3 ER

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    Nate Says:

    I have Lowe expectations for this evening. yes i did.

    Great show guys. We need Infante plus a right handed arm, and I’d rather have a proven RHP than a rookie like Vizcaino.

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    Anne Says:

    #4 – nice to hear about our ranking. I think I mentioned here once that when I went back to CA for a high school reunion, all the (former) jocks were thrilled to hear I was in Atlanta and said that they watched the Braves on TBS as teenagers and learned to love the team that way. Cubbies, too, probably get that, thanks to WGN.

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    Nate Says:

    Do you guys think Lowe would even be in our postseason rotation? If not, then why not dump him for whatever prospects you can get? I really do believe that Minor or Teheran could come up and give us at least the same quality as a Lowe start. Of late, Lowe has been pretty bad, imo. He isn’t getting the same location and control he had last September and October and in April of this year.

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    DAP Says:

    Nate “Do you guys think Lowe would even be in our postseason rotation? If not, then why not dump him for whatever prospects you can get?”

    if the playoffs started now, no he wouldnt. but remember he was pretty bad most of last year too, before going 5-0 with an ERA around 1.15 in september, when we made the playoffs by one game. the then pitched something like 6 no-hit innings in the game the braves were eventually eliminated in. point is, lowe pitched REALLY well down the stretch after sucking for 5 months, and without him we would have been on the outside looking in.

    since we wont be setting the postseason rotation for another couple of months, im not ready to say we wont need his veteran presence in the playoffs.

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    DAP Says:

    i think lowe gets himself a quality start tonight. 6 IP 3 ER. the braves explode for 10 runs tonight. freeman has a big night.

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    Steve Says:

    #10 – I absolutely think Lowe is in the postseason rotation if the playoffs started tomorroe. I think trading him is a good idea, too, but they would put him in there because of his experience.

    #8 – nice

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    Walker Says:

    i just have to make an announcement. Jason Heyward is no Jeff Francoeur. He is much much more talented. It’s amazing reading several blogs and message boards that all of a sudden people want to start Hinske over Heyward or send him down to AAA. People wake up. He is obviously hasn’t found his rhythm and is just in a funk. Remember Freeman was struggling too.

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    Anonymous Says:

    Why the Hate for A-rod? To me he’s a top 25 player all time.

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    Curt Says:

    Because he’s a self-serving cheater? No question about his skills.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Great show guys….

    #14 Jason Heyward better than Jeff Francoeur? Long run Heyward..RIGHT NOW? Francoeur. How many assist does Heyward have?

    I thought you guys were a little “wishy washy” on the trade talk. I think we need another everyday bat. Remember long ago when San Diego traded for a pitcher just so we would not get him? (Can’t remember what his name was). Not saying to trade the farm, but we are legit this year. More so that I can remember. Much more than this time last year. Get that extra bat to make us better!

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    I agree with #17 on #14.

    I don’t think Heyward is a very good defensive player. Now, that doesn’t mean he’s not laid out for one or two balls that looked really great. But there are a few balls I think he could have gotten too were just over the wall — didn’t seem to put any effort into jumping up off of the ground to at least try. Doesn’t seem to get a very good jump from time-to-time.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    #16, I am with you Curt

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    Walker Says:

    Oh Ok, lets offer Dayton Moore Heyward for Francouer and see what happens.

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    Nate Says:

    Heyward is made of glass.

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    Leah Says:

    Halliday getting shellacked.

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    ham Says:

    Does Todd Helton age?

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    Steve Says:

    Not taking anything away from our hitters, but Hammel is just not very good.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Heyward…… “foot contusion” fancy word for bruise.

    Great game so far, but I hate playing in Colorado…..you can score a ton of runs quick.

    Does anyone remember when the Braves OWNED the Rockies? When the Rockies first started the Braves would beat them all the time.

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    Vinnie Says:

    #25 – Did you see the very start of the game with the shot of Heyward looking REALLY pissed in the dugout? Not sure what it means. Not that it means anything. But it was good to see some emotion out of him.

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    Steve Says:

    Dammit all! #26 was me.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    Watch Fredi G. pitch Proctor here at Coors Field. This is no place to pitch that guy.

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    Steve Says:

    #28 – Good point. I wonder if Fredi would have pitched him had the score remained a 6 run deficit.

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    Nate Says:

    DOB is saying Chipper will be back on Monday against the Pirates. Crazy.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    Great win for the boys tonight. Phils lose, we win, and now we’re only 2.5 GB!

  32. 32
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I’m as happy as a little girl… and now is ze time on Sprockets vhen ve dance!

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    Nate Says:

    I would give up Delgado or Minor for Beltran, especially if the Mets pickup a lot of what’s left on that contract. Dump Lowe get Beltran.


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    Nate Says:

    It would give the Mets a chance to finally give it to the Phillies, so for them it’s a catch 20/20, or something like that…

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    Pure Says:

    It’s fun hearing the teams we beat-up express their awe of the Braves. Jim Tracy, in his post-game comments: “arguably as good a staff as anyone in the national league”… “when you’re dealing with a staff of this magnitude…” “Against a pitching staff like this i give credit to the fact it was a game effort on our part.”

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    Leah Says:

    Just listened to the show but don’t have time to chat. All I can say is I cant believe Steve benched Curt! Yikes! And really want to know who Vinnie is. Not gonna let that die.

    Great show great win Go Braves!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Nice game, Lowe.

    Good show, ABT.

    The answer to not feeling connected to the 10,000 wins is to take a peek at the old teams. As baseball cities go, I like the fact that our team belongs to more places than Atlanta.


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    Bubdylan Says:


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    Curt Says:

    #37 I like the fact that they had an outfielder named Possum and an infielder named Rabbit

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    DAP Says:

    Bubdylan @ 37, i agree with you. You can feel more connected to the franchise by learning about those other teams. the braves museum helps with that, i think. i have a book called “101 reasons to love the braves”, and it has alot of really interesting tid bits in it.

    the braves won thier first world series at home in fenway park. thats right, fenway was our home ballpark. how about that? i think that stuff is cool.

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    Nate Says:

    #37, I always like looking at the listed heights and weights of professional athletes from back then. Kind of a different game. It’s great history nonetheless. Maybe our guys can rattle off a finish like their 1914 version. Should we start calling Uggla Rabbit and McLouth Possum?

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    DAP Says:

    by the way, ive got to brag a bit…my prediction about last nights game was pretty close. go me!

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    ham Says:

    #26 – 27 – we really need to dig deeper into this.

    #40 I have that book too. I love it.

    Also, I am getting more and more interested in the Beltran possibilities. Remember what he did for Houston that year he came over? Egads. Hope we don’t give up too much.

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    Nate Says:

    #43, I also don’t want him to go to the Giants or Phillies.

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    Anne Says:

    Let’s give the StrugglaMeter a retirement party and move to the Wayward Heyward. Or, the Heyward Jablowme…whichever you prefer.

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    Steve Says:

    Anne – that is fantastic.

    Where would we play Beltran? I hope you don’t say center.

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    Curt Says:

    Reports out of NY are that they would eat a substantial amount of his remaining contract in return for a mid-level prospect. (See salary dump)

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Agree with Ham about #26 – 27.

    Was it a coincidence that he (Heyward) was upset on camera when they said that? (mentioning him being pulled from the lineup.) Was he upset with himself for not even moving to get away from the ball? Was he upset at Freddi?

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    Leah Says:

    One of my favorite tweets ever…”From reading Twitter over the last few days, I’m pretty sure Harry Potter was in a soccer game.”

    Wish it was mine…

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    john j Says:

    Odds and ends:

    #25, Isn’t that 5 in a row over the Rockies this year?

    #35, Tracy speaks highly about all the teams that beat the Rockies; if the other team pitching is outstanding it explains a loss and lengthens his career.

    Lowe maybe could duplicate his September performance but why take a chance? If opportunity knocks, trade him to the first team that will take his guaranteed salary and use the money to keep the young stars. If you get anything else, it is a bonus.

    One area where Francoeur beats Heyward is in attitude and friendliness. At home or on the road, nobody smiles more, signs more autographs, and is friendlier than Frenchy. Will never forget the game in Colorado before he got traded when he took extra time after the National Anthem to pose for a picture and spend a momment with a special girl; this was after numerous autographs prior to that. No other Brave came near the fence. If and when, Heyward gets his head, body and game straightened out he will be the better player. Will he ever be a better man?

    Phillies average attendence: 45,482. Braves: 28,602. Does anyone honestly believe that the revenue from 17,000 more a game doesn’t make a difference on what a team’s future expeditures and success will look like?

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    john j Says:

    Opps, forgot:

    Braves are 14th in average road attendence.

    At last nights game, i estimate that 20% of the fans were for the Braves. In the 90’s, I am guessing that it was over half and yes, I was there. Obviously, the Rockies have now built their fan base and TBS no longer builds the “America’s team” franchise. Oh, for the good old days.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    I too long for the days of TBS. The only thing about the TBS game is: It’s like watching it on Peachtree TV; no pre/post game. Still, I’d rather see the Braves broadcast nationwide rather than local.

  53. 53
    ham Says:

    Rain delays certainly don’t increase the chances of watching the whole game.

  54. 54
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Just went from bad to worse…………..

  55. 55
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Well, I don’t guess the bats are going to come to life tonight.

  56. 56
    Leah Says:

    We just need to make sure Dan Uggla gets 5 more at bats!

  57. 57
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Well, you’d hope for a better start from Beachy but hey, our No 5 versus their ace — whatch gon’ do? Now, Fredi, bring on Proctor and let’em score 14 runs.

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    Pure Says:

    Latest quote from Fredi: “I’m not a big numbers guy”. So now we can add Math to the list of things that he’s not good at. Numbers are there for a reason — they don’t lie. I heard Steve say several times that “Fredi is not a smart baseball guy”. I think we need to make that statement more general.

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    Eric Says:

    Numbers often lie.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    One thing is for sure about numbers: The are 100% accurate at “predicting” the past :)

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    Vinnie Says:

    Guys…on Chipper. I don’t think we NEED him for the run. Stay with me. If he was the healthy, producing Chipper of years ago…yes. But NEEDING a guy that we have no idea how healthy he is AND how long he can take the beating of the season. Chipper is great…if he’s in everyday playing condition. To think he’ll ever achieve that again is wishful thinking.

  62. 62
    DAP Says:

    #61…Steve? is that you?

    hard to say weather having chipper is vital, but it sure wont hurt. cant wait to have him back.

  63. 63
    Leah Says:

    Come on Steve…out with it!

  64. 64
    ham Says:

    Vinnie (if that is really you), unfortunately Steve has ruined my ability to take what you say seriously. It’s not you, it’s him.

    Whoever you are, I think we need him. He’s our leader. Not for every at bat, but for the important ones, I like my chances with him over 70% of the team. Healthy or (somewhat) not.

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    Anonymous Says:


    Are you wanting to give McLouth the nickname Possum because they play dead at home and get killed on the road?

  66. 66
    Leah Says:

    #65 is awesome. I wish I knew who that was.

  67. 67
    Anonymous Says:

    So, if they trade Lowe to Detroit, anticipating they pick up a little salary, who do you think they ask for?

    Francisco Martinez ? Bruce Rondon ?

  68. 68
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Sorry, 65 & 66 were mine… I keep forgetting that entry lately…

  69. 69
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I would have liked to have seen the Michael Cuddyer & Omar Infante aquisitions an article talked about, but the Twins have published their intention to re-sign Cuddyer or let him walk if they can’t – NO TRADE by July 31…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    What do you think about acquiring Luke Gregerson from the San Diego Padres? He does have a lousy ERA away from Petco, so that might be a concern… but he HAS to be a better option than Proctor… maybe it gives Fredi a four headed option at the end of games… then he can pitch four relievers for an inning each every game…

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Saw this today….

    SI’s Jon Heyman runs through ten Beltran suitors, naming the Phillies the “clear favorite.”

    Heard the Mets gave Beltran a list of teams and the Braves were not on it.

    Looks like the Phillies are trying to make the “best team” better. I guess we hope that Freddi’s “numbers” all work out…..

  72. 72
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    What would you think of Jordan Schafer and Carlos Perez for Marlon Byrd?

    Pretty good fielder (not quite as good as Schafer, but better than most – UZR Schafer 3.7, Byrd 2.8) and upgrade in CF on O (Schafer .601 OPS, Byrd .769).

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Seems most of press I see ranks Minor as being “a number 3 starter at best” opinion…

    Is that what you folks think?

    Wonder if we need to revisit our “who would you trade first” ranking/discussion…?

  74. 74
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Speaking of #67 & 73…

    If Lowe were to “go”, who would you fill the opening in the Braves rotation with (assuming we don’t aquire someone…)?

    I assume it would be limited to Minor, Teheran or Delgado…

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    ham Says:

    This just in: Ph the Phillies.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Saw on DOB’s blogs that the Braves are nearing a trade for a bat….. one of the names are….

    Jeff Francoeur

    would you welcome him back?

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    I’d like to see Hunter Pence who’s also in the rumor mill. That’d be a good option for a platoon or something in right field since Heyward is scuffling.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    Francour might work too. Leaving home might have done him some good — clear his head and to get some of the pressure off to learn how to play in the bigs without all of the day-to-day pressure of being the home-town boy (even though Brian McCann hasn’t had any issues with it).

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    Nate Says:

    Definitely Pence over everyone else, imo. I wouldn’t mind Frenchy if it’s as a 4th OF to help against lefties and the asking price is low.

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    Nate Says:

    Francouer also shows value as defensive replacement and a pinch runner. He would not be a bad piece to add to this club. Coming back to Atlanta might spark him a little bit, too.

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    Nate Says:

    What if it’s Melky Cabrer? How many people cringed after reading that?

  82. 82
    Nate Says:

    *Melky Cabrera

  83. 83
    Anonymous Says:

    Melky Cabrera sounds like a delicious fruity cocktail. With umbrella.

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    Melky’s having a pretty decent season over at KC.

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    Adam Says:

    That inning made me really sad

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    Why was Huddy batting for the last out of the 7th?

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    ham Says:

    86 – Totally with you. Even though Huddy is probably one of our better hitting pitchers, should we try to jump start the O? That call was a little baffling.

    This game is making me nervous.

    I don’t want Frenchy or Melky.

  88. 88
    ham Says:

    Alright, Jordan. Steal the base, but watch the slide.

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    Danny Says:

    I read this on another board: what do you guys think?
    JJ for Kemp!

  90. 90
    Danny Says:

    Why are we not sending Shafer to steal second?

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    ham Says:


  92. 92
    Danny Says:

    Nevermind. Should have happened withPrado up!

  93. 93
    Danny Says:

    Can we trade to get another Dan Uggla?

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    Leah Says:

    Ok JHey…it’s time.

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    Anne Says:


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    Curt Says:

    Heyward, finally finding a way to get on base.

    And I’m trying to overlook the potential irony of Uggla finally getting going, and getting hurt.

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    Anne Says:

    Curt = Ugg-noring it.

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    Steve Says:

    Have we heard anything about what happened to Uggla yet?

  99. 99
    Steve Says:

    I want nothing to do with Frenchy. It would be like getting back with a girlfriend you broke up with for very valid reasons in the first place. It will not end well.

  100. 100
    Danny Says:

    Uggla pulled the leg muscle. His leg is just one big muscle!

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    Danny Says:


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    ham Says:

    I smell a Mac Attack coming.

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    ham Says:


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    Leah Says:

    Cannot handle Chip Carey.

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    Anne Says:

    Rockies vests = lame

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    ham Says:

    Oh no-do.

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    ham Says:


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    Curt Says:


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    Jo-Bu Says:

    You just saw that one coming.

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    Leah Says:

    That one’s a heartbreaker.

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    Leah Says:

    Did you Jo-Bu? I totally thought O would get out of it. Martin is going to beat himself up over that one…as he should. (can’t believe I said that)

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    Jo-Bu Says:


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    Steve Says:

    Walking Wiggington there was just asinine. I’m sorry, Car-go is too good to walk some to bring up.

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    john j Says:

    It is tough enough being a Braves fan here in Colorado as I only get the 3 or 4 games here and usually catch the Braves somewhere else a couple of times a year. Watch them on TV all the time but nothing beats live baseball for getting a feel for a team. The 3 games have shown a lot. Good and Bad. You all know this team is centered around the pitching but a championship team does need some hitting. It is one thing to get beat by Jimenez, it is another to get beat by tonights group. Without Chipper and McCann, there is little. Yes, Uggla and Freeman are earning respect; after that, nada. Can a team that carries Gearrin, Proctor, Lugo, Conrad, Gonzo, etc. go all the way? Add a weak hitting outfield of Heyward, McLouth and Schafer (Schafer does show hustle and promise) and you can expect results just like the last two nights; has a championship team ever had a weaker outfield? I did learn this week why the Braves don’t fill the house in Atlanta. Poor hitting, poor fielding (our high school boys would have played the ball better than Prado and one senior has a better arm than Heyward), poor managing and poor base running does not work well if you plan to win. Heyward is obviously carrying some sort of attitude that can be cancerous to a team; he has looked PO’d all week,doesn’t hustle and contributes little (doesn’t even look friendly to teammates during warmups). Several good ideas have come up on this site for possible trades; some better happen or a great opportunity will slip away; it is not often that a team can assemble 8 or 9 effective pitchers. One man’s observations. 113, u r right. Nobody walks someone to pitch to Cargo.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Can a team that carries Drew Carpenter, Danys Baez, David Herndon, John Mayberry Jr., Michael Martinez, Raul Ibanez, Ben Francisco, Ross Gload, Brian Schneider, etc. go all the way?

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    Leah Says:

    (doesn’t even look friendly to teammates during warmups)…that’s the most troublesome part of #114.

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    john j Says:

    Sorry, each team has a different situation; making the Braves better is my concern. Bub, your past comments clearly are in the “don’t bash Wren” category so, sorry one sentence out of 20 offended you. Braves will need to rely on their bench as some starters are not doing that well. But the real point is that the Braves likely will have to make a few changes now and at the end of the year. Anyone willing to bet the Phillies won’t make some improvements? Bub, say hi to Wren for me. Maybe he can extend Lowe’s contract and renew McLouth’s.

  118. 118
    Nate Says:

    #114, Cody Ross, Aaron Rowand, and whoever else Bochy threw out there last year. I do agree with you that we need mire hitting, but I don’t see a big move happening.

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    ham Says:


    On another note, it’s not so much that I don’t want to read Fredi’s post game comments, it’s that I don’t HAVE to read them. “We had some guys on, they made some plays, and we couldn’t get anything done.”

    Oh! So that’s what happened. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Luna Lovegonzalez. (That was for you, “Vinnie.”)

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    So DOB says a trade for a bat is coming…who do you think it will be?

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    john j Says:

    Denver Post today:

    “Sometimes, no matter how compelling the evidence, no matter what the eyes are saying, no matter what the book suggests, a manager has to ask himself a simple question: Whom do you want to beat you?”

    ……. “Wigginton is 4-for-41 with runners in scoring position and two outs this season. CarGo? He’s now 13-for30 with three homers and 18 RBIs.”

    Post also had a few points thanking Prado for making the first out at home in the 6th. Radio show said he must have thought the bases were loaded. We’ll need Prado but this wasn’t his best game.

    Heading for the ballpark. Hope Fredi and Prado got penty of rest and are ready for a new day.

  122. 122
    Nate Says:

    Please no B.J. Upton. Please.

  123. 123
    Nate Says:

    Minor and the G-Braves are on CSS right now.

  124. 124
    Nate Says:

    Jonny Gomes? Really?

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    Curt Says:

    It won’t be something flashy. Fredi seems to go out of his way to praise Schafer. They might pick up a backup type and add a righthander to the bullpen, but I will be shocked, shocked I say, if it is anything more than some tweak. They are still hanging on the Chipper and Moylan are coming back vein, and I think that is where they stay.

    Carlos Beltran is not walking through that door. Hunter Pence is not walking through that door.

  126. 126
    Leah Says:

    #119 is making me laugh. #125 can you change doors?

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    Leah Says:

    “Just no excuse. I should have stayed down and at least stopped that ball. It’s completely my fault.”

    “Just one of those plays – I don’t want it to happen, but it happens sometimes, and it was one of those times that happens to lose the game. And I hope that this game is not going to cost us at the end of the year.”

    “I take a lot of ground balls in batting practice. I don’t have any excuses. I have to make that play…. I had a real tough game today. I guess it’s going to be one of those nights where it’s going to be real hard to sleep.”


    Bless him.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    john j, my comment must have seemed more snarky than I intended. I’m not a big Wren apologist, though I defy you to find a GM who has done better to contend on a budget while keeping the farm together.

    Actually, I’ve changed my mind on the tone I’d like to use here. Piss off, whiner.

  129. 129
    Kate Says:

    Does anyone really want to give up a top prospect for two months of Beltran? You can’t even offer him arbitration at the end of the season and get draft picks.

  130. 130
    ham Says:

    I hadn’t really thought of it (because my name is not Anne S.), but it seems like we really miss Diaz around now. Bittersweet because on one hand he is killing it for the Pirates and the Pirates are atop the Central (both of which i sort of like, for him and for them), but on the other hand all of our trade talk shenanigans might be mooter if he was around.

  131. 131
    ham Says:

    *more moot? mootier? Are there degrees of mootiness? I know there were the Mooty Blues. That I know.

    (In a related story, I am really bored at work and can’t wait for the game to start.)

  132. 132
    Anne Says:

    Hamilton – my co-worker Gary is walking around the streets of Boston right now with a Braves cap on. He’s planning to see the Sox play tomorrow night…whoever they’re playing. If you see him, feel free to punch him in the face.

    Oh, and thanks for the Diaz shout. I’m SO wearing my Diaz Braves jersey to the games next week. Mooty Diaz.

  133. 133
    Nate Says:

    Kate, it sounds like the Braves answer to your question is no. It’s probably the smarter move in the long run. Most fans want a big, flashy acquisition, but from a managerial standpoint, I’m sure hanging onto Delgado and Vizcaino is the smarter move for the future of the organization. I think Prado, Schafer, and Heyward is your October outfield. Gomes or someone else of similar abilities is coming in to be our 4th outfielder. Gomes crushes lefties, so maybe he ends up being a right handed Eric Hinske.

    I would love to see us get Adams from the Padres. Our bullpen would be so unbelievable.

  134. 134
    ham Says:

    Anne – I am so used to having Red Sox fans scream “Braves Suck” at me whenever I wear my colors, that the last thing I am going to do is add more hate. I would go up and give him a hug, but that would probably only validate the other thing that Red Sox fans say about Braves Fans (which shouldn’t be repeated here).

    My son has a Braves hat that he wears with pride, and a five year old boy (wearing a Sox hat) said to him “why do you wear that? That’s stupid.” They start them young here.

    (My son’s response was “because my dad does.” (wiping away tear) That’s my boy.)

  135. 135
    Steve Says:

    john j – the Heyward stuff you’re perceiving is very troubling. And while I see it too, it seems so contradictory to everything you hear about the guy, his love of the Braves, his incredibly upright upbringing, the praise the folks like Hank and Bobby have heaped on him, on and on. Maybe if he’d just freaking hit .350 for a week he’d feel better.

  136. 136
    Steve Says:

    In other news, let’s win today and NOT have a 3 game losing streak on the books and a 5 game deficit in the East.

  137. 137
    Leah Says:

    …aaaaaaand we have a new Braves killer.

  138. 138
    Steve Says:

    Wow. What a painful start this is. Yikes.

  139. 139
    Curt Says:

    A .245 hitting Braves killer.

    On the matter of pitching to Wigginton or Gonzalez last night, that decision was made due to EOF. While I’m not sure I agree with it at all, Wigginton was like 3 for 4 with a homer in his career against EOF. Gonzalez is batting .239 against lefties. It was a “book” decision that backfired. Fredi makes some dubious decions, but that one wasn’t as glaring as it was made to be. That and the pitch was a meatball.

    Meanwhile, Chacin is imploding. Yeah team.

  140. 140
    Curt Says:

    Meanwhile, Alex Gonzalez sucks

  141. 141
    Steve Says:

    This team continues to surprise. I was prepared to declare game over at 4 – 0. And here we are tied. More good signs for a team with its 12(?) game hitting streaked 2nd basemen on the bench, too.

  142. 142
    Chris Says:

    I know Alex Gonzalez plays great shortstop, but I cringe every time he comes to the plate! I swear 90% of his at bats are a hopeless ground ball, a pop up, or a strikeout….oh what could of been if only we still had Elvis Andrus…

  143. 143
    Chris Says:

    Wow a double, hopefully he’s trying to prove me wrong!

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    I HATE these kind of games….goes back and forth….home team ALWAYS has the advantage!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!

  145. 145
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Feeling SOME better now….but only in tht top of the 7th…..keep it coming guys.

  146. 146
    Curt Says:

    9 hours later

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    Leah Says:

    Chicken Dinner’s ba so far tonight .000.

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    john j Says:

    Hot at the game here today. Heyward crushed one and compared to other days was messing around with teammates before game (mostly with his buddy); does he appear to by moody? As I recall, Heyward had 3 K’s though and when he misses, he misses large. Wish he could shorten up and control that swing with 2 strikes. His catch on the foul line was the old Heyward…..great!!! Does he follow this site? He and Prado can be the difference down the stretch.

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    john j Says:

    Bub (128), we’ll look forward to your ongoing comments praising Wren. You always manage to sneak them in. Hopefully, you can contribute some other info or ideas also. Just picking apart others’ comments doesn’t add much.

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    john j Says:


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    john j Says:

    Leah, thanks for sharing Prado’s comments. It wasn’t his day running, hitting or fielding; it is baseball. But he is a good player who plays with intensity and will help us win many games.

  152. 152
    Anonymous Says:

    Easy easy easy. Let’s watch the personal attacks (unless they are directed to one Fredi or Alex Gonzalez).

  153. 153
    Leah Says:

    Why can’t we all just get along…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Anybody else notice that when Kimbrell gets two outs he starts rushing his pitches… and he usually walks someone?

    When he pauses a bit in his set position, he throws a much better pitch…

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    Walker Says:

    I usually don’t do this, but I’m guaranteeing the Braves win their next 7 games. The pitching we face against the Reds and Pirates can be handled easily. I just have this feeling.

  156. 156
    Steve Says:

    john j – were the Rockies fans stunned? crying? despondent? as we kept coming back and then finally settled in to the lead? I want to hear some stories of real hopelessness.

  157. 157
    Steve Says:

    #155 – Wow, Walker. OK, I’m ready to sit back and enjoy a week straight of victories.

  158. 158
    Anne Says:

    Anybody else looking forward to seeing Dontrelle Willis pitch this weekend? Now there’s a guy who had a lauded start and crazy section for a bit…

  159. 159
    Nate Says:

    I must say, I am a fan of these late afternoon games.

    The Mess looked at Minor yesterday. I consider Minor expendable at this point. I’d like to hang onto the big 3 of Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino.

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    Nate Says:

    Tomorrow is the day game, got all excited for nothin’.

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    Kate Says:

    I just think there has to be a way to package Minor for a better deal than two months of Beltran. Can Beltran even play CF full time?

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    Nate Says:

    No. If an AL team got him they would probably DH him a lot. It’s not really in Wren’s style to do a trade for a rental player. If the Braves acquire a LF or CF they really need to get someone who can fill that role for more than the final half of this season. There really are not any great options in our farm system.

    B.J. Upton could be a real possibility. He was brought up last year, too. He is crazy talented, but he is also crazy.

  163. 163
    Kate Says:

    I would love to get Upton, his splits away from the Trop are really good.

    I would also be happy getting a Reed Johnson type (plays all three OF spots and is good against lefties) and a RH relief pitcher at the deadline.

    Beltran against lefties this season .232/.291/.547.

  164. 164
    Nate Says:

    Upton could be one of those guys who just needs a change of scenery. He is better than both McLouth and Schafer. It just seems bizarre to trade Yunel for character issues and essentially acquire a less talented player a year later with very similar issues.

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    Curt Says:

    As long as it isn’t Frenchy. I’d rather we got Melky back.

  166. 166
    Leah Says:

    #165…Yowsers! Fredi handled Hanley Ramirez kinda crazy last year. Couldn’t he handle Upton?

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    Leah Says:

    “Once the Mets act on Beltran, they can listen more seriously to offers for some of their other players. The team, however, likely will proceed carefully. Club officials do not want to give up on the season entirely”

    Homerism in the land of sucktitude…

  168. 168
    Steve Says:

    Listen to this Peter Gammons interview (it’s in the first 3 or 4 minutes). He thinks the Braves are the front runners for Beltran. http://t.co/i7W8kxw

    Also, DOB just tweeted that Gearrin’s been sent down and Christian is back up. Good move.

  169. 169
    Steve Says:

    “Homerism in the land of sucktitude…”

    Mets fans should get t-shirts made.

  170. 170
    Danny Says:

    I think a more mature Frenchy would make our bench stronger, while building on the chemistry that makes us the Braves

  171. 171
    Nate Says:

    Olney thinks we lead for Beltran, too.

  172. 172
    Leah Says:

    Anybody know who’s pitching for Gwinnet on Tuesday? I’ll be headed to Durham donning Braves’ emblems from head to toe. Ok…maybe head to belly button but if I had Braves shorts, socks and shoes I’d wear them too.

  173. 173
    ham Says:

    Bub, I know that you already mocked this up, but where do we put Beltran if we get him? Is this the lineup . . . .

    What is the lineup when Chipper comes back?

    I like them both, come to think of it. Not to count our chickens before they hatch, but if the Mets are willing to give us two months of Beltran (and maybe some $$ and a reliever) for Minor, I think we take it.

  174. 174
    Curt Says:

    Fingers crossed that they throw Manny Acosta into the deal

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    Leah Says:

    “Francoeur, 27, has appeared in the postseason twice and reached the World Series with the Texas Rangers last year. He has a .973 OPS against left-handed pitching in 2011, making him one of the most coveted right-handed hitters on the midseason trade market.”

    Anybody expect to read this sentence?

  176. 176
    Danny Says:

    Leah! Where did you read that?

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    Danny Says:

    I gotta say, if we can get the Beltran rental AND an arm for Minor, I am game. Otherwise, I am terrified of this deal!

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    Walker Says:

    Why didn’t we resign Matt Diaz if we need help against left handed pitching?

  179. 179
    Walker Says:

    From Ken Rosenthal article:

    “Heyward, second in the NL Rookie of the Year balloting last season, is batting only .225 with a .319 on-base percentage and .396 slugging average, but the Braves are reluctant to send him to the minors, sources say.”

    Why the hell would we even think about sending Heyward to the minors. If we want to win the world series he needs to be on the team. This is supposed to be our stating right fielder for the next 18 years. Stick with him. We all know what kind of talent he has. Besides if we can have hope for Uggla when he has been hitting under .200 the whole season we can have hope for Jason.

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    Leah Says:

    Danny, saw it in twitterverse but can’t find it now. I cut and pasted so I know it’s out there.

  181. 181
    Leah Says:

    Found it…tweet by @jonmorosi, here’s the link http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/sources_red_sox_royals_have_discussed_francoeur/5671525

  182. 182
    Jo-Bu Says:

    I am totally NOT on the Beltran wagon. He’s a retread that’s having a decent year but is very injury prone.

  183. 183
    David Says:

    Gotta say, I like the Minor-for-Beltran trade for us. even though we’d only have him for a short time, our stockpile of pitching us deep enough to absorb losing minor, even if it is to a division rival. I don’t think we’d be getting anything in addition to beltran, and if we can get a healthy switch-hitting OF for an unproven pitcher with good stuff but command issues, then I think you do it.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Ham, 173, looks like you have Beltran in CF in your Chipper line up. Can he do CF? If so, I’m all for it.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Since I haven’t seen anyone say it: I think Minor is disliked by the organization.

    Speaking of wreckless speculation, anything ever come of Heyward’s alleged grumpiness? I haven’t been able to keep up much.

  186. 186
    Steve Says:

    #185: Bub, what makes you say that about the organization and Minor?

    I’ll admit that as the day has worn on, I’m getting all crazy for Beltran. He really would change our lineup dramatically (tho Ham, I don’t think he ever bats as high as 2, he’d be a 4, 5, 6 guy imo.)

    I agree that I’d want a ML ready arm or a good prospect along with him. My other concern is that Minor is simply better than our 3 big prospects right now. And if something happens to one of our starters… and all for a 3 month rental … but he’d certainly bolster the offense … I’m a bit schizo about it all right now. But, it’s exciting as hell to be part of the conversation on all the shows.

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    john j Says:

    Steve (156),

    I’m a Braves fan since ’55 and a Rockies fan, secondarily, since ’93. There isn’t much that upsets Rockies fans. They are used to losing after a 6 run lead and they are used to winning after being behind by 10. The disappoinment came early this year as we were sure that they were contenders. Didn’t see any crying. Next couple of days will determine if Rockies are sellers and a couple of bullpen guys could be available, Spillbourgs is a great 4th OF, Giambi probably to American league as DH; despite rumors, Jimenez stays (GM would be lynched). Wiggington or Ellis could help some team down the stretch. No more Braves/Rockies games this year so, I’ll stick to Braves talking on this site.

  188. 188
    Steve Says:

    #187 – Thanks john j. And sorry, didn’t realize you were also a Rockies fan. I don’t wish the crying for you – just for everyone else.

  189. 189
    Walker Says:

    Bottom Line: Don’t trade a young future #2 lefthanded starter for a 34 year old outfielder who really can’t play centerfield anymore and can’t hit lefties and will only be here for 50 to 60 games. Not to mention he is an injury risk,. Worst case scenario is that we trade Minor for Beltran and two weeks latter Beltran gets hurt. This would be just a real dumb trade. I would maybe do Delgado, Hoover, outfield prospect for Beltran. Minor for Pence would also make sense.

  190. 190
    Walker Says:

    I swear Fredi is so stupid. I saw that double play a mile away. Why Gonzalez wasn’t bunting there with two lefties coming up makes no baseball sense.

  191. 191
    Steve Says:

    #190 – or just ask him to strikeout and insure only ONE out

    The thought of doing a weekly Gonzalez meter seems pointless. He will simply be that bad all season, I’m afraid.

  192. 192
    Walker Says:

    Tell me why we traded a cheap young shortstop with a high ceiling who hits for average for a mid thirties shortstop who can’t get on base or hit. Oh yeah attitude problems. PLEASE! The workplace is full of people you don’t like. Deal with it. I still don’t understand this “team chemistry” thing. Just because I don’t like the guy playing second base I might make more errors and hit less? I know this is an old topic but I had to say something.

  193. 193
    ham Says:

    Bub – I don’t know where else to put Beltran when Chipper comes back. Does he play short?

  194. 194
    Anne Says:

    191 – you could call the segment “Leggo my A-Go.”

  195. 195
    Curt Says:

    A K bomb for A Gonz

  196. 196
    Steve Says:

    Anne, you really have a gift.

  197. 197
    Anne Says:

    Short Bus special, that’s me.

  198. 198
    Anne Says:

    Proctor looks as big as Prince Fielder. But TV puts pounds on ya…

  199. 199
    Nate Says:

    Proctor or Kimbrel. I guess Fredi has decided this top 1/2 of the 9th inning is for the game.

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    Nate Says:


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    Leah Says:

    His name is Daaaaaaan Uggla! Lovin’ the long ball!

  202. 202
    Walker Says:

    Dear Dan Uggla,

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    Nate Says:

    Uggla going to right center. Somewhere Mark in Memphis just shed a tear of joy.

  204. 204
    Walker Says:

    Thank you for saving us from Proctor losing the Game.

    Sincerely, A braves fan

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    Nate Says:

    Well, if Uggla has arrived, if Heyward keeps playing better, and Martin and Chip can stay healthy… we gotta a damn good team on our hands. Add Infante and Mike Adams and dominate

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    Nate Says:

    Of course Heyward immediately pops up to an outfielder after I type that…

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    Nate Says:


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    Nate Says:

    Gomes kinda sucks…

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    I think the Struggla-meter has finally died!

  210. 210
    Nate Says:

    Beltran rumor roundup from Talking Chop:

    We should see more rumors like this during the weekend as, presumably, the talks get closer to completion. That being said, I can sense the reluctance of the Braves front office to trade away good players for two or three months worth of a veteran with an injury history, and no possibility of draft pick compensation. That’s not something they typically do — just give away prospects. If they’re trading away major prospects, then they want the player they’re acquiring to be under their control for more than a few months.

    After this year center field will still be an area of need for the team, and they would have fewer prospects to go out and get another center fielder (I’m assuming that the front office is aware Jordan Schafer is probably not a long term solution).

    Beltran could make a difference down the stretch and in the playoffs, but he just doesn’t seem like the kind of player the Braves would go after — in terms of amount they would have to give up and length of time they would have him. Still, I’d be excited if we got him. And if it’s straight up for Minor, I’m fine with that (mainly because I’m not that big on Minor).

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    Steve Says:

    #205 – Damn straight.

  212. 212
    Nate Says:

    Maybe the trade talk fired up Lowe…

  213. 213
    Adam Says:

    Or maybe not…

  214. 214
    Nate Says:

    Really, Fox?

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    Nate Says:

    Interesting. Going with Proctor here, huh?

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    Jo-Bu Says:

    That’s Fredi.

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    Nate Says:

    Some really horrible pitch locations these last couple innings by the usual suspects.

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    Kate Says:

    Will this finally get Proctor released?

  219. 219
    Walker Says:

    @ Kate

    No not yet. He has to lose at least 3 more games for us . Then we can release him.

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    Anne Says:

    If I was in charge of Proctor’s career, my punny self would have sent him to proctology school…because pitching school isn’t workin’ out

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    QC Bravo Says:

    Who is more at fault here? Fredi for using Proctor or Wren for keeping him on the roster, thus allowing Fredi to use Proctor? Personally, I blame Wren – sometimes you have to save people from themselves. How much data do we need on this experiment?

  222. 222
    David Says:

    Just got around to listening to this week’s podcast. I’d certainly be in favor of changing it from the Struggla Meter to the Wayward Heyward.

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    john j Says:

    When Proctor comes in you know Fredi has given up on the game (proctor scoped us again). Martinez looks like a suitable replacement for Gearrin. A couple of timely hits early and Braves would have had a cushion and we likely would not have seen Proctor/Martinez.

  224. 224
    Danny Says:

    Move D Lowe to the bullpen as long relief and to the bench for pinch hitting. Problems solved.

  225. 225
    Danny Says:

    Interesting response from Heyward to questions about his current struggles:
    I am still a believer. I think the patient Heyward we love will return before the playoffs.

  226. 226
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Saw an interesting description of the Braves:

    Their “swing first, ask questions later” lineup has yielded a ton of homers and strikeouts but not much in between.

  227. 227
    Mark in Memphis Says:


    Along with a “FINALLY!” escaping my lips… ;)

  228. 228
    Nate Says:

    @226, that definitely seemed to be the approach the guys were using yesterday.

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    john j Says:

    226, Mark, right on!

    A good example: Last Wednesday, Nicasio (Rockies) threw 53 pitches in first two innings. Instead of working the counts and getting to Rockies bullpen early, the Braves started swinging like crazy. Nicasio got 7 innings in and rockies got the win.

  230. 230
    Walker Says:

    Thank God for the wild card. We are going to need it this year guys. The Phillies and the Red Sox are extremely, extremely good teams. They are even better than I thought they were going to be. They never lose.

  231. 231
    Steve Says:

    #230 – Yeah, 5 straight for the Phillies, 7 of 9.

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    Leah Says:


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    Curt Says:

    Come on. Dontrelle Willis hasn’t been good in, what, 7 years?

  234. 234
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    What team with a big ballpark has someone we could use that could be had for Beachy?

    (unfortunately the facetiousness of my tone is not conveyed by text…)

  235. 235
    Curt Says:

    That was 2 of the worst ABs……………..
    Quick, swing at everything. We have a plane to catch.

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    Leah Says:

    I hate that this game is on ESPN.

  237. 237
    Walker Says:

    I want Joe Morgan and Jon Miller back. I can’t listen to these haters anymore. Bobby Valentine just said Heyward should change the very swing that got him to the majors and almost won him the rookie of the year. Stupid..

  238. 238
    Leah Says:

    Bobby V absolutely hates the Braves. He shouldnt be allowed to call Braves games.

  239. 239
    Leah Says:

    Whatever happens before the trade deadline…we should probably keep McCann. Bobby V sounds so disappointed.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Maybe that will shake Dontrell a bit… (hopefully)

  241. 241
    Curt Says:

    So does Hershiser. It’s like ESPN has a casting call for every jack hat I have hated in the history of baseball. When’s Leyritz getting his shot?

  242. 242
    Walker Says:

    Good job getting two runs back. All we need is a lead going into the 7th. Hopefully Willis has a Lowe type implosion.

  243. 243
    Steve Says:

    Wow. They actually just said something nice about McCann.

  244. 244
    Leah Says:

    Why can’t Prado’s play be excellent Prado Mr. Valentine?

  245. 245
    Walker Says:

    @ Curt

    Imagine a show called “Leyritz and Bell”. Where Jim Leyritz and Albert Belle discuss baseball, steroids, and being douche bags. I would watch it. Special Correspondent John Rocker.

  246. 246
    Leah Says:

    New show tonight?

  247. 247
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    And because of the positioning of his mouth, Valentine probably sounds stupid in the booth…

  248. 248
    Leah Says:

    “Based on the position of Freeman, he was probably safe on the play.”
    Classic Valentine


  249. 249
    Walker Says:

    Can he get any more biased. This is supposed to be a neutral telecast.

  250. 250
    Leah Says:

    Totally saw that swinging bunt coming. Hunker down Mr. Beachy.

  251. 251
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    “The Pirates want to make incremental improvements”… Isn’t that the definition of “picking up McLouth”?

  252. 252
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Beachy needs the throw at the guy in the on deck circle… while he is in the on deck circle…

    We should NOT see him in the picture unless he is getting too close to the plate…

  253. 253
    Walker Says:

    Prado needs to get it together.

  254. 254
    Leah Says:

    Take him out!

  255. 255
    Leah Says:

    Beachy…not Prado…never Prado. Or Freeman.

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    Leah Says:

    More runs please!

  257. 257
    Walker Says:

    More than any player in the majors, I wish Dontrelle well in his future endeavors. Just not in this game.

  258. 258
    Leah Says:

    Um, how long can Chapman pitch? Like how many innings? I have never wanted JHey to knock one out more than that at bat.

  259. 259
    David Says:

    Okay. I completely understand Fredi’s whole “Alex Gonzalez doesn’t have to hit because his defense is so good” talk. As stupid as this statement is, Gonzalez’s defense really is terrific, and so he does deserve a little bit of leeway with his bad offense.

    But if this is the case, then under NO circumstance should Fredi be batting him 6th — behind 3 of this team’s hottest and most productive hitters. Batting Gonzalez behind Freeman, who is batting behind Uggla, who is behind McCann? That is asinine. I’d much rather see Wilkin Ramirez give Freeman some protection.

    (Also, I’m watching this game on what is probably a 20-30 minute delay. Gonzalez just hit a 15-foot grounder to strand runners at 1st and 2nd in the top of the 6th.)

  260. 260
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Dontrell got that pitch SEVERAL times…

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    Leah Says:

    Surely the other guys will say something to Valentine. He’s being obnoxious.

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    Leah Says:

    I guess when you spend that many years in the valley of sucktitude you come out warped.

  263. 263
    David Says:

    LUGO > GONZALEZ, any day and every day

    (again…20-30 minute delay)

  264. 264
    Walker Says:

    263 is a bandwagoner

  265. 265
    David Says:

    Also…I would just like to point out that the team the Cincinnati Reds are playing tonight are the Atlanta Braves.

    Since 98% of the ESPN broadcasting has been centered around the Reds, the 4-team race in the NL Central, Dontrelle Willis’ comeback campaign, Barry Larkin’s upbringing, and Joey Votto’s toe fungus, I thought that this simple fact might have gotten easily overlooked.

    Oh — and the 20-30 minute delay says that this week’s blog should lead with the Wayward Heyward after he busted that rally with the GIDP. ARRRRRGH.

  266. 266
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Alomar is a class act alright… a NO class act.

    He mocked the fans of Atlanta doing the chop when his team was winning in a WS game…. What an A-hole!

  267. 267
    Walker Says:

    God forbid game 7 of the NLCS and we lose with Linebrink instead Kimbrel in extra innings. Use your best first Fredi. Home and away. What a stupid strategy.

  268. 268
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Another masterful job at game management by Fredi.

  269. 269
    Curt Says:

    To say that I saw that coming from a mile away would do disservice to a mile

  270. 270
    Leah Says:

    I hate baseball.

  271. 271
    Walker Says:

    Its safe to say we win despite of Fredi. Horrible managing once again.

  272. 272
    Walker Says:

    This fixation of only using your closer at home in tie games dumbfounds me. Use your closer to extend your teams chances of getting a lead. Then let your other relievers close the game out. That way if they mess up, they were at least pitching with a cushion. However if they mess up when we are tied the game is over.

  273. 273
    Nate Says:


  274. 274
    Curt Says:

    Man did I take some heat for calling that 3-4 trip.

    Another stupid ballpark. If your team can’t compete in a major league ballpark, construct a better team. And if your fans can’t appreciate baseball without it all being about the homer, get better fans.

  275. 275
    David Says:

    As soon as Brooksie struck out in the top of the 9th with a runner on 3rd, I knew the game was over and it wouldn’t be going to extra innings. Just didn’t think it would happen with one swing of the bat. Damn. What a lame way to lose the game.

  276. 276
    David Says:

    264 — yup. only a bandwagoner would watch games on a delayed dvr.

  277. 277
    Leah Says:

    Salt in the wound? Chicken Dinner had Stubbs benched.

  278. 278
    David Says:

    …and only a bandwagoner would post on this blog while watching the game on a delayed dvr, too.

    Btw, I think the Braves should trade Birchy, or whatever this new pitcher’s name is, for Beltran to play CF everyday. (eyes rolling)

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    David Says:

    Looking forward to this week’s podcast, which I’m guessing y’all are currently in the process of recording.

    Can’t put too much stock into a 3-4 record in Colorado and Cincinnati since they’re such weird ballparks, just gotta move past it and look forward to being at home this week. We should’ve done better than 3-4, but oh well. We’ve already won the Wild Card, according the ESPN, so it doesn’t matter anyway.

    This week — 4 against the Pirates and 3 against the Marlins. I say 5-2 this week — either a) 3-1 vs Pittsburgh and 2-1 vs FLA or b) 2-2 vs PIT and 3-0 vs FLA. I think the first one is more likely, but either way I think this is a winning week at the least.

    Also…I’m looking forward to the Phillies finally losing a series this week — which’ll be vs the Giants.

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    Steve Says:

    Hey folks. Technical difficulties tonight. The podcast should be up tomorrow night. Thanks.

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    Nate Says:

    #280, Tough night all around. It’s all good. You guys still rock.

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    David Says:

    281, you said it perfectly.

    The podcast is like the news that Proctor haas been DFA’ed – whenever it comes, it will be eagerly welcomed!

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    (I remmebered my name this time…)

    Saw an interesting article about people to trade for. He listed a “dream”, “nightmare” and “reality”…

    I found it interesting…


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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Another interesting take on one of the folks mentioned in the article:


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    Curt Says:

    It’s this stuff that drives me crazy:

    “The defending NL Central champions hadn’t won consecutive games since June 14-15, when they completed a three-game sweep of the Dodgers in Los Angeles.”

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    Eric Says:

    SI’s Peter King ranks MLB parks. Braves at 24.

    “24. Turner Field (Braves) — Even on hot nights, feels a little cold to me.”


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    Steve Says:

    #286 – Agree completely. And, as I’ve said on the show before, I think a lot of it has to do with the dim lighting. It’s just a little gloomy there.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Looks like the Braves are unlikely to unload any of the “top” pitching prospects for Upton or Beltran….

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    Curt Says:

    Name that keeps popping up today is Tyler Clippard.

    In, for me.

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    Steve Says:

    #289. Hell yes.

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    Nate Says:

    #288, I think it’s highly likely that we will need Minor at some point before the season is up.

    #289, I really want Clippard. Moylan/Clippard/EOF/Veters/Kimbrel. It would be so awesome. We would finally have enough guys to match up against Carlos Ruiz and the Phillies late in ball games.

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    According to AJC looks like Schafer has a chipped bone in his finger……that stinks! Looks like DL time for him.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Jim Bowden thinks we need Bourn from Houston.
    Mike Minor, Jordan Schafer, J.J. Hoover

    Gives the Braves a legitimate top-of-the-order game-changer
    Led the NL in steals the last two years
    Is leading the league again this year
    Has a .350 OBP
    Can run the ball down in center field with phenomenal range

    My look:
    Though he is a lefty, he hits decently against lefties.
    vs. Left .278/.333/.389/.722
    vs. Right .310/.368/.407/.775

    Hits well on the road (does hit better in Houston)
    Outside of Houston .293/.357/.366/.723

    Has really heated in June and July (but was still better than our CF options from April and May):
    April .276/.357/.378/.735
    May .265/.323/.359/.682
    June .324/.388/.467/.855
    July .353/.375/.412/.787

    Is Minor better than a #3 starter (as what I have read over and over)? I heard he was the Braves pick that year because they thought they could afford him (he was picked ahead of higher ranked players in the draft)…

    I think a really good OPS guy would do the Braves a world of good (see post 226)

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    289 & 290

    Love the possibility, just hope the Nats haven’t worn him out the last two years…

    2010 91 IP in 78 games
    2011 57.1 IP in 45 games

    Compare to:
    2010 44 IP in 56 games
    2011 46.2 IP in 51 games

    2010 20.2 IP in 21 games
    2011 50 IP in 51 games

    2010 83 IP in 79 games
    2011 61.1 IP in 57 games
    (from ESPN stats)

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    QC Bravo Says:

    Once again, use your best pitcher when 1 run means a loss or when 1 run means a tie? When on the road, there is only one goal while not hitting: make the game last until you hit! Stop using a stastic to dictate which pitcher to use!!!!! Not to mention the top of the order being up. (banging head against wall)

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    Anne Says:

    Greetings from Turner Field, where it sucks to be me.

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    Leah Says:

    Anne, any sign of clear skies?

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    Anne Says:

    9:10 start

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    Anne Says:

    Diaz not in lineup and I still stayed thru rain delay. “Homerism in the land of Suckitude.”

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    Nate Says:

    Gonzo just presented a strong case for the Pitcher batting 8th with that AB.

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    Nate Says:

    Hah, #300, so did Huddy.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Alex can’t buy a break… Pitcher can’t throw a strike for three straight pitches and then puts one on the outside black at the knees…

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    Leah Says:

    Alex sucks right now.

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    Nate Says:

    It’s can of remarkable that Jason managed to turn 2 clutch ABs into DPs without the use of a groundball. He’s got some bad mojo workin right now.

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    Nate Says:

    *kind instead of can. my iPhone hates me

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    Anne Says:

    Leggo. My. A-Go.

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    Leah Says:

    Please see #303.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Listening to Joe talk about how McLouth should have thrown to second and that “Alex was pointing to second”… Problem was, Alex was lined-up as a cutoff man for a throw to third and McLouth was looking at the ball in the air when Alex was “pointing”…

    I blame both…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    That will teach that ump to call those low and outside pitches strikes…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    At least Linebrink is consistant…

    He is leaving ball after ball up in the zone…

    He must have some movement on the pitch to get away with as many as he does…

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