July 25, 2011

Show #157: The Braves Pitching Struggles on the Road

Trade deadline talk. The starting rotation. Chipper’s return. And the Wayward Heyward Meter



505 Responses to “Show #157: The Braves Pitching Struggles on the Road”

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  1. 276
    Nate Says:

    #274, I agree with your thoughts on the prospects. Arodys and Julio are the closest to contributing to the big league club. I was going to make a point that this crop is not it for us and pitchers, but the guy I was going to bring up, Carlos Perez, is having a rough year in Rome. Everyone was pretty high on him before the season starts. Yeah he’s just in A ball, but so were Julio and Arodys. The speed of those guys can show that if you draft or sign the right guy he can be ready in a 2-3 years. We did draft that lefty pitcher out of FSU in round 1 this year. I would hope we spent a first rounder on a guy who can at least be in AAA in a year or two, like Minor.

  2. 277
    Nate Says:

    I don’t see how you turn down a package including guys like Delgado and Minor if your the Astros. Those guys would be in Houston tomorrow. The Astros are just that bad. The few Astros fans I know really want this thing to go down because they are so hurt for pitching. JA Happ sucks when he can’t face the Braves 5 times a year.

  3. 278
    Leah Says:

    Are we nervous Phillie will swipe him? Not able to read all the news so I might be a bit behind. Even if they are gunning for him our pitching prospects trump theirs any day. Don Sutton is going to have to stop referring to him as the praying mantis.

  4. 279
    Nate Says:

    Are the Patriots high?

  5. 280
    Nate Says:

    Kurkijian thinks it will take a 3-4 player package. I’m feeling less optimistic about this going through. If the Phillies get him that’s pretty much it.

  6. 281
    Bubdylan Says:

    Delgado looked very poised and capable during his outing for Atlanta. Why has the love for him dried up so much since? Is he doing poorly in the minors?

    Vizcaino’s arm troubles scare me. Also heard a scout mention a bit of a poise problem for him. I haven’t kept up enough to form an informed opinion, but someone tell me why I’d rather lose Delgado than Vizcaino.

  7. 282
    Bubdylan Says:

    If the Braves sell the farm (re Kurkijan) for Pence a year after the Phillies got Oswalt from the stros for a sack of ju ju beans, I will drive to Atlanta and slap Wren’s pretty hair off.

    And how do you like this quote from MLBTR:

    “The Braves don’t value on-base percentage as much as other teams, one NL official told Olney (Pence has a .354 OBP).”

    That’s just great. The one central thing, the basic and nearly only universally agreed upon aspect of the saber revolution, and we’re like, “nah, that’s some voodoo, that ain’t real.” Why’d they let Frenchy go, then?

  8. 283
    Curt Says:

    I would add to that evaluation “…under Fredi Gonzalez.” With all those walks they took last year, their OBP had to be at an all time high.

    This series in particular seemed like the old wait around for the 3 run homer trick. What did you have in the last 2 games? 22 hits and you scored 5 runs? How many walks? They had runners galore and couldn’t get one big hit. It’s like I’m glad we didn’t get swept, but I’m mad we didn’t win all 4.

  9. 284
    Curt Says:

    Sorry to just throw stats out there with no real numbers. I’m lazy and don’t want to look all of that up right now.

  10. 285
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Watching Beltran play with the Giants is like seeing the girl you asked to the prom with another guy.

    (Partially stolen from Steve’s “Frenchy like getting an old girlfriend back” analogy.

  11. 286
    Nate Says:

    The Pence trade talks have made me completely useless so far today…

  12. 287
    Nate Says:

    #281, I saw that. WTF?

  13. 288
    Curt Says:

    I have to say, after reading that article from the Philadelphia Inquirer, I’m not so hot on him now. Especially, as Bub notes, if we have to give up the farm for him.

  14. 289
    Leah Says:

    I think this year will be like other years…we come very close but no cigar. Phillies take tons of girls to the prom while the Braves sit at home watching 80’s movies with their mother.

  15. 290
    Steve Says:

    Why not Bourn over Pence? He should come cheaper and still brings a lot to the table. I mean, there was much Bourn talk a few weeks ago and it’s completely dried up. Could that mean that’s who we’re really targeting (Frank in stealth mode)?

  16. 291
    Nate Says:

    #289, I thought they came out early add said they weren’t interested in Bourn.

    #287, that article, plus Buster Olney’s, and Talking Chop have me wondering if he’s worth 2 starting pitchers on the cheap.

  17. 292
    Nate Says:

    *and said

  18. 293
    Bubdylan Says:

    Curt, 282, you’re probably right. Fredi took heat in Florida for keeping a low OBP guy in the lead off spot, and he’s repeating the mistake here. So, yeah, Fredi’s bad.

    Steve, no EARTHLY idea why we’re not going after the cheaper, and more positionally appropriate, Bourn instead of all this Bourn business. My (very doubtful) secret hope is that we’re driving up the Philly price on Bourn with no intention of getting him, and then snag Bourn at the end. But I’m not optimistic anything that smart is going on. Wren has been straight forward, if quiet, in the past.

  19. 294
    Bubdylan Says:

    Last point: Pence is rockin’ an unsustainable .370 BABIP this year.

  20. 295
    Bubdylan Says:

    agh, I meant “driving up the Philly price on PENCE” in #292

  21. 296
    Bubdylan Says:

    Ugh, in fact, nobody should even read #292, apparently I named every player I was talking about Bourn.

  22. 297
    Bubdylan Says:

    Leah, we’ll take Tanya Hanson, Jan Jurrjens, Dana Uggla, and Joan Venters to the prom. Never fear.

    The trick is to make Philly pay all those limo rides for one extra dance with a girl whose … uh … make-up and hair … uh … relies on a .370 BABIP (Boys Are Blindly Inlovewith Pence)… percent …

    Boy, that got ugly.

  23. 298
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Would you straight up trade Heyward for Pence?

  24. 299
    Bubdylan Says:

    Frig, (mind if I call you Frig?), no, not at the heavy price tag. The chance that Heyward will recover to give up Pence-like production or more for one twentieth of the cost next year is too high to risk it.

    Heyward was a 5 WAR player for half a million dollars last year. That’s the kind of value Atlanta MUST get from a couple of players per season if they want to contend on 90 million.

  25. 300
    Bubdylan Says:

    “There continues to be zero enthusiasm within Atl org. about giving up any of the core 4 pitching prospects-Teheran, Vizcaino, Minor, Delgado”- Buster Onley’s Twiiter.

    What a roller coaster. From nightmares of losing Minor/Delgado/Simmons for a year and a half rental… back to refusing let go of one single lefty who coughed up the #5 starting job when it was his to lose in Spring Training?

    Next year, I’m turning off Twitter from July 15 until August 1.

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