Nate, I’m with you on #300. If they indeed refuse to let go of even one Minor/Teheran/Delgado/Vizcaino, I’m thinking Frank envisions a rotation totally on the cheap. It’s not a terrible idea, assuming they spend the savings on bats over the next three winters. But that’s more than I’d assume.
See #267 for my thoughts on the pitching. The Braves love to spend money on starting pitching. I think they could keep both.
Prospects. In one hand you have Elvis Andrus, in the other Andy Marte. You hold on to the one guy and trade the other and who knows what will happen. Except we now know. See also “George Lombard.”
I did read something this morning entitled the 50 worst trades of all time. Braves made it in a few times. On the good – Fred McGriff for 3 useless prospects, Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, but #7 was the fan favorite. The Tex deal.
#302, Save money on the rotation, spend on bats. Eventually, they will have to pay Prado, Freeman, and Heyward more than they make right now. Another contract for McCann is down the road, too. Also, this doesn’t rule out trades of these guys in the future when they have a better idea of what they have, but the reports on the Braves feelings about those 4 guys leads me to believe that all 4 are projected to be in Atlanta for a significant amount of time. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Vizcaino in a Medlen type role where he could start or come out of the bullpen.
If the Twitterverse is to be believed, the Astros don’t like the Phillies’ prospects that much, including Brown, and Pence is the Braves’ for the taking for no more than Minor + lesser prospects. Now, if they don’t do that, that’s just lame.
Also, does hanging onto all of these guys mean we are trading Lowe before his contract runs out? Right now, our entire rotation will be back next season, and our AAA rotation would be Teheran/Minor/Vizcaino/Delgado, unless Delgado isn’t promoted and Vizcaino is demoted.
@298: Guess I never really put that “in numbers” like you do. I just see Heyward being a bust. Of course I don’t want him to, but he will NEVER live up to expectations. Remember according to all the hype he got in spring training hitting cars in the parking lot, he was supposed to be a “power hitter” who hit for average. So far he has not proved that. Plus, (as the guys have discussed on the show) there is SOMETHING about his attitude and thought process that bothers me……
BTW…. “Frigatedoc” comes from that I am a retired US Navy Chief Hospital Corpsman who served on a Frigate and was the “Doc” on the ship.
@301: No I am NOT high and you don’t have to worry about me becoming a MLB General Manager. It would be just like working in the medical field…..you can’t make everyone happy.
Frigatedoc, Heyward may be a bust, but it would be a huge risk, with our budget constraints, to let go of the chance he reaches even 60% or so of his potential, and especially in exchange for an 8-10 million dollar player with a high BABIP and low (for the money) OBP.
Heyward sees the strike zone too well for me to buy into his bustdom just yet. That one skill covers a lot of sins, and I think his chances of recovery are pretty decent.
As crazy as it sounds though I guess I just want to win NOW. Pence just seems like a good fit for us and could be permanent. Look how consistent his numbers are. Remember how good Frenchy started out? The pitchers figured out how to pitch to him and he never ajusted. Guys like Mccann can hit just about any pitch thrown to him.
If we get a guy like Pence it makes us better. WHEN we get all of our “guys” back I truly believe we are just as good as any other team out there.
Plus I don’t want the Phillies to get him and look in our hands (Braves) and realize that all we got was Wil Nieves for a dollar….. I can see the corny vacation T-shirts now..”Giants got Beltran, Phillies got Pence, all we got was Wil Nieves for a dollar.”
I don’t get the Jason Heyward hate. There’s a ton of it over at the DOB blog (granted, most people at the DOB hate everything, including oxygen, Gandhi, and lobster tail), but it surprises me still.
Heyward will turn 22 in August. How many guy’s even make the majors at 22? And we’re seriously talking about him potentially being a bust?
As a 20-year-old rookie, Heyward made the All-star team and put up an OPS of .849. Hunter Pence has done better than that only once in his career. It was in less than 500 plate appearances in Pence’s first season. At every stop in his career, Heyward has raked. In four seasons in the minors, he compiled a .317/.390/.507 batting line. He’s had a tough season, hampered by injuries, which are the only thing that could ever keep him from being a complete stud for the Braves (hopefully) for the next 15-20 years.
And I find it hard to believe that, as fans, we can gather much about Heyward’s attitude or thought process from a handful of quotes and camera shots of the dugout. I don’t mean for this to be pointed at you, Doc. It’s more of a general rant that I should probably be posting over at DOB – only I’m afraid if I post there I’ll get death threats.
Two high points for me today and I’m stressed out at work and stressed out about the Bravos:
T-shirts now..”Giants got Beltran, Phillies got Pence, all we got was Wil Nieves for a dollar.”
I don’t get the Jason Heyward hate. There’s a ton of it over at the DOB blog (granted, most people at the DOB hate everything, including oxygen, Gandhi, and lobster tail). And Eric, seriously on the lobster tail. How does one not like lobster?!?!?!