Good show guys. I know we lost yesterday, but the day absolutely felt like a total win. I’m really excited about the prospect of Bourn and his speed getting on base in front of Prado, Chipper, Mac, Freddie, and Uggla.
Curt, I remember hearing that stat on the sac flies. I think they said we had like 12 all year, at that point, and the next lowest by any other team in baseball was like 28. Sad. It just shows we’re doing a terrible job of manufacturing runs when guys get on base. It’s like every time we get someone on our guys are trying to hit a 2 or 3 run homer instead of putting the ball in play and having a solid AB.
I’m going full Steve, 5-1. Time for the young to realize they need to start owning their division like the Braves of the 90’s.
this might be slanderous, but my honest opinion on ed wade dealing with the phillies, is that he is sweet on them. i think some GM’s in the league just have better relationships with some teams than they do with others. is that wrong? well it certainly is annoying for fans of other NL teams, that the phillies can take their pick of top astros talent for lesser packages then other teams are offering, just because wade has some buddies in the philiies front office. whatever.
hunter pence is a better overall player than bourn, in my opinion, but bourn is a better fit for us. i hate that the phillies got pence, but long term, wren made the right move. he still has those big prospects he can trade for an impact player. i think this was the right thing, although it sucks that the phillies got better too.
Not understanding why some feel the Phillies gave up nothing for Pence. Yeah, low minors players are harder to predict, but that doesn’t strip them of their value as completely as some are making out.
Besides, “MLB Ready” minor league player seem almost as unsure a bet to me. Jo Jo Reyes. Kyle Davies. Brandon Jones. (And coming soon: Jordan Schafer.)
High upside low minors guys seem about as bankable as low upside high minors guys. But “seeming is not being,” so maybe I can’t properly back that up.
However, nobody in the national sports media is dismissing the Philly package in any way because of their youth. Don’t you think there’s a reason that while we sit around and say “yeah, but they aren’t squat cuz they’re low minors guys,” the rest of the sports world sees definite value, and more value than the Braves package for Bourn?
CAC’s write up on the value of the respective trade packages is a good read, too.
Unfortunately, I completely overrated Fredi Gonzalez as a smart baseball man. I give him credit because he got to where he is by having a great attitude and being a hard worker. He’s paid his dues and been at the right place at the right time. However, to put it simply I wish we just had a more intelligent manager. Fredi is so simple and unaware. No way a manger in 2011 is ignorant about how important OBP is. I refuse to believe it. batting Alex 2nd? Really?
I disagree. Who’s spot woud he take? You probably put a powerhitter in 4th or 5th. None of the hits by a 4th or 5th batter being a double would have scored anyone.
1st – 1st & 3rd – 0 Out (double-single), Freeman drove in our run with a double play, Uggla singles (anything but HR doesn’t score run), Heyward flyout.
2nd – 1st & 2nd – 1 out (single-flyout-single – powerhitter not batting here), our pitcher couldn’t bunt and the lead-off hitter grounds out.
3rd – (2-3-4 outs)
4th – 1st & 3rd – 1 out (double-out-single – powerhitter not batting 7th), 8th hitter strikes out, pitcher grounds out
5th – 1st – 1 out (error – thrown out trying to advance, single), Freeman struck out, Uggla grounded out
6th – 1st & 2nd – 0 out (single-single – powerhitter probably not batting 6th or 7th), Gonzo pops out, Boscan strikes out, Chipper strikes out
7th – 1st – 0 out (single), Prado line-out double play. Freeman singles. Uggla pops out
8th – (6-7-8 out)
9th – Ross PH strikes out, Hinske PH flies out, Constanza singles, Prado grounds out
This was just an unlucky game. We didn’t string together hits, our pitcher didn’t get bunts down, we didn’t advance runners, we had a line-drive double play with no outs and our lead-off man on first, our leadoff man was safe at first on an error and just missed making third on the overthrow, etc., etc., etc….
But, if you have the speedster at the top of the order, when he gets on, pitchers know he leads the league in stolen bases and they have to think about him…
Plus, there wasn’t a powerhitting CF available… Otherwise, where are you going to put a powerhitter?
If it is a corner outfielder, do you sssume Chipper isn’t returning?
Or when Chipper comes back, who do you bench, Prado or Heyward?
And you would still need a CF, unless you plan to put your hopes on a AAA outfielder or Schafer (if he can stay healthy) for the stretch and playoffs…
I don’t see you displacing Freeman or Uggla.
I don’t think you want to pay what it would take to aquire a powerhitting SS (and with Tyler Pastornicky doing well this year in AA and better in his first 12 games since being promoted to AAA, I don’t much see aquiring a SS in the Braves near future).
Thanks for ending 157 with your personal attack. Bub, you must be on the Braves payroll. Right? Personal friend of his? Why does someone have to agree with your observations? You go ahead and go position by position and give Wren all the credit. I personally look at his trades and find him to be average. Is that a crime? Yunel? Mclouth? Lowe’s paycheck? Giving away tex?
Giving away Frenchie?
What do yo think about aquiring Aaron Miles from the Dodgers for the bench?
Mostly plays 2B & 3B, can play short (not too well), has played OF, but not much. Switch hitter that hits LHs well (.333/.343/.439/.782) and is no slouch against RHs (.291 .316 .341 .657).
Part time player that doesn’t hit for power, but seems more consistant than Lugo…
#5 Eric, impact player in the offseason is a really good question. I really think SS is the most logical place to get a guy. This might sound funny, but I would love for the Braves to sign Jimmy Rollins. I think he could really improve this team, and really hurt the Phillies at the same time. Obviously, the price would need to be right, but I think it could possibly be a good sign.
That, or trade for one, like Stephen Drew, Asdrubal Cabrera, Johhny Pheralta, Alexi Ramierez, ect.
A decent hitting SS could make a big difference. If Pastornicky looks like he is ready, I don’t think any big moves need to be made. Cody Ross and Omar Infante might do it, along with replacing some bullpen arms.
john j, you’ve been at me personally as some kind of Wren disciple for over a week, so don’t complain of a personal attack when I fire back. In fact my appreciation for Wren has always been a mixed bag.
Walker, I just worry about Bub and want to make sure he takes his BP (blood pressure) medicine so nothing serious happens to him when someone doesn’t agree with him. Also, bugs me when someone takes a jab on last post of the week. To stay on track, Bourn trade was excellent as I mentioned earlier.
I still would like to add Right handed Wigginton (Rockies) if clearing waivers could be done. Plays everywere but P/C and a clubhouse leader. Would be an upgrade for backup at most positions to what Braves have on bench. He was available last week, don’t know about now.
Wasn’t trying to sneak in a last jab, john j. That’s just where the conversation was taking place. If I’d thought of it at all, I’d have figured you’d rather I do that than fire a fresh shot on a brand new comment section.