August 01, 2011

Show #158: Braves Make a Big Move at the Trade Deadline

The Braves land Michael Bourn.  The Braves trade for Michael Bourn.  Did I mention we got Michael Bourn?

 

 

213 Responses to “Show #158: Braves Make a Big Move at the Trade Deadline”

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    Nate Says:

    Good show guys. I know we lost yesterday, but the day absolutely felt like a total win. I’m really excited about the prospect of Bourn and his speed getting on base in front of Prado, Chipper, Mac, Freddie, and Uggla.

    Curt, I remember hearing that stat on the sac flies. I think they said we had like 12 all year, at that point, and the next lowest by any other team in baseball was like 28. Sad. It just shows we’re doing a terrible job of manufacturing runs when guys get on base. It’s like every time we get someone on our guys are trying to hit a 2 or 3 run homer instead of putting the ball in play and having a solid AB.

    I’m going full Steve, 5-1. Time for the young to realize they need to start owning their division like the Braves of the 90′s.

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    Steve Says:

    Drool over this … http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14409/bourn-a-more-valuable-player-than-pence

    Cant’ wait to listen to the show, guys. MICHAEL BOURN!

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    DAP Says:

    this might be slanderous, but my honest opinion on ed wade dealing with the phillies, is that he is sweet on them. i think some GM’s in the league just have better relationships with some teams than they do with others. is that wrong? well it certainly is annoying for fans of other NL teams, that the phillies can take their pick of top astros talent for lesser packages then other teams are offering, just because wade has some buddies in the philiies front office. whatever.

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    DAP Says:

    hunter pence is a better overall player than bourn, in my opinion, but bourn is a better fit for us. i hate that the phillies got pence, but long term, wren made the right move. he still has those big prospects he can trade for an impact player. i think this was the right thing, although it sucks that the phillies got better too.

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    Eric Says:

    So if the Braves go after an impact player in the offseason, who do we want it to be?

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    DAP Says:

    guys, if we are getting 12 hits and just 1 run, what we need is a power hitter, not a speedster. extra base hits is what we lacked.

    but thats one game. we do need a table setter for the big dawgs in the lineup.

    why get a right handed reliever when moylan is coming back?

    because we dont know if he is coming back.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Not understanding why some feel the Phillies gave up nothing for Pence. Yeah, low minors players are harder to predict, but that doesn’t strip them of their value as completely as some are making out.

    Besides, “MLB Ready” minor league player seem almost as unsure a bet to me. Jo Jo Reyes. Kyle Davies. Brandon Jones. (And coming soon: Jordan Schafer.)

    High upside low minors guys seem about as bankable as low upside high minors guys. But “seeming is not being,” so maybe I can’t properly back that up.

    However, nobody in the national sports media is dismissing the Philly package in any way because of their youth. Don’t you think there’s a reason that while we sit around and say “yeah, but they aren’t squat cuz they’re low minors guys,” the rest of the sports world sees definite value, and more value than the Braves package for Bourn?

    CAC’s write up on the value of the respective trade packages is a good read, too.

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    Walker Says:

    Great Show.

    Unfortunately, I completely overrated Fredi Gonzalez as a smart baseball man. I give him credit because he got to where he is by having a great attitude and being a hard worker. He’s paid his dues and been at the right place at the right time. However, to put it simply I wish we just had a more intelligent manager. Fredi is so simple and unaware. No way a manger in 2011 is ignorant about how important OBP is. I refuse to believe it. batting Alex 2nd? Really?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Tonight’s Line Up:

    1. Constanza
    2. Alex Gonzalez
    3. Brooks Conrad
    4. Jason Heyward
    5. Jair Jurrjens
    6. Dan Uggla
    7. Freddie Freeman
    8. Michael Bourn
    9. Martin Prado

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    Curt Says:

    Is Minor a low upside high minors guy?

    And Bub, weren’t you the one accusing Wade of collusion?

    I just think so much of it is a crap shoot and from everything I have read, the braves offered a better

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    Curt Says:

    Package for Pence. I’m happy with what we got, and as I noted, maybe we don’t even think about the Pence deal if those same players arrive in a trade with the Yankees.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @6

    I disagree. Who’s spot woud he take? You probably put a powerhitter in 4th or 5th. None of the hits by a 4th or 5th batter being a double would have scored anyone.

    1st – 1st & 3rd – 0 Out (double-single), Freeman drove in our run with a double play, Uggla singles (anything but HR doesn’t score run), Heyward flyout.

    2nd – 1st & 2nd – 1 out (single-flyout-single – powerhitter not batting here), our pitcher couldn’t bunt and the lead-off hitter grounds out.

    3rd – (2-3-4 outs)

    4th – 1st & 3rd – 1 out (double-out-single – powerhitter not batting 7th), 8th hitter strikes out, pitcher grounds out

    5th – 1st – 1 out (error – thrown out trying to advance, single), Freeman struck out, Uggla grounded out

    6th – 1st & 2nd – 0 out (single-single – powerhitter probably not batting 6th or 7th), Gonzo pops out, Boscan strikes out, Chipper strikes out

    7th – 1st – 0 out (single), Prado line-out double play. Freeman singles. Uggla pops out

    8th – (6-7-8 out)

    9th – Ross PH strikes out, Hinske PH flies out, Constanza singles, Prado grounds out

    This was just an unlucky game. We didn’t string together hits, our pitcher didn’t get bunts down, we didn’t advance runners, we had a line-drive double play with no outs and our lead-off man on first, our leadoff man was safe at first on an error and just missed making third on the overthrow, etc., etc., etc….

    But, if you have the speedster at the top of the order, when he gets on, pitchers know he leads the league in stolen bases and they have to think about him…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @6

    Plus, there wasn’t a powerhitting CF available… Otherwise, where are you going to put a powerhitter?

    If it is a corner outfielder, do you sssume Chipper isn’t returning?

    Or when Chipper comes back, who do you bench, Prado or Heyward?

    And you would still need a CF, unless you plan to put your hopes on a AAA outfielder or Schafer (if he can stay healthy) for the stretch and playoffs…

    I don’t see you displacing Freeman or Uggla.

    I don’t think you want to pay what it would take to aquire a powerhitting SS (and with Tyler Pastornicky doing well this year in AA and better in his first 12 games since being promoted to AAA, I don’t much see aquiring a SS in the Braves near future).

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    john j Says:

    157-#501,

    Thanks for ending 157 with your personal attack. Bub, you must be on the Braves payroll. Right? Personal friend of his? Why does someone have to agree with your observations? You go ahead and go position by position and give Wren all the credit. I personally look at his trades and find him to be average. Is that a crime? Yunel? Mclouth? Lowe’s paycheck? Giving away tex?
    Giving away Frenchie?

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    Walker Says:

    john J calm down. That was soooo last weeks post.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Back to an actual Braves discussion:

    What do yo think about aquiring Aaron Miles from the Dodgers for the bench?
    Mostly plays 2B & 3B, can play short (not too well), has played OF, but not much. Switch hitter that hits LHs well (.333/.343/.439/.782) and is no slouch against RHs (.291 .316 .341 .657).

    Part time player that doesn’t hit for power, but seems more consistant than Lugo…

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Think we might still pick up Infante? Or are the Marlins “done trading”?

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    Walker Says:

    I actually think we need a right handed power hitting outfielder off the bench rather than a soft hitting infielder.

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    DAP Says:

    #5 Eric, impact player in the offseason is a really good question. I really think SS is the most logical place to get a guy. This might sound funny, but I would love for the Braves to sign Jimmy Rollins. I think he could really improve this team, and really hurt the Phillies at the same time. Obviously, the price would need to be right, but I think it could possibly be a good sign.

    That, or trade for one, like Stephen Drew, Asdrubal Cabrera, Johhny Pheralta, Alexi Ramierez, ect.

    A decent hitting SS could make a big difference. If Pastornicky looks like he is ready, I don’t think any big moves need to be made. Cody Ross and Omar Infante might do it, along with replacing some bullpen arms.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @17

    After thinking about it, I don’t think Infante clears waivers…

    Too many teams were inquiring about him prior to deadline… Pirates, Giants, et. al. are below us in the standings…

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    DAP Says:

    #8 Walker “No way a manger in 2011 is ignorant about how important OBP is. I refuse to believe it.”

    i do to. i think freddi, like bobby, is smarter than he will let you think he is.

    that said, batting gonzo 2nd is awful. in fact, he should probably be benched part time. let him split duties with lugo.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Curt, yeah, I was accusing Wade of collusion, and was clearly way off base as per usual.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    john j, you’ve been at me personally as some kind of Wren disciple for over a week, so don’t complain of a personal attack when I fire back. In fact my appreciation for Wren has always been a mixed bag.

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    john j Says:

    Walker, I just worry about Bub and want to make sure he takes his BP (blood pressure) medicine so nothing serious happens to him when someone doesn’t agree with him. Also, bugs me when someone takes a jab on last post of the week. To stay on track, Bourn trade was excellent as I mentioned earlier.

    I still would like to add Right handed Wigginton (Rockies) if clearing waivers could be done. Plays everywere but P/C and a clubhouse leader. Would be an upgrade for backup at most positions to what Braves have on bench. He was available last week, don’t know about now.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Wasn’t trying to sneak in a last jab, john j. That’s just where the conversation was taking place. If I’d thought of it at all, I’d have figured you’d rather I do that than fire a fresh shot on a brand new comment section.

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