No doubt Heyward is the future star for the Braves but that’s tomorrow. Play the hot had, that hot had won’t last long at all so Heyward will be back. We have to make a choice: Do we want to win now or save that for later. I’m not on the train that says come hell or high water we have to play the “future” star. We live in the here and now and have to win games in the here and now.
Totally agree with Jo-bu and totally disagree with Stevie. Play to win! If Heyward needs everyday atbats then send him to Gwinnett. Steve, how is this different than Frenchy? You were adamant about him being sat down or sent down.
Speaking of…love him or hate him Frenchy made an unbelievable throw to 3rd yesterday.
I hear a lot of folks offerng that Heyward might be better served with a trip to Gwinnett. I’m not so sure that would be good for him. You just can’t see Major League pitcing at the Triple-A. Perhaps this is part of Stevie’s point in that you just keep sending him in to play through it? If it were May, I’d say sure but days are falling off of the calendar, even for the wildcard lead.
I’m like Curt and Hammy, I don’t look for the Phillies scores any more — haven’t since we fell 5 games back.
Good show guys. I think you have to play “Georgie” until the league figures out how to get him out. Who knows, maybe this fires-up Jason. There is no doubt that he is our future, but right now he is pretty bad at the plate. (aside from yesterday’s blast) Also, the radio guys mentioned Fredi pulled Heyward so EOF could pitch 1 1/3 innings instead of 1/3 of an inning.
The good sign for me was Bourn coming over and continuing what he has been doing all year. You don’t see that from a lot of guys we acquire.
The bad sign for me is the starting pitching. We appear to be running out of gas. The effect of having both Hanson and Lowe in our rotation is really catching up with the bullpen, and Fredi continues to show no signs of knowing when to take a pitcher out.
I’m with you guys and Jo-Bu, no reason to pay attention to the Phillies at this point.
Leah, that throw by Frenchy was pretty spectacular. Thanks for posting the link.
it wasnt too long ago when the braves were doing the good week/bad week thing and y’all were begging for a good three weeks stretch to convince you this team was actually as good as its record.
well, here we are, having had such a streak, and still with the 4th best record in all of baseball. I know y’all try to just focus on the week, but keep in mind that counter intuitive to a long baseball season. The braves can bust out another streak of good baseball any minute.
This year’s team approach seems to be “Be Agressive”.
I think this explains the lower walk total and being “aggressive” is not necessarily a bad thing… However, they don’t seem to modify their approach with men on base and THEY NEED TO…
The approach ought to be, at least in their heads, the pitcher is in trouble. The pitcher has to change from wind-up to stretch, he has to split his attention between batter and runner, he has to have multiple defensive scenerios in his head as to which base he will throw to/where he goes to back up plays, etc. and he will have to be more carefull on the pitches he throws to prevent the men on the basepaths from moving up (i.e wild pitch, passed ball, balk, etc.).
The batter is still doing what he was doing before… trying to get a hit or a productive out. And that usually takes some patience.
How many times have we seen men on base and the batter go after the first ball he sees, no matter where it is? That is being aggressive, not adjusting to the situation. Until you get two strikes and need to protect the plate, look for a perfect pitch…don’t just go up there “aggressively hacking”.
I like the “check your egos at the door” reference.
I liked that Fredi didn’t change the line-up for Chipper to bat in the third spot when Freddie and Uggla are SO HOT at 3 & 4.
AND Chipper contributed to a win from the 5th spot.
BTW – ESPN’s bottom line displayed stories from the day’s games. All references contained last or first and last names of players except for the Braves game and the reference just said “Chipper” – kind of like “Elvis”
Uggla’s struggles came from an approach at the plate. Early season, he was trying to pull everything…he seemed to be trying to be the “pop in the middle of the line up the Braves have needed for years”..
Once he went back to being the gap-to-gap hitter he was when he was successful in Florida, he has been the Uggla we thought we were getting.
Jason’s issues, on the other hand, stem from problems with his mechanics stemming from playing through his shoulder problems. As a rule, you don’t work through mechanical problems at the major league level when you have a replacement (i.e. Constanza).
You still need to win games at the major league level. Want to make the playoffs? Heyward needs to play at a higher level or put him at AAA where he can concentrate on getting his swing back against inferior pitching – you don’t need major league pitching to work on mechanics of a swing. That way we win games now AND maybe Heyward is ready to contribute before the league completely figures out Constanza.
OBTW – Steve – we will have to agree to disagree – Constanza is a better defensive ourfielder than Heyward in the respect that Constanza’s speed can make up for the mistakes that both of them seem to have with balls hit over their heads. How many times have you seen Heyward lose one you think he should have caught? How many times have you seen Constanza make an adjustment and catch one hit past him that you thought he wouldn’t (given a small sample size…)
The truth is that Heyward was given star status before he earned it. Today he is an average hitter and outfielder at best. Words like “Top Prospect”, “special” or “potential” are used freely but you have to do it on the field. I am not saying he won’t be great once he heals up but then again, how many players make it to that level? .222 and 30 rbis is what it is. Lots of power when he hits it! MLB stats must have a typo but they are showing he has one assist this year; can’t be right. It also maybe that the Braves have had such bad luck at developing outfielders, he only looked like a superstar. I hope that is where it ends up………SUPERSTAR.
You can’t go by the # of assist an outfielder has when measuring defense.
And I agree words like “Top Prospect” or “special” are used freely but with Heyward they were actually true. This guy killed minor league pitching and shot up to the majors with 5 tool talent. I mean you can’t help but get excited. He just needs to stay healthy.
This lead should be good enough and we had a pretty good streak going until Hanson got pounded.
From Elias: The Braves had an early 5-2 lead before dropping a 11-7 decision to the Mets. Before Saturday night, the Braves had won the last 51 games in which they had owned a lead of at least three runs, dating back to September of last season. That had been the longest current streak for any major-league team and it was the second-longest the Braves have had since moving to Atlanta in 1966. (The Braves won 60 straight games with leads of three-or-more runs during the 2002 season.)
#24 – I know it’s easy for me to say, but I disagree. Heyward is not Frenchy. All we know is that he’s a potential superstar. With Frenchy he obviously had huge holes in his swings and was more of an athlete than a baseball player. That’s not the case with Heyward. Which, again, is why he should be in there.
MLB umpires certainly have a racket going on. Talk about job security.
35: Joe Simpson made another statement that I cannot recall at the moment that was sort of a dig at Proctor.
I really don’t think Proctor will be on the team if we make it to the post or maybe even in September. The Braves eventually did the right thing with KK and I think they’ll do the right thing with Proctor as well.
#52 — I agree. I think that Gonzalez should continue to play the hot hand with Constanza, but get Heyward in there somehow. Even if it means giving the semi-struggling Prado a night off, start Constanza in LF and Heyward in RF. For me, it’s close to unacceptable to not even allow Heyward the opportunity to hit his way out of it — especially when they’re facing a RHP tonight. I know that for you, Steve, it’s beyond unacceptable.
Y’all mentioned at the end of the show about alumni weekend and the list of players the announcer was naming…I’ve got a different request regarding the alumni: can we get some decent guys to announce Braves games, for both TV and radio?!?!?! Glavine’s good on Sundays, but Lemke and Treadway are painful to listen to on the radio, both during and after the games, and Gant and Brian Jordan are awkward at best!
The Braves won Lowe’s first start…what’s y’all’s call for the remainder of the week? Surely we don’t lose either series from here.
And just to clarify — I’m talking strictly about former Braves players as guys who announce or analyze games, in pre-game, in-game, and post-game segments. Jim Powell, Don Sutton, etc — those guys are good.
Getting benched on his birthday. Lame. There has to be more to this than playing the hot hand. I agree with those suggesting to give Martin a rest. He has had some pretty miserable ABs lately.
Kind of surprised to see Chipper in there on back to back days. He is hitting well, but he looks like every part of his body hurts. He had a postgame quote the other night confirming that pretty much everything hurt.
Fredi has to be more creative in finding ways for Heyward to play.
Alex Gonzales has been aggressive as well and has been fortunate to get the hits he’s got for a 7 or 8 game hitting streak. I wish I had some video of some of his horrible swings — I mean, stuff that is high and out side to where the catcher can hardly get to it.
“Just talked to #Braves’ Heyward, who has good perspective on this situation and great attitude. Said he understands Fredi starting Constanza because they’re trying to win games in a playoff race and Constanza gives them best chance right now. Said time off has given him opportunity to work a lot more in batting cage each afternoon, said he’s getting more comfortable in his approach and stance, simplifying things. Also, said health not an issue at all. Will write something now and post on http://ajc.com in a bit.”
Just saw Heyward’s interview on the rain delay show — wow. That looked like a completely different interview than how I’ve heard the interview with Steve went. He was smiling, being nice to the interviewer…kid deserves a start!
Can you really blame Bobby? How about blame the players who absolutely sucked. Danny Bautista and Graffinino were obviously were hitting lefties pretty well. They just sucked this time. Maybe Bobby should have told Maddux that Lopez would start. Kerry Ligtenberg couldn’t stop the Padres. Glavine gave up 5 runs in game 6. Is that Bobby’s fault?
Great to see Prado have a good game; and with Chipper even at 80%, things are looking up for the offense. Also, with Gonzo contributing and Proctor gone, and McCann healing, what could be better? Now, all we need is a little more from the starters and we can make our October plans.
I saw Mark mentioned this above and I think it needs to be revisted……
Last night after one of Heyward’s strike outs he flipped his helment to the ground like it was out #3. How many times have we seen this happen? Is his head in the game at all? I want to say that there was a man on base, so would that not change the way you would handle the at bat?
Steve I MUST disagree with what you said on the show (to a point). What happened last night is EXACTLY why Freddi needs to sit Heyward. The guy is litterally not hitting his weight right now. I say instead of sitting him, send him to Gwinett to get his swing back. He is really playing that bad right now. I understand what you are saying about loyatly and keeping him in the game, but to say to keep him in because he is the “new face of the franchise” is rediculous. We need to win NOW… While I respect your opinion, I do think it is wrong. But who am I, you are the one with a baseball talkshow!
If Proctor was still around he could pitch to Heyward to help him….
The Braves are fortunate to have many young faces on the team. When I think of their future, the names of Kimbrel, Venters, JJ, McCann, Freeman, Prado, Uggla, etc. are the ones that come up. Heyward is an afterthought. Injured or not, he is not the player anyone expected. He has no business batting any higher than 7th and he likely needs time at AAA to regain his skills. Right now, he looks like a #4 outfielder at best. Once you are in the Majors, the words “Prospect” and “Potential” don’t mean squat if you can’t perform! Can he perform in the future? I sure hope so but today, he is hurting the team. This time of the year, you put the players out there that give you the best chance to win. You worry about an individual’s ego after you look after the team. THIS IS A TEAM SPORT.
John J you are completely a PRISONER OF THE MOMENT and completely WRONG.
When I think of the future of the Braves, Heyward is actually the first name that comes to mind. I agree with you he may need to go to AAA, but only for a week. No way is Constanza going to be our right fielder into the postseason. Constanza is no J-Hey and you are completely lost if you think he is. Constanza has been extremely lucky and he is the 4th outfielder you speak of, not Heyward. The young faces you speak of like Uggla , Kimbrel, Freeman were all given every chance to work out of their struggles earlier in the year.
PEOPLE HE IS ONLY 22!!!
Yall are ready to throw him away like a rag doll. Be patient, the Braves are going to the playoffs and the only way they win a world series is if Jason plays out of his slump. I guarantee you Jason Heyward will be a extremely good player in his career, and a year from now we will be looking back at this laughing.
Well, I just think that whoever is performing at the moment should be playing. Unfortunately, that’s not Heyward. If it’s Aprill or May you can afford to give him a chance to work through it (he’s had this entire season already). But with less than 45 games left on the calendar, there’s no way you can afford for him or anyone else to come up with runners on base and popup or ground into a DP to waste that opportunity.
Constanza is not going to contnue to hit above .400 but he finds a way to get on base and when he does, it’s almost like a potential double. Lately he’s been taking an Ichiro approach to just put the ball in play and is getting lucky. You need luck in this game to succeed and right now he has it. We simply cannot afford to mortgage this season on next year’s “potential.” that’s like saying, well, we’re just gonna go ahead and let Jason get right for the next 30 games so he can go on a tear for the last 10. I think that’s silly and he’s not matured at this level to give anyone the confidence that he could even do that. I’m not downing him, his skill set, his talent or “potential” — he’s just young and working through some things.
If he’s lost some of his mechs at the plate, you can work on that stuff with soft-toss. Sending him to Gwinnett? I dunno but I think not becuase he still needs to see Major League pitching whether his problems are mechanical or not. And yeah, I get the confidece thing but I think is issue is more the lack of inconsistant mecanics than confidence at the plate.
I just cannot believe that we entertain sticking with the cold hand over the hot hand just simply because of Jason’s potential (and what he did in his rookie season). For all of the Struggla-Meter talk, and the complaining of others like Gonzales and McLouth (which were/are all justified), how does one make a logical argument that Jason Heyward, because of his pedigree is any more special than those veterans? This is not the time of the season (veteran, rookie, or otherwise) and the Braves must win by putting the best possible lineup on the field.
And for all my complaints about Fredi Gonzales this season, he at least gets that one right in my book.
Walker,#120. I’m not sure that I am “completely wrong” and in#119, I don’t think I said give up on him or “throw him away”. I never compared Constanza either. Most players don’t make it at 22 maybe Heyward just isn’t quite ready. Maybe it is not being 100% healthy. All I know is that I would take almost any other Brave to be at bat if the game was on the line. Maybe it all came too easy for him but right now he doesn’t seem to even do basic adjustments like shortening up his swing or keeping his weight back, etc. He seems off balance and unable to make contact when needed, like to move a runner up. I am no hitting coach but he needs some work to hit at the major league level. It could be fixed any day but we need hitters NOW.
One last thing, the Uggla situation was totally different as he has proven year after year what he is capable of so he got 3 months reprieve and it paid off. We were on his case but still thought it was highly probable Uggla would start hitting at some point. Uggla can hit MLB pitching! Not to say that Heyward won’t at some point. Let’s agree to disagree but I see Heyward as a contributor but not the cornerstone of the team.
@122 easy with that “y’all” word. I haven’t heard anybody else say he’s done. The discussion was either Play him, bench him or send him down. I think he’ll be awesome again. Just maybe not this season.
I can’t believe I’m quoting from Parade Magazine: “at the All-Star break, the number of runs per game was down 20 percent from 2000, and home runs had dropped a whopping 31 percent.” Um, thanks, drug testing??
How do you lose that game? 4 errors by them. We struck out 12 or something? Bad, bad loss. Bad series loss. The Cubs are playing better, but they are going nowhere. A stinker to end the week on after the sweep in Florida.