Hanson – iffy-ness physically reduces trades value (have to include too much w/ him to get something)
JJ – (first half record gives him HIGH value, possibly the highest he may ever have, plus, being a Boras client, we have NO chance to re-sign him w/o him testing free agency in two years)
Minor – getting better with every start, has proven “he can pitch up here”, HIGH trade value (can step into most any ML team rotation, is “cheap” for the next three years (I think) and still under team control for the three years after that – makes him very attractive to other teams, but also makes him VERY attractive to ATL with their current budget style)
Beachy – shown “he can pitch up here” for the entire season. Con: flyball pitcher, not the best thing in ATL home park…
Medlen – won’t know what he is till he pitches again – minimal trade value
Delgado – HIGH trade value following his last start, still don’t know what you have since he was pulled at the beginning of his “third time” through the line-up – first batter he faced for the third time hit the homer (which I agree with pulling him, don’t want him to have a chance to lose the game after pitching a no-hitter for six innings in his SECOND start – so much better than his first), trade value may NEVER be higher…
Terehan – High trade value based on reputation/potential, looked pretty good for a rookie in his ML starts, 2011 ML stats not the best (5.19 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, .288 BAA), might need another year in AAA
I left Vizcaino out of the list because they moved him to the bullpen to limit his innings. Not sure he will be “ready” to contend for a spot next year.
Personally, I could consider trading JJ before the “Boras effect” sets in.
I would consider trading Beachy before Minor (hate to trade a lefty), just because of the flyballs; however, John Smoltz was the same kind of pitcher…
Too early to trade Terehan, too “dangerous” to trade Delgado (after six no hit innings – granted it was against the Giants (lack of) offense)
I would say that the Braves definitely need to find some way to get rid of Lowe next year even if it means paying 13 million of the 15 mil he’s owed. I also wouldn’t be surprised if JJ was traded if Chipper retires for a big time left fielder.
So your objective is to get a left fielder? No thought of a third baseman there? Just wondering what influenced you in that direction?
Understand, I am in no way making a value judgement on your choice, I just wonder what went into it (i.e. in your opinion: Prado has shown to be better defensively at third than in the outfield, you think it will be easier to find a “slugging” left fielder than a third baseman, etc.)
“hard to determine what a trade value would be from just a couple of starts”
Is that “determination” for the Braves or other teams?
As for the evaluation, prior to the trade deadline, Terehan and Delgado were both considered “un-touchable”… So someone is making value judgements and I see the good performance in their starts can only improve that “value”…
The ball was dropped when Braves didn’t agree to eat some of Lowe’s salary and let some team take him for free. There may be another chance if he would only pitch a couple of good games in a row. I would be happy if they only had to eat half of next year’s contract. Every dollar saved would be better spent on the new stars. The problem is if he does pitch a couple of good games, Braves and fans won’t want to give him away.
Boras can be had IF the player really want to stay where he is at and loves his teammates. Would this be the case for JJ?
CarGo signed with Rockies based on promise that he, TuLo and Ubaldo would be the core for years to come. Boras can now show his other clients that ownership lies so wait to be a free agent which is HIS basic strategy.
#160 – I disagree that it was an unmitigated mistake not to get rid of Lowe. It wasn’t that long ago that all the sudden JJ and Hanson went on the DL. And it was really only this week that Minor “turned the corner” and, of course, the Delgado performance was only a few days ago.
Regarding who to trade… I don’t know. I like them all. Probably Hanson if only because I trust his health less and less.
What are we going to do with our excess pitching and money when there will be no holes to fill on the roster? All our positions are set for 2012. Our pitching staff is set. No Kawakami or McLouth. Wren doesn’t have to do anything this winter. At least he can concentrate on giving Lowe away.
#165, maybe the excess money goes towards eating the Lowe salary?
Steve, I agree with Tommy being the most expendable. I had heard that his mechanics would lead to future shoulder problems- a la Jake Peavy- and that seems to be where we are with him. He doesn’t finish his delivery, and his delivery naturally puts more strain on the shoulder. Shoulder problems at under 25 years of age seems like a HUGE red flag for a pitcher. Beachy and Minor look really smooth, and Delgado looks like an absolute stud. Teheran is kind of the unknown at this point and he is our highest rated prospect. This is a very exciting time to be a Braves fan.
I would love to see Chipper come back in a different role than everyday player, and he needs to take a reduced salary. I’ve gotten torn apart for saying that in the past, but it’s true. None of these lifetime achievement-award over the top salaries. Those don’t win championships. His contract needs to be reworked if he wants to come back. It’s just my opinion, not trying to force it on anyone.
#164, I forgot what a major contribution Lowe has made when the Braves really needed him. Maybe you could remind us all of how great he has done when we are short handed. I have trouble remembering his good games. He looks to me as a number 4 or 5 starter that is grossly overpaid. Yes, once in a while, he has a good game. And, you are also right that Braves need to look at who else to trade as NOBODY will take Lose, I mean Lowe, at his salary and skill level. If some team IS ignorant enough to take his contract, give him away ASAP!
As to Chipper, I’ll take him at 80% health-wise in 80% of the games for $14 mil; Braves seem like a better team with him in there. I don’t begrudge a career hall of famer Brave the money. I do however dislike the idea of $15 million to a guy who plays in 20% of the games and pitches well in half of those (meaning 10% of the games). If there is outrage over a contract, it should be Lowe’s, not Chipper’s. As I recall, Lowe signed with the Braves primarily because no other team would give him more than 3 years at around $12 a year. It was a bad decision then and it looks worse now. Just an opinion!!
Last point, Can’t remember the year but Chipper reworked his contract in the past so the Braves could pay some other players and be competitive despite the lousy uncaring ownership.