Show #160: A Rough End to a Good Week for the Braves

August 14, 2011

Show #160: A Rough End to a Good Week for the Braves

Bobby and the ’91 team. The Uggla hit streak. Our confidence in the team and another heated discussion about Heyward.

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197 Responses to “Show #160: A Rough End to a Good Week for the Braves”

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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Learned something new from the show this morning on the way to work….

NEVER drink coffee, drive, and hear the quote “Chipper hates black people” NO JOKE, I almost ran off the road laughing….classic Ham……you made my week!

Great show again, you guys were right, BIG week this week….

Think we should all give our “what were you doing during the 91 season” on here?
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:31 am
BTW, I noticed I was the first post…. is it just me or does it REALLY bother you that people seem like they sit around waiting for DOB to post so they can say “FIRST!” and like the first 5 post are “first.” Just thought I would put that out there.
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Steve Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Yeah, the “FIRST” thing is really funny. It’s not only rampant on DOB’s blog, but also on the other columnists’ blogs at the AJC.

I love the idea of everyone sharing their “what were you doing during the ’91 season” stories. Bring it!
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Leah Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:14 am
In ’91 I was in High School and the extent of my interest in baseball was directly related to the level of interest held by my current boyfriend.

Great show. I think Uggla will continue. He was robbed yesterday of a single and hit a sacrifice fly. I loved the streak, the Rev and my boys were really into it, but I’m kinda glad it’s over. Takes some pressure off. Really wanna see Mac get a hit and Linebrink get an out. Nervous about this week.

Go Braves!!!
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George Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Granted Born has a longer track record, and I’m happy to see him w/ the Braves…I don’t understand Steve’s greater adulation for him over Constanza when they both are bringing the same things to ATL so far…and one w/o spending any money.
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DAP Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
not caught up in uggla’s hit streak? how is that possible? i was at the game friday and the biggest buzz in the air was about the streak. i think i was more upset about the streak being over than i was about losing the game. over all i was pretty sad yesterday.

the streak was huge for the city, and i wish it could have continued through the homestand.
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DAP Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
another difference between mccann’s injury and the situation with heyward was the type of injury. namely, mccann’s injury is easy to aggrivate if you arent all the way better.

it was reported that heyward couldnt make his shoulder worse by playing.

big difference.
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DAP Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
this is a huge week for the braves, for sure. right now, it seems like a 3 team race for the wildcard, between the braves, the cardinals, and either the dbacks or giants. since we play both the giants and dbacks, this is probably the biggest week of games so far this season.
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DAP Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
the only thing worse than “FIRST!” posters are people who are offended by “FIRST!” posters.
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Kate Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 11:29 am
In ’91 I was four and not a fan of baseball.
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
The 1991 season was special but I really did not get a chance to follow it like I wanted to. I had been a Braves fan my entire life growing up in Atlanta (East Point) and when the Braves entered the post season. I was on a ship on my second tour in the Persian Gulf. Luckily for us we had AFRTS (The troops called it A-FARTS) and the entire post-season was on the radio every MORNING at about 2 to 3 AM. Yep, I had to stay up all night to listen to the World Series and I remember it as sort of euphoric and could not believe the Braves were in it. I never got to SEE one pitch live…just highlights weeks later. There was no internet or satellite T.V. I had this little radio with an “ear bud” that you guys mentioned earlier. (Wow, are we really that old?)

So to listen to the games I had to wake up in the middle of the night. You would think that if you put an antenna to the side of a steel naval ship that you would hear radio stations all over the world, but no. I had to go outside the “skin of the ship” to pick up reception. On Naval vessels, you were not allowed to go “out” at night. This was known as “Darken ship.” (If a enemy saw the hatch open they would know your location) But in our case it was more of a safety risk. In the middle of the ocean at night it is PITCH BLACK outside. So, I would find a nice cozy place on the flight deck and listen to the World Series. One night, I was outside, (not sure which WS game) and I saw some movement on the flight deck. I removed my ear bud and heard someone say “who is that! Get him!” so I scurried inside and went back to my rack… The next day one of the Chief’s approached me and asked what I was doing outside. Of course I acted like I had no idea what he was talking about and he told me that he was in the “tower” and saw the Navy SEALS doing some secret training ops. He told me that if I had been caught I would have been in a ton of trouble. I love the Braves!

The 1992 season for me was better though. We had pulled into port in New Jersey for ammo onload and was not allowed to leave the ship. So here we were, in America and I could not watch or hear game 7 of the NLCS. Soooooo, being the nifty Sailor that I was, I took an old T.V. and took about 10 clothes hangars and tied them together. I opened the “overboard discharge” pipe on the side of the ship and fed the hangars out of the side of the ship. (I can only imagine how “red neck” it must have looked from outside), anyway, I got to watch the game and see “The slide” which to me is my most memorable Braves moment to this day…..
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Steve Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
#5 – For two reasons. Bourn’s beens doing this consistently since ’08/’09. Constanza’s been doing it for 2 weeks. And, Bourn’s playing time has no impact on Heyward’s.

#7 – Great point about the type of injury.
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Curt Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Doc, that’s great stuff. Thanks for sharing. My dad was in the navy during Vietnam and told me a pretty crazy story about being on watch one night. He was on a big transport ship and was in the middle of the Pacific. At some point, a big wave hit and he was thrown off the back of the ship. He ended up being caught in a cargo net, which prevented him from falling into the water and never being seen again.
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Walker Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Great Show

I agree Steve with letting Heyward play against all the righties. I don’t know how he can get better if he doesn’t play.

These next 2 weeks are a chance for us to bury the Giants and Cardinals so we can organize and rest the last week in September. We need to be locked and loaded. No reason to lose in the NLDS this year.
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Walker Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Todays lineup

Bourn CF,
2. Prado 3B,
3. McCann C,
4. Uggla 2B,
5. Freeman 1B,
6. Heyward RF,
7. Gonzalez SS,
8. Constanza LF,
9. Hudson

Can we once have our entire lineup at the same time.
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Walker Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Chipper is out for a day or two with a sore knee. I don’t think he should ever comment on other people’s injuries when he is the most fragile player on the team.
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Leah Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
#11 has to be the best ABT post ever. That’s great stuff. Thanks for sharing and thanks for your service.
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john j Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
If you are the senior leader of the team, you are going to be asked about the team, the players and injuries. Should Chipper say “no comment”or, should that be saved for our wonderful politicians. 99% of the time, Chipper is pretty careful with what he says. Braves are a better team when he is out there at 80% or better. Can’t say that about you know who.
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john j Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Everyone is right on about this week. Everyone needs to show up and play like it’s the playoffs. Hope the fans act like it also. 5-2 for the week and Braves are in the driver’s seat. Play like Saturday and Sunday and we lose momentum. But we’ll still be ok as Lowe will surely save us in September and Heyward will have a break out month. I’m hoping we all but wrap it up THIS WEEK!!!!
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john j Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
One last thing, most of our relatives are in the Bay area and fans there feel strongly that both the Giants and D-backs are better than the Braves. I’ve got money on this week.
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Anonymous Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Another Blown Lead
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Anonymous Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Hudson is not on tonight but will likely be able to stay in until Fredi recognizes that when he has a couple more rough innings. Once again can’t put a team away with some timely hits.
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john j Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Runs are once again hard to come by for the Braves. Hard to figure not hitting for Hudson with two on and one out. Also can’t figure Heyward even playing; he does so well against lefties with a big curve ball. Can’t figure Freeman and Heyward back to back in the line up. It is going to be a long week with Bourn (6 LOB and an error; a big game player?) not able to do anything. Maybe it is time for Constanza to lead off; play the hot hand. This is frustrating. Oh, nice bunt from Hudson. Back to the small ball thing. Fredi is a loser; guess he is counting on Prado hitting a homer.
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Walker Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Yeah I thought for sure Hudson would be hit for right there. Down 3-2. Runners on corners with less than 2 outs and you sacrifice? But John J cmon lay off Bourn. A hitter cannot decide where the ball goes after he hits it. Both those balls were hit very sharply. And suggesting batting Bourn 8th is not a good idea.
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Walker Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Why did we just bunt with Bourn? Id rather see if he can hit a double. They can’t double him up. Oh well cmon Martin.
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Anne Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I am walkin’ around the Bay Area tomorrow sporting my Braves t-shirt for sure. Suck it, Wilson!!
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Leah Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Don’t you know Mac loves having a teammate he can jump up, bear hug and not knock over? Love me some Freeman!
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Steve Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Just got to the TV for Prado’s at bat and the rest of the fabulousness. What a freaking win! That’s a very nice 2 game swing, right there. Huge.
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Anonymous Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Fear the Beard my a**
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Adam Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
I know everyone is going to be talking about Freeman, but how about Constanza? How many other players in the MLB beat out that ground ball? And did you hear the crowd after he was called safe at first? Huge momentum builder right there. We don’t even get 1 run in the 9th without him leading off the inning.

He’s earned a starting position on this team.
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Wow……speechless
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@ Anne…… I love it
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@ Leah thank you!

@ Curt Wow! Your Dad is so lucky! If he was on a transport ship in Vietnam he was probably on a LST which are flat bottomed. Even if you overboard during the day you are probably lost at sea. At night?? Wow….. A few years ago a Sailor went to catch a football and went over during the daytime. We lost him. So sad…. These things happen often and the media never covers it.

GO FREAKIN BRAVES!
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
“un-Braves” related…. Congrats Jim Thome.
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Walker Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 2:27 am
Great Win. Win the next 3 and we bury them.

Yeah, congratulations to Jim Thome. However because of the steroid era, I am unfortunately suspicious.
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Curt Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Doc – yeah, I think he knows how crazy lucky he was. And me, for that matter, since that was before I was born or contemplated.

That win last night was fun to watch. I sensed it coming.

Thome always struck me as a clean guy. A throwback type of guy. Congrats to him.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Curt, I was the opposite…totally expected a big swing and miss by somebody. And can someone tell the too busy mother of three whats up with Thome?
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Nate Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Have you guys ever heard the story of Chipper and Thome in a brawl together in the minors? Thome had Chipper pinned against the net behind home plate, and through the net Chipper could see his parents sitting in the front row watching him as he got dominated by Thome. I forget where I saw/heard Chip tell that story. Probably a Spirts South Rain Delay or something.
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Nate Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Frigatedoc, thank you for your service and sharing your fan experience with the rest. Curt, that’s pretty crazy man. Your existence was saved by a cargo net.
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Eric Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 11:10 am
#38 – From Buster Olney earlier this year:

“My first brawl in professional ball was against Charlotte,” Jones recalled. “He and Manny [Ramirez] and those guys were in Charlotte. And we cleared the benches, and he and I came across each other in the melee, and the next thing I know I was pinned up against the backstop, with my face up against the screen. And I looked over, and my mom and dad are like three rows away from me, and they had the look of horror. It was one of those moments when you just kind of cry for help, because once he got his big paws on me I was done. … He was like, ‘Don’t move, Chip. I will squash the life out of you.’”

Through the years, Jones and Thome have become friends from across the field, when they played against each other in the World Series in 1995, during spring training when Thome was with the Indians in Winter Haven, Fla., and during Thome’s years with the Phillies.

“For a while we were the only guys who wore our uniforms with the socks showing,” Jones said. “Not a better guy on the planet.”
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Eric Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 11:18 am
#36 – If any slugger from the 90s was clean, I’d believe it was Thome. Big, strong dude. Maintained power throughout his career. No unusual spikes or dips. He’s like a really talented version of Adam Dunn.
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@ Nate, Thank you…it was an honor to serve our great country… I would not change a thing. Being able to hear the Braves on the radio like (at sea) that just added to the moment. Kind of old school.

Curt’s story about his Dad STILL blows my mind…. At sea, at night…you can’t even see your hand in front of your face. That is why you can see every star in the sky. Being on a cruise ship does not count in compairison. I am just glad that cargo net was there to save his Dad AND ultimately Curt!

@ Eric: THanks for sharing the story about CHipper and Thome….can’t imagine Thome even coming at me…..that dude is a monster. I saw on ESPN last night his first home run as a rookie and he was smaller but still big. Chipper looked like a little kids then. I LOVE what he said to Chipper…classic.
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Steve Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Frigatedoc and Curt – great stories, both of you. Thanks for sharing.

Because I still have a sense of objectivity about all this, I post this link:

http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/8/16/2366115/atlanta-braves-outfielder-jose-constanza-is-winning-the-war-of-trade
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Look at Stevie…all grown up. “Summer of George” love it…
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Nate Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
#43, I love what “leedawg” posted as the first comment: “Summer of George, Autumn of McCann, and the Fall of the Phillies.”
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Curse you leedawg!
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@ Steve…… I saw that on talking chop AND was going to post the link…but you beat me to it.

Again, I see where you are coming from with him and Heyward…..but right now Georgy rocks.

And to think we were all so mad when we didn’t get Beltran…..right now the Braves look like they did they best at the trade deadline AND we don’t have Mccouth, Schafer, OR Proctor! Life is good…..
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Anne Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I didn’t even have to leave the house to piss off a Giants fan. Turns out mom’s physical therapist likes baseball.
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ham Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
“but it’s time for everyone to come around on how important this kid is and how important he could be for the rest of the year.”

Looks like I don’t need to say “that means you too, Stevie” but it doesn’t hurt.
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Walker Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I would guess Thome is clean, However if you don’t get caught why admit wrongdoing. If that steroid list was destroyed like it was supposed to in 2003 we would be saying A-rod was clean as well and he would continue to say he did it all natural. So we will never know. Unfortunately everyone who played in the 1990′s has a cloud of suspicion. I will never assume somebody was clean.
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
#24, sorry, never suggested Bourn should swap batting order with Constanza. Point was that maybe Constanza has earned a spot at the top while he is hot. Could Bourn bat second? Or, Bourn first, the “kid” second?

Anne, #26, Braves shirt in SF is OK but don’t do it at Dodger stadium if you travel down south. Think twice about Oakland also; I know from experience but that was a NFL game with this dummy wearing a Broncos shirt. I’m sure the baseball fans have twice the IQ of the Raiders fans so it may be safe.
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Curt Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
I’m the first cargo net baby
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Anne Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
John J – yes, and helps that I’m in the east bay where they care a bit more about the A’s. I’m pretty good at ducking.
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Steve Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Look who’s #2: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6863150/six-teams-want-face-playoffs
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Walker Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Great article Steve. I kinda wish I hadn’t read it though. The writer scared the hell out of me when he was talking about Fredi Gonzalez.

“The playoffs scream out for creative managing, starting pitchers brought on in relief, ace pinch-hitters coming up early in a game when a high-leverage situation warrants it, closers used in nontraditional roles. Bruce Bochy’s outmanaging Ron Washington wasn’t the only reason the Giants beat the Rangers in the World Series last fall. But it did help. Braves fans better hope their team’s playoff life doesn’t come down to a managerial battle of wits.”
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Anne Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Just heard on the news that the Sinatra Estate wants in on the fate of the Dodgers.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Hello from Bub who’ll return when his life settles.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Oh dear…another blow to the Giants. Hate it for them but if the baseball gods deem it so then glad it’s happening in Atlanta. Poor injured pitcher…
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Constanza! So many things go wrong over the long season, it is nice to see a positive surprise that nobody expected. If his success lasts for another month or one more at bat, this is fun to watch.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
No idea Nate had to have surgery.
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
An interesting little nugget for those who like to bang on Alex Gonzalez…

Most Defensive Runs Saved
MLB players (last 2 seasons)
…………………Position
Brendan Ryan SS 41
Peter Bourjos CF 35<<
Austin Jackson CF 34
Brett Gardner LF 33
Alex Gonzalez SS 31
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Danny Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Glad we didn’t trade Delgado!
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ham Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
So I just checked in. Is Delgado as good as the box score?
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Somebody better put a ball on Ross’s ankles at his next plate appearance…

Let’s see him dance then…
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Come on Ross…hit your homer and make your way around the bases. Mercy. No need to gloat. I hope he gets plunked.
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Think Eric is pissed after his last outing????
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
@65

I don’t want them to hit him, Leah… just throw a ball at his ankles and watch him dance then…

I wouldn’t mind seeing a “face plant” as well…
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
If we’re winning by a few runs and no one’s on base I hope Kimbrel pegs him right in the kidney. That was completely classless. I still see him in teal blue and it makes me grouchy.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Yeah…take that Cody…
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Oh Marteeen…I so was celebrating.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Walk Chip to get to Gonzalez…Bochy is smart.
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Pure Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Why cant Alex just strike out?
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Yoda Yelling Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
WORTHLESS GONZALEZ IS
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
That 10th was handled very well. Freeman wanted to make up for yesterday. I missed the play. did he think his run meant something?
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David Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I know that this was sooooo 10th inning, but did y’all hear Chip or Joe say, when Alex Gonzalez was up, that he’s a hard man to double up? I guess that the other 14 times he’s grounded into a DP this year was sheer defensive luck.
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Braves had the game won so, hope this doesnt bite them in the butt.
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David Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
YES!!!! YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Wahoooooooooo!!!!!
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
I know he’s not himself lately but I luuuuuuuuv Martin Prado!
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Thanks to Prado. That was BIG
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Steve Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
HUUUGE win. It would have been quite a gut punch after Delgado’s stellar outing, Freeman getting picked off, Prado’s shoulda been game winner that Huff caught …

And the Phillies lose, too.
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Steve Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
#55 Yeah. That paragraph was all sorts of chilling.
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john j Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
#61, doesn’t DRS require a lot of subjective analysis by some 2000 “scouts” that assess the defensive plays often off of video? Not sure it is scientific or fine tuned yet. Don’t they assess the range, speed of ball, etc. subjectively? Objectivity includes your actual BA, how many times you hit into DPs, etc. We may not have anyone better than Gonzo yet but he would make a great #8 batter.
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Walker Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
PRADO!!!!

@75 they were talking about Constanza. And to bring positivity for Alex, he was outstanding defensively again tonight.
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@84

And, if Freeman doesn’t get picked off, the whole inning goes differently…
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
…Freeman looked safe.
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David Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
#86

On the super-slo-mo replay, it showed that Freeman’s hand was on DeRosa’s foot, and not the bag. Freeman definitely beat the throw, but his hand wasn’t on the bag. Looked like the right call.
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Leah Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
#87 every party has a pooper…slo mo’s not my strong suit. . I guess my selective baseball eyes missed that part.
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Steve Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Who’s getting greedy about the rest of the Giants series? (raises hand)
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Frigatedoc Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
So who KNEW that Alex Gonzalez would ground into the double play? Right now he is our ONLY hole in the lineup…. at least the pitcher can bunt
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Nate Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:41 am
#89, I’m right there with you, Steve, especially after Cody Ross’s little performance tonight. Act like you’ve been there, dude, seriously.
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Nate Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:41 am
*act like you’ve been there before, sorry.
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Curt Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Was at the Ted tonight. Smallish crowd. Don’t know what was announced, but it was probably 20k or thereabouts. It was a weird game because it was flying by. We moved twice and somehow found ourselves sitting in front of the most obnoxious SF fans twice. Which clearly these people had never stepped in foot in SF. Which really made them such twice as bad. Fair weather losers. So when Prado won the game I did a rather subdued Hulk Hogan neck crane hand over ear maneuver at them to mock their sudden silence. It was quite satisfying.

Vinnie said it was foul on the replay, but I swear that Bourn hit landed right in front of us and you could see the grass torn up where it had landed and it looked like it hit the line.

Great win, either way. And go to see Brooksy score the winning run against the Giants. He got a big cheer when he came up and even more so when he hit his double.
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Steve Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 9:08 am
#93 – There was a replay last night that showed a big divot just to the foul side of the foul line. It was damn close.

#91 – And, making it worse, he HAS been there. Last year, no less.
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Anne Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Front page above-the-fold headline in SF Chronicle: “How much worse can it get for these Giants?”
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Leah Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Aweeee…poor pitiful work champs.
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Steve Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
#95 – Love that.
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john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Opinions on the first and third base coaching? I wasn’t there so hard to pick up on what was going on at first yesterday.
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Curt Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
I don’t know if everyone has seen this. It’s the eulogy from Ernie Johnson’s funeral that was given by Ernie Johnson Jr. It’s really great. Funny and touching. I think I can speak for all the hosts that no guest has been nicer than Ernie Johnson Jr. He really was beyond reproach.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2011/08/17/ernie-johnson-jr-s-eulogy-from-tuesdays-funeral-service/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_braves_blog
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David Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
89 – yeah, me too. I think we’re going to win the series, and not just split it. That said, we’ve got to do better than 2 runs against a team consisting of two or three regulars in there, especially when we’ve got a completely healthy lineup going for us.
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Walker Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
These videos are hilarious.

Peter Moylan needs to do more of these.

http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?query=Braves+Bash%3A+The+Side+Session&c_id=atl
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Leah Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
#99 thanks for sharing Curt…next time attach a warning. Do not read at work. *sniff*
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Steve Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
More heartwarming stories. This is really great.

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/31352061
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Warning:

JJ is leaving his pitches up early.

Not trusting the knee yet?
105
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Those last few pitches of the first look like he might be starting to trust
106
Kate Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Wes Helms is a Brave again. He signed a minor league deal.
107
Anonymous Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
MIM, think your concern is warranted. JJ doesn’t fare well when getting behind in the count
108
john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
JJ may not last long.
109
john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
JJ has nothing.
110
john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
I think I counted 4 strikes that inning from JJ that weren’t successfully hit.
111
Leah Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
#103 That’s enough sweet baseball stories for the day! Cannot handle it.

What are the chances we come back and win this one?
112
john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Who is warming up in the pen?
113
john j Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
If they didn’t swing at the low ones, JJ is throwing mostly balls.
114
Curt Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Not the bounce back start I was looking for
115
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Well, let’s just say JJ “Linebrink-ed” it coming out of the box… (first game off the DL with no rehab games)

And Steve, take hope, Jason is in the game…
116
Walker Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
J-Hey definitely deserves a start tomorrow.
117
Leah Says:
August 17th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
JJ really just had one horrific inning right?
118
john j Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Was still winnable if not for Linebrink (our new Proctor?) and 2 for 12 RISP (which is pretty common this year). JJ will be better next game. Need a win today. Had SF on the ropes for the series after two games is like scoring most of our runs against Cubs on Friday and not winning the series. Heyward and McCann are going to have a good games today.
119
Steve Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
#106 – I hadn’t seen that. Hilarious. Didn’t Curt actually make that joke suggestion on the show last weekend?

Heading to the ballpark tonight.
120
Steve Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
#117 – He looked shaky in innings 1 and 4, but it was the 4th inning where the runs were scored.

#116 – And so it shall be.
121
Leah Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Steve, fun interviews planned? hmmmmmm? J-Hey needs to really show his stuff tonight. I hope he’s figuring some things out.
122
Anne Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
I LOVE the Braves organist and follow him on Twitter. He seems to get a ton of press…are live organists @ ballparks rarer than I think?
123
Leah Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Freddie is a BEAST!
124
David Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
I cannot wait for another year of around 20 GIDPs and a .235 batting average from our shortstop. Oh, and strong defense.
125
Leah Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I wonder if Stevie’s booing Georgie here in the bottom of the 8th.
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David Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
The feeling of having Ramon Ramirez pitching in a 1-0 game must be the Giants’ fan equivalent of having Scott Proctor pitch that situation
127
David Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
DOMINANT
128
Anne Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
“Freak,” whatevs. Will report on SF Chronicle headlines in the a.m.
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john j Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Awesome! Now, a series win against Ariz. 5-2 week? Let’s take care of business THIS week end!
130
Steve Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Leah – no interview tonight. Just watching the game with my son.

And yes, I booed Georgie lustily when he singled. Got many strange looks in the stands.
131
Steve Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Great game and terrific crowd. Lots of chanting. The place went bonkers on Chipper’s homer and double. What a series win!
132
Walker Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@126 Ramirez is actually a pretty good pitcher.
133
Frigatedoc Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
And just think……WE WERE ALL ready to dump Minor for Beltran 20 days ago…..
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Walker Says:
August 18th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
@133 Not me. I knew how injury prone Beltran was and to give up 6 years of cheap service of a young lefty was not worth the two months of Beltran.
135
Frigatedoc Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Well if not Beltran….someone else……. I know I was….(hand raised)
136
Nate Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Minor, Delgado, Vizcaino: 14 IP, 1 R. Thanks, Frank.
137
Nate Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:54 am
Freeman #1 on SC top 10 plays
138
Leah Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Nate, which play, catch in the crowd or one of his fabulous digs at first? That man put on a show!
139
David Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 8:00 am
132 — I said that cause lately he’s been bad. 6 runs (all earned) in 5.1 IP for August. OK, so maybe not Proctor-bad, but Linebrink-bad (as bad as Linebrink’s been his last couple outings)?

133 — definitely. At the time, I was ready to trade Minor for Beltran. Very, very glad we didn’t do that. Can’t have enough pitching.
140
David Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Check out ESPN.com and who’s on the front page! Triple Trouble!
141
Nate Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 8:25 am
138, It was his over the tarp, through the fans catch.
142
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:25 am
#136 – Nate, I’m stealing it for Twitter.
143
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Check this out from @fauxfrankwren http://t.co/sQHvq1s. Freaking love it.
144
Frigatedoc Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Wow folks…….Can you believe that the top two Rookie of the year canidates will be from the Braves?

Good (side) topic for this weeks or a future show….. Kimbrel or Freeman for ROY?
145
Anne Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am
SF Chronicle defending Lincecum. “One bad pitch” “Lack of run support” “There was nothing else he could’ve done.”
146
DAP Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am
SF Chronicle defending Lincecum. “One bad pitch” “Lack of run support” “There was nothing else he could’ve done.”

they are right. Licecum pitched great, but Minor was something else last night, and O’ventbrel did their thing. Our pitching overpowered them. Good, close win.
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Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:06 am
#145, 146: Agreed. They are absolutely right. We were just better. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
148
Anne Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Braves shirt getting a thorough scolding today, each vet tech one by one. La-hoo za-hers.
149
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
With the recent posts about Minor, how about we revive an earlier discussion:

Order the pitchers (as in who would you trade first – and the “I wouldn’t trade any of them for anything” doesn’t wash…):

(the list, in no particular order)

Beachy
Minor
Delgado
Terhan
Vizcaino
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Mark in Memphis Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Assuming that everyone comes back “healthy”, we have five starting spots next season with more than five pitchers:

Lowe
Hudson
Hanson
JJ
Minor
Beachy
Medlen
Delgado
Terehan (sorry about the misspelling in 149)

Nine pitchers for five spots. I think we can assume trading Lowe gets us nothing and I think we can assume that no one wants him to start for ATL next season. SO, with that in mind, make it eight pitchers for five spots.

If you can obtain a piece that the Braves need (i.e. shortstop with offense AND defense, corner outfielder (IF you Chipper retires AND IF you want to move Prado to 3B), a third baseman (Chip retires, keep Prado in LF), etc.)…

Who do you trade?
151
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Great article about Heyward at Fangraphs. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/wally-pipping-jason-heyward/
152
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Very interesting article about Logan Morrison being sent down by the Marlins. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/15450956/marlins-brass-makes-lomo-look-bad-themselves-even-worse
153
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
The national pub ramps up: http://t.co/vECohFw
154
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@150

Lowe – little trade value

Hudson – minimal trade value

Hanson – iffy-ness physically reduces trades value (have to include too much w/ him to get something)

JJ – (first half record gives him HIGH value, possibly the highest he may ever have, plus, being a Boras client, we have NO chance to re-sign him w/o him testing free agency in two years)

Minor – getting better with every start, has proven “he can pitch up here”, HIGH trade value (can step into most any ML team rotation, is “cheap” for the next three years (I think) and still under team control for the three years after that – makes him very attractive to other teams, but also makes him VERY attractive to ATL with their current budget style)

Beachy – shown “he can pitch up here” for the entire season. Con: flyball pitcher, not the best thing in ATL home park…

Medlen – won’t know what he is till he pitches again – minimal trade value

Delgado – HIGH trade value following his last start, still don’t know what you have since he was pulled at the beginning of his “third time” through the line-up – first batter he faced for the third time hit the homer (which I agree with pulling him, don’t want him to have a chance to lose the game after pitching a no-hitter for six innings in his SECOND start – so much better than his first), trade value may NEVER be higher…

Terehan – High trade value based on reputation/potential, looked pretty good for a rookie in his ML starts, 2011 ML stats not the best (5.19 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, .288 BAA), might need another year in AAA

I left Vizcaino out of the list because they moved him to the bullpen to limit his innings. Not sure he will be “ready” to contend for a spot next year.

Personally, I could consider trading JJ before the “Boras effect” sets in.

I would consider trading Beachy before Minor (hate to trade a lefty), just because of the flyballs; however, John Smoltz was the same kind of pitcher…

Too early to trade Terehan, too “dangerous” to trade Delgado (after six no hit innings – granted it was against the Giants (lack of) offense)
155
Frigatedoc Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
I would say that is it hard to determine what a trade value would be from just a couple of starts…..My thinking is to pitch at the MLB level they had to impress someone somewhere……even Proctor.

It would be safe to say that Lowe is the “low” point of the Braves rotation……
Ha ha…I am SO creative I crack myself up! Steve feel free you “Tweet” that. LOL
156
Walker Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
I would say that the Braves definitely need to find some way to get rid of Lowe next year even if it means paying 13 million of the 15 mil he’s owed. I also wouldn’t be surprised if JJ was traded if Chipper retires for a big time left fielder.
157
Leah Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
#101…freaking awesome.
158
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@156

So your objective is to get a left fielder? No thought of a third baseman there? Just wondering what influenced you in that direction?

Understand, I am in no way making a value judgement on your choice, I just wonder what went into it (i.e. in your opinion: Prado has shown to be better defensively at third than in the outfield, you think it will be easier to find a “slugging” left fielder than a third baseman, etc.)
159
Mark in Memphis Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@155

“hard to determine what a trade value would be from just a couple of starts”

Is that “determination” for the Braves or other teams?

As for the evaluation, prior to the trade deadline, Terehan and Delgado were both considered “un-touchable”… So someone is making value judgements and I see the good performance in their starts can only improve that “value”…
160
john j Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
The ball was dropped when Braves didn’t agree to eat some of Lowe’s salary and let some team take him for free. There may be another chance if he would only pitch a couple of good games in a row. I would be happy if they only had to eat half of next year’s contract. Every dollar saved would be better spent on the new stars. The problem is if he does pitch a couple of good games, Braves and fans won’t want to give him away.
161
john j Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Boras can be had IF the player really want to stay where he is at and loves his teammates. Would this be the case for JJ?

CarGo signed with Rockies based on promise that he, TuLo and Ubaldo would be the core for years to come. Boras can now show his other clients that ownership lies so wait to be a free agent which is HIS basic strategy.
162
Walker Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
It would definitely be easier to find a left fielder. The talent level around the majors is historically low at 3rd base. And yes, Prado does look lost sometimes in left field.
163
Anne Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
These 4:00-ish starts on the west coast are pretty great!
164
Steve Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
#160 – I disagree that it was an unmitigated mistake not to get rid of Lowe. It wasn’t that long ago that all the sudden JJ and Hanson went on the DL. And it was really only this week that Minor “turned the corner” and, of course, the Delgado performance was only a few days ago.

Regarding who to trade… I don’t know. I like them all. Probably Hanson if only because I trust his health less and less.
165
Walker Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:09 am
CHIPPERS COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6879359/chipper-jones-says-definitely-playing-atlanta-braves-2012

What are we going to do with our excess pitching and money when there will be no holes to fill on the roster? All our positions are set for 2012. Our pitching staff is set. No Kawakami or McLouth. Wren doesn’t have to do anything this winter. At least he can concentrate on giving Lowe away.
166
Nate Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:32 am
#165, maybe the excess money goes towards eating the Lowe salary?

Steve, I agree with Tommy being the most expendable. I had heard that his mechanics would lead to future shoulder problems- a la Jake Peavy- and that seems to be where we are with him. He doesn’t finish his delivery, and his delivery naturally puts more strain on the shoulder. Shoulder problems at under 25 years of age seems like a HUGE red flag for a pitcher. Beachy and Minor look really smooth, and Delgado looks like an absolute stud. Teheran is kind of the unknown at this point and he is our highest rated prospect. This is a very exciting time to be a Braves fan.

I would love to see Chipper come back in a different role than everyday player, and he needs to take a reduced salary. I’ve gotten torn apart for saying that in the past, but it’s true. None of these lifetime achievement-award over the top salaries. Those don’t win championships. His contract needs to be reworked if he wants to come back. It’s just my opinion, not trying to force it on anyone.
167
Nate Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:49 am
And my gosh do I want to buy into Chipper’s opinion about himself. It would be so unbelievable if it’s accurate.
168
Walker Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 2:09 am
It would be smart to wait and trade either JJ or Hanson after the 2012 season since we would have a hole centerfield and Chipper would finally be done. Also, who knows how good Pastornicky will be?
169
Nate Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 9:35 am
We might need 8 SP to get through next year, too. The injury bug has been less of an issue for the staff this year because of our depth.
170
Frigatedoc Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Should we be worried that Uggla has struck out 8 times in his last 5 games?
171
Walker Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
I have mixed emotions on Chipper coming back but I must admit I love the nostalgia he brings. The last connection to the 1990′s.
172
Walker Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@170 Yeah he may be close to hitting 6th and Chipper hitting 4th.
173
john j Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
#164, I forgot what a major contribution Lowe has made when the Braves really needed him. Maybe you could remind us all of how great he has done when we are short handed. I have trouble remembering his good games. He looks to me as a number 4 or 5 starter that is grossly overpaid. Yes, once in a while, he has a good game. And, you are also right that Braves need to look at who else to trade as NOBODY will take Lose, I mean Lowe, at his salary and skill level. If some team IS ignorant enough to take his contract, give him away ASAP!

As to Chipper, I’ll take him at 80% health-wise in 80% of the games for $14 mil; Braves seem like a better team with him in there. I don’t begrudge a career hall of famer Brave the money. I do however dislike the idea of $15 million to a guy who plays in 20% of the games and pitches well in half of those (meaning 10% of the games). If there is outrage over a contract, it should be Lowe’s, not Chipper’s. As I recall, Lowe signed with the Braves primarily because no other team would give him more than 3 years at around $12 a year. It was a bad decision then and it looks worse now. Just an opinion!!

Last point, Can’t remember the year but Chipper reworked his contract in the past so the Braves could pay some other players and be competitive despite the lousy uncaring ownership.
174
Leah Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Why do we run on Parra? Glad we’re up by 5.
175
Steve Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
#174 – It was the right move. Up 6 – 1. Step on their throats as Chipper said earlier this week. Not to mention, Prado was crazy safe.
176
Leah Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
hmmmm….I love Prado but crazy safe? Not so sure. 2 questions…
1) Is there a Mrs. Uggle? Just curious.
2) Howsabout ABT meeting up for a playoff game? Count me in!
177
Steve Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
#176. No idea if Uggla is married. Have not heard one way or another.

I’m all for an ABT meet up for the first round. Love it.
178
David Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
177 — come on Steve, don’t play it safe — ABT meet up for the WORLD SERIES!

Btw — I’ve heard y’all refer to the “Heyward interview” in which he was aloof, rude, etc. Is that on the website somewhere? Or was it an interview for print? Just curious.
179
Kate Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I believe there is a Mrs. Uggla and a little Uggla. I think I heard that somewhere but I’m not 100% sure.
180
Leah Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
First round sounds awesome. I’m there…been saving my pennies.
181
Adam Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:32 am
Since I was at the game last night I’m taking almost all of the credit for the win. Beachy and Uggla get a tiny bit, but I was definitely the biggest contributor.

Also I’ve heard a lot about how the crowds at Turner field haven’t been that great, but it was bumpin tonight. It felt like I was giving standing ovations every single inning. Great game.
182
Nate Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:00 am
Bourn first on Web Gems.
183
Nate Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:35 am
What was Bourn’s time was from 1st to home on the Prado 2B? The man can fly. If he wasn’t a CF he could be an incredible slot receiver. Bourn rounding second going home looked as effortless as Harry Douglas outrunning the entire Jacksonville secondary.
184
Pure Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:46 am
Show #161: The Braves Pull Away in the Wild Card. Chipper back in 2012. Bourn’s awesome defense. Kimbrel’s dominance. Uggla’s home runs. And finally — The World Series Hope Meter!
185
Leah Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
NEW SHOW!!! Right after we sweep the snakes!
186
john j Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:56 am
Saturday was one of the best all around games the Braves played this year. Timely hitting, power, pitching, defense, running; we saw it all. Let’s wrap up the week 6-1!
187
Leah Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
J-Hey looks terrible.
188
Kate Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 4:11 pm
A 6-1 week just like everyone predicted.
189
Frigatedoc Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Maybe it will be an “upbeat” show tonight?
190
Pure Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I think “upbeat” is an understatement. Steve will be over the moon.
191
john j Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 4:25 pm
#176: Uggla has spoken about his two children living with their Mother. Married?
192
Steve Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 5:41 pm
#178 – The Heyward interview we refer to is in Show #124. Here’s the link: http://www.atlantabaseballtalk.com/show-124-the-braves-nl-east-lead-dwindles/. It’s embedded in the show.

#181 – And I was there today and it was rockin’ for the big at bats and the 2 strike counts. And the heat was pretty withering, but the fans still got up for it.

#184 – It’s funny you say that, because we are actually bringing back the Post Season Hope Meter tonight. But if we extend the WC lead much more, I’ve been thinking we WILL have to change it to the WS Hope Meter (I’m kidding, sort of, in a non-jinxing anything kind of way).
193
will Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Ive told this story before, but since you went down memory lane, in early summer of 1991 I was at a Saturday afternoon game in the outfield and we sat about ten rows from a fraternity from Florida State. There were about 20-25 guys and their dates. They sat there and got hammered and you guessed it – did the Chop all afternoon. And that moan that goes with it. They began as the only people in the stadium doing it at the time. And you guessed it – it caught on like a virus. So me and my dad witnessed the birth of the Chop. Long live the Chop.

Curt living with Martin and Bill…are they making a movie about that?
194
ham Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Actually, will – that was me, not Curtis. Of all the people who can’t tell us apart. . .
195
Will Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Ooops…i was cooking while listening and i must have spaced out… Curt was in Athens he said….das right.
196
Will Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:27 pm
It was yesterday too…ages ago… Where am I?
197
Will Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:28 pm
The braves are pretty impressive right now, ill say that. A healthy Chipper and this team is for reals.

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