Hey guys, good show. Do you think we add Teheran and Delgado to the bullpen mix for Septmeber, and would they be eligible for the postseason? I could see those 2 really helping out the team by pitching the 6th or 7th and letting us rest O’Ventbrel for the postseason.
Nate, depending on how it shakes out, those guys might be getting starts so the starters can rest and the postseason rotation can be set early on. I imagine they, Pastornicky, and a couple of others will be up.
Great show guys, as always. Steve — during the Postseason Hope Meter segment, you said exactly what I was thinking: that y’all will need to change it to NLCS Hope Meter or something like that. At this point, there’s no way that we lose a 8.5-game lead with the Giants playing the way they have, and the Cardinals not doing too hot either. Knock on wood, but no way.
My postseason rotation really depends on how Hanson rebounds. I don’t think that we can count him out of playing altogether, but it may not be a bad idea to skip him in the first round when we’re playing the Brewers. Cause if we advance to the NLCS, he could go in game 1 with a fresh, rested arm, and that could make a big difference. I would go:
Hudson’s a slam-dunk #1. JJ had only one start against Milwaukee this year, but it was a great one. Lowe could be a #2, but even if he does have another great (or even decent) September, he’d be a strong #3. However, Beachy has dominated the Brewers this year in two starts (12 IP, 16 K, 1 earned run), so perhaps he’d be better suited for going #2 or #3.
We have a winning record against the Brewers this season (5-3), but that can be very deceptive. They were 2 games under .500 when they came to Atlanta and we swept them in May, and since that series, they’ve gone 68-36. That’s phenomenal.
But let’s face it — they’re bound for a first-round bounce from the playoffs. I don’t think they keep up this pace through September and into the postseason. Probably the Braves’ homer in me coming out, but I think that they’ll come back to earth before too long.
The most pressurized games are 1,3 and 5. So I only would trust jj or huddy in those games. I know Lowe has experience but I have a feeling he could implode and Beachy is a rookie so game 2 would be the best spot for him. Just in case we are down 2-0 you don’t want a rookie on the mound.
Walker – great point about the pressure in certain games. But, doesn’t game 2 become highly pressurized if you lose game 1? My only point being is I don’t know that you can build the rotation in that way.
The stats I meant to have last night during the show. Here are road stats for our four post-season starters (which I think we all agree are Huddy, JJ, Lowe, and Beachy).
Hudson – 5-4 with a 4.04 era
JJ – 6-3 with a 2.61
Lowe – 5-9 with a 4.47 (although he has six more starts than either of the above)
Beachy – 4-1 with a 3.24
Unless we move mountains, let’s face it – we’re opening the playoffs on the road against the Brewers. I think you go Hudson, JJ (on the road) then Lowe (just in case it is an elimination game), then Beachy (or maybe even Hudson again). In a do or die game, I think I trust Lowe over Beachy. Not by a lot, but by enough.
personally, i bump beachy up a slot in the postseason rotation. let him pitch game 3, at least.
honestly, its hard to go wrong with the postseason rotation. the guys we have are all solid, and all capable of putting up a shutout on any given night. id like to have it set up for hudson to pitch game 1. outside of that, im ok with letting it fall where it will.
this braves team may produce some very memorable post season games, by the way. im gonna expect a few extra innings along the way.
Game 2 is highly pressurized but it isn’t an elimination game. I just don’t feel comfortable with Lowe or Beachy in a win or go home situation. Without Hanson he is our only swing and miss pitcher and could really work well in game two. Lets say the Brewers lose game 1. They will come out game two impatient and aggressive. Beach can frustate them. JJ is perfect for the 1st home game. And my feelings on Lowe is that I dont trust him.
When we’re up or down 2-1 to the Brewers, I want JJ and Huddy pitching for the series win or to save us from elimination. I wouldn’t feel very good about a 2-1 series deficit and a rookie or Lowe as our only hope of staying alive. The problem I see with my postseason rotation is if we drop game 1, I want JJ pitching instead of the other 2, so maybe you swap Beachy and JJ in my rotation. The problem there is if you’re down in the series 2-1, it all falls on the shoulders of the rookie in his first postseason appearance. I’m glad I don’t have to make these decisions, and I am terrified that Fredi has to make these decisions.
Lot of baseball left to see which starters hold up during September. I’m betting though that Lowe is going to have to earn a start against Brewers with more than a couple of quality starts between now and then. Lowe hasn’t shown much big game success this year and getting your pitchers of the future in these games builds them for more success. ON the other hand, if Lowe is hot, he starts at least one in first series. It also makes him more tradeable in off season.
M in M, no acknowledgement that it might be important to get your most important offensive weapon back in a game the day after he said he’s found his swing and there’s at least 2 days of rest to follow? I get the giving him rest thing, but after an 0 – 15, you’ve got to get him back in there after that kind of declaration.
Hey all. Buried my mom today. My first evening of rest in months, and I’m listening to the podcast as a way of returning to some sense of normalcy. It’s working, too, I have to say. Good to hear your voices. I checked the standings just now; it’s nice to see we’re at least closer to Philly than the next WC contenders are to us. Missed you guys. Starting school tomorrow, so I’ll be sparse, but be back soon.
(In lieu of flooding the comments with condolences, the family requests silent birdie fingers be lifted North toward Citi Field for 30 seconds. Go Braves.)
Just for the record, Hardball Talk is reporting that Tommy Hanson could be pitching again in only a few weeks and will likely be part of the starting postseason rotation. Get on your knees and thank God, people.
Told u guys before…… As much as I hate it….. I think Hanson is done. Just like Manning….he may be out for a while too. His doctors should be canned for waiting until May todo surgery…..OR did Manning not want to say anything so he could get paid? Sorry know it’s not the Braves.
#53, And, to add to that, Peyton is a creature of habit, has his guys he’s comfortable with, etc. Had he been able to see the Colts staff in the offseason he’d be ready now. He was set back tremendously by the lock out
Matt Diaz is returning to the Braves, as the Pirates announced they’ve traded him to Atlanta for a player to be named later or cash considerations. Diaz fits the Braves’ desire to add a right-handed hitting bench bat, and of course they had him in the organization from 2006-10 before non-tendering him last winter.
Diaz, 33, is hitting .259/.303/.324 in 231 plate appearances for the Pirates this year while playing mostly right field. He was signed to a two-year, $4.25MM deal in December, but hasn’t shown the expected power production against left-handed pitchers. The Pirates’ press release does not say anything about the Braves receiving money, so GM Neal Huntington did well in unloading the $2MM owed to Diaz next year.
Steve……done for this year. I hate to say it, but i think he is. Even if he does come back, will he bounce back? DAP…..I am with you.
One reason Kimbrel is so good is because he truly believes he can get everyone out. With a gimp arm, Hanson probably no confidence in himself or his “stuff”
I always liked Diaz. He will be welcomed back I am sure by the fans and especially the club house. I wish he was coming from the Nats though so he can tell us how to beat those guys. Question is…who will go to AAA or does he fit in with the Sept call ups?
I don’t believe the lock out thing for a minute…..Did they not do a physical on him when he signed the contract in July?
#66 – It’s a great point. And certainly explains Diaz in the lineup tonight against Lannan. The one (potential) flaw in the theory is where does that leave Georgie? In your platoon scenario, Georgie only plays when Chipper has a night off and Prado’s spot in Left is vacant.
66 and 68 — y’all read my mind. I was just thinking that this trade could set up a RF platoon with Diaz and Heyward, and Constanza becomes a 4th outfielder and starts when Chipper sits and Prado plays 3rd. Perhaps that will help Heyward to focus more for the remainder of the season, and Diaz remembers how to hit now that he’s back home.
I love Georgie and the spark he’s given this club, but his fun ride has really slowed down. Last 10 games: .185/.241/.185 with 2 stolen bases, 2 walks, and 5 strikeouts.
Worried, I am. Where are the bats? Last 10 games: Mac, .167; Gonzo, .152; Constanza, .185; Prado, .205. This happens but usually someone is hot and helps carry the load. Not a good time for the starters to struggle either. Hope it blows over quickly. Who will be the spark? Lowe needs to start his September tonight.
Great to get Jack Wilson for a month but lets get one thing straight. Alex Gonzales is far and above a better player than Wilson. Wilson has no power nor does he hit for average. He has no offensive value and shouldn’t be anybody’s starting SS.
#80, it might mean see ya Julio Lugo for the rest of this year, but I don’t know how much of an upgrade he is over Lugo. I got excited when Buster Olney mentioned we might be pursuing Jamey Carroll for Lugo’s bench spot, but that obviously did not happen. I think your Braves’ SS for 2012 is Alex Gonzalez. Hopefully we can just leave Alex in the 8th spot in the order from here on out and just hope he can clear the pitcher’s spot in the order every once in a while.
#82, I’ve been wanting Fredi to move Chipper closer to Bourn for a while. I was thinking they should batting Chip second since he is our best hitter and by far our best situational hitter, but with Mac struggling I might just give him the 3 spot back. Prado and Mac have looked pretty bad at the plate for a while now. Sorry, Leah. I still love Martin.
Went to the TweetUp tonight at the stadium. Pretty cool to hear from the Braves organist, Medlen and Jim Powell.
The crowd was absolutely dead tonight but then the Venters drama and Kimbrel’s entrance livened things up. We were sitting in the right field bleachers (a part of the stadium I almost never sit in) and our section was really, really mean to Ankiel in right. I felt bad for the guy. He probably doesn’t care BUT he has an absolute huge homerun in Braves post season history. I mean, c’mon people.
Does Wednesday mean Derek Lowe doesn’t suck anymore? I have conflicting feelings about my opinion on him now…
As for last night, Huddy was still dominant. Venters needs a rest or something, though. He was completely on edge and off his game.
94- I’m willing to believe Lowe is good again until he isn’t. We know he has it in him, so it’s not the craziest thing in the world. Regarding Venters, I don’t think that rest is the issue. He just loses the strike zone every once in a while, but seems to be able to buckle down just in time.
A two-week stint on the DL has reportedly done little to help Jair Jurrjens’ sore right knee. [And] now he’s planning to travel to Vail, Colo., to get a second opinion from knee specialist Dr. Richard Steadman. Jurrjens was scheduled to pitch Sunday against the Dodgers, but that’s doubtful now. The Braves held back Randall Delgado in Triple-A Gwinnett so he can pitch in that spot. They’ll still have Julio Teheran available to pitch the second game of the doubleheader in New York on Sept. 8. Jurrjens said his concern now is not finishing the regular season, but being ready for the postseason. This same knee kept him out of the postseason a year ago.
Did y’all see this from Bowman’s blog today? Spectacular:
As I was leaving Turner Field around midnight Tuesday, I was told Martin Prado was still in the clubhouse taking batting practice while his mother was across the hall watching television in the room reserved for family members of players and coaches.
When I casually asked bullpen coach Eddie Perez, who threw the BP pitches, why Prado had chosen to keep his mother there so late, he said, “She’s the one who told him to stay in there until he got things right.”
The release of Lugo really goes to show how much of this game is a business. I thought they would at least keep him until the end of the year. I bet he was excited to see some postseason ball on the bench and cheer on his teammates.
6 straight men reach base. I hope Fredi improves his in-game managing in the next month. Otherwise he might be good for at least one L in October, maybe more considering the offenses we’ll be facing and his inability to “get the hook”.
first of all, I missed last nights game, though I kept up with it on my phone and read tweets and postgame comments. It seems like fredi managed the game poorly by leaving vizcaino in for too long and not arguing the call at 2nd (uggla on the dp).
Overall, I haven’t been very impressed with Fredi this year, but I think in his defense, the decisions with pitching weren’t that bad. For one, it seems like he’s more concerned with getting a) o’ventbrel, who have proven to be excellent, rested for the postseason, and b) opportunities for other relievers to prove what they can do and how valuable they can be for the postseason. In doing this, he’s basically conceding the divisional race, which I don’t like to see, but realistically, we’re not catching the phillies, even if we do have 6 games remaining with them.
its a gamble to turn the game over to younger, more inexperienced relievers. If it works, it can build their confidence which in turn is useful for the playoffs. If it doesn’t work, we lose one game while still keeping a large wild card lead, and the next game he can go back to the studs in the bullpen. Its not a no-lose situation, but it’s not the end of our season either.
First of all, I think everyone and their mom realizes losing 1 game during the regular season in baseball is 9 times out of 10 never a big deal, guys. Second of all, 6 straight guys reached base. The pitching coach never went to the mound. Mac went out there once. I thought it was fairly obvious that Vizcaino didn’t have his best stuff. His fastballs weren’t hitting the desired location, and they were all relatively flat. He was hanging most of his breaking balls. His “stuff” usually looks better than it did last night. It’s fine to use these games to see what you have in all of these young guys, but I have a feeling Fredi was still trying to win that game.
Most fans’ complaints about Fredi’s managing are built off of watching a season’s worth of questionable moves. His bullpen managing in Florida was terrible. They lost so many games because Fredi refused to take a guy out when he was struggling. Fortunately for us, the fans, we have much better pitching in Atlanta, so we run into those situations far less frequently than they did in Florida with Fredi managing.
Fredi Gonzales management. So how long with this guy be around? The Braves were loyal to Bobby because of his track record. How long is Fredie’s leash? My guess is, a longer one than most oranizations.
I was at the game today and it really showed how uncreative Fredi is as a manager. Runners at 1st and 3rd 1 out with Bourn at 1st. And he doesn’t steal with Bourn to avoid DP. Ridiculous.
On another note, I know I’m in the minority but I’m glad Georgia lost to Boise. I’m really tired of SEC schools acting elitist as if they have automatic rights to the National Championship. The whole College Football system is messed up and those kids are seriously exploited. I’ll stick to the NFL.
The SEC is hands down the best conference. A two loss SEC team should play in the National Championship. I’m a Tennessee fan. Part of the reason we would be lucky to go 7-5 this year is because of our schedule. In a 6 game stretch we will play UGA, LSU, Alabama, South Cackalacky, and Arkansas. I would love to watch Boise, Oregon, or Oklahoma play that schedule. It’s just a harder conference. The SEC has also never lost a BCS NC game. UT, UF twice, LSU twice, Alabama, and Auburn twice- if u count ’04 when they went 13-0 and somehow got shafted from the NC game for a 1 loss Oklahoma team. None of those NC games were really that close, either.
#149, #150: It’s like a Bobby Sunday lineup, but even worse. This was one of the things that Fredi had really done right this year – not taking too many starters out at one time. And then there’s today…
Such an improbable comeback. And what a great way to end the week and head off to Philly. I completely gave up on the game, went to a movie with the kids and could not believe what I saw on my BB when I checked it. And a very profitable day as well with losses by STL, SF and Philly.
By the way – no show tonight. We’ll record and post it tomorrow night. Have a happy Labor Day.
Good team but with starter problems, team will have to hit much better then they currently are; particularly. Mac and Prado will have to do better than they have done since the all star break or Braves aren’t going far. Chipper seems to bring a fire to the team that no one else can bring. Who else is going to step up in October? No fun watching everyone’s average fall daily; are they tired or just conceding until October?