Show #166: The Braves Leave No Room for Error
Sizing up the Braves chances of getting to the post season. Should Fredi stay? And is there a better batting order?
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September 29th, 2011 at 12:15 am
All I want for Christmas is the entire coaching staff of the Atlanta Braves to be FIRED for making Atlanta a laughing stock of the MLB!!!
Send Fredi’s ass packin’ right now for a Christmas in September special. NOW!
Of course that won’t happen and Fredi G will be here for the next two seasons if not longer.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Why we didn’t make the playoffs:
1. Venters and Kimbrel dominate but fall apart due to overwork
2. Uggla had terrible 1st half, excellent start of 2nd half and mediocre last month a and a half
3. McCann had excellent 1st half, but terrible terrible 2nd half
4. Heyward completely surprises with horrible season.
5. Prado has a less than mediocre season
6. Lowe sucked and McLouth continued to suck
7. Proctor- need I say more
8. Gonzalez has a great year with the glove but completely lost at plate and just when he heats up he gets hurt.
9.Linebrink started off okay but later looked like Proctor
10. Fred Gonzalez makes stupid decisions and there are so many.
11. Larry Parrish obviously can’t reach hitters.
12. JJ and Tommy are MIA in the 2nd half
How the hell did we win 89 games?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:37 am
So when does the end-of-season podcast hit the web? I wasn’t on here last season so i’m a newbee.
September 29th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Sunday. Should be a love-fest
September 29th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Is firefredi.com up and running yet?
September 29th, 2011 at 8:54 am
So tired of condolences. Not even checking Facebook…EVER AGAIN!
September 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Kate – it actually is
http://firefredi.com/
September 29th, 2011 at 8:59 am
the quotes from Fredi are just . . . . there aren’t words. He took ZERO accountability for how things ended up. Disgusting. I know that everyone worked their butts off, and left it on the field, blah blah blah. BUT not even one word of accountability. I feel bad for everyone on the team except for him. So angry right now.
At least the Red Sox pooped the bed as well. There isn’t a whole lot of baseball talk going on right now. The train in was as quiet as I have seen it in a long time.
Right now, I am not looking forward to next season. I know in time that I will and all that, but I can’t imagine another day with F-Gone (if only) at the helm.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:34 am
If you watched the postgame comments it was even worse. He had such a too bad, tough luck tone. And his we’ll get ‘em next year was perhaps the weakest and most unconvincing we’ll get ‘em next year I have ever heard. You finished the season 3-9 against your division. Something tells me the teams we play the most know how easily we’ll roll over if they just play hard. The Phillies clinched weeks ago, yet they always make the pitcher work every at bat of every game. They are better than the Braves and they play much harder as a team. As do the other 3 teams that beat us out for the postseason. The Braves showed no heart this last month, and I think it all starts with the coaching staff. I have no doubt that this coaching staff is back next year, and we will see similar results.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I’m actually ok with last night’s loss…don’t hate me. We NEVER would have won tonight’s game with a taxed bullpen and dejected offense after a long game and a late flight. I’d rather we just limped away.
So thankful for the Red Sox right now.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:41 am
We added so many good pieces in the offseason, too. Meanwhile, Joe Maddon’s team is so depleted that people predict they take major steps back in 2011. Instead, they beat out a team with twice their payroll and make the postseason. They beat out the Red Sox after the Sox acquired the Rays 2nd best hitter in the offseason. That would be like us beating out the Phillies after they acquired Brian McCann or Chipper. A good manager can definitely have a huge effect on a group of players. Joe Maddon might be just a tad smarter than old F-Gone, though.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Associated Press:”The Braves were 10 1/2 games of St. Louis before play August 26. They were still up by 8 1/2 games on the morning of Sept. 6. Instead of popping champagne for a second straight trip to the playoffs, they became the FIRST TEAM IN MAJOR-LEAGUE HISTORY TO SQUANDER A LEAD OF AT LEAST EIGHT GAMES FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT IN SEPTEMBER.” The caps were mine.
SO, They are first at something. I think they are also first at having the worst managing/coaching staff. So, we win twice!
September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
To me- the worst part of all of this is that there is no game today…
September 29th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
At least my fantasy team didn’t choke away a huge September lead. Not having any Braves on my team really paid off.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Bless your heart Matt. I don’t want to watch another game til February.
September 29th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Fredi needs to go, but we all know that will not happen….
I think Chipper would make a good player/manager…
September 29th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
“It was one more reminder of why the Cards are still alive and the Braves are done. Some folks look at the bright glare of a playoff hunt as if it were a scalding heat lamp (see: Atlanta Braves). Others bask in the warmth of the intense pressure and act as though it’s some soothing morning sun. That would be the Cardinals.” – Bryan Burwell, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
September 29th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
In a statment today Fredi Gonzalez said they are bringing back the entire coaching staff…
September 29th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
From AJC:
Atlanta ranked 26th in the major leagues in batting average (.243) and on-base percentage (.308), after finishing fourth in the majors in OBP (.339) in 2010 under former hitting coach Terry Pendleton, who now serves as first-base coach and infield instructor.
The Braves hit .205 with 31 runs while going 3-9 in their last 12 games, and had a .195 average with runners in scoring position for the month of September.
“I’m sure that L.P. [Parrish] will sit back and evaluate some things, maybe do some things different, like we all will,” Gonzalez said.
SMH SMH
September 29th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I hope the Cardinals enjoy this moment because this time next week the Phillies would have swept them. The Phillies are definitely going to the world series. Their at bats were amazing and their pitchers were hitting the corners at will in extras.
September 29th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
443 – Ham, I love the tag F-Gone! Yep, he’ll serve his entire contract with the Braves and maybe even a little more.
My problem with Fredi wasn’t so much that he wasted the bullpen this season. With so many close games, I can forgive (some of) that. But there were times when he ran Jonny out there when he didn’t need to.
My biggest problem with him is that he’s not all a tactical and strategic manager. Doesn’t play the matchups well, sits players who are hot, doesn’t know when to hit and run, picks the wrong time to squeeze (safety or suicide), and his post game comments leave one to wonder whether the man was even near the ballpark!
He needs to go. firefredi.com, damnit!!!
I said that last years team was better and I really mean that from a team standpoint (not on paper) that the 2010 Braves were a character team and found way to win game instead of losing them. Not sure what happened with this year’s team but something tells me that they either don’t like to play for Fredi or that something is wrong in the clubhouse. I can sure see why the 2010 Braves played their hearts out for Bobby and perhaps that might be the reason the team just didn’t look like they went all out in every game down the stretch. Last night’s game with their backs against the wall they did play hard — too little too late and we should have never been in the position. Fredi needs to learn how to inspire and/or motivate his players. He’s terrible and we are stuck with him.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
This was a hard season but it really irks me that Buster Onley is putting rumors out there that Heyward might be traded. If the Braves trade Heyward at 22 years old and after 2 seasons, I’d lose it. I can imagine it now. We trade him and next year he’s in MVP talks.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
It’s been mentioned several times over the last few months, but, to me the key to success starts with new ownership. All Liberty Media wants is for the Braves to send the parent company a certain amount of profit every year. A new owner that cares about winning will put an end to this mediocrity crap. Of course, there could be a problem finding anyone who wants the team.
New owners will mean that someone as ignorant as Fredi, will be gone. By the way what happened to Schuerholz? Does he not care anymore? Maybe his concern is collecting his paycheck and Liberty Media bonus.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
The Olney quote certainly makes it sound like there is more to the Heyward saga than we are all privy to, sort of like the situation with our former SS, as Olney also mentions in the quote…
September 29th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
My guess is, as I said earlier today, that EVERYONE except Freeman will be open for discussion and trade (that would include McCann, though not likely, and only if enough was offered). This is the MLB and the Braves don’t have a competitive budget nor can they afford to keep all the youthful talent. They want youth and cheap journeyman players for the bench. Chipper is likely their last lifer.
Heyward needs winter ball or something to show Braves he can hit.