September 25, 2011

Show #166: The Braves Leave No Room for Error

Sizing up the Braves chances of getting to the post season.  Should Fredi stay?  And is there a better batting order?



490 Responses to “Show #166: The Braves Leave No Room for Error”

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  1. 451
    George Says:

    Tragic, Ain’t it?

    Please don’t ever end the post-season hope meter anymore.

    See y’all next year.

  2. 452
    Curt Says:

    George, I hear you buddy. Unlike Fredi, I will take full responsibility for the massive goocher we put on the team.

  3. 453
    john j Says:

    As long as the Yankees or Phillies don’t win it all, I will find some joy.

  4. 454
    Walker Says:

    @450 I disagree. McCann, Bourn, Kimbrel, Venters, Heyward, Uggla, Tehran are also untouchables. It just wouldn’t make sense to move these guys if you are looking to compete next year. I know we fell flat on our face but I’ve been hearing too much language about blowing the team up. Usually that talk is for veteran teams. We have one of the top 5 talented rosters in Baseball with most of our young players 3 or 4 years away from free agency. The problem is Fredi and Parrish. Yeah the Braves are on a budget but that’s even more reason to keep their cost controlled players. 30 million from Chipper and Lowe come off the books after next year. That money will be reinvested. I don’t see how they keep Bourn though.

  5. 455
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    I am a bit behind on my show listening, so forgive me.

  6. 456
    Mark in Memphis Says:


    Do yourself a favor. Stop paying attention to what comes out of Fredi’s mouth in the press…

    It does not make one tenth of one games difference in the standings. It most likely doesn’t reflect anything about what he is really feeling. It is “press talk”, nothing more. Judging Fredi by that crap is useless.

  7. 457
    Nate Says:

    The young players will get better. The main things that need to improve, imo, are the starters going longer in games, and the hitters putting together better ABs. The Phillies just put on a clinic these last 3 games on how to make a pitcher work. It seemed like they got a ton of 2 strike hits and seemingly worked the pitcher every AB. They look like they have a team approach when it comes to hitting, which goes against LP’s style of coaching.

  8. 458
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    “putting this season” directly on Fredi is like blaming a marksman for bad shooting when he has a really good gun but has been provided sub-standard, inconsistent ammo.

    If you ascribe to the “win a 1/3, lose a 1/3, what counts is what you do with the other third” theory, we went 35-19 in those games, mostly due to strong starting pitching and a strong back end of the bullpen. It obscured our lack luster offense (which was there all year).

    Until our starting pitching got hurt, then the replacements pitched well, but they had shorter outings, taxing our bullpen and exposing our poorly performing offense.

    Wren didn’t do enough to put a capable major league offense on the field – the fact that Nate McLouth was our starting center fielder for most of that time is unforgivable. When he did bat well, he was batting ninth.

    Lowe was an anchor much of the second half as well as Heyward. Playing the two of them in the second half was ludicrous. Both of them should have been sent to the minors till they got straightened out.

    Prado wasn’t himself after the injury. Is this really going to be our starting left fielder for the future?

    JJ was a first half bright spot, as was Freddie after a few weeks. Huddy did well pretty much all year.

  9. 459
    Bubdylan Says:

    “Braves will bring back their entire coaching staff, manager Fredi Gonzalez said.”

    Adios, Bravos.

  10. 460
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Our young pitchers could learn from JJ. He went from trying to strike everyone out to pitching a bit more to contact. Which resulted in fewer pitches per inning and going longer into games. The 5 2/3 inning starts killed out bullpen.

  11. 461
    Nate Says:

    My Offseason Questions:
    How do you move Derek Lowe? Will the Braves eat most of that salary to clear a spot in the rotation for one of the young guys or Medlen?

    How do you improve the durability of the pitching staff?

    How do you improve the situational hitting?

    Will they offer Bourn an extension?

    Will they upgrade at SS?

    Will they add another arm to the bullpen or just give Martinez, Vizcaino, and Medlen bigger roles?

    The other positions seem pretty set, unless they move Heyward, which seems about as likely as firing Fredi.

    I have been reminding myself all day that this is a very young, inexperienced team. They need time. It was also Fredi’s first year with this group. Hopefully he now has a better understanding of what he has and how to best use it.

  12. 462
    Nate Says:

    Lowe + Hanson + Rookies= Bullpen death.

  13. 463
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    The offense scored 2 or fewer runs in 31 of 92 (33.7%) games in the first half, going 7 – 24 (22.58% wins).

    The offense scored 2 or fewer runs in 23 of 70 (32.86%) games in the second half, going 5 – 18 (21.74% wins).

    The offense couldn’t score runs in the first half and they couldn’t score runs in the second half.

    The pitching allowed 2 or fewer runs in 36 or 92 (39.13%) games in the first half, going 34 – 2 (94.44% wins).

    The pitching allowed 2 or fewer runs in 14 or 70 (20%) second half games, going 13 – 1 (92.86% wins).

    The pitching won at about the same rate of allowing 2 for fewer runs, but just couldn’t do it as often in the second half.

    Lack of offense exposed.

  14. 464
    Walker Says:

    @ Mark in Memphis

    Yes the players didn’t perform well, but Fredi made many mistakes that I KNOW affected the outcome of games. He is the leader so he should be blamed. It is what it is. I wonder if Parrish even stressed putting together good at bats instead of taking strike 1 fastball down the middle then swinging at a ball in the dirt.

  15. 465
    Anne Says:

    Am loving @bravesorganist’s retweets about HIM being traded next year. Among other scenaries, “for Brian Wilson and a beard to be grown later.”

  16. 466
    ham Says:

    Guess which quote the following team is about “a perception held by some within the organization that this team — despite four wildly successful months — operated in a vacuum of clubhouse leadership. This, in turn, cultivated a climate of a lack of accountability, over which the manager presided with a curious sense of detachment,”

    I’ll give you a clue: Rumors are that this team may announce today that they are parting ways with their manager.

    I’ll give you another clue: don’t get your hopes up, Braves fans.

    I’ll give you a final clue: I hate Fredi.

  17. 467
    Steve Says:

    Welcome to the best parts of your offseason: funny tweets about our organist!

    Anne – I agree 100% with you. It’s damn funny stuff. It’s just a sad state of affairs that it’s September 30 and it’s all we’ve got.

  18. 468
    Steve Says:

    I have no idea if any of this is true or not, but it’s uncomfortable/fascinating all the same:–dont-worry-the-internet-has-found-your-wallet

  19. 469
    Steve Says:

    Parrish it out. Just announced.

  20. 470
    Nate Says:

    That had to happen. Crazy that it happened a day after Fredi said everyone would be back.

  21. 471
    Jo-Bu Says:

    470 – Well, that’s why you cannot believe ANYTHING Fredi says. How many times during the season did he say he was going to do something in the pre-game, then do the complete opposite. I hope they can Roger McDowell as well, He doesn’t seem to know when it’s time to visit the mound — especially if your a rookie pitcher with just a handful of games under your belt.

    I look for more changes but the one change we all want will not happen.

  22. 472
    Walker Says:

    Finally a decision that makes sense. Glad somebody is being held accountable, now I feel better. Parrish was terrible.

  23. 473
    Walker Says:

    I disagree with firing McDowell. There is just no reason to do that at all. Offensive issues are why we aren’t in the playoffs.

  24. 474
    Walker Says:

    Frank Wren said he will try to trade Lowe. If not he will go to bullpen. I’m loving the news today.

  25. 475
    Jo-Bu Says:

    Glad to hear that D-Lowe will either be traded or to the ‘pen. He’s going to the ‘pen, he’s done, and I think this is the Braves way of saying, ok, you wanna stay (and I know he’s under contract through next year), go to the ‘pen.

    It’s a kind of KK thing. Nobody wants him and he’s done. It’s sure going to bust his ego. He’ll probably start drinking and drag racing on P’Tree Street again. Maybe he doesn’t get off this time.

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