Show #166: The Braves Leave No Room for Error
Sizing up the Braves chances of getting to the post season. Should Fredi stay? And is there a better batting order?
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September 25th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
I’m bringing some positivity. I actually think the Braves do belong in the playoffs because I am a loyal fan and would like to see my team win the world series. The biggest mistakes made before this year were definitely on the coaching staff. We hurriedly hired Fredi and regrettably fired TP and hired Larry Parrish. For all you TP haters out there, the Braves have only 3 games left and have only scored 635 runs all year. This will be their worst output since 1994 which was shortened. Be careful what you wish for. Even with all this I will still root for my Braves because if they end up with a better record than the Cardinals they DO deserve a playoff spot.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Walker – if they make it in, what kind of shot do you give the Bravos in the first round? I’m not trying to make any kind of point here, just want to know your thinking.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:45 am
The weird thing about the playoffs is that it gives off a kind of fresh start feeling. And of course the cliche “Anything can happen” idea gives me hope. Don’t laugh but If they make it I would give them a 60 % shot at getting to the NLCS. There is history of clubs struggling in September and clicking in October. Besides all that I selfishly want that high of seeing my team in the playoffs. After 162 games there is no sport where teams earn their playoff spot more than baseball. Making the playoffs is a real accomplishment and you’ll never know when your team will make it again. Who knows, the next time the Braves make the playoffs may be 2028.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 am
We’re fans. Freaking out and being frustrated are what we do best. But if we get in the playoffs, I’ll happily forget September. I think we’re one good win away from completely having a different outlook for October.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:23 am
The Heyward situation plus the way the bullpen has been handled all year are my main concerns with Fredi. What is his beef with Heyward? Even when his ABs improve he still bats behind Alex Gonzalez and Jack Wilson. I was under the impression that this guy was a meaningful part of our future. I think Fredi is in way over his head. The Braves and Twins both have this model of continuation in management and coaching. For both clubs the model has produced nothing but first round exits from the playoffs if they make it. I guess that’s good. And yes, I realize both those teams won a WS 15-20 years ago.
The game has changed in the last 20 years. The Braves need to do the same.
As a fan I hope we win all 3. I guess that issue needed to be addressed this week? But in the role of a rational thinking human I would bet we miss the playoffs.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:28 am
Ham, your comment about your brain giving you the double bird is pure gold. I think we’ve all had that moment once or twice.
September 26th, 2011 at 8:15 am
Walker – not sure what your comment means, but I hope you don’t think that we’re not real fans.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I agree with most, however, I do have confidence in Venters & Kimbrel. If we somehow get the miraculous charge to go to playoffs, they could turn some of this around…..I don’t know about going all the way. Fredi has totally mismanged this team. Much more so than I believe Mark Richt has mismanaged UGA. I’d like to see Jim Fregosi, but I don’t think it would happen.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:02 am
No excuse for poor situational at-bats.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:23 am
curt, if we win 1 game and the cardinals lose two games, we clinch, no playoff needed. i hope you are right and that happens.
i agree if it comes to a playoff, we dont have a good chance.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:40 am
It’s all Curt’s fault
September 26th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
#11 – Finally someone’s making sense!
September 26th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
freddi had good teams in florida that he didnt do much with? yeah right. they finished ahead of the braves in both 2009 and 2008. in 2009, they finished second to the phillies. and the team improved its W/L record every single year he was there, each year with terrible pitching staffs.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@7
I don’t question your fanhood. We are all loyal fans.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
DAP – butchering the facts aside for the moment, what do you think about Fredi as a manager and what he’s done this first year?
September 26th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Guess Florida fired Fredi for no reason.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
One can still be a fan and recognize that the Cardinals were 10 1/2 games out on Aug 26. And, it is NOT primarily a pitching/injury problem; if you score 3 or less runs in most of your games, you lose most of your games. It isn’t anti-Braves to recognize that they suck right now but, yes, they could start hitting again any day, week, month, or season. I hope they win 3 but I am only willing to bet a quarter on it. A lot of frustration goes with the realization that not one player out of 25+ has been able to step up. What’s his name, Parrish? should be proud of how he has helped turn a bunch of pretty good hitters into a team that can’t buy a timely hit.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
steve, butchering the facts? those are pretty basic numbers. those marlins teams were not all that good, and they won 84 and 87 games the final two full years under fredi gonzalez. including finishing 2nd to the eventual NL champion phillies.
that post wasnt meant to build fredi up, or say that he has done a great job this season with the braves. just saying that he did well with bad teams in florida, while you guys were saying he did badly with good teams. it just isnt true.
both in 2008 and 2009, the marlins pitching gave up nearly as many runs as the offense scored. thats really bad pitching, guys.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
john j “Guess Florida fired Fredi for no reason”
no good reason. everyone involved with baseball knows that.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
and steve, i wrote a long piece about what i think of fredi, but lost it. ill try to sum up… he spent a good chunk of the season trying to figure out this team. in atlanta, we havent had a new manager in a long time, so we dont really know what thats like. he made some good moves and bad moves with the lineup, and alot of strategic mishaps, especially in the early part of the season.
fredi deserves to stay, but parrish doesnt. i never thought pendleton should have lost his job, and im a person who always supported pendleton’s position on the team. the braves were consistently a very good offensive team during his entire time as hitting coach, and this year, it has all dried up.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
john j “And, it is NOT primarily a pitching/injury problem”
depends on how you look at it, right? venters and kimbrel have blown 4 saves in the last couple of weeks. we couldve clinched by now.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
#18 – to clarify, my butchering comment was in reference to Hammy, not you.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
#22 gotcha.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Wait, what? Which facts did I butcher (this week)?
September 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
ham … butcher …. heh…. cuz ham’s a meat …. and butchering is …. heh…
September 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
If the Braves do not make the playoffs AND the way the Falcons are playing….it is going to be a long winter……
September 26th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
At least there’s still the Georgia Bulldogs.
Pffffffffffffffffffffftttttt.
September 26th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Like Ham the butcher bringing Alice the meat
September 26th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
The Braves play a team with 99 wins, the Cards play a team with 104 losses.
September 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
I love this quote by Delgado. I like this kid.
“I have never pitched against the Phillies, but I know they are a good team,” he said after the Braves lost 3-0 to the Washington Nationals on Sunday. “But I’m going to go as long as I can and keep the ball down. I will try to focus, concentrate and not lose control.”
September 26th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
We actually have a lead. Feels good.
September 26th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Cmon Braves lets get some more runs
September 26th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
DAP: I appreciate you trying to sway folk’s opinions but I stand by what I said about it not being “primarily…. pitching” that has lost a 10 1/2 game lead. A few runs here and there and we would also have clinched by now. Look up the word “primarily”; I did not rule out that pitching played a roll. Overall, considering the injuries, the pitching has not been bad. The bullpen for every team loses some games. On the other hand, the hitting has been terrible. The Braves have scored 3 runs or less in 15 games since Aug 26 and may very well do it again 3 more times. And, Fredi and most of his staff suck; you are welcome to your opinion. I’ll keep mine.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Why do you leave Diaz in to face the righty? He had a good AB, but Jason Heyward has a better chance of tying the game with one swing.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
W T triple F!!! This is killing me! We had Lee. Uggghhh. I am just going to start watching the Astros games and assume that they must win.
C’MON GUYS!
September 26th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Venters has now given up runs in 3 of his last 4 outings. This sucks.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
GO ASTROS!! Your’re my only hope.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
When Fredi was fired in Florida, his bench coach and hitting coach were also fired with him. Maybe, just maybe, Fredi has trouble hiring a competent staff, managing the bench, the pitching staff and hitting. Other than that, he might grow into his postion.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
I may be unrealistic but I won’t be surprised if Parrish if gone after this year.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
1 for 10 with RISP. boo.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
HFD&$(*$#&(*HJU#(*$&*(@@#HD#*$&@(*#HJ@H(*FDH#@*
Can’t believe I am still getting angry like this. At a loss as a fan.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Activate Parrish for the final two games; he knows how it should be done.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
This month has been like April 2010.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
16 games in a month with 3 runs or less?
September 26th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
His name . . . . is Wilton Lopez.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Unfrtunate but can’t be surprised. The lineup needs to be shook up tomorrow.
Bourn
Heyward
Chipper
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Gonzo
Prado
September 26th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Bobby Valentine is enjoying this collapse
September 26th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
I hope Chipper is playing tomorrow.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
37, “you’re our only hope, Obi Wan Kenobi”. Maybe the Braves should bring light sabers instead of bats. May the force be with them.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
First Alderan and now Atlanta. Sorry, I’ve been watching the Blu Ray Star Wars.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Am I foolish to think that the Astros Bullpen holds on to this lead?
September 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
walker – i fear you might be. It seems to be unraveling in Houston
September 26th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
At this point guys, if they get in, do we really want this team to represent?
September 26th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
jfc – how did pujols just steal third? c’mon astros – we need you.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
and there goes the lead
we are going to be even when we wake up in the morning, folks. count on it.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Murphy’s Law is in full effect this month
September 26th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
This is the worst groundhog day of all time
September 26th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Cardinals tied it up. Good. Good.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
When I posted #58, the previous refresh had failed to update. That is why it was lame. That, plus I’m lame.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Am I the only one with a sick part of himself pulling for the Cardinals?
September 26th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Brewers have the same number of wins at home as the Astros have wins of any kind.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Lets hope the Astros squeak out a run.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Houston hanging tough.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
I like the strange Star Wars turn the board has taken tonight. A little brevity in the midst of the platter of poo poo.
The crowd was soooooooooooo into it tonight. Cheering on two strike counts the whole night. It really had a playoffs feel tonight. And an all too familiar playoff-like result.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
we got a little rally going in houston. 1st and 3rd, no outs.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Cmon Schafer
September 26th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I mean Sanchez
September 26th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
ASTROS WIN! ASTROS WIN! ASTROS WIN!
September 26th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Bub – why the rooting for the Cards? B/c the Braves don’t deserve it? Or to create chaos so that something new replaces it? Or, none of the above?
September 26th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Astros just won.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Thank you Astros.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Stevie, because I want the misery to end.
But also because the sick part of me is… sick.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Speaking of illness, think I’ll go find myself a Cardinals message board somewhere.
*evil laughter*
September 26th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
The Braves have another day to get their **** together.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Wow….we COULD clinch tomorrow after all of this?
September 26th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Fredi Gonzalez on Cliff Lee: “He’s pretty good. He’s better than pretty good. He’s darn good.”
English 101 Lesson: The Varying Degrees of Adjectives, taught by Fredi Gonzalez:
Pretty < Darn
September 26th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Yeah, if the Astros do our bidding for us, I guess. How lame is this ending?!
Looks like the ‘stros walked it off tonight with a win over STL.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
So IF we win tomorrow….worst thing we can do is tie?
September 27th, 2011 at 12:24 am
I am taking so little gratification in sitting around hoping the Astros win. What a pathetic way to get to the post season. Hey Braves, how about doing it yourself. Man up.
September 27th, 2011 at 5:49 am
Curt –
That hurts.
But we have seen pictures of you from highschool…
Mullett-boy!!
Were gonna do it just to get back at you….
September 27th, 2011 at 6:31 am
Here’s hoping
September 27th, 2011 at 8:28 am
OK, two games left, one game lead in the WC. I’ve got a weird feeling we’re going to win today, sort of the same feeling I had when DLowe started game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. Umm, so have we got Ortiz in the lineup?
September 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am
john j “I stand by what I said about it not being “primarily…. pitching” that has lost a 10 1/2 game lead.”
i cant say youre wrong, man. stand on.
September 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I desparately want the Braves to get in because of a win TONIGHT. This is the last moment of the season to take back some of the control and show they have something left. I’m not interested in getting in solely because of beating the collection of middle relievers on Wednesday.
Of course, the somewhat ridiculous thing about that last paragraph is that I don’t think they have a win left in them. Losing that lead last night + a clearly hobbled Chipper feels like the final nail. And I don’t think the Cards lose the final two in Houston.
September 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@84 – Don’t forget who is taking the mound for us tonight. Make sure you factor that into the saddest equation ever.
September 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Watched Moneyball last night. Watching a movie about baseball while your team plays such an important game is not recommended. The last thing I want is to have a tie breaker in St. Louis. That would be worse than embarrassing. Something is broken with this team. Post season hope meter is still at a zero but I still will watch. Every pitch. And get rip roaring mad when they lose.
September 27th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
And Stevie (@84) that is a bold assumption that we could beat a Pu-Pu platter of Phillies pitchers if it came down to that. I fear that our Poo-Poo platter of a lineup would struggle in A League of Their Own. Double Entendre INTENDED! ZING!
September 27th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Against Oswalt there is no reason why Prado should hit 2nd in the lineup tonight. Jason needs to be at the top. This left right thing isn’t working right now so I say stack up the left handed hitters.
September 27th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Darth Vader: “Luke, I am your father.” I’ll be as surprised as Luke was if we clinch tonight. But who knows, Luke, I mean Lowe might have one left in him. After all, he was seen backing up to collect his last check and he is feeling guilty about making $1.67 mil per win; one more win will cut it to $1.5 mil per win which is much more reasonable.
September 27th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Don’t look now, but, Bourn is .271 BA and only .314 OBP since coming over. Fredi and his pal, Parrish have converted another good hitter to fit their 3 runs or less offense.
September 27th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
It’s all because Glenn Hubbard is gone……
September 27th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
And…so it goes. Uncle.
September 27th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
@90
In all seriousness, that is not a coincidence. I’m campaigning hard to get Parrish fired and TP re hired.
September 27th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Parrish is a mole sent to destroy our hitters.
September 27th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Bullpen, better warm up. NOW.
September 27th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
And . . . we’re . . . off . . .
Just turned on the game, and it’s over. Kill me.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I must say what I have said all season. Wren made a terrible decsion on the long contract to Lowe. He should have been traded early this year even if the Braves had to eat most of the contract. He is a cancer.
Of course, it doesn’t really matter since the Braves haven’t hit for weeks.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
The Braves are likely to make the top 10 all time list of Sept. chokes.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
With the entire season on the line, it will be interesting to see what Fredi does to manufacture a run or two.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I’m not sure if I’m more mad at Lowe, or myself for actually expecting a different result tonight
September 27th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Needless to say, I am a 10 on the pissed meter
September 27th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Curt, I’m with you. I allowed myself belief in Lowe. This just blows.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
#90, thought the same thing during last night’s game.
#100, ditto.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
One more and I am done for the night. I should not have listened to my Ray Charles album today. The songs keep going through my head…………..
Bourn to lose.
It’s crying time .
Busted.
Georgia on my mind.
Cry.
Let’s go get stoned.
What’d I say?
Busted.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I listened to “Busted” twice.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Did Ray Charles ever sing “Meet me in St. Louie, Louie”?
September 27th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
“Let’s Go Get Stoned” is such a sweet tune. I just bought a Ray Charles collection and heard that song for the first time this year. The background ladies make that song.
The Braves suck.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
We are still winning the battle of who can suck less
September 27th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Yay. Here’s to getting swept into the playoffs by our arch rivals at home.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Even more fun is watching the Astros blow a 5 run lead
September 27th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
#108 and #109 are great and awful.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Have they given up?
September 27th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Can’t remember the last time I was this upset with the team. It would be different if it were 7 -5 or 7-6.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
With apologies to the twelve steppers among us (which means I’m apologizing to myself…)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSNPZptCjw
September 27th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Marteeeeeeen!!!!!
…
…
…
whatever.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
wuuuuuuuuuunnnn
seeeeventteeeeeeee
threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…..
(still one of the best memories of the year)
September 27th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
If we don’t make the playoffs I’m blaming Greg Norton.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Humiliating.
Degrading.
Shameful.
Pathetic.
Disgusting.
Sickening.
Revolting.
Nauseating.
Wretched.
Dismal.
Reprehensible.
What an absolute nightmare of an ending to a promising season. Can’t believe we added Freeman, Bourn, and Uggla to last year’s good team, put three rookies in running for ROY, and ended with this trash. A real lead off man, a real clean up hitter, and a real closer, three huge missing pieces from the Braves of late. And this is how it ends. No words. Well, a few words (see above), but they don’t really cover it.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
(Oops, didn’t add a closer, we had Wagner.)
September 27th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Getting stoned seems like a good idea right now to ease the pain.
September 27th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
So, if the Cards lose tonight…..then the braves and cards both lose tomorrow. Does the Braves have a champagne celebration?
September 27th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Shamepagne?
September 27th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@121 It would be embarrassingly awkward.
September 27th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Respect to the Astros for playing their little hearts out. Respect.
September 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
The Braves are the epitome of what it is to be an Atlanta sports fan. How did the Dream do?
September 27th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Well… it’s actually, really slipping away now, isn’t it?
September 27th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
A positive is that the Braves can’t back into the playoffs. They actually have to earn their way with a win. Hudson is pitching and Fredi BETTER give a pep talk and JUGGLE the lineup.
September 28th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Dream won. On to the finals
September 28th, 2011 at 1:29 am
I told my friend I was thinking about going to the game tomorrow night(tonight). He said, “Let me save you a few dollars.” And then he kicked me in the gut.
September 28th, 2011 at 1:32 am
If any Braves fans are looking to fill their offseason with something besides football and EPL(kudos to those who know what this is), then I strongly recommend Sons of Anarchy. Just got started on it over the Summer. I’ve almost caught up. It’s really good.
September 28th, 2011 at 3:00 am
As ol’ Hawk Harrelson might say: This season iiiis OVA!
HOCKEY! Gwinnett Gladiators opening night Friday, October 21st vs. Greenville.
September 28th, 2011 at 4:28 am
Pastornicky just got called up for tomorrow’s game. nice time for a debut
September 28th, 2011 at 8:03 am
If the Braves and Cardinals both lose will we be tied? Cause that’s fear #1 for me. Fear #2 is that they’d both win. I want nuthin to do with an elimination game.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:25 am
fear #1 and fear #2 are the same thing. Either way we’d have to play one game against the Cardinals, winner gets the wild card spot. And I really don’t feel like we can win ANYTHING right now.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:38 am
It’s times like these that I’m glad the Braves aren’t nationally popular. All ESPN is talking about is the Boston collapse. They lost a 9 game lead starting on September 2. ESPN even went so far as to make a song about their failure.
We lost an 8.5 game lead starting on September 5…
September 28th, 2011 at 8:44 am
#117 – Definitely.
Bub – it really does seem impossible, with ALL THE UPGRADES the team made that we may not make the playoffs and we’ll definitely not have as many wins as last year. Unreal.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:07 am
For those who have been saying ALL YEAR Derek Lowe will turn it around in September, this month he is 0-5 with an 8.75 ERA. I think we can throw away last September’s stats. He sucks.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Braves kept hoping Lowe could pitch a good game or two so they can get something for him. Earlier in the year they could have traded him if they would have eaten about a third to half of next year’s contract. Now, Braves will eat it all as he should never pitch for the Braves again. Take the hit, Release him TODAY and a year from now they’ll have $15 mil to work with. Also, that will make him the scapegoat for Fredi. But how does Lowe take the blame for the pathetic hitting?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Smoltz a cheater? Leo just went on my poop list…..
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbjSA
September 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
139 – The day the story came out, Smoltzy just happened to be live on MLBN, they confronted him and John said something to the effect that: Ah, you know, that’s just Leo having some fun — I’ve never juiced a ball.
September 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
John J, he can’t take the blame for no offense
September 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
I will continue to be a homer and a blind fan and pull a Joe Namath. I guarantee a Braves win tonight 5-1. Hudson goes 7 innings. J hey gets a big hit and McCann hits a big HR.
September 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Prediction…….Bobby Cox in the dugout tonight…..
September 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Even though I will be watching tonight’s game with a barf bag on my head, I am struck with an odd sense of optimism for tonight’s game. (Cue a Met’s-Glavinian first inning bed pooper . . . .)
I just can’t bring myself to believe that tonight could be the last day of baseball for us this year.
Having said that, I don’t really love tonight’s lineup. Maybe because it is made up of 2011 Braves from top to bottom. (DON’T QUESTION MY FANHOOD!)
I am out of sorts.
September 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Only big hit Heyward is getting will be of the pinch hit variety. Diaz starting in right
September 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Why is Diaz starting against a righty?
September 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Because Fredi isn’t good at his job?
September 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
I ain’t raisin’ one finger of optimism for this sorry situation. If they want to surprise me and pull through, bully for them. Otherwise, Roll Tide, etc.
September 28th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I don’t think God listens to prayers about sports. So, guess we just cross our fingers. Maybe we have 1 or 2 games left. Hudson can be good at times and McCann squinted pretty good last night so, maybe he will be joined by others in seeing the ball. Even with a Braves win and a Cardinal loss, we have now been made keenly aware of some serious flaws with this team’s players/management. Plenty to keep everyone busy in the off-season.
September 28th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Playoffs or not, I am hoping that I have seen Lowe pitching in a Braves uniform for the LAST TIME!
September 28th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
#134 not in my mind. We tie for WC in a loss is way more embarrassing.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Here we go….
September 28th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
That was me.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Any reason to be (extra) nervous that Ross is not catching Huddy.
I am sort of freaking out.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Bourn looks determined…
He is showing a “let’s go get’em boys” attitude to the rest of the team.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
What do you know?
We scored a run w/o the benefit of a home run…
September 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Great run. Still, I have no faith. I hope my negativity counter jinx us.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Does Fredi know what RHP means? Just curious. I mean, you know, since he started Diaz over Heyward.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Do you guys mind if I start cussing openly. Stevie, can we have one free night?
September 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Anyone else get frustrated with Freddie jogging to first base? It freaks me out.
September 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
@158
They said on the broadcast that Blanton has trouble with right handed hitters…
September 28th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Thanks for talking me down, MnM.
Man, we hate scoring runs.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@157
Sorry Leah, I think you and I are like crossing two sets of fingers (I had no confidence coming into the game – my prediction was everyone wins but us…)
September 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
I take that back!! His NAME …. IS DAN UGGLA!
September 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@ 163
Well, maybe not…
September 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Oh thank you Uggla. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
HIS NAME IS…….
September 28th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
@162
No, I think it is just that they want to save the runners on base because they hate solo home runs and sac flies…
September 28th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Nothing is better than giving Hudson a lead. Also the Charlie Manuel should start resting his position players soon.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Easy boys . . .
I love how much the crowd is into it.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Bourn is determined but our high school players don’t slide and then come off the bag. They also know the importance of NOT making the first out at 3rd or home.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
It looks like Houston has decided not to help us out at all.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Its a must win situation. The Cardinals are killing Houston right now.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
@ 171 If it worked you would praise him. He was actually safe.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Damn Astros can’t get outs. Must win.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Hopefully Carpenter implodes.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
In fact he will implode
September 28th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
174, couldn’t agree less. call was close in the first place and could have gone either way (Umps don’t have slow-mo) but he then came off the bag. Can’t be a homer on every call. But, I will say that Bourn did show up tonight even if it was only for one of the few times this month.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
The phillies are relentless. In a related story, I hate them.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
@171
Unfortunately, he felt he missed an opportunity by no going to third on the ground ball and was trying to make up for it…
September 28th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Big K. Big inning. Do you guys trust O’Ventbrel in this situation, or do you ride Huddy?
September 28th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
They just showed a replay. Not being a homer just stating facts. He was safe.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
You ride Huddy for now until he slips a little. But he won’t.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
I gotta say, there is a split second where Bourne comes off the bag and Palanco is tagging him on the butt. Having said that, I don’t think the ump made that call – he missed the slide call.
The ESPN db’s are siding with the ump. In another related story, I hate them too.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
*Bourn. Damn Auto spell.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Wow technical difficulties. Damn
September 28th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Where was Jason? He should have pinch hit.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Yeah. Does Worley struggle with righties too, or is it Fredi who struggles with the concept of righties.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Fredi struggles with concepts. And baseball.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
September 28th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Here comes the pain.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
6 outs. Huge DP.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
EOF!!!! How freaking big a moment was that?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Its all up to the offense and bullpen.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Hammy. The ESPN guys thought Bourn was tagged out at third, really? Although, he did come off the bag for a moment as you said.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
The Cardinals are up 7-0. Carpenter is currently imploding by giving up zero hits.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
I’m afraid.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
So weird: NY and the Cards both up 7-0, and in each race, the other teams are battling in 3-2 games.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
#198 – it really is crazy
September 28th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
And the innings each game is in: 5th, 6th, 7th, & 8th.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Well, EACH game isn’t in those four innings, rather respectively. English fail.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Baseball gods…huge sense of humor.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Walk Howard. WALK him or I say type every swear word I’ve ever heard on this here board.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Not with a lefty pitching…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
I disagree strongly with Don.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
…and Bub.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Sigh
September 28th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
uh…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Venters hit a batter? Wha…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
How the holy hell is Kimbrel not ready right now?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
The runs we didn’t score are looming large…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
2-2 pitch was the same one he hit Howard with…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
My 10 yo… “Mom, you have to believe!”. “They won’t win if you don’t.”. Poor kid. Such disappointment for him in the AM.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
… as are the games we didn’t win.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
No Leah, no!
I am sick to my stomach.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
(last comment meant in response to Mark’s second to last comment … err…)
September 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
It isn’t his stuff, it’s his command…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Well, that was easy.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Or lack thereof..
September 28th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Whew-hoo!
Let’s score 123 runs now.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
+10 for “whew-hoo”
September 28th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
When did Jonny Venters become Mike Gonzalez?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
When his arm got the same treatment in a Braves bullpen.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
@222
About three weeks ago…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Back-to-back-to-back sounds pretty good… and let me be specific, I mean home runs…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Thought his name was Dan Uggla again…but no.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
We wouldn’t lose a 1 run game would we?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Bottom of the order for Philly. Do I dare to hope a little hope?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
3 outs to go. Bottom of the order. Lets Go Braves.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
I’m afraid again.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Literally watching through my fingers.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I’ve been watching through one finger since the first game in this series…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Haha…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Speaking of…Ham, loved your mind flipping you off comment on the show. Very funny. Busted a gut.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Can’t be smooth, can it?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
1 down.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
C’mon!!!
September 28th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
It is like he get quicker and quicker — and when he does, his location starts to suffer…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
There goes the bottom of the order.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
MnM…was thinking same thing.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
And now we have worked our way to the top of the order. Terrific
September 28th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
The ump was calling that earlier.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Way too many pitches
September 28th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
I REALLY don’t want to face Utley with the bags juiced.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Way too many walks, too
September 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Pfffffffft.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Bad Kimbrel! BAD!
September 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Just can’t make it easy
September 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Too bad. Here we go…with our rookie.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Alas
September 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
see #248
September 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Cursed. That’s what they are. Cursed.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Alack
September 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
2 walks
September 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Huh…Astros killing us in this game too.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Alone.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
in a 1 run game
September 28th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
He’s come unhinged
September 28th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
3 walks?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
At least they probably won’t pinch run at second with the game tied… can’t afford to burn a hitter…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
It’s all falling apart…
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Ugh. This is not fun.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
who the hell is booing him?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
WTF. Shake it off Craig. We need you tomorrow.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Guys…come on…it’s over, right? I need to prepare.
September 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Bring in the long man and see how long we can keep them from scoring…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Leah, if this team hasn’t prepared you by now…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Well it’s not like we were going to make it deep into the post season anyways.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
this move seems ambitious
September 28th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
God love em
September 28th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Meds, good to see you.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
We have to squeak out 1 run. PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Um, Mr. Dylan, have we met? Eternal sunshine over here trying to cope.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
With St. Louis up 7-0 Top of 8, it is now “Win or Go Home”…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
@268 Negativity begone
September 28th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I almost … almost got excited when Kris came in. But I pulled back just in time.
Okay, offense, let’s … score … some …. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
September 28th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Somebody get a hit
September 28th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
We will score this inning. BELIEVE! Leah – cheer with me!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@277
Unless it is a homer, several somebodies get a hit!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Mac is forgiven for his recent sucktitude if he homers here and now.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Eternal Sunshine of the Sportsless Mind?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Best I can do Hammy.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Eternal Sunshine of the Win-less Mind
September 28th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I Be Leave.
clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
I Be Leave.
clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
September 28th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
McCann. Be the ball
September 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Who’s THIS guy?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Haha…it’d be awesome if the kid knocked one out.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
CMON HEYWARD!!!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
This is where the home run should be.
Jason hits one in his first AB and his last AB of the regular season in Atlanta… (that was for Steve)…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
And the swing was for Castanza…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Thank God, it’s Jack Wilson.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
The J-Hey K’d? Oooh, did I just make that up?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Jack 1 Wilson…?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Where’d we get Jack? Rev asked, can’t remember.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Did I say THIS inning?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
When Wren hired Gonzalez. Oh, sorry, thought you said “where’d we get Jacked?”
September 28th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
How apropos… an extra inning Braves game…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
@294
Seattle
September 28th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Wren is probably working up a five year deal for Wilson right now.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
I hope you mean Wilson, Tom Hanks’s volley ball.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Is it good that my sister just accidentally started up the Apocalypse Now dvd that was in my player and The Doors’ “This Is the End” came on?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
How about 18 innings before a flight to St Louis?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Meds!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
How different is this season if Medlen is around all year?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Or if Fredi is around no year?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
I hope you mean Wilson, the neighbor from Home Improvement
September 28th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
#305. That
September 28th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Surely Schwimer gets the Friends theme song if he gets an AB?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
They are bringing out their scrubs and I am not feeling more confident.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
End it Hinske! Why do I hope?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Curt, I was thinking Wilson the volleyball would be better. This offense might could hit it.
Besides, Wilson from Home Improvement never showed his face. We wouldn’t be able to tell him from any of the fans.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
@308
Or The Flipper Theme
September 28th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Hammy, I blame you.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Holy crap. The Rays scored 6.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
The body language in the dugout is abysmal.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Walk + Bourn = Double…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
It’s only fair that we play extra innings. Cards are gonna be tired after all that hitting the ball they’ve been doing.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Or Hit + Steal = Double
September 28th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
It’s final in Houston. must. Win.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@317
And all that base running…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
I’m, sadly, very pleased that I just permanently banned some Philly jerk off from the ABT facebook group
September 28th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Ooooo Curt. That’s awesome!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Michael Schwimmer needs a career boost. Here we come to save the day.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Chipper should eat this guy for lunch.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@324
Not really, I was surprised Chipper didn’t offer at the 2-2 change in the dirt. He struck out earlier on one…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
of course
September 28th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Yeesh. This is silly.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
We can’t even hit their poo poo platter.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Good. Cuz Medlen was obviously struggling.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Just remembered Wilson not being able to handle that sure DP. Winds are against us
September 28th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
315, u r right. Looks like a bunch of guys who want to go home and meet again in Feb. Why weren’t they all on the railing when Bourn got on? Wilson was sitting there looking down at his volley balls.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Well, he had only had one appearance this year and he didn’t want to over work him (commonly referred to as “a Venters-ing”…)
September 28th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
I just typed “sigh” for the second time tonight, then WordPress told me “you already said that once” then froze my computer.
Even the machines are sick of this.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
#333 = classic post.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
I, for one, would like to see him run (and pull a calf muscle…)
September 28th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Meanwhile, the Phillies have at least one guy get on every inning.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Nomar just called Meds “Melden”. See my earlier story about hating him.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Bets on Phils runs right here?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Last season was more fun than this season. That’s where I am. Starting the end of season chatter.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Baseball makes me bipolar.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
What’s his name???? Come on “Blue Eyes”! Tell ‘em what your name is!
September 28th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Wow. Tampa Bay down to their last out and last strike in the bottom of the 9th. Game tying homer from Dan Johnson and his .108 batting average. 7-7.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I am amazed that the walk did not come back to completely burn us. Felt like a very appropriate ending.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Maybe next year the team will stay healthy and play to their potential.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
And monkeys will fly, something, something
September 28th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I’m not enjoying this.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Yankees just brought in Scott Proctor. *giggles*
September 28th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
We can’t even figure out AAA call-ups.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
So, who pitches in the 12th? Teheran?
September 28th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Atleast the bullpen will be fresh. Ya know, tomorrow night, after our flight to St. Louis.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
#346 not at all. I can’t even cheer anymore.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
@343
No, it isn’t the 13 inning yet…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
The Braves have already scored their usual 3 runs so, I am afraid they are done.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Curt – I just saw your tweet about Linebrink. But seriously, if he even sniffs this game, I’ll complete freak out and fire Fredi myself. I don’t know what that really means.
September 28th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@348
Oh… wait… you aren’t talking about OUR starting pitchers…
September 28th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
We need a pitcher named Andy or Griffith to pitch to Mayberry…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Wow!
It sure seems like more than three double plays…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
I know this makes me a loser but if we don’t score I have to go to sleep.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Time for Heyward to end it.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Repeating post 289
September 28th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Yeah, Leah, how could you quit on THIS ballteam?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
C’mon. Man in scoring position. Let’s put it away here.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Aw Brooksy. Remember last season’s magic?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I would take the symmetry of Conrad being the late inning hero here.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Listen to that crowd! Very disappointed crowd but a great crowd.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Prado, you gonna take that?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Prado can do it?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
That might have been Conrads last at bat as a Brave.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Thank you sir, may I have another????
September 28th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
These guys are AAA kids! We should be lighting them up!
September 28th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
I think Atlanta needs to convert to a marathon team, at least we would know when it was supposed to be over…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Imagine how different this season would have been if Prado could hit
September 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Oh dear…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Fire away, Steve!
September 28th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
a busted year for Prado, er, I mean bat.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Oh man – that’s Scott Linebrink’s music.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@370
Well, we have our AAA pitcher on the mound… maybe he is just what we need against the AAA kids…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Fredi really put Linebrink in. I don’t know what to do right now.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Scott Linebrink.
G’night, all. See you when pitchers & catchers report.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
That had “Chris Burke” written all over it.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
8 walks since the eighth inning.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
This is really gonna suck.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Walk the .176 batter to get to the good hitters. nice strategy by Linebrink
September 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
who the hell will start tomorrow?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
#383, that appears to be the strategy most of our relievers are going with this evening.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Beachy?
September 28th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
All the Phillies are standing on the top step of the dugout. All the Braves are sitting down. We don’t deserve to win.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
There’s nothing like a well pitched game… And this was nothing like a well pitched game…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Unbelievable.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I used to love baseball…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Go Steelers!
September 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
It seems all too fitting
September 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
. . . . .
September 28th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Linebrink should have been DFA’d weeks ago. And this is where it gets us.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
One batter too late…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
And our season ends on the last day of regular season play in the 13th inning with an infield dink. Fantastic.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
How many of these hits/walks come after we have 2 strikes on the guy? It’s so frustrating.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Please refer back to 352
September 28th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I am with Joe a bit here…
I have found Brian’s pitch calls to be a bit suspect lately…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
The main thing to take away from Fredi’s first year is that we made epic collapse history.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
M in M you are a genius. An evil, twisted, sadistic genius.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
“All hands on deck”?
Try get below and pump out this sinking ship…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
#399, I have felt the same about Mac for weeks. especially with the young guys on the mound.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
They just showed a shot of St Louis pulling out the champagne and getting ready.
I hate.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
#400 – Yes
September 28th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
I do wish the “young un’s” could have been around JJ (though I understand they wouldn’t have been called up had he been able to pitch) and see you don’t have to throw your hardest to get outs… Let up a little, get a little more movement on the ball, pitch a bit more to contact and go longer in games…
It was a domino effect. The young starters pitched well, but came out of games earlier, which taxed the bullpen more, which caused them to not pitch as well, which led to exposing our lack of offense, which caused us to lose games we should have won, which will probably cause the Braves to miss the playoffs…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
If we lose today, guys don’t even bother making a podcast for a month. I won’t be reading or listening about baseball for quite a while.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Dear Frank,
it’s time to clean house.
-A Fan
September 28th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Boooooooooooooooo.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Well, Henske is officially not a good luck charm for the playoffs anymore… Atlanta sucked the luck out of him…
At least Venters and Kimbrel will get a rest now…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
I’ve hit rock bottom
September 28th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Just a terrible way to go out.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Leyritz has some company
September 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
The Braves continue to crush their fans year after year.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
The really amazing thing is that Boston may get their win from a rain shortened game…
September 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
#411 – As have I. Good night folks. It will feel better tomorrow after a good night of sleep. Not really.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
18th game since Aug 16 with 3 runs or less. Say goodbye to many of these players. And, hopefully some of the coaches. Need some guys with heart. The list is way too long of players that quit in August.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
On the bright side, now the fellas can all go huntin’.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Fredi will still pitch Kimbrel and Venters Sat, Sun and Monday.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
#419 – Fantastic.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Possibly the post of the year, QC Bravo.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Tough season, McCann was supposed to be Chipper’s replacement as the leader; he showed nothing in the second half. I hope it was injuries. Prado, Heyward, Gonzales failed to meet minimum goals. The pinch hitting was terrible. Braves will have to find some hitters by trading pitching and my guess is that Freeman is the only untouchable on the team besides Chipper who wouldn’t go anywhere. NO matter how good your pitching staff is, got to score some runs. But, Wren, please start by giving Lowe away or resign or do both.
September 28th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Sorry guys…..I know the Braves lost that game but I want to throw a big poo poo sandwich at the third base umpire. He cost us a run that sorry blank blank blank
September 28th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Hopefully this is the end of Liberty Media too
September 29th, 2011 at 12:02 am
The lasting image I have is how lifeless our dugout looked when they were playing for their postseason lives.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:15 am
All I want for Christmas is the entire coaching staff of the Atlanta Braves to be FIRED for making Atlanta a laughing stock of the MLB!!!
Send Fredi’s ass packin’ right now for a Christmas in September special. NOW!
Of course that won’t happen and Fredi G will be here for the next two seasons if not longer.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Why we didn’t make the playoffs:
1. Venters and Kimbrel dominate but fall apart due to overwork
2. Uggla had terrible 1st half, excellent start of 2nd half and mediocre last month a and a half
3. McCann had excellent 1st half, but terrible terrible 2nd half
4. Heyward completely surprises with horrible season.
5. Prado has a less than mediocre season
6. Lowe sucked and McLouth continued to suck
7. Proctor- need I say more
8. Gonzalez has a great year with the glove but completely lost at plate and just when he heats up he gets hurt.
9.Linebrink started off okay but later looked like Proctor
10. Fred Gonzalez makes stupid decisions and there are so many.
11. Larry Parrish obviously can’t reach hitters.
12. JJ and Tommy are MIA in the 2nd half
How the hell did we win 89 games?
September 29th, 2011 at 12:37 am
So when does the end-of-season podcast hit the web? I wasn’t on here last season so i’m a newbee.
September 29th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Sunday. Should be a love-fest
September 29th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Is firefredi.com up and running yet?
September 29th, 2011 at 8:54 am
So tired of condolences. Not even checking Facebook…EVER AGAIN!
September 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Kate – it actually is
http://firefredi.com/
September 29th, 2011 at 8:59 am
the quotes from Fredi are just . . . . there aren’t words. He took ZERO accountability for how things ended up. Disgusting. I know that everyone worked their butts off, and left it on the field, blah blah blah. BUT not even one word of accountability. I feel bad for everyone on the team except for him. So angry right now.
At least the Red Sox pooped the bed as well. There isn’t a whole lot of baseball talk going on right now. The train in was as quiet as I have seen it in a long time.
Right now, I am not looking forward to next season. I know in time that I will and all that, but I can’t imagine another day with F-Gone (if only) at the helm.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:34 am
If you watched the postgame comments it was even worse. He had such a too bad, tough luck tone. And his we’ll get ‘em next year was perhaps the weakest and most unconvincing we’ll get ‘em next year I have ever heard. You finished the season 3-9 against your division. Something tells me the teams we play the most know how easily we’ll roll over if they just play hard. The Phillies clinched weeks ago, yet they always make the pitcher work every at bat of every game. They are better than the Braves and they play much harder as a team. As do the other 3 teams that beat us out for the postseason. The Braves showed no heart this last month, and I think it all starts with the coaching staff. I have no doubt that this coaching staff is back next year, and we will see similar results.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I’m actually ok with last night’s loss…don’t hate me. We NEVER would have won tonight’s game with a taxed bullpen and dejected offense after a long game and a late flight. I’d rather we just limped away.
So thankful for the Red Sox right now.
September 29th, 2011 at 9:41 am
We added so many good pieces in the offseason, too. Meanwhile, Joe Maddon’s team is so depleted that people predict they take major steps back in 2011. Instead, they beat out a team with twice their payroll and make the postseason. They beat out the Red Sox after the Sox acquired the Rays 2nd best hitter in the offseason. That would be like us beating out the Phillies after they acquired Brian McCann or Chipper. A good manager can definitely have a huge effect on a group of players. Joe Maddon might be just a tad smarter than old F-Gone, though.
September 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Associated Press:”The Braves were 10 1/2 games of St. Louis before play August 26. They were still up by 8 1/2 games on the morning of Sept. 6. Instead of popping champagne for a second straight trip to the playoffs, they became the FIRST TEAM IN MAJOR-LEAGUE HISTORY TO SQUANDER A LEAD OF AT LEAST EIGHT GAMES FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT IN SEPTEMBER.” The caps were mine.
SO, They are first at something. I think they are also first at having the worst managing/coaching staff. So, we win twice!
September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
To me- the worst part of all of this is that there is no game today…
September 29th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
At least my fantasy team didn’t choke away a huge September lead. Not having any Braves on my team really paid off.
September 29th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Bless your heart Matt. I don’t want to watch another game til February.
September 29th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Fredi needs to go, but we all know that will not happen….
I think Chipper would make a good player/manager…
September 29th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
“It was one more reminder of why the Cards are still alive and the Braves are done. Some folks look at the bright glare of a playoff hunt as if it were a scalding heat lamp (see: Atlanta Braves). Others bask in the warmth of the intense pressure and act as though it’s some soothing morning sun. That would be the Cardinals.” – Bryan Burwell, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
September 29th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
In a statment today Fredi Gonzalez said they are bringing back the entire coaching staff…
September 29th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
From AJC:
Atlanta ranked 26th in the major leagues in batting average (.243) and on-base percentage (.308), after finishing fourth in the majors in OBP (.339) in 2010 under former hitting coach Terry Pendleton, who now serves as first-base coach and infield instructor.
The Braves hit .205 with 31 runs while going 3-9 in their last 12 games, and had a .195 average with runners in scoring position for the month of September.
“I’m sure that L.P. [Parrish] will sit back and evaluate some things, maybe do some things different, like we all will,” Gonzalez said.
SMH SMH
September 29th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I hope the Cardinals enjoy this moment because this time next week the Phillies would have swept them. The Phillies are definitely going to the world series. Their at bats were amazing and their pitchers were hitting the corners at will in extras.
September 29th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
443 – Ham, I love the tag F-Gone! Yep, he’ll serve his entire contract with the Braves and maybe even a little more.
My problem with Fredi wasn’t so much that he wasted the bullpen this season. With so many close games, I can forgive (some of) that. But there were times when he ran Jonny out there when he didn’t need to.
My biggest problem with him is that he’s not all a tactical and strategic manager. Doesn’t play the matchups well, sits players who are hot, doesn’t know when to hit and run, picks the wrong time to squeeze (safety or suicide), and his post game comments leave one to wonder whether the man was even near the ballpark!
He needs to go. firefredi.com, damnit!!!
I said that last years team was better and I really mean that from a team standpoint (not on paper) that the 2010 Braves were a character team and found way to win game instead of losing them. Not sure what happened with this year’s team but something tells me that they either don’t like to play for Fredi or that something is wrong in the clubhouse. I can sure see why the 2010 Braves played their hearts out for Bobby and perhaps that might be the reason the team just didn’t look like they went all out in every game down the stretch. Last night’s game with their backs against the wall they did play hard — too little too late and we should have never been in the position. Fredi needs to learn how to inspire and/or motivate his players. He’s terrible and we are stuck with him.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
This was a hard season but it really irks me that Buster Onley is putting rumors out there that Heyward might be traded. If the Braves trade Heyward at 22 years old and after 2 seasons, I’d lose it. I can imagine it now. We trade him and next year he’s in MVP talks.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
It’s been mentioned several times over the last few months, but, to me the key to success starts with new ownership. All Liberty Media wants is for the Braves to send the parent company a certain amount of profit every year. A new owner that cares about winning will put an end to this mediocrity crap. Of course, there could be a problem finding anyone who wants the team.
New owners will mean that someone as ignorant as Fredi, will be gone. By the way what happened to Schuerholz? Does he not care anymore? Maybe his concern is collecting his paycheck and Liberty Media bonus.
September 29th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
The Olney quote certainly makes it sound like there is more to the Heyward saga than we are all privy to, sort of like the situation with our former SS, as Olney also mentions in the quote…
September 29th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
My guess is, as I said earlier today, that EVERYONE except Freeman will be open for discussion and trade (that would include McCann, though not likely, and only if enough was offered). This is the MLB and the Braves don’t have a competitive budget nor can they afford to keep all the youthful talent. They want youth and cheap journeyman players for the bench. Chipper is likely their last lifer.
Heyward needs winter ball or something to show Braves he can hit.
September 29th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Tragic, Ain’t it?
Please don’t ever end the post-season hope meter anymore.
See y’all next year.
September 29th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
George, I hear you buddy. Unlike Fredi, I will take full responsibility for the massive goocher we put on the team.
September 29th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
As long as the Yankees or Phillies don’t win it all, I will find some joy.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
@450 I disagree. McCann, Bourn, Kimbrel, Venters, Heyward, Uggla, Tehran are also untouchables. It just wouldn’t make sense to move these guys if you are looking to compete next year. I know we fell flat on our face but I’ve been hearing too much language about blowing the team up. Usually that talk is for veteran teams. We have one of the top 5 talented rosters in Baseball with most of our young players 3 or 4 years away from free agency. The problem is Fredi and Parrish. Yeah the Braves are on a budget but that’s even more reason to keep their cost controlled players. 30 million from Chipper and Lowe come off the books after next year. That money will be reinvested. I don’t see how they keep Bourn though.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
I am a bit behind on my show listening, so forgive me.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
First:
Do yourself a favor. Stop paying attention to what comes out of Fredi’s mouth in the press…
It does not make one tenth of one games difference in the standings. It most likely doesn’t reflect anything about what he is really feeling. It is “press talk”, nothing more. Judging Fredi by that crap is useless.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
The young players will get better. The main things that need to improve, imo, are the starters going longer in games, and the hitters putting together better ABs. The Phillies just put on a clinic these last 3 games on how to make a pitcher work. It seemed like they got a ton of 2 strike hits and seemingly worked the pitcher every AB. They look like they have a team approach when it comes to hitting, which goes against LP’s style of coaching.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
“putting this season” directly on Fredi is like blaming a marksman for bad shooting when he has a really good gun but has been provided sub-standard, inconsistent ammo.
If you ascribe to the “win a 1/3, lose a 1/3, what counts is what you do with the other third” theory, we went 35-19 in those games, mostly due to strong starting pitching and a strong back end of the bullpen. It obscured our lack luster offense (which was there all year).
Until our starting pitching got hurt, then the replacements pitched well, but they had shorter outings, taxing our bullpen and exposing our poorly performing offense.
Wren didn’t do enough to put a capable major league offense on the field – the fact that Nate McLouth was our starting center fielder for most of that time is unforgivable. When he did bat well, he was batting ninth.
Lowe was an anchor much of the second half as well as Heyward. Playing the two of them in the second half was ludicrous. Both of them should have been sent to the minors till they got straightened out.
Prado wasn’t himself after the injury. Is this really going to be our starting left fielder for the future?
JJ was a first half bright spot, as was Freddie after a few weeks. Huddy did well pretty much all year.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
“Braves will bring back their entire coaching staff, manager Fredi Gonzalez said.”
Adios, Bravos.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Our young pitchers could learn from JJ. He went from trying to strike everyone out to pitching a bit more to contact. Which resulted in fewer pitches per inning and going longer into games. The 5 2/3 inning starts killed out bullpen.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
My Offseason Questions:
How do you move Derek Lowe? Will the Braves eat most of that salary to clear a spot in the rotation for one of the young guys or Medlen?
How do you improve the durability of the pitching staff?
How do you improve the situational hitting?
Will they offer Bourn an extension?
Will they upgrade at SS?
Will they add another arm to the bullpen or just give Martinez, Vizcaino, and Medlen bigger roles?
The other positions seem pretty set, unless they move Heyward, which seems about as likely as firing Fredi.
I have been reminding myself all day that this is a very young, inexperienced team. They need time. It was also Fredi’s first year with this group. Hopefully he now has a better understanding of what he has and how to best use it.
September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Lowe + Hanson + Rookies= Bullpen death.
September 29th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
The offense scored 2 or fewer runs in 31 of 92 (33.7%) games in the first half, going 7 – 24 (22.58% wins).
The offense scored 2 or fewer runs in 23 of 70 (32.86%) games in the second half, going 5 – 18 (21.74% wins).
The offense couldn’t score runs in the first half and they couldn’t score runs in the second half.
The pitching allowed 2 or fewer runs in 36 or 92 (39.13%) games in the first half, going 34 – 2 (94.44% wins).
The pitching allowed 2 or fewer runs in 14 or 70 (20%) second half games, going 13 – 1 (92.86% wins).
The pitching won at about the same rate of allowing 2 for fewer runs, but just couldn’t do it as often in the second half.
Lack of offense exposed.
September 29th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
@ Mark in Memphis
Yes the players didn’t perform well, but Fredi made many mistakes that I KNOW affected the outcome of games. He is the leader so he should be blamed. It is what it is. I wonder if Parrish even stressed putting together good at bats instead of taking strike 1 fastball down the middle then swinging at a ball in the dirt.
September 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Am loving @bravesorganist’s retweets about HIM being traded next year. Among other scenaries, “for Brian Wilson and a beard to be grown later.”
September 30th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Guess which quote the following team is about “a perception held by some within the organization that this team — despite four wildly successful months — operated in a vacuum of clubhouse leadership. This, in turn, cultivated a climate of a lack of accountability, over which the manager presided with a curious sense of detachment,”
I’ll give you a clue: Rumors are that this team may announce today that they are parting ways with their manager.
I’ll give you another clue: don’t get your hopes up, Braves fans.
I’ll give you a final clue: I hate Fredi.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Welcome to the best parts of your offseason: funny tweets about our organist!
Anne – I agree 100% with you. It’s damn funny stuff. It’s just a sad state of affairs that it’s September 30 and it’s all we’ve got.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
I have no idea if any of this is true or not, but it’s uncomfortable/fascinating all the same:
http://deadspin.com/5845350/hey-craig-kimbrel–dont-worry-the-internet-has-found-your-wallet
September 30th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Parrish it out. Just announced.
September 30th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
That had to happen. Crazy that it happened a day after Fredi said everyone would be back.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
470 – Well, that’s why you cannot believe ANYTHING Fredi says. How many times during the season did he say he was going to do something in the pre-game, then do the complete opposite. I hope they can Roger McDowell as well, He doesn’t seem to know when it’s time to visit the mound — especially if your a rookie pitcher with just a handful of games under your belt.
I look for more changes but the one change we all want will not happen.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Finally a decision that makes sense. Glad somebody is being held accountable, now I feel better. Parrish was terrible.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I disagree with firing McDowell. There is just no reason to do that at all. Offensive issues are why we aren’t in the playoffs.
September 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Frank Wren said he will try to trade Lowe. If not he will go to bullpen. I’m loving the news today.
September 30th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Glad to hear that D-Lowe will either be traded or to the ‘pen. He’s going to the ‘pen, he’s done, and I think this is the Braves way of saying, ok, you wanna stay (and I know he’s under contract through next year), go to the ‘pen.
It’s a kind of KK thing. Nobody wants him and he’s done. It’s sure going to bust his ego. He’ll probably start drinking and drag racing on P’Tree Street again. Maybe he doesn’t get off this time.
September 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
M in M and Jo Bu, I’m with u on no longer listening to Fredi. I just wonder how much control he has in regard to his coaching staff. Also, I think McDowell has done a decent job.
I love the news on Lowe. Delgado, Beachy, and Minor all outpitched him down the stretch. Medlen and Teheran would also be better options. The Hamburglar belongs in the ‘pen or in AAA.
September 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
I want Leo back but I doubt it will happen. The thing that bothers me about McDowell is that he’s a jerk and that whole SF thing. I don’t know whether or not Leo might have roughed up any feathers with his recent comments but I always liked him as a fan.
September 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
I guess Gonzo is gone since Wren mentioned SS, OF, and utility infielder as the primary needs for an upgrade. It will be interesting to see what happens with Heyward and Prado. I wonder if Wren is going to get someone to come off the bench or someone to challenge for a starting spot. Speaking of OF, I hope we lock down Michael Bourn like Wren did with Uggla last offseason. We all know how hard it is to find a leadoff man and CF.
September 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
DOB’s twitter is where it’s at this afternoon. Although I must mention, I first heard about the Parrish firing from Steve.
September 30th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Damn straight, Nate!
Jo-Bu, I don’t think we’ll see Leo again. I thought it was always telling that the Big 3 (Maddux, Glav, Smoltz) never really came talked him up much when he left. I’ve always there was more to the Leo story then we knew. And listening to him on the radio her in ATL, he gets more unlikeable by the day.
September 30th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Holy cow! It’s been a busy day!
September 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Firing Parish? Demoting Lowe?! Doing actual actions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU
October 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am
Today should be such a happy day. Sigh
October 1st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Interesting comments from Frank Wren in the ajc… Sounds like Lowe may not be in the 2012 rotation.
October 1st, 2011 at 5:23 pm
December 14, 2011:
3,2,1… ring
Wren: Hello
Blue Jays GM: It’s Alex, how ya doin’, buddy?
Wren: Last week was pretty tough.
Blue Jays GM: Yeah, I saw that. Hey, I have something shiny here.
Wren: Wow!
Blue Jays GM: Just give me that disappointing guy. What’s his name-Howard or something?
Wren: Heyward.
Blue Jays GM: Right. That guy.
Wren: Done!
October 1st, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I swear to God #485 is not me. Seriously.
October 1st, 2011 at 9:00 pm
If we rank the disappointments in Braves history, 1-10. This is probably somewhere around 3 or 4, I suppose. It sucks, but there have been bigger sucks. No? There haven’t been bigger chokes in my memory…but for example losing a WS to the Twins because we lose a ball in the frikking dome ceiling sucks worse than this, no? Can any body help properly frame the suckiness? I am late to my therapist…
October 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 am
I would say 2 or 3. 96 WS tops everything. 91 is up there.
October 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Trevarris Jackson almost Kyle Kendricked the Falcons…
October 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 pm
#485 is fantastic, by the way.
Season wrap up show will be posted tonight.