October 02, 2011

Show #167: Reviewing the Braves Collapse

Recapping the final week.  The Parrish firing.  Lowe and Heyward.  And questions heading into the offseason.

 

 

86 Responses to “Show #167: Reviewing the Braves Collapse”

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  1. 26
    Steve Says:

    The Schafer thing is kind of funny if only because it’s so awful. And what a waste. Do you think he rebounds from this? Do the Astros keep him? If not, will someone sign him? It’s not like he was tearing it up in Houston. The only thing he’s got going for him is he’ll be cheap for the next few years. And he’s a terrific person to invite to a party.

  2. 27
    Nate Says:

    I guess Jordan’s problem is he’s better at hitting a joint…

    Maybe the bong hits were slowing his swing down…

    It’s probably hard to hit when your eyes are already half way closed…

    Hey Astros, you got nothing for Oswalt, Berkman, Pence, or Bourn. Congratulations.

  3. 28
    Nate Says:

    Curtis Granderson is an absolute STUD. It’s hard to fathom that there were ever rumors of a Lowe/Granderson deal.

  4. 29
    ham Says:

    I guess Jordan couldn’t get behind the “don’t get too high or too low” philosophy of Fredi and Bobby. At least part of it.

  5. 30
    Steve Says:

    #27 and #29 – awesome

    And yes Nate – the Lowe for Granderson thing is nothing but absurd in retrospect.

  6. 31
    Bubdylan Says:

    Ham, ya made me laugh.

    Also got a chuckle out of running into an ESPN article from late September on Longoria calling out the Rays fans for not showing up. The article wasn’t funny, but in the comment section underneath the week-old column: one comment. From a Yankee fan. You thought the Braves had it bad…

  7. 32
    Bubdylan Says:

    *Nate’s comments also funny.

    Now that Jordan has entered recidivism proper (naw sir, that’s one bonehead name, but that ain’t me anymore), I’m going out on a limb and saying Heyward’s admittedly better guarded and less destructive, yet likewise funky little attitude will cause a big scene before it’s all said and done. Not drugs, no. Just trouble. Yeah, my link between Jordan and Heyward is weak, but I’m stickin’ with it.

    In other words, I just dropped by to cause controversy.

  8. 33
    Nate Says:

    Good to see ratings are shaping another baseball postseason. The Yanks/Tigers play at 8pm every time, but the Rays finish 2 games in the span of 24 hrs. They Rays went into Monday’s game @5 pm with the series tied 1-1, and by 5 pm on Tuesday they were eliminated from the playoffs. Yes, the Rangers were in the same situation, but it is still completely ridiculous.

  9. 34
    Steve Says:

    Here’s a tease for you…

    Just finished taping an interview with David O’Brien. Great stuff about all of Frank’s comments last week (lots on Heyward, where DOB all but freaks out on us, lots on Prado, lots on Lowe, lots on the fan’s relationship to Fredi, lots on Hanson and JJ). The show will posted on Sunday.

  10. 35
    David Says:

    #34 — great! looking forward to hearing DOB and his thoughts on everything. always a good listen.

  11. 36
    Steve Says:

    I think this is a good thing. http://tinyurl.com/3en3oyj At least they know how pissed we are.

  12. 37
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @26

    No.

    I think he gets suspended, again. I think there is a possibility that the Astros unconditionally release him. Do they really want his influence in the minors? Or do they really want to send the message to their young players that they can get away with something like that and still play baseball from them?

  13. 38
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @37

    Does this put him in the MLB “drug program” since he technically “he didn’t test positive” in an MLB test at this point?

  14. 39
    Steve Says:

    #38 – Great question. I would doubt it’s a violation of the MLB drug program. Is pot even on the list of stuff you get suspended for?

  15. 40
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Steve, you will love, then hate/disagree with, then love this article:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/880788-has-fredi-gonzalez-become-a-lame-duck-manager

    Ham will love, then disagree with, then love….

    Curtis will agree with the gist of the article and where it is coming from, but will hate it anyway (he hates everything)… ;)

  16. 41
    Vinnie Says:

    Interview with DOB? So 8 minutes on the Braves and 45 minutes on Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad and Curb reviews. Then a plug for Daddy Dz BBQ. Awesome…

  17. 42
    john j Says:

    40, thx for the article; good reading despite the mistakes (trading Gonzo, etc.). Personally, I think Wren was asleep at the wheel when he hired Fredi and during September he couldn’t possibly have had any meetings with Fredi. So, Wren fires the hitting coach after all the harm has been done. Big deal.

  18. 43
    Steve Says:

    Oh, Vinnie – don’t be a hater. And, to be clear, it’s 9 minutes on the Braves and 60 minutes on an REM retrospective.

  19. 44
    Nate Says:

    I’m glad DOB released the rest of the Wren interview because Wren really tells it how it is. I like that he recognizes that the coaches and players are equally to blame. I also like that he calls out the veterans. Chipper blaming the collapse on the youth is complete garbage. Chipper had his fair amount of first pitch groundouts during that 9-18 stretch. Accountability seems to be really lacking among these players and coaches, and there always seems to be an excuse. Those aren’t characteristics of a winner.

    AL East 0-2 in the NLDS. Overrated?

  20. 45
    Nate Says:

    *or ALDS…

  21. 46
    Curt Says:

    1 down, 1 to go. Just got to have the Phils lose tonight and all is right with the world.

    …..except for the fact that the Dream are down 0-2 in the WNBA finals. Another championship eludes Atlanta.

  22. 47
    Steve Says:

    #46 – Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  23. 48
    john j Says:

    I have to give credit to Wren; he is smooth. A good BS’er can spread that blame around. But, where was he as the hitting got worse and worse. Hitting coaches can be discharged during a season and a new field Manager’s performance can be discussed DURING a season to make adjustments. Most expensive mistakes were KK, McLouth and the long Lowe contract; what kind of team would the Braves have had on the field with some of that cash? Wren should enter Georgia politics; he is THAT convincing. But, “you can’t fool all the people, all the time.”

  24. 49
    Nate Says:

    #48, I’m guessing he didn’t want to fire anyone in the middle of the season. The whole that’s not the Brave way concept maybe came into play. Frank is part of the problem: 13 MM for KK/McLouth, 16 MM for Lowe, another 13 MM for a player that might play 100 games in a season. I was just glad to hear someone in the organization admit to all the problems this team had without tipping a cap or finding a lame excuse. He even cited examples of the offensive suckiness, such as the Detwiller game and the Chris Capuano game.

    Sorry about the Dream, Curt.

    The Yanks lost and they lost with A Rod striking out. Amesome.

  25. 50
    Curt Says:

    Even sadder is that I actually watched part of the 4th quarter of game 2 and watched them blow a 9 point lead. I should be put down.

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