October 02, 2011

Show #167: Reviewing the Braves Collapse

Recapping the final week.  The Parrish firing.  Lowe and Heyward.  And questions heading into the offseason.



86 Responses to “Show #167: Reviewing the Braves Collapse”

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  1. 51
    Steve Says:

    #50 – Curt, that is hard for me to wrap my head around. I gotta tell you. Here I thought all your Dream jokes were clever satire. Now I see it’s something much darker.

    I really don’t get all the FW bashing. Let’s talk about some of the players/contract brought up:

    Lowe and KK: At the end of the 2007 season, the starting 5 was Hudson, Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies, Jo Jo/Todd Redmond. It was an unmitigated disaster. I have no issue with these two signings. Yes, he overpaid and for too long, but that’s how you get these guys in the current FA climate.

    McLouth: I will accuse anyone of being a total revisionist if you say that was a bad trade at the time. Nate’s line the year before we got him was .276 .356 .497 and that includes 46 doubles and 23 steals.

    Chipper: That deal had to be done. The Glavine and Smoltz departures were nothing short of debacles. I’m not saying his contract was more than it should be, but it was the cost of doing business.

  2. 52
    Nate Says:

    At least we didn’t do the AJ Burnett 90 MM/5 yr deal. I thought we got D Lowe and KK after 2008, though. I think Buddy and Chuck may have still been around, but I think Campillo was also a part of that bunch. Regardless, it was an atrocious rotation, and if I remember correctly Huddy and JJ were the only ones to return. With McLouth we really gave up nothing, but the KK signing was a gamble considering his contact is about a tenth of our payroll and it sounds like the organization didn’t do their homework on that one.

  3. 53
    Steve Says:

    Dammit Nate – you and your facts. You’re correct. Lowe and KK signed during the 2008 off-season. But the rotation was still an atrocity: After Hudson and JJ, it was Campillo, Jo Jo and Charlie Morton. And the team won a paltry 72 games in 2008.

  4. 54
    Kate Says:

    Huddy was out for most of the 2009 season because of TJ surgery.

  5. 55
    Steve Says:

    You tell ‘em, Kate!

    Also, Kate, a long overdue congratulations for winning the ABT fantasy bb league.

  6. 56
    Walker Says:

    Frank Wren is a good GM. He made a mistake hiring Fredi, but I agree with Steve that nobody knew how bad KK and Lowe were going to be. Lowe was coming off a good season and was going to be a groundball pitcher in a pitchers park. People were praising KK as the Japanese Greg Maddux. Hindsight is 20/20. Those moves needed to be made. It’s not Frank Wren’s fault. He built a team that should win the World Series but the players, managers, and coaches didn’t execute. Bottom line. His philosophies about developing faster more athletic players and being a more patient offensive team are a relief to hear. It’s refreshing to hear the GM of your team have the same ideas you have about how the game of baseball should be played.

  7. 57
    Leah Says:

    Finally had the guts to listen to the show. No offense to you guys but the nose dive we called September put me in a very bad baseball place. For the first time ever I was ready for the off season. I wanted NO part in the playoffs this year. Just wanted an end to the heartbreak.

    How about those Tigers! Love the Yanks losing in NY. Now if only the Cards can take care of the Phillies.

    I also congratulate Kate on a fine fantasy league season. Next year I may not allow my 10 year old to make so many decisions. We’ll see…he’s on probation.

  8. 58
    Pure Says:

    @57 I’m not there yet. Maybe after the Phillies crash out I’ll listen to the podcast.

  9. 59
    Frigatedoc Says:

    Wow…… Phillies look like the Braves right now…. How sweet it is!!

  10. 60
    Leah Says:

    I agree Doc! 2 outs to go!

  11. 61
    Pure Says:

    OK, time to listen to the show now…

  12. 62
    Walker Says:

    The Phillies did this to themselves. If they just let us win 2 games at the end of the season they could be in the NLCS. What goes around comes around.

  13. 63
    Walker Says:

    The faces in Citizens Bank brings joy to my life. #Don’t judge me

  14. 64
    Leah Says:

    No judgement here…I will be watching the replay everytime I get sad during the offseason. Poor Howard. Good thing he has the entire off season the get that ankle checked out.

  15. 65
    Walker Says:

    I do think it’s ridiculous that MLB has a 5 game series. A 5 game series in baseball is a coin flip. A 7 game series is much more reasonable.

  16. 66
    Steve Says:

    THRILLED that the Phils are out. And how about that play by Fookie in the 8th?Unbelievable. And Howard crumpling to the ground to end the game added a strange twist to it. Still can’t believe it.

  17. 67
    Leah Says:

    Howard writhing in pain half way to 1st was poetic. Nothing against the guy…except that he kills us and he gets paid as much as our entire roster.

  18. 68
    Walker Says:

    I wish Howard the Best. We need good karma for next year.

  19. 69
    Bubdylan Says:

    Can’t believe how much pain relief there is in a Phillie flop. Sports is so weird.

  20. 70
    Curt Says:

    It really does make me feel so much better. Let Philly and NY wallow in it for a little while.

  21. 71
    Bubdylan Says:

    The five game series is the only thing in baseball lamer than using the All Star game to pick home field. It’s hard enough to advance the best teams using seven games.

    That said, this year it is glorious.

  22. 72
    Nate Says:

    Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt…

  23. 73
    Bubdylan Says:

    Blanton. Don’t forget Blanton.

  24. 74
    Danny Says:

    After last night, I finally feel like I can watch baseball again.

  25. 75
    Nate Says:

    Every Braves’ pitcher should be required to listen to Chris Carpenter’s postgame interview last night. He talked about attacking the zone early in the count to get them swinging. That way they know if they take pitches they’ll be down in the count 0-2 or 1-2. He said that strategy got them swinging early in pitch counts, and he was able to get a lot of groundballs. The man also had NO WALKS by using this approach.

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