Show #168: Mega End of the Season Debrief Show – Part 2
Chris Dimino of 790theZone joins us to discuss all things end of the season collapse.
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October 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Who he hell plays video games and eats fried chicken in the clubhouse during a MLB game. These guys may be grown men but they have the tendencies of little boys. So unprofessional. The Red Sox organization should be embarrassed.
October 14th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Walker, I would guess that kind of stuff, or worse, happens in maybe a majority of major league clubhouses. These are guys in their 20′s and early 30′s playing a game for a living, basically living together for six months. You don’t think a lot of clubhouses have a frat-house environment to some degree or another?
Not saying it’s ideal. But the reality is that this is being blown out of proportion so the Red Sox media has stories to sell. Drama sells.
If it was that big a deal and a factor in the collapse, the media would have brought it up much sooner, as soon as they learned all this was going on, and they wouldn’t have waiting until the season was over. It’s all about creating drama to sell stories.
October 14th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Great interviews with DOB and Chris. Thanks fellas.
I was a bit surprised to hear DOB say that Prado could be traded this winter — surprised, I guess, just in the sense that I just assumed that they’d hang onto him until he reached free agency. Like DOB said, I wouldn’t mind one bit if we traded him and could bring in a heavy hitter in LF.
I was gonna say that I’d love to see us trade for Jose Bautista, but I didn’t realize that they had signed him to an extension ($14 mil/year through 2015), so that would be about as likely as us trading Uggla this offseason. And with Terdoslavich developing like he is, perhaps we’ll just need a stopgap guy in LF for a year or two.
October 14th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
http://www.rantsports.com/atlanta-braves/2011/10/11/braves-treatment-of-heyward-still-baffling/
Kind of makes you think. Was the wrong person benched?
October 15th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Shaun (23) – Dimino is not only a knowledgeable baseball guy who spends a great deal of time around the team, he’s also one of the most unassuming guys around who really just enjoys talking sports. After we concluded the interview at around 10pm that night, he just stayed on the phone and to keep talking with Curt and I for 15 more minutes. Just a really good guy.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
#29 – walker, that’s a great read. And its what I raised with DOB about unequal treatment that Heyward seemingly received. DOB’s semi-freakout response made very salient points. Particularly that for a team that built it’s marketing around him and consider him the future, why treat him poorly? But, the fact remains that they seemingly were more down on him than anyone else. I really do think that there’s some clubhouse issue with attitude or something like that that’s a contributing factor. I’m basing that on nothing other than it’s the best explanation I can come up with.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
#28-David, yeah the Prado being a potential trade candidate thing was a bit of gut punch to me, too. Maybe he’s no longer indespinsible. That said, I bet he’s the starting left fielder next year.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
The Tito smear campaign (and that’s what it was, despite John Henry’s protestations to the contrary) was just despicable. I mean, of course someone carefully leaked the marriage stuff and someone on the team medical staff must have leaked the pain killer stuff. What a total betrayal. And someone on the board mentioned it, the man brought Boston two freaking titles after a 80+ year drought. Unreal.
Regarding the clubhouse stuff, it sounds pretty freaking bad. And I disagree that it’s going on like that in most places. I bet the majority of veterans around the league are more responsible, grateful and respectful of the game to let frat boys treat it that way. I’ll admit I may be a pollyanna in this regard.
October 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
#32 — I’d bet the same, if only because I don’t think Prado’s trade value is very high right now. I think the Braves would want to hang onto him and see how he does with the TBA hitting coach, and to give him an offseason of rest and a chance to play healthy next season.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
The weird thing about the Cardinals going to the World Series is that it is completely the Braves fault. The Brewers and Phillies have to be wondering what would have happened if the Braves played just played two games better.
October 17th, 2011 at 12:24 am
I’m really excited about watching the premiere of The Walking Dead, which I DVRed. I hope it’s better than the baseball version of the story I watched in September.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I just want one time for my team to go on a miracle run. This is twice in the last 5 years the Cardinals have done it? Amazing.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:45 am
I had to paste this just because it is so incredibly bad. (From DOB):
“By the way, speaking of Albert and St. Louis, going into their game tonight (Sunday) against Milwaukee, the Cards are now 17-12 in 29 postseason games beginning in 2006.
That’s four more postseason wins for the Cardinals in 29 games over the past six years than the Braves have in their past 41 games going back to the 1999 NLCS vs. the Mets.
And the Rangers are 15-11 in the 2010-2011 postseasons, two more wins than the Braves have since … well, you get my point.
Atlanta won six consecutive postseason games in the 1999 division series vs. Houston and first three games of the NLCS vs. New York. Then they lost nine of their next 10 postseason games, beginning a stretch in which the Braves have gone 13-28 with a .230 batting average and 4.35 ERA in 41 postseason games, including 6-15 at home. Yikes.
Chipper Jones, the only Brave who’s been with the team for all those postseason games, hit .255 with six homers, 21 RBIs, a .393 OBP and .824 OPS in 37 games during that period (he missed the four last year vs. San Francisco recovering from knee surgery).
He was pitched around frequently in those games, in part because other Braves hitters rarely gave opposing teams reason not to. (See: Sheffield, et al.). For his career, Jones has a .288 average, .411 OBP and .870 OPS in 92 postseason games, with 13 homers and 47 RBIs.
Besides Chipper, Andruw Jones is the only other Brave to play in all of the games in that Atlanta playoff drought except, obviously, last year’s series vs. San Francisco.
In the other 37 of those 41 Braves games, Andruw hit a respectable .279 with a .365 OBP, but drove in only 17 runs and struck out 30 times (with 18 walks) in 136 at-bats. The Braves were 12-25 in the last 37 postseason games Andruw and Chipper played together.”
October 17th, 2011 at 9:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enp1g7tnPO4&feature=related
great moments in atlanta sports
just ran across this…thought I would share
October 17th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I have Curt Bennett’s autograph
October 17th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/The-World-Series-that-could-have-been?blockID=578494&feedID=10156
Ok after reading this article I’m having fun thinking of all the possibilities of the Butterfly effect. It’s crazy to really break everything down. A game here to a play there to a pitch here. How about the possibility of 1 pitch selection by rookie Randall Delgado actually directly dictates who wins the World Series this year. It crazy to think if Polanco strikes out that it leads to a Philly championship. A negative outcome actually would have turned into the most positive rewarding outcome in baseball. Throw a slider and the Rangers are champs….. Throw a fastball and the Phillies are champs. I say this because I think the Cardinals were the only team that could beaten the Phils. OK I’m done with my weird rant. It’s funny how baseball works. Maybe there is an alternate universe somewhere and the Braves are in the World Series. LOL Right.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Steve, yeah, I definitely let my biases affect my view of Domino. Seems like the type of guy any Braves fan would want to have a beverage with.
Regarding the Heyward thing, I think it was about measuring Heyward against his hype and relying too much on batting average as an indicator of offensive value over OBP and SLG and things of that sort. Also, he may not get the respect defensively he deserves. He tied for the team lead in Defensive Runs Saved.
But with Heyward, no one (in the mainstream media at least) seemed to wonder whether he was one of the best three outfield options, particularly against right-handed pitching. Everyone wanted to essentially just bring up that he wasn’t living up to his prospect hype and the fact that he was having a bad season. No one denied either of those two points. The only thing that mattered in terms of his playing time was whether he was one of the best three outfield options. Clearly, against right-handed pitching, he was the Braves’ best outfielder this season.
October 18th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Shaun, as a guy who has had a beverage with Chris Dimino, he’s a great guy to sit around and shoot the breeze with.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
OK, people. World Series predictions? I say Cards in 6. This WS also marks the first bet I’ve made with one of my sons. $5. He is so going to cry when I take his money.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
I really don’t like either team. Either root for the same team George Bush roots for or root for Tony Larussa’s team. It hard.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
*It’s hard.
I say Rangers in 5 games.
October 19th, 2011 at 12:02 am
I like the Rangers in 6. That team can really hit, and the back of their bullpen with Ogando(sp?), Adams, and Feliz is pretty solid. I feel like the Cardinals luck with using their bullpen so much is about to run out.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:03 am
Interesting that McGwire turned out to be a good hitting coach.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Rangers in 7
October 19th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Rangers in 5.
The Cardinals haven’t seen a quality lineup this deep so far this postseason. Texas’ offense looks more like a mid-’00s offense than one from 2011. And Texas’ run prevention is underrated. Second-best ERA+ in the American League and third-best in the majors.