March 12, 2012

Show #174: Braves Continue to Flounder

Too early to panic?  Is Bourn worth the money?  Is Hudson?  Is John Morosi right in his Fox Sports article?



69 Responses to “Show #174: Braves Continue to Flounder”

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  1. 26
    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve, I’m with you. The words on the page, read in any tone you choose, are alarming. But I never for an instant believed anything would come of it. In fact I made rather an ass of myself on the motherblog telling everyone to mark my words, that he’d recant the whole thing within 48 hours.

  2. 27
    Bubdylan Says:

    ^ and yet when I was 100% right, nobody was all that impressed. Such a let down. Being right on the internet: it’s just not that big a deal.

  3. 28
    DAP Says:

    hm…at the risk of getting kicked in the face by carlos, its just spring training! These are not anything like real regular season baseball games, evidenced by the fact that Minor pitched 4 innings of 1 hit shutout ball, and gut pulled, and varvaro was pitching in the 7th protecting a 1 run lead. how many times will that happen in regular season play? most likely zero.

    I contend that if you thought this team was going to be decent before spring training games started, you should still think that. nothing has really changed.

  4. 29
    Walker Says:


    Andrelton Simmons will be our starting SS.

  5. 30
    Jo-Bu Says:

    It’s a shame: Chipper still seemed a bit bitter during the in-game interview he did in tonight’s game (for two half-innings). Joe Simpson asked if he’d like to clear anything up and Chipper basically said that “we have an overzealous reporter in Atlanta”… “Dave wasn’t even there”… “to print something I said in gest..” “He [David] has my cell phone number and he knows he can call me”… “taken out of context.”

    Yeah, Chipper??? So you are not going to take responsibility for what two national writers heard with their own ears and reported? Did you really think this wouldn’t go national given your emmence status in the game not to mention this team? Of course not, so let’s beat up on DOB because he’s the only target you can vent your mistake on because he relies on club/team access to do his job. Nope, let’s put the blame on some small technicality that Dave was not there, and therefore he took it all out of “context.”

    I mean, did you NOT know who you were talking to at the time you were being interviewed? they do wear press creds — maybe you should glance at those once in a while? This story would have gone national whether Dave was there or not, you fool.

    This is the weakest excuse/rebuttle I’ve ever heard come out of a professional sports athlete’s mouth after they’ve said something they wish they had not said.

    Chipper: I love ya, babe! You are the greatest switch-hitting thrid-baseman in MLB history but in order for that great honor to be worn properly, you gotta own up and man-up on this one, partner.

  6. 31
    Bubdylan Says:

    Throwing DOB under the bus was stupid as h*ll. Lame move. I don’t even like David that much, but Chipper absolutely put himself in that spot. And now the insulated big shot surrounded by yes men takes full advantage of his position and DOB gets the heat for it. Screw that.

    Three things I knew already

    1. Chipper’s last season would be a nightmare of low production and bullcrap in the press.

    2. Fans would still blindly rush to his defense instead of admitting he’s just a jerk.

    3. Whatever thread I had left of holding onto my Chipper Jones fandom would likely be snapped.

    I just didn’t know I’d get to check off all three in Spring Training.

    “if you thought this team was going to be decent before spring training games started, you should still think that.” – DAP

    Well, I’m covered.

  7. 32
    Bubdylan Says:

    And whoever made these quotes on the DOB blog the night of the big disaster deserves a lot of credit. A LOT of credit. He should probably be made King of the Blogosphere.

    “He ain’t going anywhere. He’ll “explain”/ recant/ talk out both sides of his mouth within 48 hours from now. He’s a Brave, for better or for gimp, all year.”

    “LOL, listen to me you freaks. Nothing is about to happen. The guy is just saying stuff. Just saying.Not doing.It’s Chipper. Am I taking crazy pills??”

    ” he. is. not. go. ing. any. where. He just let some words fall out of his mouth that he will be grumpily clarifying over the next few days.”

  8. 33
    Curt Says:

    Overlook the fact that the bulk of the players expected to make up your offense are hitting below .240. Your projected starting SS is 3 for 30. Heyward has 10 Ks. 3 starting pitchers have ERAs over 9…….

  9. 34
    Adam Says:

    Well I think we’re going to win the east. Since when has Spring training represented how well a team plays in the regular season?

  10. 35
    Bubdylan Says:

    Adam, if it were wins and losses, I’d agree. But the bad record is just one more thing thrown on the pile. And it’s a big pile.

    Chipper’s hurt. Heyward shows few signs of recovering his mental edge. Hanson and JJ, a serious percentage of our best asset, pitching, have to overcome injury, weird peripherals, and a new delivery. Hudson, another big chunk of said asset, is hurt. Last year’s first halves from Hudson and JJ will not be repeated.

    And way up on top of the big pile, jumping up and down on it, is Fredi Gonzalez, a clown silly enough to squander last year’s 99.4% chance to win the Wild Card. What’ll he do with even more adversity?

    I do expect some good things. Monster year from Uggla seems likely. Minor (the jerk) looks poised for more than we figured him for. I’m not worried about Beachy or the bullpen (except health). But it won’t be enough. Winning the East is a pipe dream. Forget it. The Wild Card would be a pipe dream, too if not for the sillyassed 2nd wild card spot.

  11. 36
    DAP Says:

    adam “Since when has Spring training represented how well a team plays in the regular season?”

    it has no correlation whatsoever. bubdylan didnt think we were any good before spring training, so its appropriate to still feel that way. nothing has changed.

  12. 37
    Adam Says:

    Well I’m stupidly optimistic about this season. The Phillies have a worse offense than us, the Marlins are flashy but only have 2-3 real starting pitchers, the Nationals aren’t ready yet, and the Mets are a joke. Then you’ve got us:

    We’re probably tied with the Phillies with starting pitching, have the best bullpen ever, and have a couple nasty power hitters in McCaan and Ugla. Not to mention Heyward and Prado are coming off career worst seasons. There’s no way they’ll be that bad again. Chipper is still a black hole in the 3 spot, but aside from that I don’t see too many weaknesses in our club.

    Also I’m excited to see what Medlen does this season. He was a super ace before he got hurt.

  13. 38
    Bubdylan Says:

    Forget all this negativity of mine. What the heck. This can’t be healthy.

    I just watched Terrence Malick’s “Tree of Life,” about the most life-affirming film I’ve ever seen (but don’t try it if you object to verrrrrry slow art films that take themselves extremely seriously). Then I come here and read all this sulfuric acid I spout up and down the page.

    So, bub resolution #5,798 (likely to be broken by next Tuesday) = knock it off and find something to enjoy.

  14. 39
    Walker Says:

    Chipper shouldnt be hitting 3rd anyway. Depending on his performance he should hit either 2nd , 5th or 6th. Actually according to sabermetrics our lineup really should be.


    I was reading that actually the two best hitters on the team should 2nd and 4th. The 3rd place hitter hits with 2 outs alot. So it’s better to have someone there who can hit HR’s.

  15. 40
    David Says:

    #29 — I really, really hope so…Although I’m kinda nervous that any day, Fredi is gonna say something completely idiotic like, “You know, Tyler’s really doing well here in Spring Training, and he’s our guy.”

  16. 41
    Curt Says:

    So if the two best hitters on the team are at 2 & 4, why is Heyward batting 2nd? Outside of the SS spot, he is running away with being the worst hitter on the team. Have to have Prado at 2.

  17. 42
    Leah Says:

    Cause Prado is awesome. I agree.

  18. 43
    Curt Says:

  19. 44
    Will Says:

    davidson done in one

    (as per my bracket pick)

  20. 45
    Nate Says:


    I’m really excited about Uggla’s hot start.

  21. 46
    DAP Says:

    Chipper is an offensive black hole? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

    How in the world is .275/.344/.470 a black hole? Thats his slash line for last year. If you want to argue that he shouldnt be batting third, i probably agree with you, but a black hole? Thats just silly.

    I think the braves have a pitching staff as a whole that might be on the same par with the phillies, but only because of our superior bullpen. they have an unmatched rotation, in my opinion.

  22. 47
    Walker Says:

    @ 41 I agree.

    I put Heyward there because I’m still convinced he will reach his high upside. He still has on base skills. However, Prado, Chipper or Freeman could bat second as well depending on their performance. But Chipper shouldn’t be hitting 3rd. He still has high on base and batting skills, but no power. The Braves might have won another game if Fredi didn’t chicken out and take Chipper out the 2nd spot.

  23. 48
    Walker Says:

    I also hope Fredi doesn’t use that amazing strategy of putting your worst reliever in extra inning road games this year. He can’t be that dumb again.

  24. 49
    Kate Says:

    Don’t get your hopes up, he is that dumb.

  25. 50
    Steve Says:

    I’m very heartened by the last couple of days. Hitting some home runs, scoring runs. Uggla and Prado continuing to hit, JJ improving yesterday, Chipper actually getting a hit. Just got to keep moving in this direction and all will be well. I really believe that. And a good start from Hanson tonight wouldn’t hurt, either.

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