Who ever says that these games don’t count should be kicked in the face. The Braves are a bad team right now and it feels like they didn’t learn anything from last year’s collapse. I went from being super excited to turn over a new leaf for the 2012 season to being totally devastated…I don’t know what else to say.
At least this show was good, as always, the only good thing related to the damn braves.
The 39-year-old Jones is dealing with the effects of surgeries on both knees over the years (“I’ve got no meniscus in the right knee,” he said). He has already missed five exhibition games this spring with leg soreness.
Did he not see this coming? Honestly? I’m amazed that he came in and allowed the team to believe that he would be able to provide them something, and here we are in spring training and he might retire before the season starts. Given time, they could have at least made some plan to cover for it. And given Prado more work at third in the meantime. I’m shocked, and yet not surprised, by this news.
And Carlos, bad would be 3 or 4 wins. They are awful.
Great stuff from our leader. I stand by everything I said in the offseason about Chipper making way too much money. I also got criticized for saying we’d be lucky if he plays 100. At this point it looks like both of those comments were entirely accurate.
Paying a 38-40 year old player 14 million a year, paying Lowe 15 million/year, giving Yunel to the Blue Jays for nothing, these are all moves that are still hurting the Braves. Maybe next year they finally stop hurting us. Maybe we can have some money to go out and pay players that will actually contribute in a positive way. Right now, the vibe around this team is terrible.
For what it’s worth, from DOB last night about Chipper’s comments:
it’s real, but probably not as dire as it sounds. I mean, I don’t see him retiring now or during season. I think he’ll get through it. But the knee is worse than it’s been, which is why he couldn’t play for five days after the opener. It looks like he’s past the worst of it, though, for now. He’s played a few days in a row, not doubled over in pain or limped off field, etc.
I think Chipper is a straight shooter and I take him at his word, BUT… This response feels like spin control on his part. When it gets tweeted by Rosenthal and Heyman, it was going to be a huge distraction.
If Presidential candidates say the wrong things, what makes anyone think that a baseball player is going to phrase things perfectly? Chipper is ONE player on a team that is about TEN players short of being a competitor. What Chipper says is about as important to the big picture as is what Newt says.
Wren is counting on EVERYTHING falling into place this year; what are the odds of that happening? EVERYONE recovers from injuries. EVERYONE plays up to their potential. PROSPECTS evolve into MLB players. COMEBACKS by disappointing players. Players that had great years, REPEAT or IMPROVE.
We all got to dream of success in the off-season, we get to see things develop in March, and we will get a dose of reality in April. Right now, just don’t bet the deed to the ranch on EVERYTHING falling into place. Enjoy the game of baseball and watch the young stars while they are still in Atlanta. Braves have a good product and miracles do happen.
It just seems impossible that we’re dealing with stories about how bad the Braves are in Spring Training?!?!? There aren’t stories like this about teams in March. How have the Bravos gone so far off the rails, so quickly, that THIS is the local AND national conversation about the team? 28 other teams are enjoying the optimism of March and we’re getting stories about our manager being on the hot seat on March 13?!?! Unbelievable.
#20 – Fair point.
#22 – True. It’s like shades of the Hudson thing a few ST’s back. There were some tweets from Chris Dimino yesterday (local radio guy who’s buddies with Chipper) about how DOB wasn’t there when the comments were said. I know that’s not the biggest deal, I mean it was said to two national guys, but it casts a pall over it in some way. All of that said, go back and read Chipper’s exact quotes. None of it sounds tongue and cheek. Pretty straight forward in my opinion.
FYI, I listened to the show last night from Changsha, Hunan province, where Mao Tse Tung went to high school. I have to say that only the air pollution in China is more depressing that the Braves right now.
Later I responded to Curt’s spam email to get people to join his ponzi NCAA brackets. He then explained that I needed to send him money because Davidson, my alma mater, is in the dance. Steve Curry had some game, and put Davidson on the map, so Im now thinking this could be fun. Maybe its the year of obscure college teams. I have watched that Jeremy Lin vs. the Lakers hilight clip about 10 times.
For me, Davidson was losing at basketball and football. Basically ignoring basketball and football, really. Chasing after girls who wore Birkenstocks. Still managing to drink too much, but studying all day and all night. This is the hilight reel of me at Davidson:
Steve, I’m with you. The words on the page, read in any tone you choose, are alarming. But I never for an instant believed anything would come of it. In fact I made rather an ass of myself on the motherblog telling everyone to mark my words, that he’d recant the whole thing within 48 hours.
hm…at the risk of getting kicked in the face by carlos, its just spring training! These are not anything like real regular season baseball games, evidenced by the fact that Minor pitched 4 innings of 1 hit shutout ball, and gut pulled, and varvaro was pitching in the 7th protecting a 1 run lead. how many times will that happen in regular season play? most likely zero.
I contend that if you thought this team was going to be decent before spring training games started, you should still think that. nothing has really changed.
It’s a shame: Chipper still seemed a bit bitter during the in-game interview he did in tonight’s game (for two half-innings). Joe Simpson asked if he’d like to clear anything up and Chipper basically said that “we have an overzealous reporter in Atlanta”… “Dave wasn’t even there”… “to print something I said in gest..” “He [David] has my cell phone number and he knows he can call me”… “taken out of context.”
Yeah, Chipper??? So you are not going to take responsibility for what two national writers heard with their own ears and reported? Did you really think this wouldn’t go national given your emmence status in the game not to mention this team? Of course not, so let’s beat up on DOB because he’s the only target you can vent your mistake on because he relies on club/team access to do his job. Nope, let’s put the blame on some small technicality that Dave was not there, and therefore he took it all out of “context.”
I mean, did you NOT know who you were talking to at the time you were being interviewed? they do wear press creds — maybe you should glance at those once in a while? This story would have gone national whether Dave was there or not, you fool.
This is the weakest excuse/rebuttle I’ve ever heard come out of a professional sports athlete’s mouth after they’ve said something they wish they had not said.
Chipper: I love ya, babe! You are the greatest switch-hitting thrid-baseman in MLB history but in order for that great honor to be worn properly, you gotta own up and man-up on this one, partner.
Throwing DOB under the bus was stupid as h*ll. Lame move. I don’t even like David that much, but Chipper absolutely put himself in that spot. And now the insulated big shot surrounded by yes men takes full advantage of his position and DOB gets the heat for it. Screw that.
Three things I knew already
1. Chipper’s last season would be a nightmare of low production and bullcrap in the press.
2. Fans would still blindly rush to his defense instead of admitting he’s just a jerk.
3. Whatever thread I had left of holding onto my Chipper Jones fandom would likely be snapped.
I just didn’t know I’d get to check off all three in Spring Training.
“if you thought this team was going to be decent before spring training games started, you should still think that.” – DAP
Overlook the fact that the bulk of the players expected to make up your offense are hitting below .240. Your projected starting SS is 3 for 30. Heyward has 10 Ks. 3 starting pitchers have ERAs over 9…….
Adam, if it were wins and losses, I’d agree. But the bad record is just one more thing thrown on the pile. And it’s a big pile.
Chipper’s hurt. Heyward shows few signs of recovering his mental edge. Hanson and JJ, a serious percentage of our best asset, pitching, have to overcome injury, weird peripherals, and a new delivery. Hudson, another big chunk of said asset, is hurt. Last year’s first halves from Hudson and JJ will not be repeated.
And way up on top of the big pile, jumping up and down on it, is Fredi Gonzalez, a clown silly enough to squander last year’s 99.4% chance to win the Wild Card. What’ll he do with even more adversity?
I do expect some good things. Monster year from Uggla seems likely. Minor (the jerk) looks poised for more than we figured him for. I’m not worried about Beachy or the bullpen (except health). But it won’t be enough. Winning the East is a pipe dream. Forget it. The Wild Card would be a pipe dream, too if not for the sillyassed 2nd wild card spot.
Well I’m stupidly optimistic about this season. The Phillies have a worse offense than us, the Marlins are flashy but only have 2-3 real starting pitchers, the Nationals aren’t ready yet, and the Mets are a joke. Then you’ve got us:
We’re probably tied with the Phillies with starting pitching, have the best bullpen ever, and have a couple nasty power hitters in McCaan and Ugla. Not to mention Heyward and Prado are coming off career worst seasons. There’s no way they’ll be that bad again. Chipper is still a black hole in the 3 spot, but aside from that I don’t see too many weaknesses in our club.
Also I’m excited to see what Medlen does this season. He was a super ace before he got hurt.
Forget all this negativity of mine. What the heck. This can’t be healthy.
I just watched Terrence Malick’s “Tree of Life,” about the most life-affirming film I’ve ever seen (but don’t try it if you object to verrrrrry slow art films that take themselves extremely seriously). Then I come here and read all this sulfuric acid I spout up and down the page.
So, bub resolution #5,798 (likely to be broken by next Tuesday) = knock it off and find something to enjoy.
#29 — I really, really hope so…Although I’m kinda nervous that any day, Fredi is gonna say something completely idiotic like, “You know, Tyler’s really doing well here in Spring Training, and he’s our guy.”
Chipper is an offensive black hole? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
How in the world is .275/.344/.470 a black hole? Thats his slash line for last year. If you want to argue that he shouldnt be batting third, i probably agree with you, but a black hole? Thats just silly.
I think the braves have a pitching staff as a whole that might be on the same par with the phillies, but only because of our superior bullpen. they have an unmatched rotation, in my opinion.
I put Heyward there because I’m still convinced he will reach his high upside. He still has on base skills. However, Prado, Chipper or Freeman could bat second as well depending on their performance. But Chipper shouldn’t be hitting 3rd. He still has high on base and batting skills, but no power. The Braves might have won another game if Fredi didn’t chicken out and take Chipper out the 2nd spot.
I’m very heartened by the last couple of days. Hitting some home runs, scoring runs. Uggla and Prado continuing to hit, JJ improving yesterday, Chipper actually getting a hit. Just got to keep moving in this direction and all will be well. I really believe that. And a good start from Hanson tonight wouldn’t hurt, either.
Feels so good to take both games today. I continue to grow more and more calm about the absolute train wreck of the first couple of weeks.
And Uggla is filling me with more confidence by the day. I’m almost positive he’s going to hit over .194 the first month of the season this time around (For the record, I had it in my head that he hit .167 the first month last year. The .194 doesn’t seem as bad in comparison.)