Loved the show guys! I didn’t know it was DOB that Chipper was implicating in that rant. That wasn’t cool that Chipper was being an old grouch. I’m on Curt’s side on the issue of Medlen, ‘if’ in some alternate universe I was GM of the Braves. I’d put JJ on the DL so he can sort out his command/mechanics issues, Medlen would break camp as a starter, Delgado would go into Medlen’s role when Hudson comes back, & by June…when Moylan will also be back into the fold. I’ll be putting out feelers and trade a pitcher (or two) away for cash & or prospects (power hitting prospects that is…).
Steve- it’s the butter slathered toasted buns combined with a wedge of lettuce that makes me love a Double Double. But i always ordered no sauce (thousand Island) add mustard. If you like grilled onions you should try one animal style (I can hear snickering).
Fair on Medlen in the pen. Lack of reliable long relief killed us last year and exhausted O’Ventrembrel.
Great show. I’m with Ham. I like that they’re playing better, but this still feels like last year’s team.
IMO, Meds should be a starter. This is like when Martin and Infante used to hit .280-.300 off our bench while guys like Kelly Johnson started in their place. Also, by putting him in the ‘pen you are assuming Fredi will use him properly and not put his career at risk by pitching him on too many consecutive days.
Good show. Needs to be longer, though; I have dishes left.
Still have a pretty low opinion of the team, but you have to love Dan Uggla. I think he’ll have his best year in the majors this year. It’s very refreshing to hear him be so aggressive to get better when he’s already got his contract. Opposite of Teixeira who didn’t even sweat his early slumps when he was going for a contract.
Chipper’s a real schmuck for using a tv broadcast to deflect his own screwup onto a beat writer. I’m glad it was unanimous that this was a bad move. I won’t obsessively rant this time, but I’d set the over/under of classless Chipper Jones press comments, before he retires, at about seven. He’ll just get more defensive as his body frustrates the claims his mouth makes. Gonna get ugly. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
I don’t have a link or source for this, have no idea if it’s true, cut it off a Phillies blog:
The New York Times analyzed data from 2003 to 2010, and found that there is some direct correlation to winning games in spring training and having success in the following season. Teams have gained confidence from winning, found unsung players and the confidence and organization created has carried over. The correlation measures out to 0.22.
Over that period of time, the five best team’s and the five worst team’s spring training records were evaluated. Over that eight year period the top three teams were 3 times more likely to make the playoffs. Over the last three seasons it has been even more true. Source;… “NY Times blog “Bats”
Of the 14 teams who finished in last place in either the Cactus League or the Grapefruit League since 2003, none have made the playoffs. Five have finished at better than .500, and five finished last in their division. Course;..”National Journal”…(Adam Kilgore)
I watched the replay of yesterdays game on MLB network. Delgado looked pretty sharp. He locates his pitches better than Teheran. If Teheran ever learns how to consistently locate his pitches he’s going to be a monster. He makes hitters look silly when he’s on, but he also looks like he could use some more time at Gwinnett.
I’m anxious to see JJ today. The reports on him have been a little worrisome.
Someone could make a few bucks if they came up with a complex way to rate Spring Training performances that better predicted April results. It doesn’t really seem like it would be that hard to a fangraphs-type mind.
You’d just need to weight everything. Give a little weight to the win-loss record of the team, for psychology, confidence and what not. But then turn to match ups. Weight heavily the hitting and pitching performances of projected starters facing off. So that a AAA batter facing a AAA hitter weighs nothing, or nearly nothing. An ace versus a clean-up hitter weighs a lot.
And of course, weight the earliest performances, when timing is off and pitchers are just finding their fastballs, very lightly, but let results weigh more as they come near the end of Spring Training.
If a fella (or fellette) had the time & spreadsheets, I bet you could come up with a point total that would be do a fair job of predicting early season results. Maybe even further out.
I still say Minor’s comment makes me feel he is the Second best competitor on Braves team behind Tim Hudson. That includes Chipper. Hinske & Ross are great competitors, but Minor’s comments show confidence…I disagree with his comments as arrogant, but as “matter of fact.” I wish Fredi was more like that.
Sooooo unhappy about JJ. I suppose it’s good that he says he feels good physically. There’s no room for better performance when you’re on a bum knee. But, seeing his comments after today’s game he’s clearly in his head AND not trusting his knee and mechanics. That’s a lot to overcome, too. Hanson just got more important (if that’s possible).
George (#23), for what it’s worth, I don’t think the opinions have to be mutually exclusive. I like that Minor is competitive and showing some fire. It was missing from his makeup last year. I also think it was arrogant (within the context of his time and stature on the team).
Back to the starting pitching. Teheran just isn’t ready. So we’re looking at JJ, Hanson, Beachy, Minor and Delgado. I’d bank on that. And that’s a bunch of pitchers who haven’t show they can go more than 5 or 6 consistently. I would hate if JJ was so bad we were forced to start Medlen. I feel even more strongly that we need him to make up for the short starts that are on the horizon.
Also, we barely touched on Vizcaino on the show. And now the worst is confirmed. He’s a big ol’ loss in the bullpen. He was primed to have a huge year and take pressure off the other guys.
Here’s a video (that’s kinda funny, but NSFW language), where an Arizona news anchorwoman spits out a four letter word expressing frustration over not getting a big name free agent…Although this video doesn’t have anything to do with baseball, my question is; when do you see or hear sportscasters/news people (not including Curt, Ham, or Steve of course), get noticeably mad or upset out of being a fanboy/girl of the Braves? Should there be more fire amongst broadcasters, journalists, & commentators?
Can’t wait to see the ’30 Clubs in 30 Days’ about the team @ 11 p.m. tonight. If JJ doesn’t get his stuff together, I think the front office would be out of their ever loving mind not to throw Medlen in the rotation so Jurrjens can be given time to work his stuff out.
This 30 clubs in 30 days got me excited again. I swear this Spring training has been a seesaw of emotions. But we really have a good balanced team minus the bench, which Wren did not improve. But the main weakness of this team is in the dugout.
Chipper Jones Announces He Will Retire at Conclusion of 2012 Season
Third baseman to retire after 19 big-league seasons LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. – Atlanta Braves third baseman Chipper Jones announced today that he has made the decision to retire at the end of the upcoming 2012 Major League Baseball season. The Braves and Jones have expressed interest in rejoining the organization in a yet-to-be-determined capacity after 2012. The No. 1 selection in the 1990 Major League Draft, Jones has played his entire career in the Braves organization. He currently leads all active players with 18 years of service with the same Club (Derek Jeter, 17-NYY; Mariano Rivera, 17-NYY; Todd Helton, 15-COL).Since the Braves moved to Atlanta in 1966, Jones ranks as the franchise leader in nearly every offensive category. He owns a .304 career batting average, with 454 home runs, 526 doubles and 1,561 RBIs in 2,387 games. Jones and Anaheim Angels first baseman Albert Pujols are the only two active players to hit at least 400 career homers and still have more walks than strikeouts (Jones has 1,455 walks and 1,358 strikeouts).Jones finished second in the National League Rookie of the Year voting in 1995 and went on to earn the league’s Most Valuable Player Award in 1999. He has been named to seven N.L. All-Star teams and has been voted into the Game as a starter four times, most recently in 2008. He played for the United States team in the first two editions of the World Baseball Classic in 2006 and 2009.He won his first career batting title in 2008, with a .364 average. It marked the second-highest single-season average ever for a switch hitter. Mickey Mantle hit .365 for the New York Yankees in 1957.Jones is the only switch hitter in Major League history to post a .300 career average with more than 300 homers, and his career batting average ranks second all-time among switch hitters. Hall-of-Famer Frankie Frisch batted .316. Jones’ home run total ranks third among all switch hitters, behind Hall-of-Famers Mantle (536) and Eddie Murray (504). The Braves will hold a press conference today at Champion Stadium on third-base side of the fourth (press) level of their spring training complex at ESPN’S Wide World of Sports at 11:30 a.m. ET.
Roving minor league hitting instructor (my bet A)?
Hitting coach for one of the monor league teams (maybe, but unlikely)?
Assistant hitting coach for the Braves (somewhat unlikely IMHO)?
Hitting coach for the Braves (unlikely IMHO)?
Yet un-named front office position (my bet B)?
Advance scout (unlikely IMHO)?
Scout (unlikely IMHO)?
How badass would it be to have Chipper Jones as a hitting instructor? I hope he gets to work with the younger players in the organization. Regardless, this is a great move by Chipper and the Braves to go ahead and get this out of the way. I hope we see some magic like we did in 2010 with Bobby’s last year.
I love the Chipper news. Totally like him (and I mean this in a good way) to get this out of the way before the season starts. He can rest up for a year, and I agree with Nate he’d make a tremendous hitting coach.
I’m glad Chipper got this out of the way so the national press will just shut up (at least w/ that question). Hopefully he mended fences w/ DOB. I’m glad that shows that we have that much more payroll to throw around in the offseason. Forget Bourne, I vouch for Josh Hamilton. I can definitely see Chipper being the Braves Hitting Coach in the next 5 to 7 years. I think he would be a great hitting coach.
For those who think Chipper Jones stuck around too long or think the Braves overpaid him the last few seasons:
According to FanGraphs, Chipper was slightly more valuable in 2009-2011 than Ryan Howard, the man who won the 2006 NL MVP, who has finished in the top 10 in MVP voting every year since 2006 and was ages 29-31 during 2009-2011.
According to Baseball-Reference Howard was less than one win better than Chipper over that span.
You could get him for an interview unless he listens to the last broadcast to see what we’re all about. Broadcasting from your mom’s basements, the lot of you.
Good news on Chipper, though. Along with Gwynn, the smartest hitter I ever watched closely (haven’t seen Pujols that much). And even though he’s the Brave I love to hate for waffling on his claims in the press, even I don’t think he’ll back out of this announcement.
Chipper was right and his opinion/comments are much more highly regarded nationally than any writer or commentator. Which writer can put themselves in Chipper’s shoes? Give any writer or blogger a soapbox and they know (think they know) more than a HOF player. Bottom line, outside of a few folks in Atlanta, who gives a **** about DOB?
@ 66 Well, I live in TN…and even though I didn’t discover DOB until 2 or 3 years ago when I discovered this podcast. Although I wasn’t in the locker room when all that stuff was said/quoted/misquoted/whatever. Chipper had a moment, he’s human after all…any Hooter’s waitress will agree with that. But on a more serious note, although DOB is human too, I still have a hard time believing that DOB was in the wrong.
The timing feels unfortunate that our last big Chipper conversation before the retirement announcement was criticizing his “may not make it through tomorrow” reversal and calling out DOB (which I still completely stand by). Chipper’s outspoken nature and the lifetime achievement award contract he signed a couple of years ago + the recent injury history make him a target, but I’m a HUGE Chipper fan. Sure, he has an ego, but all he’s really ever done is kick ass and do whatever was best for the team.
john j, I don’t see how being a HOF baseball player makes them “know more” than anyone else. I mean, unless the discussion is how to face a pitcher, etc, which it wasn’t.
And while you may not give a **** about DOB, that has nothing to do with whether he was right or wrong in a circumstance. I can’t believe you seriously equate baseball fame with rightness on this level. Manny Ramirez pushed an old man down. Nobody knows the old man.
The writers wrote a perfectly logical piece given the words that came out of Chipper’s mouth.
in hindsight, if Chipper was this close to making this decision he might have been a bit more jumpy or stressed than usual and just blasted a barrel at DOB. So maybe he gets a pass, no definitely he gets a pass, in the grand scheme.
why do i always love beating the mets, even if it doesnt count.
Curt, that really is DOB at his best. He can be pretty graceful for a guy with such a tempermental(sp?) streak. That was a perfect handling of it: brief, backing off without compromising, and staying out of the way of the actual story. Can’t see another AJC writer handling it that well.
Has Capitol Avenue Club’s readership fallen off or what? They have the benefit of being the Braves blog linked by ESPN, but most of their biggest articles get 10 or 15 comments these days. Chipper’s retirement article has like 8 comments. Anybody know what’s up with that? I’m not a big Peter Hjort fan, but they have a few decent writers.
Eh, I thought the guy with Nelson put him in a bad spot. But I do think he’s wrong if he doesn’t think Chipper will get a ton of ovations at away games. I think the Mets will give him a standing ovation for sure. And probably big time baseball towns like Chicago and St. Louis.
I’ve been feeling pretty good about the Bravos this last week, but this Chipper news, plus the Venters news and Delgado trouncing has left me rattled. I think it’s mostly Chipper’s knee though. He’s clearly mor fragile than I allowed myself to believe.
Bub, no idea about CAC. Given their ESPN link tho, seems their readership would be only growing.
Y’all know Venters has already had one TJ surgery, right? If he has a second Tommy John, the odds of him ever seeing a good contract drop way, way down. That was one of the most disgusting parts of watching Fredi send him into those 4 and 5 run games last year.
Mannnn…. leaving for Spring Break tomorrow & won’t get to hear the show unless I stay up late tonight. Hope I don’t get back & find out it was too positive. Be tough, Curt. Counting on you to keep it doomy; don’t let these guys get happy about beating some Astros (though the MPH for JJ is definitely a plus).
The Dan Uggla change of approach thing this spring is awesome, but it’s also a reminder what a farce it is that we assume ballplayers “are what they are” and in general don’t benefit from radical changes in approach. They do. And though you can’t over-react and overhaul approaches every time there’s a slump, there are enough long, ongoing Braves tendencies to justify really shaking things up. Get Fredi out of there. Develop a team hitting philosophy. Don’t just sit there and hope it gets better on its own. Uggla didn’t.
#69 Bub, thanks for taking the time to not let this die. I should know better than to take a position different from someone who has so much time on their hands that they average every third post on this site. I am so happy that you know more about what Chipper meant than he does. That is really logical. Thanks for your wisdom; without you, no one here would be able to follow the Braves in a logical manner.
How long have you been reading minds and how long did you play in the MLB? I want to fully appreciate your posts. The Braves are also missing out on your hitting expertise; I am surprised they haven’t put you under contract.
All “joking” aside, I really don’t think you know anything about baseball. You are reading ideas on one site and posting them as yours on other sites. That is MY thoughts on what YOU say. I think I know more about what you think than you do just like you know more about what Chipper thinks than he does. Doesn’t seem logical but who cares?