March 25, 2012

Show #176: The End of an Era

A whole lot on Chipper, a little on JJ, a little less on Vizcaino, and no Steve.  Again.

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116 Responses to “Show #176: The End of an Era”

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  1. 51
    Walker Says:
    March 28th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    There is no way there are 16 teams better than the Braves.

  2. 52
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 28th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I think the starting pitching is a major concern.

    If we can keep Chipper on the bench, though, these guys bunched up together could be dangerous:

    Bourn
    Prado
    McCann
    Uggla
    Freeman

    Then whatever Heyward, and whatever pathetic SS they drag out there, and our LF can do, we’ll just have to suffer through the bottom half of the order. I’ve always favored a powerhouse top of the order with a weak bottom over an even spread of only solid hitters, though I know you fellas disagree. I’ve seen convincing studies that show scoring in bunches is more effective and “black holes” in the line up don’t hurt too bad if there’s a killer section at the other end.

    But anyway, the Braves could have an exciting offense. But their starting pitching and their defense are liable to land us in 3rd or 4th place; I can easily see that. Especially when the offense slumps, as they all do, even the great ones.

    Call me a believer on the Marlins. They’re dangerous.

  3. 53
    Curt Says:
    March 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    I don’t think there are 16 teams better than the Braves either, but it is entirely possible that there are 3 teams in the NL East better than them.

  4. 54
    Steve Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    #47: Bub was that a criticism of the Braves’ attitude? Feels like no win for the team. Either they’re too business like or too rarin’ to go.

    I’m nervous about both the Marlins and the Nats. Not sure they’re better than us, but they’re certainly factors for the first time in years.

  5. 55
    Steve Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    We just traded Asencio to the Indians for cash. YES!!!!! I’m very excited about this move.

  6. 56
    David Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I initially hoped that the ascencio trade would add some payroll flexibility to acquire an OF (like Byrd), but I doubt the money received for a 1-inning minor league reliever will make much of a difference.

    Looks like Heyward has got it coming together. Good to see that happening!

  7. 57
    Curt Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    In more news, Braves are selling old equipment this weekend at a team yard sale. Details also available on Craig’s List.

  8. 58
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Steve, I didn’t get the idea they were ‘rarin’ to go’ so much as they were hot and tired of ST. But that’s the interpretation given to the quotes by the announcers, so maybe he had it wrong.

  9. 59
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    *he = they.

  10. 60
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Ascencio for cash was a lame move. What the heck? Are we THAT tight for cash? Guy was valuable. My goodness this organization is puzzling.

  11. 61
    Curt Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    As Gearrin gets shelled, again.

  12. 62
    Steve Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    #61 – Yeah, Gearrin falling apart and yet there’s no other choice for the bullpen. He’ll get a slot by default. Damn, the Vizcaino injury is a big blow.

  13. 63
    Kate Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    I was at the game today and Gearrin couldn’t find the strike zone and when he did it was hit hard. The homer by Heyward was amazing, he crushed it.

  14. 64
    David Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    As much as I think Medlen’s arm is needed in the bullpen (especially with Gearrin heading there), I think that they should go with Medlen in the 5th spot and move Delgado to the ‘pen.

    In explaining the Ascencio move, Wren said that they did it b/c he didn’t really fit with what they want from that last spot — he said that Ascencio is a one-inning guy, and they want a guy who could go for multiple innings if needed. Medlen fits that, but now that Delgado has been stretched out, he could fit that as well.

  15. 65
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    I’d rather Delgado start. Just take a deep breath every fifth game and hope for the best. Meanwhile, Medlen + O’Flaherty + Venters + Kimbrel in the pen makes every single game seem winnable, and without overtaxing them. If we have a shaky Delgado in the pen, Venters can go ahead and put Dr. Andrews on speed dial.

    I personally wish they’d split up the big three and make it a BP rotation of:

    Medlen in the 8th, Kimbrel in the 9th

    then the next day,

    O’Flaherty in the 8th, Venters in the 9th.

    The other guys could take the 7th inning, and 6th when pressed.

  16. 66
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Do you know who I miss? Jeff Francoeur. I swear I do. I honestly miss the guy. I’m not sure what to make of it.

  17. 67
    Leah Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Are you off your mess again? Kate…so jealous! Even with a loss bet it was fun.

  18. 68
    Walker Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Medlen is more valuable in the bullpen as he can affect more games that way. Lack of bullpen depth killed us last year.

  19. 69
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    I wish I was off my mess.

  20. 70
    Leah Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Hehe…stupid auto correct.

  21. 71
    Steve Says:
    March 29th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    #69 – Hilarious.

    Yeah, I even more strongly believe that Medlen is a greater asset in the BP. There’s going to be plenty of short starts this year – he will take a lot of pressure off the other guys.

  22. 72
    Curt Says:
    March 30th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Don’t we have Christian Martinez to be another long reliever? Do we need 3 long relievers on the team? I’ve never heard of such a thing. And if that’s the case, put Buddy Carlyle on the roster. I’d rather him, and send Delgado to AAA. Let Medlen have a couple of starts until Hudson gets back and then put him in the pen too.

  23. 73
    Steve Says:
    March 30th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I think the Delgado starts also serve the purpose of getting him more reliable for the rotation in the long term. Assuming he stays healthy, JJ will likely be gone at midyear. We need a reliable Delgado.

  24. 74
    Bubdylan Says:
    March 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    #73, agreed 100%. The whole plan is built around trading Jurrjens for something decent, and for that we need one of the youngsters to get ready.

  25. 75
    Curt Says:
    March 30th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    “decent” good one. Our good friend Cash

    Come on down to Crazy Frank’s Barnfire. Everything must GOOOOOOOO!

    You want an over-hyped rookie sensation? We got plenty of them. How about a #3? Yours for the taking. If you’ve got cold hard cash to offer, we’ll even throw in Homer.

    All offers subject to public ridicule. Sale ends July 31, 2012.

    So come on down to Crazy Frank’s. Our asking price is so low, you will think we are INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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