Show #177: Braves Spring Training Wrap-Up with David O’Brien
DOB talks Juan Francisco, areas of concern, the SS position, the NL East and the greatness of Chipper. Also, our 2012 predictions.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 am
great show as always but u forgot to do lines for next week! i know its only like 4 games but i have them going 2-2
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 am
Division Winners:
Marlins
Cubs
Diamondbacks
Wild Cards:
Phillies
Reds
World Series: Yankees sweep the Marlins
In short, a horrible, horrible year for baseball.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
Carlos, great point. I ‘ll say 2 – 1 for the first week. Although I’m a little concerned about facing 2 lefties and a knuckleballer to start the season.
April 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 am
Good show, I forgot to say.
Chipper = wayyy under 100 games, IMO.
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 am
Divizion winners
East- Braves, Yankees
Central- Cardinals, Tigers
West- D-Backs, Rangers
Wild Cards
NL-Phillies, Nationals
AL-Angels,Rays
Playoffs- Nationals beat Phillies
Braves beat Cardinals
D backs beat Nationals
Braves beat D- Backs
Angels beat Rays
Yankees beat Tigers
Angels beat Rangers
Yankees beat Angels
CHAMPION
Braves beat Yankees
April 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
Oh Walker, let it be so. Because the only thing sweeter than a Braves championship would be beating the Yankees to get it.
April 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
I am going 3-0 this week. You heard me.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
2-1
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Great show, guys.
Offense: I’m pretty excited about our potential first five in the lineup:
Bourn, Prado, Mac, Uggla, Freeman. To me, as long as those 5 guys contribute consistently and all 5 have the year they are capable of having, then whatever we get from Chipper, Heyward, and Pastornicky is gravy. The bench is what scares me. I fear the Sunday lineup and just giving away day games after night games. It’s going to be so close this year in the division and wild card race, so the Braves cannot just be dismissive about games/losing anymore. That’s what frustrated me most about the collapse. The arrogant attitude of, “Oh it’s no big deal. We’re still 10 1/2 up in the Wild Card.” There was no desire to catch the Phillies or fix the garbage play on the field.
Pitching: I like our bullpen a lot. I like Hanson, Beachy, Minor, and Hudson. Delgado seems like he can contribute more this year than Teheran. Who knows with JJ? I’m not all that excited about him dominating the Houston Astros.
NL Division Winners: Braves, Cardinals, Giants
Wild Cards: Phillies and Rockies
AL Division Winners: Yankees, Tigers, Rangers
Wild Cards: Rays and Angels
NL Cy Young: Clayton Kershaw
NL MVP: Dan Uggla
NL Manager of the Year: Mike Matheny
AL Cy Young: Verlander
AL MVP: Robinson Cano
AL Manager of the Year: Joe Maddon
April 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Oh, Nate. It certainly is time the Bravos had an MVP. That would work just fine.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I can see Uggla snagging the MVP, too. Superstar year seems, if not probable, at least very possible.
April 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I think he and Mac have a great shot if we take the East.
April 2nd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Yes yes yes #11. Bubnac the Magnificent has spoken.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Constanza gets last bench spot. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! I hope all you Constanza apologists enjoy his 2 for 12 in April.
April 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I thought for sure Parrazz was going to make the team. Wow. This team never ceases to amaze me.
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
#14, and enjoy, too, the 2 outs on failed hit & runs when Constanza gets on base those two times. Speed is why Fredi picked him, I’m sure. A running count on outs given away by Fredi would be enough to put me in a white jacket.
All this power in our line-up and we’ll be running into silly outs.
April 2nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Re Constanza: I’ve seen lots of good points about it that he’s already on the 40 man roster and will be sent down when Chipper returns from the DL. The other potential guys were NRI and would have had to be added to the 40 man for just this 10 day period. Doesn’t make much sense to do that.
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Ok i guess its Constanza by default. But Parrazz really impressed me. I hope we see him this year.
April 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Somewhere, Ham is hugging himself
April 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Meant to post this earlier today. Here’s the Press Release from the Braves about the Cristhian’s DUI:
Statement from the Atlanta Braves Regarding Cristhian Martinez
We were very concerned to learn of the arrest of Cristhian Martinez in Gwinnett County this morning. We will require him to be evaluated by an independent professional, as provided for in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Until we learn further details and have all the facts, we will withhold further comment at this time.
April 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I am so ready for baseball.
April 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
How in the world would the Cubs win the NL Central?
If you’re looking for a shocker, how about the Dodgers or Rockies winning the West? I just can’t see the Cubs finishing much better than .500, at best.
April 3rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
#22: Ham also thinks that Constanza will hit .550 in April (all infield singles, of course) and unseat Heyward as the right fielder for the remainder of the season.
April 3rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I give you this year’s Scott Linebrink:
ATLANTA – The Atlanta Braves today announced the signing of right-handed pitcher Chad Durbin to a one-year Major League contract. Financial terms of the deal were not announced. Durbin will wear uniform number 32.Durbin, 34, went 2-2 with a 5.53 ERA over 56 appearances last season for the Cleveland Indians. Over 12 Major League seasons, Durbin owns a 38-46 record with a 5.10 ERA in 364 appearances. Durbin was originally selected by the Kansas City Royals in the third round of the 1996 June free agent draft and has made Major League appearances for the Royals, Indians, Diamondbacks, Tigers and Phillies. The Braves have also re-assigned left-handed pitcher Yohan Flande to Triple-A Gwinnett.
April 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Good Lord Durbin’s lifetime stats are awful. How does he keep getting a job?
April 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
This is what kills teams. We get so starry eyed just because somebody is a veteran that we put talent to the side. I can count around 6 games that Proctor and Linebrink cost us last year. I wish him well though.
April 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
“Durbin will wear uniform number 32.” — WHAT?!?!?!!? The Braves are allowing someone else to wear MIKE HAMPTON’S number??!?
Yeah, Durbin is trash. Although he does have good NL numbers from pitching with Philly for three seasons before last year, so maybe, just maybe, that will carry over to Atlanta. Probably not, but perhaps. Also, I wasn’t at all excited about Flande, so at least it’s not a huge loss that Durbin is taking his place.
April 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Jorge Arangure Jr., Keith Law and AJ Mass are among the ESPN personalities who predict the Braves will win the National League pennant and reach the World Series.
April 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Chad Durbin? Good, good.
April 4th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
On BBTN last night (the 10pm edition) Curt Schilling wouldn’t go as far as to pick the Braves, but he said he wouldn’t be surprised if they went far.
On a side note, Curt Schilling looked like a bloated, dark circles under his eyes, mess. On the other side of that, he was pretty damn good on the show.
April 4th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
ESPN’s Keith Law has the Braves winning the Division and going to the World Series (but losing to the Rangers).
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/7769290/yu-darvish-cole-hamels-other-award-division-picks
I can’t read the article though because I don’t have Insider access. But he mentioned his prediction during the Baseball Today podcast.
April 4th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
LOL @ 30
April 5th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Dammit, people. I am excited about today! I get the feeling it’s going to be a rough first start for Santana today. And a beauty from Hanson.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Right there with you, Steve. Playin’ hooky today. Go Braves!
April 5th, 2012 at 11:03 am
To the tweet: I think Diaz has some pretty ridiculous stats against Santana. I thought it was weird first time I looked at it, though.
When was the last time we started a season with a legitimate leadoff man?
2 hours to go…
April 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Opening DAY! IN Philly today and all of the local sports talk guys are worried about the Phillies. Ha!
April 5th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Bourn
Prado
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Diaz
Heyward
Pastornicky
Cant wait until Chipper comes back. We are scoring some runs this year guys. Its the pitching that has me worried.
April 5th, 2012 at 11:47 am
@31 – Nothing revelatory. Picked the Braves to win the division with 90 wins.
“The Atlanta Braves have stars and depth in their rotation, one of the majors’ best bullpens, and a few breakout/bounceback candidates in the lineup (Dan Uggla and Jason Heyward in particular), but several incurable holes in the lineup and a lot of risk after that ‘pen was overworked last year.”
Doesn’t like the Nats, thinks the Marlins will be less than the sum of their parts, and says the Phillies don’t have enough offense.
April 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Is it a bad omen if Heyward has a first at bat homer this year? Is anyone watching for that?
April 5th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
#39. Nah, I’ll take the homer.
April 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Wonder if anyone has ever done it? (3 in a row)
April 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I would have taken the homer too…..
April 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Almost one time through the order, I gotta say that I like the approach the Braves are taking against Santana. They’re seeing a lot of pitches, making Santana work, not getting too anxious to make something happen — that’s with the exception of McCann and Diaz, who both made outs on the first pitch. But Mac did it after Bourn and Prado saw at least 5 pitches each, and he put a pretty good drive into one. Diaz…that guy just always swings at the first pitch.
April 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Looks like Tommy’s figured out a way to prevent potential base stealers: just pick their asses off!
April 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
#44 – No doubt. Loved it.
April 5th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Heyward failed to homer in his first plate appearance this season. Time to give Constanza a shot.
April 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
You have to pinch hit for Diaz right there.
April 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Fredi needs to be fired. Seriously. Im not joking. Seriously.
April 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
#48 – We’re not even through the first game yet. Give him a second.
April 5th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Fredi is an absolute, mouth-breathing, dirt-eating, cross-eyed moron.
WHAT a moron. I can NOT believe this guy is THE MANAGER OF MY BASEBALL TEAM. My GOD. Stop this madness already, Wren. FIRE THIS FREAKING DAMNED IDIOT. FIRE HIS ASS.
April 5th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Um, we could really do with Venters being a shut down guy again.
April 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Why in the world was Chad Durbin warming up in a 1 run game?
April 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
#52, It’s never too early save the bullpen apparently.
April 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
That sucked. Really the worst case scenario start for the team.
April 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
4 hits… time to look for a new hitting coach.
AGAINST THE METS!!!!!
April 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Yes the Braves offense sucked but not pinch hitting for Diaz and Constanza killed us. Thanks Fredi.
April 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
#56, absolutely.
April 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
…and now: a well-deserved day off.
April 5th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Good news: we (the ABT family) are back! I love the in game comments and all y’all.
Bad news: the Braves. Ugh.
April 5th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
#59. Good to be back too Ham, but man I wish we could have started with a win.
There goes the stat for the “1 run losses.”
April 5th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
At least Uggla had a hitting streak started. 1.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
#61: Actually, Uggla’s hitting streak carries over from the end of last season. He hit safely in the final game of the season, so his streak is at 2.
Prado hit safely in the final 3 games, so his streak is at 4.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Only A’s and Mariners players have hit homeruns so far this baseball season.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Oh, never mind. I’m a little late.
April 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Agree with you guys saying Diaz and Constanza should have been replaced by pinch hitters. Diaz vs RHP is a horrible matchup for the Braves 9 times out of 10. Apparently everyone knows this but Fredi Gonzalez.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
“Apparently everyone knows this but Fredi Gonzalez.”
That whole sentence should just be a key on every keyboard. And when you hit SHIFT, it types “Maybe next year.”
April 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
#66 – ha ha and boo hoo.
April 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
The Mets gave away one of their 9 remaining outs in the 7th inning with a sac bunt attempt and tried to help the Braves out. Fredi is not the only stupid manager in the majors. Backasswardness is just the nature of managers, I’ve come to believe.
April 6th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
It may have been the Mets but it was also Santana. #rosecoloredglasses
April 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Can we trade Fredi for Joe Maddon?
April 6th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
#70 yes, please.
April 6th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
I thought apart from failing to sign for Costanza to squeeze Pastornicky home, Fredi did a good job managing the game. That would’ve changed everything. I think we oughta give our guys a little more credit. Santana has always been an albatross for us, & we were able to knock him out due to a high pitch count early…I really wonder how our “advanced scouting position” will work out for us. We’ll only find that out when we face a pitcher we’ve never seen before. Oh ye of little faith, it was only the first game! #morerosecoloredglasses
April 7th, 2012 at 12:04 am
The only good thing Fredi did was that he pulled Hanson and brought in Medlen at the right time. Other than that he was horrible.
April 7th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Its a new day and I’m ready for the Braves to change the storyline on this season. Seems insane that this is in play for the second game of the season.
April 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I’m all for scoring a run or two. Put me down in that camp. The run scorers.
April 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Highlights so far . . . Um . . .
The games are going quickly?
April 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
That was me. Here’s a highlight -
I am trying to clean my house and watch the game at the same time, so I am only watching the braves ABs.
I am making a lot of progress on cleaning my house.
April 7th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Why not use Cristhian Mart instead of Durbin?
April 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Oh Fredi
April 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Looks like the Braves picked up where the left off last year. They have not won a game since 23 Sep 2011
April 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Sad.
April 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Braves sure were lucky to get Diaz back last year. Adding even more journeymen players at the end of spring training is also a plus. Now, they have almost too many clutch hitters. LOL. Doesn’t look like September was a fluke; the no hitting streak may continue for some time. Mediocre players equal mediocre team. Too many “ifs” to be a serious team. If Heyward and Prado can hit. If McCann will ever see the ball again. If a clown at third can fill in for Chipper. If Freeman can duplicate rookie year. If Prado can be a team player. If Uggla can be consistent. if anyone can hit with runners in scoring position. If anyone can produce anything from the shortstop position. If washed up pitchers can be the long relievers. If Fredi grows a brain and a pair.
They may stay close as the Braves will have the starters and closers (Need a lead to need closers); but, the good pitchers (along with Bourn) will all be looking to see how soon they can get on a team that scores runs and has a chance to win. Two games doesn’t make a season but if the two games look just like September, wouldn’t that be considered a contiuation of crappy hitting? Any bets on the Braves having a full house on opening day?
April 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Can’t believe I put this team down for 84 wins.
Haven’t watched or listened to any games yet and don’t plan to until Fred’s gone. I’ll keep up with ‘em here in the funny papers. Summer is too nice to waste on (current) Braves baseball.
April 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Anyone notice that 50% of the posts here are from 3 people?
April 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
#84….
You don’t know us very well do you??
April 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Z’at you, john j? We made it to another life already?
April 7th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I want my next job to be one where I make a lot of money producing a flawed product; and then convince everyone that the flaws are actually benefits just waiting to expose themselves properly.
April 7th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Curt, you’ll need shiny hair. Do you have shiny hair?
April 7th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Do shiny pants count?
April 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Even better.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
This is my last post on Fredi but what in the world was he thinking bringing in Durbin in a 1 run game. He of course gives up a homer. Who knows what different things can happen if a team is only down 1 run in the 9th. Why Durbin is even on a MLB team is beyond me.
April 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
…and this is why I didn’t renew my season tickets. Go Braves?
April 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Walker, that’s why adding a bad player like Constanza or Durbin to the Braves is nothing like adding one (or two) to a normal team. Fredi absolutely maximizes the damage done by the 24th and 25th best Brave week in and week out.
I swear we’re being trolled by MLB with this guy.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
@Bub
That’s exactly what he does. The only thing a manager can do is put his players in positions where they can succeed. Durbin suceeds in blowouts. Diaz succeeds against lefties and Constanza succeeds sitting on the bench. Let them do what they do best dammit.
April 7th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Wonder what sort of start would have to occur to get Fredi fired? I personally think it would once again have to be historic.
April 8th, 2012 at 12:34 am
#95, 10 games out of 1st might do it.
April 8th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Here’s a nice snapshot of the man in charge of your Bravos, courtesy of “leedawg” form Talking Chop:
Proctor made 38 appearances last year: once with a 2 run lead, 6 with a 1 run lead, 9 times when the game was tied, and twice when we were down by 1. 18/38, basically half of his appearances came when the game was in question, or one of our better pitchers should have thrown.
Linebrink made 64 appearances last year: 5 times with a 2 run lead, twice up one, 13 times in a tie game, and 10 times when we were down 1. 30/64 appearances, again, almost half, when the game was in question, or one of our better pitchers should have thrown.
Kimbrel made 13 appearances when we were either up by 4 or more, or losing.
Venters made 19 appearances when we were either up by 4 or more, or losing.
EOF made 22 appearances when we were either up by 4 or more, or losing.
That is how you run your best guys into the ground, and are then forced to pitch your two worst arms in critical situations
April 8th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Lets go back to the days when the best relievers were called firemen because they came into crucial situations no matter what the inning was and put fires out. Its kind of stupid to say our best reliever, Kimbrel for example can ONLY pitch in the 9th inning. It makes no sense. Id rather Kimbrel pitch in the 6th inning with runners in scoring position. Chad Durbin can have the 3 run save if he wants.
April 8th, 2012 at 8:08 am
#97- so true, and even though it seems indisputable, you know Frediot would spin it into something that was beyond his control. He seems so overmatched, it’s depressing.
Also, isn’t Frediot supposed to be a “by the book” kind of manager? If so, what book is he looking at? The Phantom Tollbooth? A Confederacy of Dunces? Someone give him a new book! Let’s start with Baseball for Dummies.
April 8th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
who remembers when we used to start the seasons with win streaks?
April 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Valley of sucktitude…
April 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Leaving Constanza in to hit in that first game, by the way, left the 25th best player on the Braves to bat in LITERALLY the highest leverage moment in the entire game, according to fangraphs.
April 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
And in that at-bat, Constanza struck out, flinging his bat at into the infield, on a pitch NINETEEN INCHES out of the strike zone.
April 8th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
This offense is wearing me out.
April 8th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Show the broken bat….. Yep that sums up our hitting
April 8th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Braves are going “80′s retro” with a bad team.
April 8th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
We’re going to get swept to start the season…by the Mets…and we might get no-hit while we’re at it.
Is it too early to be saying “Maybe next year”?
April 8th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Yes, with Bourn departing after this season and Fredi still managing, it is definitely too early to be saying “Maybe next year.”
(Do you see what I did there? 8) )
April 8th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Okay, so I had to peek at the game when I heard it was a no-hitter in progress. I see Fredi brought in Cristhian Martinez with a 5 run deficit after using Chad Durbin in a close game.
I mean, you can’t make this stuff up. Of course, Martinez laid an egg, but still…
April 8th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Remind me why it was that we are allowed to declare that we were better than the Mets?
April 8th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Game 3 of the season and I’m already hating baseball. I’m eating my weight in jelly beans.
April 8th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
We’re better than the Mets because they’re truly awful and this is just one series. But I’m not sure how much better we are.
April 8th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
You have to admit the Mets have a pretty good 1-2-3 in their rotation.
April 8th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
#113, that’s definitely their strength, but I’d look for a rough year at the plate and in the pen.
April 8th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Finally! Mac’s heating up…
April 8th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Swept by Mets. Even I didn’t see that happening.
April 8th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Happy Easter from the Braves.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkalu1UkjJ1qhq1pjo1_500.jpg
April 8th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
If I didn’t know better, I’d think the Braves were stuck here at the Denver airport with me all say! They’d have done a better job for sure.
April 8th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
So when was the last time Yankees, Red Sox, and Braves started 0-3?
April 8th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
At least a guy named Bubba won the Masters
April 8th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
#117 – Awesome.
It’s an absolute disaster, this start. No other way to couch it. Really terrible and very little to take from it in a positive light other than to say it’s early (the crutch of the desperate baseball fan).
April 8th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Steve, the only positive light is that they are still undefeated at home….
April 8th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
I too, am eating my weight in jelly beans, Leah. I am somehow still optimistic about this year’s team. A lot of the question marks, or festering ifs that I had a week ago are looking decent. I like the move that we have all been begging for, going after a right handed slugger, even if he is a wild card. I think this offense will heat up if we continue to see good at bats from Heyward, Uggla, and Prado. This is a talented team. Sure, we will lose plenty of games, but I still think we could get hot and compete with anyone’s 25.
April 8th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Just like last year’s Cards and he Giants before them. No one outside of their fan base was calling them the best team in April.
April 8th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Jeez, I’m so depressed about the Braves that I’m back here thinking that ABT will be more positive about the teams season than I am. Maybe FF will hit 100 HR’s this year…that would help.
April 8th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Bad news bears Cledus. Good news is misery loves company.
April 8th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Sigh…with that comforting thought, Leah, I’ll turn in and have dreams that we can’t be worse than the Mets AND the Astros…