Steve, I disagree about LBJ going to CHI. LBJ and Rose can’t both have the ball. That’s Rose’s team. These playoffs are entirely different if he doesn’t blow-out his knee. Nobody on the Heat can guard Rose. I think the 4th quarter of playoff games has proven you can make the King disappear.
LeBron should have gone to NYC and let the money build a team around him. He doesn’t need a smaller guy like Wade, he needs a big guy who can shoot, like Bosh, and a bunch of role players who can play D and rebound. Plus, it would have been great for the sport to have a dominant team in NY again. Too bad they have to settle for Melo and his bong.
How would you feel if Mac or Heyward went to the Phillies? Probably the way I felt when Glavine signed with the Mets. That’s why I agree with Cleveland still hating LeBron. Good for them. Being unreasonably passionate is what being a fan is all about. We’re nowhere near European soccer fans so don’t worry about it.
When you look at it from LeBron’s side, your supporting cast in CLE consisted of Illgauskas, Williams, and De. West, one of whom slept with LeBron’s Mom. Not exactly what you’re looking for to win a Title.
In that link, which is awesome, imo, is a little bit on the Lebronmenon (I just made that up, I swear it). I actually have an easy time rooting against the Heat, but I have a hard time rooting against Lebron. He seems like a pretty good natured guy, and by all accounts is a good teammate and an okay dude. Sure the Decision sucked and was contrived and immature and all that, but if you had spent 3 years hearing how you were going to be the biggest free agent EVER and how everyone in the world was waiting to see where you were going, might you be tempted to make a show of it? Especially if you have 1,000,000 people telling you what is best for you. And he was, what, 24 years old? 24!!!! I can’t even tell you what I was doing at 24 because I was either drunk or doing laundry at my parents house.
And all the arguments that “Magic, Bird, and Jordan” would have never done it “that way” sort of fly in the face of the logic that “all that matters is winning championships” which seems to be a common refrain from a LOT of players. Maybe Lebron looked around at NY/CHI and thought that if he chose those paths, he might just be joining another CLE situation in a bigger city.
Did he break every Ohioans heart? Absolutely. Did he do it without tact? It’s well documented. Is he a perfect human being? Is anyone?
(Having said that, for some reason I have come to hate Dwayne Wade, a player who I really liked when the Heat won their championship.)
Final thought (and this is covered in the Simmons/Gladwell article) – Jordan never EVER had the expectations on him that Lebron has had.
I don’t know why people act like Magic, Bird and Jordan played with scrubs. They all had Hall of Fame teammates. Worthy, McHale, Dennis Johnson, Parrish,Pippen, Jabbar. Scottie Pippen was one of the greatest defenders of all time. You can’t win alone.
And I hope I’m not offending anyone here, but wouldn’t you rather live in Miami instead of dusty Ohio.
To be clear, I have zero problem with Lebron leaving Cleveland. He did his time. It’s all in the way he did it. Not only the Decision, but not having a heart to heart with the front office who, by all accounts, made every concession to him that he asked for over the years AND offered him a ton of money to stay. Letting them and the city of Cleveland know about it on TV was the crime, not the leaving itself.
That sucks about JJ. 4 ER, 7 hits, 2 BBs and 3 SOs over 6.2. On the other hand, you could say without the one bad pitch (the homerun) he pitched a pretty good game. Who knows. I saw none of it, obviously.
@84, great point on the supporting casts for each player. MJ also played on the best or one of the best defensive teams in the league a lot of the times he won. I’m not that old, so I don’t really have any recollection of Magic or Bird’s teams, but judging by the starting lineups they both played with their share of HOFers. LeBron hasn’t had anywhere near the same talent around him.
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Of the suggested moves, what do you like/not like and why?
1. Trade for Carlos Quentin
2. Call Up Julio Teheran and Send Down Mike Minor
3. Trade for Joe Saunders (Ari)
4. Deal for K-Rod (Mil)
5. Get Seth Smith and Grant Balfour from Oakland
6. Trade for Brandon League (Sea)
7. Acquire Shawn Camp (ChiC)
8. Trade for Chase Headley (SD)
9. Get Marlon Byrd (Designated for assignment by Bos)
10. Fire Fredi Gonzalez (I am sure this one will be popular )