June 17, 2012

Show #188: Losses and Injury Mark the Braves’ Week

Breaking down the Medlen/Minor/Beachy/JJ madness.  Looking back at the Yankees series.  And the Derek Lowe/Dusty Baker feud.



131 Responses to “Show #188: Losses and Injury Mark the Braves’ Week”

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    Nate Says:

    Great show in tough times, fellas. Hang in there. I don’t think there is a wrong answer in the Medlen debate. I have always thought he was a starter, but he doesn’t have any wow factor to his game. I think that makes him a long reliever in most baseball people’s eyes. The use of Medlen as a pro has been short-sighted, imo. He is able to contribute effectively as a reliever, but I think he’s a one of our top 2 starters if he is allowed to start on a regular basis. He is, over his career, our most consistent pitcher not named Tim Hudson, imo.

    In the end, both the starting pitching and relief pitching are a complete dumpster fire. So, can we clone Medlen like 3 or 4 times over? Imo, no wrong answer, I’m sure people with the time will bring us the de facto stats on the subject later today.

  2. 2
    Nate Says:

    “Does Dusty Baker eat BBQ before every game?”
    Quite possibly the best quote of the 2012 ABT season. Again, great job in trying times. Ham, you should apologize to BP Frank again for that impersonation.

    Cheers for the Lowe stuff :)

    Steve: “Any other good signs?”
    Ham: “It’s over?”

    Pure awesomeness.

  3. 3
    Nate Says:

    Curt, in fairness to your pulling for the Dutch, they looked really terrible for all but 15 minutes of this tournament. Talk about a team that hates each other and can’t play D. The coach benches his Captain for the final match, which was deserved, but the Captain also happens to be his Son-In-Law. Talk about some drama. I predict a lot of turnover for the Dutch. In that sport they’re never afraid to clean house.

  4. 4
    Walker Says:

    Allegedly it has been known that Derek Lowe allegedly has a drink allegedly every now and then…………………………allegedly.

    That’s just what I’ve heard. I have no evidence though.

  5. 5
    Walker Says:

    He also allegedly throws a sinker and he has allegedly played for the Boston Red Sox. That’s just what they tell me.

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    Curt Says:

    In all fairness to the Dutch, I was rooting for them. They had no shot. I just can’t root for the flashy teams like Italy and Spain. And the Germans. They’re the Germans.

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    Nate Says:

    #6, agree with all of it. We break the tournament down into 4 categories: favorites, contenders, underdogs, and cinderella. Our favorites were the Germans, Spain, and Netherlands, and I took the Dutch this time around in spite of your warning.

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    Shaun Says:

    I think Jurrjens is maybe a slight step up from Livan. But I also don’t know if Kris Medlen would be a savior in the rotation. Seems to me like a decent number three or a solid number four.

    I’m thinking they’ll use the next 3 weeks as a tryout. If Jurrjens can’t cut it, they’ll go with Medlen or perhaps even Redmond.

    Redmond is being overlooked but he misses bats perhaps better than Medlen or Jurrjens. Unlike someone like Carlyle, Redmond has been a exclusively a starter all season. Redmond’s control has been awesome too, albeit in Triple-A, but still.

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    Shaun Says:

    If you’ll allow me to slip in to the podcast, ex post facto….

    I don’t pay much attention to minor league ERA. I just want to know if a pitcher is missing bats, is not walking people and is keeping the ball in the park.

    I look at strikeout rates, walks rates and homer rates even more so with minor league pitchers than with major leaguers because it seems reasonable to view minor league defenses as significantly worse. So pitchers are much more susceptible to hits on batted balls than in the big leagues and therefore possibly higher ERA’s.

  10. 10
    Steve Says:

    If the pattern holds, the Braves will have a good week. Anyone believe it? Anyone believe the Braves go .500 this week?

  11. 11
    Adam Says:

    I’m saying we go 4-2. 1-2 against the Yankees and sweep the Sox. I’m hoping Freeman coming back gives our offense a boost and that our starting pitching keeps dominating (Our starting pitchers have the 2nd best ERA in baseball this month).

    Fingers crossed!

  12. 12
    Chris Says:

    People who want Medlen in the bullpen are admitting Fredi can’t manage a bullpen without a crutch aka a guy he can plug in without thinking about match-ups. It says more about Fredi than anything else.

    Bullpen guys are just not as valuable as starters. Its a simple numbers game. Starters pitch a lot more innings. Thinking those innings are not as valuable is simply a fallacy.

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    Walker Says:

    I absolutely cannot believe the Braves would allow the Yankees to sweep them again so I’m thinking we at least win one and we at least win 2 in Boston.

    I’m in The camp that says that Medlen stays in the Bullpen. I go back and forth on it but until Fredi learns how to properly use Kimbrel we need another reliable arm that can affect multiple games a week instead of one. We have plenty of starters but not enough reliable bullpen arms.

  14. 14
    DAP Says:

    one of the best shows y’all have ever done. some heated debate…i like it.

    also, it wasnt overly negative, which was surprising. there was concern, but not panic, which is the correct reaction, in my opinion.

  15. 15
    Curt Says:

    DAP! Thanks for the love, brother

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    Curt Says:


  17. 17
    Curt Says:

    Maybe not

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    Walker Says:


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    Bubdylan Says:

    The suck runs deep.

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    Steve Says:

    Wow. Just saw the Beachy news. It’s getting kind of grim around here. Sorry, Dap.

  21. 21
    Pure Says:

    I saw a comment about Fredi tipping his hat to Dr. Andrews. Hilarious and sad.

  22. 22
    Curt Says:

    Braves starting pitchers had a 2.50 ERA in June before Monday, second in the majors to the Yankees’ 1.97. But while the Yankees were 13-2 for the month, the Braves were just 7-7.

    Atlanta’s starters were 0-4 during the team’s 1-5 stretch before Monday, during which Atlanta’s starters had a .189 opponents’ average that ranked sixth in the majors during that period.

  23. 23
    Nate Says:

    #22, maybe I should retract my “the starting pitching is a dumpster fire” comment. Bub, to your point about taking a break from the team, I have most definitely done that. I have rarely missed games when I’ve had the opportunity to watch, but I find that it’s becoming easier and easier to miss games and not care in the Fredi Gonzalez era, especially when it comes to a Monday game. I bought a 12 game ticket deal this year, and it’s looking like I’m going to have to force myself down to Turner Field. Traveling to a game from out of town is hard to rationalize these days with this team.

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    DAP Says:

    yeah the beachy news is bad, but we still have capable starters, and a very good offense. (really…im not kidding)

    i think making the playoffs is a very reasonable expectation for the braves. even as bad as they have been playing the last few weeks, they are within a game of getting one of the NL wildcard spots. they just need to hang on in june.

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    Shaun Says:

    It just seems like the Braves are one short in all areas. They need one more bat, one more starter, one more reliever and I would feel much better about things. And I don’t think they need some star-level players in these areas. Just someone a little above average in each area that can kind of keep things flowing. It seems like the team is just thin enough to make things difficult.

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