July 08, 2012

Show #191: The Braves Bittersweep Ending to the First Half

The Simmons injury, Venters to the DL, the starting pitchers in the Braves’ sights, 1st half review and 2nd half predictions.



159 Responses to “Show #191: The Braves Bittersweep Ending to the First Half”

  1. 1
    Bubdylan Says:

    I agree; no way you go for a SS by trade unless a slight upgrade comes open for a slight package. Simmons looks like a real, possibly light-hitting, SS for permanent. Just ride it out.

    I agree with Curhammy (I’m tired of rewinding the podcast to find out who I agree with; you guys sound exactly alike) that Venters is at least a bit injured.

    Greinke is my pick, go for it.

    Also agree with Curhammy about Walker, and glad to hear somebody remember to credit the hitting coach, since we blame them when it’s bad.

    Michael Bourn and Craig Kimbrel = MVP’s.

    Minor & Venters = LVP’s

    I CAN say Fredi is stupid. Fredi is stupid.

    Favorite moment: the Rays series. Dodgers series also way up there. For more isolated moments, pick any from Kimbrel’s most dominating closes.

    BTW, I TOLD you guys that St. Louis and other baseball rich cities would honor Chipper & you said they wouldn’t. :) I know he’s had less attention in Atlanta than he would in NY or Cali, but you guys do know he’s a big deal in baseball, right?

    I have no idea how to predict Ben Sheets. Fingers crossed.

    Venters: no. He’s cooked. :( Fredi should be kicked in the face.

    Moylan was such a long shot/ lighting in the bottle guy, it’s hard to be optimistic. I predict he lands with a thud.

    Kimbrel gets the All Star save, yes. If Chipper has an All Star moment, I’ll poop with joy.

    Great show.

  2. 2
    Bubdylan Says:

    (And yes, I disparage Chipper a lot to be acting like he’s my man now or whatever. But it’s hard to keep a bad attitude towards him. Maybe he’ll pull a Smoltz at the end and make it easier.)

  3. 3
    Walker Says:

    According to WAR the MVPs and LVPs are:

    MVP- by a long shot Michael Bourn. 3.9 WAR. Excellent defense.

    LVP-According to WAR its Pastornicky with a WAR of -1.6

    Dan Uggla according to WAR has been more valuable than Freeman and McCann in the 1st half with Freeman being the worst.

    But my LVB(Least Valuable Brave) is Fredi. He has at a minimum cost the Braves 2 wins.

  4. 4
    Walker Says:

    Remember when we traded for Rey Sanchez when Furcal went down a long time ago?

    Maybe there is a Rey Sanchez type out there. Cheap veteran with Solid defense with a decent bat. I’m too sleepy to think of anybody right now.

  5. 5
    Ham Says:

    As always Bub, if you agree (Fair) it’s me, if you disagree (Foul), it’s Curt.

  6. 6
    Curt Says:

    And we prefer “Hamurt”

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    David Says:

    I would love to get Greinke, but the whole extension thing is a bit too unpredictable for me. I think that if he goes to free agency (and there’s no reason why he wouldn’t choose to do so), he could command at least $18 million (if not more), and I don’t know if the Braves would do that.

    2nd half hopes:

    Over the rest of the season, JJ goes 6-3 with an ERA near 3.40. We trade him (and maybe a prospect) in the offseason to Minnesota for Josh Willingham.

    Chipper avoids the DL.

    Uggla his at least 15 HR the rest of the season. His season low is 27 (rookie year), and if he at least matches that, I’ll be happy.

    Heyward finishes the season with an average above .280 and at least 20 HR.

    Simmons’ injury really frightens me. I think his presence affected everybody — pitchers were pitching with more confidence, it boosted other players on the field, etc. I’m really concerned that Pastornicky’s poor defense and Wilson’s poor offense will be a liability for however long Simmons is out.

    Of the remaining 77 games, we have 39 home, 38 away. We have a losing home record now, but we have a chance to turn it around, including a 10-game homestand vs the Phillies, Marlins, and Astros. I think that our 2nd half schedule looks favorable, but I’m not exactly sure of the numbers…are there any ESPN Insiders that can share with us how Buster Olney ranks the Braves’ second half?

  8. 8
    Curt Says:


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    Shaun Says:

    David, yeah, I think if they trade for Greinke, they have to go all out to sign him and it likely means this season is it for Bourn (could be anyway).

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    Bubdylan Says:

    It is reckoned by some that Greinke rejected around 17 mil from the Brewers. That makes me want to walk away.

    I want Bourn badly. Teheran or Delgado may eventually give us Greinke’s production. There is nothing, that I can see, within our grasp to replace Bourn. Rather have him than McCann.

  11. 11
    Steve Says:

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  12. 12
    Steve Says:

    @10 – I agree Bub. I also really want Dempster for the remainder of the year.

  13. 13
    Steve Says:

    Here’s the Press Release from the Bravos on Simmons:

    ATLANTA – The Atlanta Braves announced today that rookie shortstop Andrelton Simmons will be placed on the 15-day disabled list after injuring the small (pinky) finger on his right hand yesterday at Philadelphia.Today Dr. Gary Lourie examined Simmons and confirmed that he has a non-displaced fracture of the fifth metacarpal in his right hand. Simmons’ hand will be placed in a cast for four weeks. Once the cast is removed he will be re-evaluated to determine the next phase of treatment. No timetable for his return has been set. Named the National League’s Rookie of the Month for June, the 22-year-old Simmons is batting .296 (34-for-115) with 13 runs scored, three home runs, seven doubles and 15 RBIs in 33 games for the Braves. Since making his debut on June 2, he has posted 10 multi-hit games and has played stellar defense.Selected by Atlanta in the second round (70th overall) of the 2010 First-Year Player Draft, Simmons became the first Braves player from the 2010 draft class to reach the majors. A corresponding roster move will not be announced until at least Thursday (July 12). The Braves open the second half of the 2012 season on Friday (July 13) against the New York Mets (7:35 p.m.).

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    Folks, “non-displaced fracture” is a best case senario here with a fracture. A cast for a few weeks then back on track. NO SURGERY!! No need to trade for someone.

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    Walker Says:

    I can’t believe I’m saying this but…..

    Cody ransom and John McDonald sound great.

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    DAP Says:

    Great Show guys. I say no Grienke. No SP at all, actually. I would go for Chase Headly and Huston Street from the Padres and be done with it. Minor would be traded in the deal, with Medlen going to the rotation. I think in the end, Medlen would give you similar results to Minor, this season anyways. Street gives you another bullpen ace.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    DAP, are we supposed to go up against other teams’ top three starters in the playoffs with Hanson, Hudson, and _________?

    Stevie, Dempster makes more and more sense. I wonder if Hammels & Greinke being on the market will keep Dempster more affordable (prospect-wise) than he would be otherwise.

  18. 18
    Bubdylan Says:

    (#17, obviously that’ll drive Dempster’s price down, what I really mean is I wonder if it’ll drive it down to something kind of painless … Gilmartin-centered package?)

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    DAP Says:

    Bub, i think Hudson and Hanson is a pretty good 1 2, personally. As far as #3, many teams have just ok guys going in that spot. I don’t really think the Braves HAVE to have a SP to make the playoffs, and I don’t think they HAVE to have one to do well in the playoffs.

    Trading for that type of SP right now is just a price I’m not willing to pay. Another great bullpen arm and a solid bat instead of Juan Fransisco, and I think we have something cooking. If we do the trade I mentioned, we will also have out 3B next year for cheap and will only have to worry about re signing Michael Bourn.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, I generally bow to the DAP-knowledge, but while Hanson and Hudson are a fine pair, there’s not a real ace in there, and to go without a real ace AND with a #3 pitcher as doubtful as Jurrjens or one of the rookies, sounds like a one-and-done deal to me.

    Wren’s original goal for this team was a starting-rotation-centered ballclub. I can’t see him standing pat with the mess we’re in, even with the good offense.

    Also, as bad as I want to go all in for Bourn, I doubt that is Atlanta’s plan, and I expect they are resigned to losing him. So I doubt that saving money for that purpose is in Atlanta’s strategy for midseason moves.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    If you value Quality Starts at all, here’s the bad news (courtesy of NESKLOF on the mlb.com board):

    Hanson 9
    Beachy 8
    Hudson 7
    Minor 5
    Delgado 5
    Jurrjens 2

    Zimmerman 15
    Strasburg 13
    Gonzalez 12
    Jackson 10
    Detwiler 4

    Dickey 14
    Gee 12
    Niese 11
    Santana 10
    Young 4

    Buehrle 12
    Johnson 12
    Sanchez 12
    Zambrano 10
    Nolasco 10

    Hamels 12
    Worley 10
    Halladay 8
    Lee 8
    Blanton 8

    And even if you hate that stat (I’m indifferent to it really), it shows we need help. Not only are we blown away by the other rotations, but 8 of our measley 36 QS’s are in a busted elbow.

  22. 22
    Curt Says:

    And our bullpen kind of sucks

  23. 23
    Walker Says:

    Our bullpen hasn’t really been that bad

  24. 24
    Curt Says:

    Read “kind of”

  25. 25
    Curt Says:

    This is pretty sweet.


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    Steve Says:

    @14 – Excellent. Thanks for that.

    The bullpen has concentrated areas of suckiness. Two of them are gone (Venters and Livan), Durbin seems solid but can be scary, EOF has settled in really nicely but seems incredibly fragile and Cristhian is fair.

  27. 27
    DAP Says:

    bub, i like the quality start stat, but im less concerned with that than i am the W-L. braves are 2nd in the division right now and 4 games back.

    im just not completely convinced we need a starter. doesnt mean ill be upset if we get one, but even if we do, it wont be an ace. and, if it wont be an ace…should we bother?

    SPs we would get would more than likely be guys like McCarthy, Dempster, or Wandy.

  28. 28
    Steve Says:

    @27 – And, just to repeat myself, I think that Dempster would have a huge positive impact on the starting rotation.

    Speaking of which (and, keep in mind, I was convinced that Livan would be great for us this year), Sheets has only walked one guy in his two starts and his velocity has topped out at 93. I think he may be good until the inevitable season ending injury.

  29. 29
    Curt Says:

    The numbers back up all their assertions. The 22-year-old Simmons has changed the defensive culture of the Braves’ infield.

    In the first two months of the season, the Braves went with Tyler Pastornicky over Simmons at shortstop, and the results weren’t good. According to the advanced metrics provided by Baseball Info Solutions, Pastoricky’s defense cost the Braves 15 runs. Most significantly, the Braves’ infield defense was a sieve. It allowed hitters to reach on 28 percent of their ground balls.

    That changed immediately. In Simmons’ first three games, the Braves converted outs on 23 of 27 ground balls, and Simmons helped turn three double plays. That success rate held through the entire month. Simmons has been credited with 10 defensive runs saved already, an impressive total for a single month.

    The Braves’ infield allowed hitters to reach on 21 percent of ground balls. Simmons was involved in 22 double-play opportunities and converted 20 (that’s about six better than what the average shortstop converts).

  30. 30
    Curt Says:

    That above should all be in quotes.

  31. 31
    Curt Says:

    And made me throw up a little

  32. 32
    DAP Says:

    I wouldn’t cry about getting Dempster, I’m just saying, if you think he will lead MLB in ERA by the end of the season, I’ve got beachfront in Kansas for you. I think he could help, I’m just not sure he is worth trading for. We would have to give up players and pay the guy.

  33. 33
    Shaun Says:

    I could get behind a Dempster trade. I think he may be the best option out there, of all the guys Steve, Curt and Ham named, once we consider contracts and what it would take to get them, etc.

    I don’t think anyone expects Dempster to lead the majors in ERA. At worst, he’s a solid back-end-of-the-rotation guy. He’s probably more like a solid mid-rotation guy.

    The good thing about Dempster is that he’s older and his contract expires after the season, so the price probably wouldn’t be too high in a trade. That’s also bad news, as plenty of other teams will likely be in on him for those reasons.

  34. 34
    David Says:

    I’m with you Steve — I’d really like Dempster. He’s a veteran who’s having a great year and would give, I think, a string of solid performances. I’d really like to get Greinke, but it seems like there’s an awful lot of risk there — having to trade prospects, no assurance of having him beyond 2012, he’s a bit of a head case, he’s had several bad starts lately.

    I thought about an alternative method of fan voting for the All-Star Game: instead of having the fans vote for each starting position player, have the fan voting determine one player from each team, pitchers included. You satisfy the (rather stupid) rule of “each team must be represented,” and the fan base of each team gets to send one player to the ASG. That would take care of 15 players, and the managers and players can determine the remaining ones, and the manager gets to choose which players start the game.

    Now, I know that there are pitfalls to this system, and MLB would never do it for several reasons — it could divide a team’s fan base, there could be too many players from the same position selected, etc — but I’m trying to think of some other way to do the fan involvement with the ASG. Frankly, I think the current method isn’t great, and as a Braves fan, I’m embarrassed that Uggla is starting 2B tonight, and I don’t think the fans should select the starters in a game that means something. So, I guess that the easy fix is: make the ASG simply an exhibition, not a game that determines homefield advantage.

  35. 35
    will Says:

    Hey Steve, Curt and Ham – kudos to you guys for pumping out this site week in and out despite having busy real lives. This year I havent been able to watch many games but I always check this site. Go braves!

  36. 36
    will Says:

    and you too, Bub!

  37. 37
    will Says:

    “thanks” that is, not “go”…

  38. 38
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Get Brendan Ryan from the Mariners.

    He can probably be had for next to nothing (losing his position) and his pay is cheap (1.75M).

    He is what we we assumed we would get when we brought up Simmons, i.e. “good defense, anything we get at the bat is gravy”…

    –He is reportedly better defensively than Wilson
    –is four years younger then Wilson
    –should be at least as good at bat (with some potential to be better w/ change of scenery – i.e. to a contending team)
    –while most of his games were at short, he has played 2nd & 3rd
    — .974 fielding SS 2011, .994 SS 2012 (Wilson: .983 SS 2011, .986 SS 2012)

    When Simmons returns, the Braves can release Wilson and have Ryan as the defensive replacement on the bench…

  39. 39
    Bubdylan Says:

    #37, :)

    Thanks, Will. Come around as often as you can.

  40. 40
    Bubdylan Says:

    A good band name: The Dalemurphies.

  41. 41
    Walker Says:

    I’m not so sure Brendan Ryan comes so cheap because he has alot of value defensively.

  42. 42
    Walker Says:

    Chipper will definitely get a hit today. The NL will win. Kimbrel closes it out.

  43. 43
    Bubdylan Says:

    The All Star game is TODAY? I’m on the internet 17 thousand times a day and I missed that? I need a summer job.

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    Curt Says:


  45. 45
    Bubdylan Says:

    Come on, Uggla. Knock in Sandoval.

  46. 46
    Bubdylan Says:

    His name… is Dannnnnn UGGLAAAHHH!!!!

  47. 47
    Bubdylan Says:

    I wouldn’t leave Uggla in the field with a 5-0 game. He slumped his way into the game anyway, and he’s been up and gotten his hit. Oh well, fingers crossed.

  48. 48
    David Says:

    Chipper’s pregame speech was pretty awesome, but did Bryan LaHair have to be sitting like that?

  49. 49
    Bubdylan Says:

    Oh, man, poor Verlander. Next guy shuts ‘em down with 8 pitches.

  50. 50
    Bubdylan Says:

    Heh, and the guy after that shuts ‘em down with 7 pitches.

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    Leah Says:

    Dan Uggla had a play and got an out instead of making an error! Most improved all star appearance EVER!

  52. 52
    Bubdylan Says:

    Dear Baseball Gods,

    If Melky can go be good for somebody else, Francisco can be good for us.



  53. 53
    Kate Says:

    I’m still bitter about Melky getting in shape after he left the Braves. Why couldn’t he dedicate himself to the game when he was traded to the Braves?

  54. 54
    Mark in Memphis Says:


    Yeah, but he lost his job on July 4 to a guy hitting .194 in 60 at bats…

    Not sure if it is permanent. He is hitting .187 on the year (.231 in his last 7 days).

  55. 55
    Leah Says:

    So glad the good guys are winning but it chaps my hide that Melky Cabrera homered in the all star game.

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    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Guess they should have Chipper give a talk every year…

  57. 57
    Leah Says:

    How funny… Looks like I’m in good company. Note to self …refresh before posting comment.

  58. 58
    Bubdylan Says:

    It just occurred to me how funny it is this is happening in Kansas City.

  59. 59
    Leah Says:

    “Right now, I’ve got Braun and Cabrera running neck-and-neck for MVP. Other nominees?”

    Buster’s tweet. Just shoot me.

  60. 60
    Bubdylan Says:

    The real MVP is Cain for SF. Very important to shut ‘em down like that after jumping out to a lead.

  61. 61
    Bubdylan Says:

    Bryce Harper is going to be good at baseball.

  62. 62
    Bubdylan Says:

    … some day.

  63. 63
    Bubdylan Says:

    Well, Dan hit .333, no K’s and no errors.

  64. 64
    Leah Says:

    I bet Chip almost bawled like a baby.

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    Bubdylan Says:


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    David Says:

    59 & 60 — What about Uggla!?!?!?! The dude got an rbi single in the first!

    Chipper got a hit!! #thanksfornotdivingkinsler

  67. 67
    Bubdylan Says:

    no injury on the basepaths no injury on the basepaths no injury on the basepaths no injury on the basepaths no injury on the basepaths….

  68. 68
    Curt Says:

    So much for Kimbrel’s save

  69. 69
    Steve Says:

    #51 and #52 – Awesome

  70. 70
    Steve Says:

    In all seriousness, don’t you think that Ian Kinsler didn’t really try too hard to field that ball Chipper hit?

  71. 71
    Leah Says:

    It’s go time.

  72. 72
    Bubdylan Says:

    Sit DOWN, American League Scum!!

  73. 73
    Bubdylan Says:

    Thanks for not diving, now SIT DOWN as well, American League Scum!!!

  74. 74
    Bubdylan Says:

    Oh, Craig!!! So proud I’m busting!!!!

  75. 75
    Leah Says:

    Pft…Chapman. Whatev.

  76. 76
    Steve Says:

    @74 – Agreed. The fastball and the devastating curve. He could not have looked better.

  77. 77
    Leah Says:

    Remember last year when Venters was so lights out?

  78. 78
    Kate Says:

    I really wanted to see Kimbrel face Trout.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    I was a bit worried about Craig, just because of the temptation for the 100 MPH guys to amp it up to the max (see Verlander, Justin) in the ASG and miss their spots. But he was perfect. Seriously, almost as thrilled with that performance as McCann’s game-winner. Not quite, but almost.

  80. 80
    Leah Says:

    Dude’s hat is stupid.

  81. 81
    Bubdylan Says:

    This will make you sick. How could we be locked into a tv deal this bad?


  82. 82
    Curt Says:

    And for 30 years or something. Ruinous

  83. 83
    Bubdylan Says:

    Good show, NL. Whipped ‘em. I think we’re in their heads ever since McCann.

  84. 84
    Walker Says:

    Yeah! Game 7 of the World Series will be at Turner Field.

  85. 85
    Nate Says:

    The team with home field advantage has won 21 of the last 26 WS and 9 straight game 7s.

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    Steve Says:

    @85 – Nice.

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    Curt Says:


  88. 88
    Walker Says:

    Buster onley just tweeted about the possibility of a Prado for Justin Upton trade.

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    Curt Says:


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    ham Says:

    @88 – i am sure smarter people than me know this answer, but why would we even consider that? Prado is arguably our best player right now. We need pitching.

  91. 91
    Steve Says:

    @88 – Just saw his tweet. Sounds like a great deal of stuff made up in his head because it makes sense to him.

  92. 92
    Steve Says:

    @91 – gives us a center fielder next year when we lose Bourn.

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    Curt Says:

    I like Steve commenting to Steve

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    Curt Says:

    @93 Good point Curt. You are awesome

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    Frigatedoc Says:

    How do you think that makes Prado feel to hear he may be on the block again.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    #91-94 made my day.

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    Leah Says:

    #90 brought a tear to my eye. You’ve come a long way Hammy. Look at-cha…all grown up.

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    Shaun Says:

    In a vacuum, I think Prado for Upton is a no-doubter for the Braves. The only thing is that the Braves would still need to find a thirdbaseman next year and there is no guarantee at all that Upton outplays Prado this year.

    If the Braves could get a solid, cheap, young thirdbaseman in the deal, maybe it works. But I don’t think the D-Backs have one of those. Or if they could do a deal without including Prado, that would be nice. But the Diamondbacks are loaded with young pitchers, so they would likely want position players for Upton.

    I read somewhere that all the Upton trade talk is just an attempt to motivate him. Could also be just to see if a team would blow them away with an offer. Who knows?

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    Anne Says:

    As we head into the 2nd half, with so much MORE Chipper chat about to happen – apologies for asking this if it’s been asked before…I think the Braves went to the post-season in Chipper’s rookie year (199…3??). Assuming we go this year, his last, is he in very small company with other fellows who went to the post- in their Rookie Year and in his Final Year?

  100. 100
    Bubdylan Says:

    Did y’all know that Cabrera’s walk-off hit in game 7 of the 1992 NLCS is the ONLY Game 7 walk off hit in baseball history that took a team from being behind in the score to winning the game?

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    Curt Says:

    That’s a good, if premature, point Anne. Can’t be many guys. Mostly Yankees I would imagine. And most with short careers or guys who played for a bunch of teams.

    I think Chipper’s first full season was 95

  102. 102
    Walker Says:

    Prado for Upton is so tempting. Upton has alot of cost certainty and his ceiling is so high. Can you imagine Upton and Heyward reaching their highest potential together? What a lethal L/ R combo. I would only agree to do this trade if Wren pulls out a crazy 4 team trade where we trade Prado, Delgado,Minor,2 B level Prospects for Grienke, Upton, and either a CF or 3b prospect. I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

  103. 103
    Walker Says:

    Of course that deal would mean bye to McCann after next year and hello to Betancourt.

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    Nate Says:

    @103 Braves fans might need to be preparing themselves for that regardless of an Upton deal.

    I just can’t believe the D’Backs are actually going to deal him, and it’s even harder for me to imagine us resigning him when the time comes. We would also probably have to give them 2 pitchers that could potentially win 15+ games for about a decade. Steep price for an inconsistent player, imo.

    I also think Olney and friends undervalue Prado. Martin saves our ass for the 3rd straight year with his ability to play about 4 positions and still bat .300 in the process. Upton would join your team, go into a slump and not even care to get out of it. It’s in the Upton baseball player DNA. I would rather keep Prado.

  105. 105
    Walker Says:

    What a difference a year makes. Last Year Prado was hitting .260 and was mediocre while Upton was 24 years old hitting 31 bombs with a .898 OPS.

  106. 106
    Nate Says:

    Upton is a tremendous talent, no doubt, but if you pull off a trade for Upton and Greinke you will have to part with multiple future major leaguers. All I have to do is look at the Texas Rangers to know that’s not a good idea. Andrus is a BIG part of that team. We gave them that, a middle of the rotation starter, and a dominant arm for their bullpen. There is no guarantee Upton or Greinke will resign with the Braves. It’s a huge risk.

  107. 107
    Mark in Memphis Says:


    Looking at the replay, he started the wrong way and he could have dove to keep the ball on the infield, but he wouldn’t have gotten the ball the first in time, so why dive?


  108. 108
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Offer Pastornicky as the third baseman in the deal along w/ pitching prospects…

  109. 109
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Interesting idea from Buster, though…

    i.e. If they move Prado in a deal for Upton, w/ Chipper retiring at the end if the season, would plans perhaps include a position change for Uggla from second to third…

    Things that make you go “Hmmmmm…”

  110. 110
    eric Says:

    More like uuggghhhhh….

  111. 111
    Shaun Says:

    I used to think Uggla to third might work. I just don’t know about that. I don’t know if his arm is accurate or strong enough. I remember at least a few games in which he bounced throws to first from second.

    I’m starting to wonder if it came down to crunch time this offseason, the Braves still have holes at center, left/third and in the pitching staff, would they explore trading Uggla to get salary relief and possibly to fill some holes.

    Uggla is the one player whose contract has the potential to somewhat tie the team down. Someone like Pastornicky could likely provide at least *something* at secondbase at a minimal cost.

    I think it’s something worth at least exploring in the offseason. But it would depend on how much offense the Braves could acquire at left/third and center. Obviously you wouldn’t want to give up that kind offense without making it up somewhere.

  112. 112
    David Says:

    106 – I agree a trade for Greinke is too risky – we may have to give up too much with no assurance of signing him beyond this year. Plus, he’s a bit of a head case – spiking the ball? What happens if he doesn’t get a borderline pitch in a key spot and he loses pitch control?

    For offseason, I’d like to see us trade Jurrjens and maybe another player (or mid-level prospect) to Minnesota for Josh Willingham.

  113. 113
    Leah Says:

    Congrats to soon to be Daddy Mac!

  114. 114
    Walker Says:


    Chipper is such a good dude

  115. 115
    Leah Says:

    His name is?

  116. 116
    Leah Says:


  117. 117
    Curt Says:

    Missed opportunity. The dead zone returns to the end of the lineup

  118. 118
    Leah Says:

    Friday 13th.

  119. 119
    Leah Says:

    Not sure what will happen but is it bad I’m not really sad Jack Wilson is out of the game?

  120. 120
    Leah Says:

    Never trade Prado! Ever ever ever!

  121. 121
    Leah Says:

    Trading Prado =stupid.

  122. 122
    Anonymous Says:

    Agreed Leah! Much like trading David Ross!

  123. 123
    Leah Says:

    @122 so true. Don’t be ashamed Anonymous…preach it!

  124. 124
    Bubdylan Says:

    Here comes my favorite part of any good Braves game.

    Get ‘em, Craig.

  125. 125
    Bubdylan Says:

    Strike three. Out Three. K Three.

    Kimbrel is the best baseball player in the Universe.

  126. 126
    Steve Says:

    @114 – is great. Take the 4.5 minutes and watch it.

  127. 127
    Steve Says:

    So crazy that both our Shortstops are just gone. I’m not so sad about Jack Wilson being out either, but we now have zero leverage in looking for a stop gap solution until Simmons comes back.

    Prado did look pretty damn good at SS tonight.

  128. 128
    Shaun Says:

    Are Jeff Blauser or Andres Thomas available?

  129. 129
    Frigatedoc Says:

    So who are we going to get for a SS? According to mlbtraderumors, Wren said a SS will be obtained in the next 72 hours. I think that was BEFORE Wilson went down.

    Would Prado at SS be out of the question??

  130. 130
    Mark in Memphis Says:


    ESPN says possibly one of:

    Arizona’s John McDonald (on the DL but shouldn’t be out too much longer)
    Seattle’s Brendan Ryan
    Twins Jamey Carroll

    Carroll plays 2B (33 games 2012), 3B (20) and SS (32) all with pretty good fielding pct. (2B – .977, 3B – .976 and SS – .994) and a much better average than Ryan. Carroll would most certainly be an upgrade over Wilson as a back-up/bench guy when Simmons returns.

    McDonald’s injury is an oblique strain, so I would be wary of him since we really don’t have time to see how much he has recovered before trading for him…

  131. 131
    Curt Says:

    Hoping none of those cost us more than some C level prospect.

  132. 132
    Shaun Says:

    @mlbbowman: “Sounds like Todd Redmond will be going to the Reds for a SS. Likely Valdez or Janish. Looking to confirm. ‪#Braves”

  133. 133
    Shaun Says:

    @mlbbowman: “Confirmed: Braves have traded Todd Redmond to the Reds for SS Paul Janish”

  134. 134
    Shaun Says:

    Janish is what Jack Wilson was 2-4 years ago, which is not really a bad thing.

  135. 135
    Curt Says:

    Hey look, a new light hitting SS

  136. 136
    Walker Says:

    Janish does nothing for me. Leave Prado at SS.

  137. 137
    Bubdylan Says:

    So, Hudson and Hanson for a 1-2 punch in the playoffs, eh?

  138. 138
    Bubdylan Says:

    Not worth Redmond at all. This organization is slowly bleeding to death.

  139. 139
    Adam Says:

    Bourn + Prado save the day!

    Those guys bail us out so much.

  140. 140
    Bubdylan Says:

    Holy Smokes, I missed a great ending. Looks like Craig struck out the side again, too.

  141. 141
    Curt Says:

    I asked on Twitter, so I will ask again. Why not just let Prado play short until Simmons comes back. Is he that big of a defensive liability? The answer is no. I would rather have some Diaz/Hinske/Constanza in left with Prado at short than the Janish thing looming.

  142. 142
    Adam Says:

    I think we need to give Prado a 15 year deal. If he ever leaves this team we’ll have like 5 holes to fill.

  143. 143
    Kate Says:

    #141 – I don’t know how much you value UZR, but Prado actually has a negative at second base for his career. I don’t think he should be at SS unless it’s an emergency. Plus Prado is excellent in LF if you play him at short you make two defensive positions weaker.

  144. 144
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    In the vein of commenting on your own post (precedent set by Steve):


    So much for ESPN analyst’s opinions…

    Loved the description by Wren that with a .981 fielding pct. in 283 career games at SS “He’s a proven defensive talent”.

    Personally, I thought Carroll might have been a pretty good pick-up – better batting average, better fielding pct. at SS (.994), also plays 2B & 3B as well with better fielding pcts. – also could have displaced Jack on the bench… could have been another defensive Prado on the infield…

  145. 145
    Walker Says:


    Kate I’m a real huge saber guy but Prado’s positives on offense far outweigh whatever negatives he has at SS. Trust me, we will lose more runs putting Yanish out there everyday. I mean My GOD the dude can’t hit a lick. So I say only use him as a defensive replacement.

    What we should have done was use Redmond to aquire a decent bench bat to play the LF. Leave Prado @SS and traded a piece of crap for someone who can just play SS defensivel well.

  146. 146
    Walker Says:

    Wren gets a C- for this trade.

  147. 147
    ham Says:

    146 – totally agree. Dumb, reactive, panic move. Unless they aren’t being honest about Simmons injury, why do this. A little frustrating.

  148. 148
    Kate Says:

    Redmond is in his 4th year at AAA and is going to be a minor league free agent at the end of the year. Wren gave up nothing to get Janish and he’s at least better than Jack Wilson. He’ll play good defense at an important position until we get Simmons back. Maybe we get lucky and he swings the bat well for a couple of weeks.

  149. 149
    Walker Says:

    I just feel like Redmond could of been traded for some offensive bench help. He’s a pitcher that some of the teams would give him a chance to be their 4th or 5th starter.

    There had to be a SS out there that can play defense extremely well that didn’t cost Redmond. Or am I overvaluing Redmond?

  150. 150
    Curt Says:

    Probably overvaluing him. He wasn’t getting you much more than a player like Janish. I’d be surprised if he even makes it up in Cincy.

    And according to the TV crew, Janish was batting over .300 for a stretch at AAA before he hurt his wrist. I’m amazed Pastor is just a forgotten man so quick. I know they want him playing 2nd and some OF in the future, but he started the season as our starting SS and now he can’t even get called up except as the emergency SS for a day.

  151. 151
    Walker Says:

    Pastornicky has proven he can’t play consistently.

    Meanwhile Sheets is pitching beautifully.

  152. 152
    Curt Says:

    I get that he isn’t consistent, but that is a precipitous drop.

    Great work from Sheets.

  153. 153
    Ham Says:

    Holy Sheets, what a first impression.

  154. 154
    Walker Says:

    Thats the best defense I’ve ever seen Diaz play. Go ahead Matt.

    7 in a ROW!!

    Giants up next — No Cain, No Lincecum

    Let me get my broom

  155. 155
    Curt Says:

    Bub, that tweet was for you

  156. 156
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Is Freddie taking the torch from Chipper when it comes to the Mets?

  157. 157
    Steve Says:

    How great is this quote from Chipper on Sheets?:

    On playing behind him:

    “Any time I go through nine innings and I don’t get a groundball, that’s a good day. I like those kind of days. Me and him are going to get along just fine.”

  158. 158
    will Says:

    We were at the ballpark today so I felt obligated to file this report.

    It was hot as hades.

    Part of it had to be the heat, but the low attendance was a surprise.

    We sat in the front row just behind the visitor on-deck circle. We were in cushy corporate seats courtesy of my big shot lawyer high school friend. I feel obligated now to use his law firm now. Maybe Ill slip and fall.

    I drank 4 Sweetwater beers (3 by the third inning it was so hot- but I slowed down), 3 iced teas, had a bbq chicken wrap and a hamburger.

    Sheets was awesome with a consistent 91-93 mph fastball and a sneaky 77 changeup.

    Medlen has got to be my size (5-6″) but he looked good.

    Diaz was awesome both offensively and in the outfield.

    Chipper was a stud.

    Despite being scoreless the first 5 innings, Santana’s control seemed pretty shaky; kept getting it in the dirt.

    Their skipper argued strikes and got tossed in the 6th. We were all booing him . It didnt surprise us that he unravelled.

    Bourne is super cool/even tempered at the plate. He made an awesome catch.

    Freeman smacked a big dinger. Sounded like a cannon.

    Josh Thole, the Mets catcher, had bubble gum on his rear end. My 11year old son yelled “Thole, Thole, you have gum on your butt.” To which he tried to pick the gum off his butt. He missed it at first, to which the girls behind us said “lower, lower” until he got it. He then flied out to left. My son, secret specialist in psyops.

  159. 159
    Steve Says:

    Will – great, great stuff. I was there too. Crazy hot. Missed the gum from my seats in the upper deck but I’m with you on most of the rest.

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