Hurt, there’s one thing you’re overlooking when you say that Atlanta has strayed too far to protecting the prospects, and Wren would worry too much that Delgado would be a #2 starter for the Cubs, etc: the Braves traded Delgado for Dempster. It was blocked by Dempster.
We are definitely not a premium destination anymore.
I’d trade a package around Spruill for Justin Masterson.
The Monday Blues should be over today. I’m going to the game. Every game I’ve ever been to at the Ted has ended in a walk-off victory.
Yes to us being the counterpoint. We get used for leverage, and I’m not sure Wren ever sees it coming. I picture him having very little respect from his peers; nobody seems to dread doing him dirty like Furcal did. That could be my imagination, but I think Wren gets trampled on. I’m not sure how much it matters that much. At the end of the day, money talks, and little else.
Sheets = Glaus. Foul on having him in the future. But right now he’s carrying the team and I absolutely love it. However, if he IS healthy and pitching for us next year, I don’t see why he “won’t be Cy Young.” I don’t know his history, but as Steve said when we first got him, he seems like he either can’t pitch at all or can pitch with the elite, or near.
JJ will suck out loud in the bullpen. Agreed with you guys.
I agree that Medlen should have been our starter for a long time, or at least had the opportunity. I think there’s a 60% chance or better he’ll stick in the rotation, around 3.35 – 3.90 ERA, plenty good for these hitters. But most importantly, we need to know this winter if he’s a 2013 starter or not.
Good signs for me: Mike Minor, Fredi’s BP calls a little better.
Bad signs: Venters: still not buying it. Dan Uggla sucks my laundry. A month of the worst hitter in MLB. That said, I’m not sure it’s true that we can’t afford it. Plenty of teams play through multi-million dollar wastes. Werth’s been out for a while. Derek Lowe is actually dragging us, moneywise, almost as much. This stuff happens. In Texas, they’re booing Hamilton for his month of suckage – or course, they’re rich. But still.
I’m going 7-0 for the Braves this week. Why not? (We’re doomed now.)
First off good podcast, minus Steve lol. Joke! Saw a rumor that Boston called Braves about Beckett. Boston seems to think he would waive his 10&5 rights. He makes 15.75 million a year and roughly 37 million still owed left on 4 year deal signed . I think a change of scenery would be good for him and especially if Boston ate about 10 million and w e give them 2 solid arms. Maybe Spruill and Dismather Delgado. Next, the Dan saga. Eventually he will come out of it. My hope is that he hits that hot streak going into the playoffs! My other hope is that JJ finds success out of the bullpen. If by the grace of the baseball gods he does, we recoup some of his trade value and Wren realizes trade, trade just as fast as he can. Anyway, enough opinionating .
“The Braves are not a viable landing spot for Beckett right now, reports WEEI’s Rob Bradford. Bradford says the Braves are not in position to assume Beckett’s financial obligation, even if the Red Sox pick up a significant portion”
i think you guys are overreacting a little over the payroll. we have alot of low salary guys because we have a bunch of rookies/young players. plenty of teams are top heavy, and the way to make a successful team, with any size payroll, is to grow your own stars, and bring in complimentary players. all successful teams do this. look at teams who have had alot of trouble over the years, its not because of their payroll, its because they dont develop good players from their minor league system. when they bring up a few stars, things start to change.
DAP, I’d like to believe you on #7, but the Braves are handicapped by their payroll. They have the homegrown stars just like you mention, but they won’t go ahead and put the last couple of pieces in place, because of payroll. Watch what the Nats do this winter and I think we’ll see the model you suggest actually working. Watch what we do with Bourn & 3B/LF, and you’ll see how to almost become great with homegrown guys, but fail to peak as a club because of purse strings.
Bubdylan @3, I think it would take a lot to get Masterson. He’s only making $3.825M this season and is under contract through 2014. He’s 1st-year arb-eligible after this season. I’m thinking he would definitely require the Braves to give up either Teheran or Delgado plus more.
Bub at #8, all I’m saying is that its not a bad thing to look at a payroll and see one or two big salaries, a few of middle of the road salaries, and a bunch of low salaries. thats actually a good thing.
a little head room in the payroll would be great, but the truth is, the braves have one of the most talented group of young players in baseball. just in terms of position players, we have Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, McCann and Prado all under 30 years old. The first few are WAY under 30. The only player the Braves have payroll committed to in 2013 is Dan Uggla. They have tons of payroll flexibility.
As much as the payroll limits us, it doesn’t have to be an issue. And again, payroll is not why teams succeed or fail. It just isn’t.
Haven’t listened to the show yet but, weighing in on FW, whatever he does or doesn’t do in his tenure, the Bourn deal was a masterpiece.
While we can get sad about not having enough to cover the unpaid portion of Beckett’s salary, maybe it’s just not smart money to spend. I get that having all the money in the world would make stuff easier.
Doc – great call on Bourn. Hopefully, he is priority #1. I also read that they are working on an extension for Prado – finally.
DAP, I personally spent plenty of time discussing how mush of the Braves team is built around good homegrown talent on the show and how I figured the Braves did a better job than most filling out their roster with their own guys. They have been doing that since the 90s. The difference then was the ability to bring in a big FA to supplement that talent. You will never be able to fill out a full roster with guys from within your organization. It just can’t happen. And the Braves seem to, more often than not, use minimal money to sign vets to fill bench and BP slots. Not pivotal roles on the team. We traded for Uggla and Bourn. We didn’t sign them as FAs. And this off season we will see how committed the Braves are to going to the next level. You have to sign Bourn and let him fill one of those top end slots. If you go out and sign some retread like Victorino you are yelling the fans that finances are more important than success.
Curt “You will never be able to fill out a full roster with guys from within your organization. It just can’t happen.”
No doubt. I disagree though that the Braves were ever huge Free Agent players. They signed their share, but got the bulk of their guys through trades and the minor leagues.
You guys complained about the salary structure of the Braves, when in reality, its a positive thing to NOT be top heavy (like the Phillies). The way the Braves are put together is how you should want it. A few high salaried vets, a handful of players in their prime making mid range salaries, and a bunch of young, cheap, talented players. The Braves are committed to no one past this season,other than Dan Uggla. They are in excellent shape payroll wise, despite the comparatively low payroll.
“The difference then was the ability to bring in a big FA to supplement that talent.”
I know the payroll is different, but I don’t think its that different. The Braves still have the ability to supplement talent. What they don’t have is the ability to go sign a 30 year old and expect him to be the cornerstone of the team, and again, that usually doesn’t work, anyways.
Braves pitchers have an active streak of 52 innings in which they have given up 0 or 1 runs. Last time they gave up 1+ runs in an inning was when Jose Reyes hit a 2-run HR vs Hudson in the 2nd inning last Tuesday night.
I like this deal, but good god I feel bad for Medlen. In the bullpen at the beginning of the year, out of the bullpen in AAA, In the bullpen AGAIN when he comes back up, BACK out of the bullpen on Tuesday, and I assume he’s going back in the pen now that we’ve got Maholm.
Last seven days….15.0….10….3…..3…….0……13…….0.67…..1.80
Last seven days………..5.0……3…….1……1…….7……..7…….2.00…..1.80
Though Hanson worries me and I like Medlin, he is unproven THIS year as a starter. He HAS proven his value coming in from the pen… I would feel comfortable with him starting, IF we had not obtained Maholm
OBTW – Maholm gives us a second lefty in the rotation and the deal sweetens our bench…
Last seven days………14.2……8…….2……2…….5……12…….0.89…..1.23
“He’ll start tomorrow and we’ll re-evaluate and see where we go. The thing about Medlen, he really has been a valuable guy and as we’ve contemplated the start the last four days, we’ve been in situations where he would have been very valuable in the games. So it was pretty obvious that we missed him. But I’ll let Fredi and Roger and they’ll figure out exactly how we’ll configure going forward. It’s a possibility it’s just one start.”
Yep. Meds is going back to the pen. Poor kid — what the hell does he have to do to at least get a chance to prove himself? Oh yeah, one spot start
Hammy, I’m so pleased you got “Hurt.” I was afraid it wouldn’t come off.
I’m too exhausted to go over all the points made at me, so I’ll just concede on all counts. Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk. Then I look back at what I said and just shake my head. Anyway, I don’t hate the organization.
What a game! I loved it. We had great seats (My LORD, the prices…). A bummer that it was such a blowout I didn’t see Kimbrel, but it was also fun to be relaxed for so much of the game with the outcome in hand. Heyward’s homer, awesome. Chipper’s double, awesome. I’ve yet to look at the incredible throw to nail Reyes, so I don’t know if he was really out. I may never look. They showed it late on the jumbotron and named it play of the game, but I still couldn’t tell.
Did Tommy look as lucky on TV as he did from 112L? Avilan appears to suck. Even his outs were hit hard.
20 ounces of coke. $4.75. That’s fair.
Now I have to go geek out over the Johnson & Maholm pick up. Sounds like a fair deal, and a helpful one. Makes me absolutely sick for Medlen, though.
I tried to comment from the Ted, but even though my phone would bring up the site, it wouldn’t let me comment. Prob’ly my phone. It said “Name” and “Mail” and all that, but they were just words on the screen, no boxes. But it was nice to look at it and see the shout out from Anne.
Also, on the google result for Atlanta Baseball Talk, “Bubdylan” is one of the top tags. I probably should slow it down?
Wow. Didn’t see all the trade stuff last night. On the surface, looks like a great deal. Not only the SP and bench help, but it also bolsters the bullpen by keeping Medlen there. I know it sucks personally for Medlen, but this helps the team in a lot of ways.
On a side note, I’m on vacation this week in southern FLA about 3 hours north of Miami. We were out to dinner last night I this area with a ton of outdoor restaurants and bars. TVs everywhere. Everywhere. And not a single one showing the Marlins. The Olympics were prevalent. But not a single person asked the bartender to put on the Marlins? Not good.
Steve — YOU should’ve asked a bartender to put on the game!
I really like this trade — not just because it shores up two areas of need, but because of the possible impact Maholm, who’s 30 years old and has 7 1/2 seasons under his belt, can have on Minor. I seem to remember Maholm being a pretty highly-ranked prospect when he first came up in Pittsburgh, and he was never quite able to live up to those standards.
Obvious drawbacks are losing Vizcaino and the effect it has on Medlen. But we’re still very deep in pitching (Teheran, Delgado, Minor, Gilmartin, Spruill), and who knows — maybe we can trade Hanson this offseason to create a spot for Medlen.
In his career, Maholm against Washington is 1-5 with a 5.67 ERA and 1.473 WHIP. He hasn’t started against them this year, but last year he was 1-1 with a 3.38 ERA and 0.900 WHIP in 2 starts. He’s also got a 4+ ERA against all other NL East teams during his career, but this year he’s pitching well against the division (ERA below 2.00 against each team).
Bub, he was out. Perfect throw from Prado handled perfectly by McCann. It was a thing of beauty. If Reyes knew how close it was going to be, he probably could have slid different to avoid a tag, but he was definitely out.
So with this trade, does Medlen go back to the pen? Pretty stupid (IMO) to have him pitch tonight when they probably knew they would get another starter in a trade just to put him back in the pen. Why not just bring up someone from AAA to pitch if they only needed someone to pitch tonight? Am I crazy for thinking this?
Also, has anyone heard what Medlen’s take is on all of this? Of course he is probably saying whatever is best for the team, but I can’t imagnie him being happy with this.
Frigatedoc, I would assume since they prepared him to start, they thought he was the best option for tonight’s game. And there was no guarantee they would get a deal done for a starter. They couldn’t just assume. They had to plan as if there would be no deal or else if they couldn’t make one, they would have been screwed.
Also, if a starter happens to go down tomorrow, Medlen would be ready to jump right in there. So why not go ahead with tonight’s plan?
Medlen probably wants to start but he seems like a team guy and it’s not like he has much choice. Plus he probably understands why the Braves didn’t want to put him in the rotation from the beginning, with him coming back from Tommy John and everything.
I saw someone describe Reed Johnson as a good Matt Diaz. I think that’s about right. A more athletic Matt Diaz. And the good Matt Diaz not the bad Matt Diaz. He hits lefties and he can play all three outfield positions.
He’s probably a below average defensive centerfielder but he’s serviceable there. He’s basically a leftfielder that can play the other outfield spots adequately enough.
Following up on post #26: Braves pitchers now have an active streak of 61 innings in which they have given up 0 or 1 runs. Haven’t had a multi-run inning since Jose Reyes hit a two-run homer off of Tim Hudson last Tuesday.
Nickname for this pitching staff should be the Atlanta Binaries.
“That guy impresses me all the time,” McCann said. “I worked out with him this offseason. He’s such an athlete. We’d throw the football around and he doesn’t drop a pass. He’s one of those guys that’s an unbelievable athlete; he can do anything.
“They’ve thrown a lot at him this year. They’ve asked him to start, relieve, got to the minor leagues and come back. To keep your mental makeup and your mental toughness, that says a lot about who he is. He’s here to help this team win, and that performance right there – he started right where he left off in 2010. He was one of our best starters in 2010, but he got hurt.”
Curt, how hard is this to predict: Medlen gives one more start, stretches it on more inning, gives up zero, one, or two runs, gets sent back to the pen, and the Hanson gives us three starts in a row during which he gives up a total of 12 runs (5,2,5). Is there anyone here who doesn’t think that sounds about right?
The Braves have to explore an Uggla trade in the offseason, something somewhat similar to the Lowe salary dump, right?
I don’t think he’s really as bad as he’s been recently but I also think his days as one of the top 3-4 offensive secondbasemen are done.
If they can find a solid glove man that can provide something around league average offense, I think they should move Uggla for some salary relief. There are some options that would likely come relatively cheap on the free agent market, Keppinger and Kelly Johnson stand out. The Braves would no doubt have to cover some of Uggla’s salary but it may be worth it to get some money back on his deal.
Rewatched TDKR at the matinee today. All the sound problems were fixed. That made a huge difference. Really good movie. I think it compares well with Return of the Jedi as a let-down-but-only-slightly ending to a great trilogy. And really so much better without being beaten to death by Hans Zimmer’s kettle drums.
The Cleveland Indians designated Derek Lowe for assignment Wednesday night, one day after the veteran right-hander was shelled by Kansas City.
Lowe gave up seven runs on eight hits, two walks and a balk over 2 1/3 innings in Cleveland’s 8-3 loss Tuesday night. He had lost four straight, had a 15.88 ERA in his past three starts and an 8.80 ERA in his past 12.
The 39-year-old began the season 6-1 with a 2.05 ERA, but is 2-9 since with his ERA ballooning to 5.52.
Now THERE is the DL we all know and love (the fact we rid ourselves of him…)
His Nickname should be: The Tease
Guess his unusually low batting average on balls in play coupled with almost no strikeouts finally caught up with him…
To a certain someone who said no way when I suggested Delgado might outpitch Dempster the rest of this season, someone whose name ryhmes with sleeve, the Dempster has started out with a bang in Texas. 7 runs in 4 innings, giving back a big early lead Texas staked him to.
Interesting to notice how the Braves have fared against pitchers they have never seen this year. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like we have done a much better job of that. We still have the terrible pitchers who own us, but not so much the rookies notching their first wins against us.
129 — we faced Eovaldi last year, if that’s whom you were referring to. But yes — the Braves are doing a better job against pitchers we haven’t faced before.
Interesting matchups this weekends. Hudson vs. Armando Galaragga (when did he wind up in Houston??) tonight. Maholm’s first start against Harrell, who is having a good second half so far, tomorrow. And Medlen vs. Norris, a high-ERA but high K pitcher. Really hope we sweep.
136 – Cool article, although I gotta say that that guy seems to be overestimating our pitching a bit. He cites Hudson and Hanson’s combined 22-9 record, but they (Hanson mostly) haven’t been as good as that record may indicate; our bullpen has been shaky at times; and Fredi’s bullpen management, while better than last year, is still questionable. To give Venters any credit for this season’s success – which this writer does – is a bit embarrassing.
I hate to be cynical, but I wonder how closely that guy covers the Braves.
I was just with someone who I work with who is for
Houston and we were with my sons. She mentioned to them that she was an Astros fan, and being little kids they talked about how good the Astros were. I corrected them in front of her and let them know that the Astros were, in fact, embarrassingly bad. Good parenting 101
Just listened to this week’s show, which was before the trades this week. Looking forward to what you have to say about the turnarounds in the trade situation, and the team as a whole.
Just so we dont furget – predictions this week were
6-1 CURT and HAMM
3-1 vs. Miami! (said curt – you are correct)
Sweep stros comin up…
Steve has the better baritone radio voice, and clearly is the measured voice of reason. We miss him this week. The kids take a bit of license while he is away, but deliver a good show. Curt is always right, but in a whiny voice. Hammy is the funniest one. And the best looking.
What an awesome week. Lets keep this momentum in the last stretch. Lets go all the way. Im giddy…Its 2 in the afternoon, no beers, just alot of coffee…
This is truly one of the worst losses of the year. I hate it when they don’t get up for low opponents. And who didn’t see it coming? I didn’t. That’s who. I thought they’d destroy this record-book horrible team. Nope.