lolololololololololol @ Juan Pierre’s 17 HR’s this year and even more lulz at nobody immediately going “WHAT???” If that noodle-arm is our CF on opening day, I’m buying the 1995 season on VHS and watching that all year instead. If it’s Shane Victorino, I’m going to re-watch the Cardinals-Braves one game play off 162 times. Because that would be less painful.
Thank you Steve for saving the podcast. Had you picked Chipper as your MVP over Prado I would have fired you all! We absolutely win the WC playoff game had our veteran/captain not thrown the ball into center field. He said as much himself in the post game interview. Think of all the times Prado was moved around the diamond and played like he was born there. Mercy people!
If Pierre is a Brave we’ll save money on helmets. His head is so tiny his batting helmet has to be almost free.
ham, if I was recording a podcast and had to pull up stats or ideas, thinking on my feet, I’d be lucky to remember the name of the team I root for.
Anyway maybe the joke’s on me. Pierre’s BABIP and wOBA were in line with his averages; maybe he could hit .290+ in ATL for cheap dollars.
Victorino’s got twice the WAR of Pierre, last year and beyond. I’ll just have to watch all his at-bats on gameday and then return to the tv when the next guy comes up. If I can find a way to have Shane on the team and never see his face, I could go for it. He does fit Wren’s “couple of expensive players instead of one ridiculous contract” model.
I think Prado, Bourn and Heyward would have all been fine choices for MVP. Remember when Raul Mondesi and Brian Jordan maned the Braves’ outfield?
LVP candidates: Pastornicky, Hinske and Jurrjens.
I really though Pastornicky would at least hold his own. I still think he’s a good player but maybe he’s miscast as a major league shortstop.
Hinske was awful this season and he came to the plate 147 times. Hinske was the first name that came to mind when you guys mentioned LVP. But it’s good that he was just a bench player.
Things we would change: How about Simmons getting the call-up on Opening Day instead of Pastornicky? In hindsight, perhaps that could have made a noticeable difference. I have to stress the hindsight part because, again, I thought Pastornicky would at least hold his own as a major league shortstop.
@10 – I really considered the Simmons’ call up as my do over. But I decided that he needed the extra seasoning he got those couple of months and that’s why he was so successful. It seems kinda silly seeing it in print, but that was the thought process/dismissal process I went through.
I thought about Hinske, but that’s like blaming Homer the Brave or the grounds grew. The Paint Brush. He was a complete nothing. Granted, those 147 ABs were almost completely wasted, but I don’t remember him costing us too many games.
Feel free to now insert a list of all of the games he cost us.
@33. MinM there was so much tension in that crowd in that moment I wondered if that wasn’t going to happen. That would have been over the top. If it were a normal type of blown call or the Braves were in the lead or it wasn’t the stupid 1 game playoff I would agree with you.
In all seriousness, I’m with Mark. I’m repulsed by fans throwing stuff. But on the other hand, I would have done it if I’d have had a beer can and a good shot at the field. I’d have regretted it later, and felt scuzzy, but I’d have done it for sure. Them’s just facts.
@33 – MinM. I totally get it. And I can’t really, in good conscience, defend the actions of the fans that night (as good and right as it all felt in the moment). That said, comparing the garbage throwing to storming the field and beating up the umps makes no sense.
Boras + career year in leadoff categories + showing more power + well above average defender = BIG payday ($80M for 6 years-ish).
Atlanta should not write that contract – it would hamstring us to sign Freeman, Heyward, etc. in the future. Plus Bourn is 30 and folks of his skills can fall off quickly beyond that age.
I am somewhat with Curt (that hurt a little to say ) in that it is likely to be Angel Pagan. He has speed, good OBP, some power and is above average in the field. And at 4.85M last year, he probably won’t cost-prohibitive, he won’t cost us a “piece” and could be traded or moved to LF if Todd Cunningham starts showing he can play at ML club level.
I am somewhat w/ Steve in that I think Wren might go the trade route based on his comments about the FA class.
-The Twins have Revere (young, fast, low strikeout rate, no power) and Span (good OBP, great glove, good walk and K rate – will cost more than Revere) and need pitching (badly).
-Dexter Fowler (CO) is Atlanta native, relitively young (26), good OBP w/ high walk rate but also high K rate, 10+ hr & 10+ steals expected, decent glove but highly athletic (might get better – got to remember his defensive stats are based on playing 80 games in the expanse that is the Col outfield…) and a switch hitter. Probably will cost more than than either Revere or Span.
Steve, I don’t think mentioning it as a “a step towards” a “mentality where you hear of…” is quite the same as comparing in the sense that you must mean.
Maybe you don’t agree it’s even a step in that direction? I honestly don’t know. There are a ton of scholarly articles on “football hooliganism” that I’ve skimmed for psych class, etc, but I don’t remember any of them ever mentioning a history of non-violent vandalism as a harbinger of the rough stuff. Most chronicles of it start with “the first fistfight in ______ was recorded in 1535 during a blah blah.”
Anyway, just spitballing here, but I don’t think that it’s too much of a stretch to call throwing crap on the field a riotous act, mob rule, etc. In any case, M in M’s statement makes sense, whether it’s tenable or not.
/feels the impulse to edit this and take out big words to avoid looking pedantic
//is too lazy
/// submits comment and runs away
@42 – Maybe I’m being naive but no, I don’t think the intent of the initial bottle throws was to hit or to hurt the umps. More just a loud, disruptive, obnoxious, misdemeanor-ous, expression of frustation.
And yes, while cowardly, that’s part of why these things are not comparable. No one went out on to the field, nor did I see anyone attempt to. You go onto the field in a situation like that, you are intending to do harm. I get it. This did not feel like that kind of a dangerous situation.
I get that it’s not a good thing. And shouldn’t happen at sporting events and it’s a gateway drug to Euro style hooliganism. But this kind of thing NEVER happens in Atlanta. EVER. And that’s part of why, taken in the vacuum I believe it lives, that it was not that big a deal.
I know I will get killed on here, but I actually like Alex Rodriguez. It’s crazy they are benching him like this. Sure he is struggling but the Yanks definitely won’t win the World series with Eric Chavez. Id rather take my chance with A Rod’s upside. He’s still one of the top 25 players who ever played, steroids or no steroids.
Well, if he’s available, let’s get him. I’m a big fan of Angel from what little I’ve seen in interviews, etc. Seems like a real pro and a good clubhouse guy. I could get fairly excited if the Braves targeted Pagan.
Thanks guys. I’ve started listening regularly this year and love it.
My do-over would be sending down Medlen to be stretched out. If I remember correctly we lost at least two games that the bullpen blew during that time and then we put him back in the bullpen. When we put him back in the rotation he didn’t need to stretch out. Complete waste.
@42 Not to split hairs but we were sitting perpendicular to the infield fly ball hit in the outfield two feet behind a flailing Pete Kozma. The first two items I saw thrown were foul of 3rd base. Just sayin…no where close to any umpire. If MLB doesn’t want a dangerous situation they shouldn’t hire bone headed umpires.
So not over it…
I say kudos to A- Rod for leveraging monster 2007 season into that huge contract. The Yankees made the mistake of giving him way too many years instead of shortening the length of the contract and just upping his AAV or Annual Average Value. Id rather overpay and aging player over 4-5 years instead of giving him 7-9 years just to lower his AAV.
Also, he may be overpaid but he was a 2 win player according to WAR which is good. He still gets on base.
But he is fairly criticized as a horrible postseason performer.
Create a towel with a cool name related to the Atlanta Braves.
Set all proceeds to go to an Atlanta charity/school.
Get permission from MLB and the Braves where necessary.
Start producing and selling them…
Maybe it will catch on and put a dent in the foam tomahawks…
Was at a coffee shop in Atlantic Station today (big midtown Atlanta shopping area) and in walks Freddie Freeman and girl friend. I got totally star struck and successfully fought the urge to go talk to him.
@71 – I really wanted to talk to him and congratulate him on his season, etc, but he immediately sat at the bar/counter with his girlfriend and that felt too intrusive somehow. If was just at a table or a couch or something like that, I would have absolutely spoken to him.