Show #206: Our Interview with David O’Brien

October 22, 2012

Show #206: Our Interview with David O’Brien

DOB weighs in on the wild card loss, the bottle throwing, the leadership void left by Chipper, Teheran and Delgado, Venters and Hanson and the moves for 2013.

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157 Responses to “Show #206: Our Interview with David O’Brien”

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Chris Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It’s about time the cardinals magic finally ran out! Up 3 games to 1 and they can’t close it out, gotta love it! It’s just sad to think if the braves could have won that wild card game, I really feel like they could still be playing right now…
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Curt Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Agreed.

Oh, and for the 400th time – did I mention that I picked a Detroit-SF World Series at the beginning of the season?
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Steve Says:
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
@1 – This year will stick with me for a long, long time. We talked about which of the last three years’ season endings was the most painful and I said last year. But as I sit here now, it is this year by a long shot. The 2012 team had so much potential and we never got to see it play out.

As I watched Ken Rosenthal and Erin Andrews interviewing the Giants on the field I imagined it being the Braves instead. We should have had that this year.
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David Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
An interview with DOB? Can’t wait to hear this one!

And yeah — this team had tons of potential to make it far into the postseason. More than 2010 (too many key players banged up) or 2011 (banged up and slumping). This year sucks. Glad the Cardinals are out of it. Go Tigers.

Apparently the Twins are hoping to add 3 starting pitchers this offseason. I’ve got to think that Frank Wren and Terry Ryan (Twins’ GM) will have many phone calls. Josh Willingham and Denard Span are very enticing.

Here’s how I would think the Braves’ pitchers would stack up in a possible trade scenario:

- Medlen: untouchable

- Hudson: next-to-untouchable, but I don’t think the Braves would have any interest in trading him anyway.

- Minor: would you trade Minor for a guy like Willingham? Or Span? While it’d be painful to part with Minor, I don’t think I’d trade him for either of those guys, although if it’s the right player, I think I would. But I think his second half solidified him as next year’s number 3 starter.

- Maholm: if a team is interested in Maholm, I’m betting the Braves would trade him. Totally. And I wouldn’t mind a bit. (I also wouldn’t mind if they kept him.)

- Hanson: I doubt the Twins (or any other team) would be interested unless they line up 2 other better/more experienced starting pitchers first (Greinke? Haren? Dempster?). But if that’s the case, it would mean that a deal probably wouldn’t get done until much later in the offseason, and I don’t think the Braves are interested in waiting that long for the major holes in their lineup. (My guess on the Braves’ approach with Hanson: hope he has another good first half next season, then try to trade him midseason.)

- Delgado: if the Braves were willing to trade Delgado for Dempster at the All-Star break, I’m betting they’d trade Delgado for an everyday position player such as Willingham or Span. It would probably hurt a little less seeing him go to the AL, too.

- Teheran: my guess is that the Braves would be a little more open to trading Delgado than they would Teheran, but only if it’s the right player.
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Steve Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@4 – IMO, you trade either Delgado or Teheran before Minor. We know Minor can do it. We think Delgado can but we’re not certain and who knows about Teheran anymore.
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David Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
#5 — I agree. I’ve got to think that Delgado/Teheran are probably #1 and 2 on the list of “pitchers most likely to be traded this offseason.” I’m sure the Braves would much rather unload Hanson before Delgado/Teheran, but I think he’s got so little trade value at this point that it’s unlikely they’ll get anything good in return for him.

Any thoughts out there about McCann? Olney suggesting that the Braves could exercise the 2013 option, then trade him. No way that happens, not with Bethancourt still needing plenty of development.
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eric Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Willingham – blech.
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Steve Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
@7 – I think Willingham would be a nice addition. He’s under contract for two more years at $7MM/ year. His OBP last year was .366 (career .361). He hit 35 HR in 2012 and 29 in 2011. And he bats Righty. I think that would look pretty good in Left field.
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william Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Vis a Freddie’s girlfriend. They arent married, but his girlfriend is actually a model. Chelsea Marie Goff
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Steve Says:
October 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
@9 – Now that is putting the comments section to good use! Thanks, william.
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eric Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 11:13 am
@8 – A few things make me worry about adding Willingham. 1. The last two years he’s hit righties significantly better than lefties. For his career, it’s around even, but I’d hate to see another fake right-handed bat like Uggla in the lineup. 2. Even more worrisome, he’s getting old and he’s had a history of back problems. Dude plays through a lot of nagging injuries, but he hasn’t been an iron man. Only 140+ games once in the last 5 years. 3. He’s not a particularly good fielder. If we assume Bourn is moving on, the Braves could go from having probably the best fielding outfield to one of the worst, depending on who fills CF. 4. For his career he’s been bad in September and October. Last thing the Braves need is a guy who slumps then. 5. Mostly, I just don’t like idea of picking up a guy who will be 34 before the season starts and coming off a career year, playing the most games he’s played in since 2007. Guys like that always seem to flop for the Braves.
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Shaun Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
The thing about Julio Teheran that’s easy to forget, because he’s been on our radars for so long, is that he’s still only 21. Not that there are no concerns but Triple-A at 20-21 is a major thing. The average age of players in the International League is 27. Most guys Teheran’s age were in Low A last season. They’ve been aggressive in promoting him probably because he’s proven himself at lower levels. It has nothing to do with him being bored. I suspect his struggles have more to do with him being challenged for the first time and actually facing many guys who could be or have been fringe major leaguers.

I don’t think it’s as big a deal, considering his age, that he spend a third season in Triple-A, as it would be for other prospects. Again, most guys his age are going to be in High-A next season.

That’s not to say Delgado is the wrong choice and Teheran is the right one for the Braves. I feel confident the Braves’ staff will make the right decision. We should just be careful to make definitive judgements about Teheran at this stage. We’re still a good ways away from knowing whether he’s a top-end guy or a bust. We may not know that until his third or fourth year in the majors.
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Steve Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Stupid Fox. Some goofball from American Idol is singing the National Anthem tonight. This is the WS! It should always be a huge name with ties to the city. Metallica should be singing tonight. Or Santana. Or even the Chili Peppers, given their CA ties.

Detroit has Aretha lined up, which is awesome. And here’s someone I thought of a possiblity in Detroit who will NOT be performing.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121024/ENT04/210240400/
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Leah Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
This is exactly how I felt after the WC playoff game…

http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/?partnerId=aw-7323594772770109560-1068#contentId=40015010
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DAP Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I like Collective Soul.
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Curt Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Suck it, kid
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Leah Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
@16 funniest post of the season!
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Leah Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Gooooooo Infante!
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Steve Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
This seems impossible. And 3 consecutive HRs is just ridiculous.
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Leah Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Can’t believe they beat the V! Just now listened to the show. Always sad to hear the final show. Almost couldn’t bare it. I’m a little disturbed that I feel similar to DOB about throwing trash on the field.

How nice to have multiple options regarding open positions because we have Mr. Baseball himself on our team. Marteeeeeeen!
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Steve Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
@20 – I thought of you when DOB made a point of going back to the leadership topic to include Prado in there.
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Leah Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
What can I say. Stick with me boys…I obviously know what I’m talking about.
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Curt Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I’m really going to be depressed if this Giants team wins another World Series. 2 in the past 3 years with that team? And the Braves can’t win a postseason series? Makes no sense.
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ham Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I still don’t think Prado is going to work out. I’m Curt-level skeptical about him.

(Just kidding – I actually made my Cubs WS prediction so that my earlier doubt of Prado didn’t look so stupid.)
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Bub Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
@23, crap. shoot.

It really, truly is. One day I’m gonna write the definitive article/essay on how baseball postseason is irrecoverably frigged.

It’s a little different when it comes to the Braves’ run of poor playoff showings. I think in that case, bad luck put them in a hole and then the pressure got to them and they couldn’t get out of it. But I don’t think it was some essential high level failure of a team/organization. I don’t think it was Bobby. I don’t think we were “geared for regular season.” I don’t think it was even that other teams were better in the later part of the run (I mean, the point of all this is that it barely matters who’s better in the post.)
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Bub Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
^ is never going to write the definitive article on anything.
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Curt Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
All of that might be true. It also means little to me as a fan. All I know is that they (Cards, Marlins, Giants, et al) win, we do not.
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Leah Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
@24 Any less obsurd prediction wouldn’t have worked. Well played.
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Leah Says:
October 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Goooooo Bulldogs! The Maroon and White version.
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Curt Says:
October 28th, 2012 at 9:56 am
How about the red and black version? Didn’t think they had a chance. UGa hasn’t has a win like that in years.
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Leah Says:
October 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Ill root for the red and black version when my kids go there. Which is probably inevitable.
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Curt Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Smart kids
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Leah Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Poor kids who live in GA an parents who make them study. I’ll be asking for a letter of recommendation from you one day.
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Steve Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
And then baseball season was really over. Sweeps are no fun like this. At least give us some drama in the WS.
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Shaun Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
We hear every year about low ratings for the World Series. How about MLB try to figure out how to make the World Series an event instead of trying to recoup their World Series losses by adding extra playoff rounds?

The World Series isn’t an event if you water it down with 2-3 rounds of playoffs.
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Curt Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Leah, if you are recommendations on the best nickel beer nite spots, or easiest classes to take in order to graduate, I’m your guy
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Leah Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Curt, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

This has felt like the longest post season ever! Glad it’s over!
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Anne Says:
October 30th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Leah, if you let me adopt your kids, they can go to Emory for free. …and their football team is undefeated since 1836.
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Curt Says:
October 30th, 2012 at 10:51 am
For a great cause:
http://weareonthesamepage.org/shoe-auction-and-drive/
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Steve Says:
October 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Anyone upset that the Braves exercised McCann’s option? I heard someone on sports talk this afternoon railing against it (it may have been Archer on 790).
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Shaun Says:
October 31st, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Fangraphs estimates McCann was worth $9M, in free agent dollars, in 2012.

From 2008-2011 he was worth between $18M and $25M in every season.

I don’t think folks realize how expensive wins are on the open free agent market. There’s a very good chance McCann’s option is a steal.
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WatchingBraves Says:
October 31st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@40- I would… except I don’t see any good alternatives. Certainly production was down. But what would you pay on the market for similar production?

How long would you end up locked in for signing a free agent of his caliber? Braves want to keep options open with Bethancourt coming through the system.

Braves may yet keep McCann long-term or let him walk. But for right now, at this moment this is the most reasonable move.
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David Says:
October 31st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
40 – all I know is that this is probably one of the few times when the words “McCann” and “exercised” have been used in the same sentence.
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Leah Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 7:16 am
@43 lol…I want to see a season with him healthy. Just one! Is that too much to ask?
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Curt Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Sad news about a classic character

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/dominican-republic-newspapers-hoy-and-diaro-libre/nStD4/
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ham Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Welcome back, Jordan Shafer. Time to dust off my Bob Marley records.
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Leah Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Be afraid…very very afraid.
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Steve Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@46 – Just heard that news. Seems like a strange move for the Braves given their seeming committment to character guys. Maybe he’s our opening Day CF so we can spend all our money on A-Rod.
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Curt Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Jordan Schafer better not be the answer to any questions
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Curt Says:
November 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/the-patron-saint-of-nerdy-jewish-baseball-fans.html
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Mark in Memphis Says:
November 2nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Giants won’t make qualifying offers to their free agents, including Angel Pagan
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/giants-wont-make-qualifying-offer-to-their-free-agents-including-angel-pagan/

Seems more attractive now, but possiblely harder to aquire…
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Mark in Memphis Says:
November 2nd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
@5
” IMO, you trade either Delgado or Teheran before Minor. We know Minor can do it. We think Delgado can but we’re not certain and who knows about Teheran anymore”

Amazing that as late as the All-Star break, that would have been exactly the opposite…
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Tcc Says:
November 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Schafer..really??? Does this mean the Braves are giving up the idea of keeping Bourn? Yes, Bourn tailed off offensively in the second half but is Schafer able to match Bourn in any category?

Say it ain’t so…
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David Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
Haren traded to the Cubs. No wait, not traded to the Cubs.

Not often that, twice (or more) in a year, you see a team have trades reported and “confirmed” only to later learn they’re not going through. With the Cubs, first it was Dempster, now they’re on the other side of things with Haren (although this one’s different cause there’s not a no-trade clause involved here). Cubs are reminding me of the Braves’ 2009 offseason (Peavy, Burnett, Furcal, Griffey).
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Nate Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
I actually don’t mind the Schafer addition if it’s strictly for a backup role such as defensive replacement/pinch runner. The drop off from Bourn to Schafer as a starter would be awful. He’s a 3-tool bench player. He needs to focus on being just that because he can neither mentally or physically handle being an everyday player.

I really hope the initial reports that the Giants are not bringing back Pagan are true. I think he fills our team needs for CF perfectly.
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Nate Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Do we have Reed Johnson locked up for 2013 or is he a FA? Would like to see him back, just wasn’t sure on his status.

Also, any chance we can move Uggla? 13 million dollars is a lot of money for what he does.
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Steve Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@56 – Reed Johnson is a FA, but DOB has said the Braves have interest in bringing him back.

Moving Uggla seems very unlikely given the money he’s owed. I mean, would you pay $13MM a year for him?

And has everyone seen the reports that Schafer is solely for OF depth? He’s not the answer in CF.
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Steve Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
@57 – what I meant was the the Braves have confirmed he’s not the starting CF, he’s only been acquired for OF depth. This has been confirmed.
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Steve Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Also (and most importantly) – MOVIE REVIEW! Saw Wreck It Ralph today. It was excellent. Much more going on in it than the typical kid junk. Smart and funny.
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Walker Says:
November 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
This is the first time in my life where I was glad we are in the offseason. MLB has put a bad taste in my mouth. I see why the NFL and NBA are byspassing MLB. Did anyone read about the World Series ratings? Horrible. If a die hard baseball fan like me feels this way imagine what others are thinking.
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Curt Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Also saw Wreck It Ralph. Very entertaining. Especially if you spent hours in the mall arcade, as I did.

Love that the big story coming out of the Dome last night to ESPN was the fact that the Cowboys are 3-5. 3 minutes on the Falcons being 8-0, 30 min on the state of the Cowboys.

I hate ESPN
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Frigatedoc Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Curt,
You are right…on Mike and Mike they acknowledged that they were indeed guilty of giving the Falcons no love for a undefeated season….and RIGHT after that, they said “now about the Cowboys….”

I saw “Wreck it Ralph”….my kids loved it. I LOVED the premise of the movie…..the retro aspect of it. It started great, bad middle, but good ending. I thought the “candy” racing game was too much like the board game “Candyland.”
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David Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
FWIW, this morning on ESPN Ron Jaworski (one of the football analysts on ESPN) answered “yes” to the question, “are the Falcons the best team in the NFL right now?” He also had picked Dallas to beat Atlanta.

I tend to agree with much of what I’ve heard concerning the Falcons: that until they play well in the playoffs, it’s all for naught. The Falcons have been playing good to very good football all season, especially the last two weeks when they’ve looked very strong. I’m looking forward, though, to seeing how well they’ll do against good teams – New York on Dec. 16 in particular.
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Curt Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Yeah, Giants is a big game. I think this week against NO is big too. They have struggled against NO the past few years. Be good to beat them in NO and bury them even further.
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David Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Agree that Sunday’s game against NO is a big one. Brees has been solid all year, but I’m pretty confident in the Falcons in this matchup. They’ve had two games in a row where lots of pundits were picking against them, and with the exception of the defense letting opponents back in late in the game, they’ve looked very efficient. Need to keep that going.

So when are y’all gonna start your weekly Falcons podcasts? I’d like to hear someone (cough cough Steve cough) predict a Falcons victory by 100 one of these days.
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Curt Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Teams checked in about the availability of Brian McCann before the Braves exercised his $12MM option for 2013, Olney reports. The Braves would have wanted a decent return in a trade, but other teams were looking to acquire the catcher cheaply.

Some Atlanta executives are realistic about their chances of signing Michael Bourn. It doesn’t look like the center fielder will re-sign with the Braves.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/olney-on-bonderman-braves-haren.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook#l6oS6mRptcjdAxHx.99
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Steve Says:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:22 am
@65 – David, the weekly podcasts will start back up in March. For now, we’ll record shows as signings and trade dictate.
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Shaun Says:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I’m thinking the Braves might go after the best all-around centerfielder they can find that fits their budget (perhaps BJ Upton) and they’ll go with a short-term, inexpensive solution in left (perhaps a Torii Hunter), if they feel Gattis is for real as a solid major league leftfielder. Just my theory. What type of moves they make could tell us how they feel about Gattis.

Also, Argo was a very good movie. I saw it this past weekend.
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Walker Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I know people want Josh Willingham but his defensive skills are horrible. He would have to really continue to perform well offensively at age 34 for it to really make sense we get him. I wouldn’t do it. I don’t trust him. Especially after hearing that the Twins want Julio Tehran.
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David Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
So now that marijuana is legal in Colorado and Washington, how soon do y’all think it will be before Jordan Schafer demands a trade to the Rockies or Mariners?
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Walker Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
The question is how soon until the whole country legalizes pot? Sooner rather than later I hope. We could sure use the tax money. But I’m sure Jordan wouldn’t mind being traded t any of those two states. LOL
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Leah Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Sources: Free-agent catcher David Ross agrees to two-year deal with #RedSox, pending physical.

Not our David Ross right? A totally different David Ross.
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Kate Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Well this off-season already sucks.
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David Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
72 – hilarious. I wish that was the case
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will Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Curt/anybody – what are your predictions for the Falcons this week at NO? High scoring game but still 9-0…
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David Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I say Falcons, 35-31. Considering that everybody is predicting a shootout, it also wouldn’t surprise me if it winds up being 13-6 (Falcons winning) or something like that.

I think the Falcons win tomorrow, although if they lose — and this will depend on how they lose (if it’s a close game vs a blowout) — they’re still in great shape looking ahead to the rest of the season. They won’t have the pressure of remaining undefeated, they can assess whatever weaknesses showed up in the loss and make adjustments, etc. I’m a little nervous about Weatherspoon not being in there tomorrow, but they seemed to do fine without him against Dallas (4th quarter lapse notwithstanding).
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will Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 8:30 am
youve prob seen this but it is great

from 12 min…

“Im the Missouri hammer and im all in your camera…”

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/media-lounge/videos/Freestyle-Friday-Returns-to-D-Block/8e257911-0d97-492a-b18b-a6170a3f40e1
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Curt Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I think this game depends on the start. Falcons have yet to be in a big hole. I think the Saints are playing better and the Falcons always have trouble A. with them, and B. In New Orleans. Something inside of me has this nagging feeling that they lose today. And I think they probably end up losing three or so games this year.

But I also like the way the Falcons play. Not the best in these categories, but just solid throughout the game. So I’ll go Falcons 32-24
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will Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
woke up just in time to catch that last drive…stuffed at the goal line..so close.
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Curt Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Yeah. That game sucked. Michael Turner – 13 carries for 15 yards. I’d rather see Snelling at this point. Think about last year and we couldn’t get a yard against the Saints on 2 occasions. And here we are again.
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Curt Says:
November 12th, 2012 at 10:13 am
After that Falcons dumpster, went and saw Skyfall yesterday. I will go on record that I love the Bond movies – even some of the absurd ones like Moonraker. Now Timothy Dalton is pretty indefensible, but I think Daniel Craig is second to only Sean Connery as the best Bond. I have found all of his movies to be solid, if not at least highly watchable. Even that second one he did, which was pretty panned.

All of that…I found Skyfall a little slow. It was too long. 2.5 hours. Add 30 min of previews and it makes for an extremely long movie experience. There were moments of high action, Sam Mendes is a talented director, beautiful locales and women abound, it just wasn’t what I wanted it to be. When trailers told me that someone called it the best Bond ever, I had high hopes. But, if anyone ever saw Road to Perdition (also featuring Daniel Craig in a slightly different role) you see how Mendes winds his movie clock. It is all about the journey. And this journey took a little too long for me. I saw Argo on Saturday night and I thought it was tremendous. So if you have to pick, go with it instead.
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Curt Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 7:28 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/braves-turned-down-simmons-for-olt-swap.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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David Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 9:48 am
82 — very interesting (assuming it’s true). I’d say that’s the right no-trade — as good as it could be to have Olt at 3B, Wren can’t make that trade when it means giving up on their shortstop of the future. It’d make no sense to fill one hole (which Prado will take care of) while creating an even bigger one.

Just saw that the Blue Jays are eager for starting pitching. Wonder if they’d consider trading either Edwin Encarnacion or Jose Bautista.
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David Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/braves-interested-in-cody-ross.html

Meh. Ross is fine, but he’s not the missing piece by any means. I know that the rumor mill is what it is, and that the Braves tend to play things pretty closely to the vest, but I hope he’s not at the “top of Wren’s wish list” for LF.
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Nate Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
In case you aren’t watching it flash across the screen every 3 seconds on ESPN, the Blue Jays are about to acquire half of a baseball team from the Marlins.
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David Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Wow, that trade is ridiculous. I think the new-look Toronto Marlins just might have a shot in 2013.

Can we trade for Stanton now? Pastornicky, Delgado, Gilmartin, and J Francisco. Make it happen Wren!
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Nate Says:
November 13th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
@86, a 3-4-5 of Heyward, Stanton, and Freeman, now that’s just not fair. (yes, please)
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Curt Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Loria is a bag of sh-t. MLB should revoke that team from him. There is such a direct correlation between owner and attendance. Not that Miami is ever going to be a great sports town, but he is killing any hopes of people down there caring about baseball for a while. Wonder how much the city dumped into that stadium for him?
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Walker Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Yeah and I know Jose Reyes is pissed . From Miami to Canada? Always get a no trade clause folks.
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ham Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Porta Potty cleaner > Marlins’ fan.

Shee.
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Curt Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-trade-a-baseball-tragedy-bud-selig-deserves-blame.html
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ham Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
what about the Tigers picking up Hunter. If V-Mar can come back healthy and they can fix their closer situation, holy poop.
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David Says:
November 14th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
According to the rumor mill (Bowman, and then MLBTR is echoing him), Braves are “targeting” BJ Upton. DOB says they’ve also talked with the Twins re Denard Span.

There are pros and cons to each, and neither seems to be the “perfect fit” — but I think I’d rather have Span. Upton’s HR and SB totals are enticing, but he’s got a lot of knocks on him. Last 4 seasons: never hit above .250, struck out 150+ in each season, low OBP (including .298 last season). He’s also grounded into 13+ DP each of the last 3 seasons. I feel like if we sign Upton, we’re overpaying for a guy who can steal a lot of bases and hits for power when he’s not striking out.

Span also comes with risks — health, not the speedster Minnesota thought he’d be — but he’s got great defensive numbers (1st in AL in range factor last year, 3rd in defensive WAR) and seems to be more consistent. We’d have to give up a prospect or two to get him, but I’m hoping more for Span than Upton at this point.

Others? What do y’all think?
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David Says:
November 15th, 2012 at 11:01 am
One more thing re B.J. Upton — he’s not a typical leadoff hitter, and most of his ABs last year came in the 2-hole. The more I think about it, the less I want Upton.
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Walker Says:
November 15th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
BJ Upton has speed and power BUT…… He doesn’t get on base, he doesn’t hit for average, doesn’t make contact, doesn’t play hard everyday, and his defensive WaR has been negative 6 out his 8 years in MLB.

Frank Wren NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Walker Says:
November 15th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
And I guarantee Fredi would hit Upton leadoff. All because he’s fast and plays CF. Yep, progressive Fredi.
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Nate Says:
November 15th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Not to mention the guy is a clubhouse cancer. Why would a team that overvalues team chemistry like the Braves want anything to do with BJ Upton?
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will Says:
November 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
that article on selig & marlins owners was a shocker
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Curt Says:
November 16th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Passan has written several articles on that mess. He clearly hates that situation. And you can tell it comes as a fan of baseball too.
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Shaun Says:
November 16th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Upton isn’t an on-base machine but he does just fine for a centerfielder. And he has good pop.

Also, the Trop is a pitcher-friendly park. Upton is young for a free agent. He’s heading in to his age 28 season.

He’s nowhere near the defender Michael Bourn was and is. But he’s been a better hitter. And it’s likely he’ll be significantly better than Bourn on offense for the next 3-5 years, given their ages and skills.

Projecting forward, I think it’s likely that Upton will be the best centerfielder that was available in this offseason’s market, either via trade or free agency. Not much more that you can ask from the Braves than for them to go after the likely best available player at a position they are trying to fill.
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Curt Says:
November 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Reyes also potentially loses $8 mill in taxes playing for the Jays. That sucks.
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Nate Says:
November 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Sounds like the Bossman Junior era might be about to begin in Atlanta, I just hope we don’t overpay for him just because he’s the best option on the market.

Be careful Frank.
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Steve Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Hi all. Just got back from vacation this week and catching up. The Marlins are just ridiculous. We’ll continue to complain about Liberty (and rightly so) but a real live person as an owner is no guarantee.

I like the Braves going after Upton, but he feels like the classic Braves acquisition that will go into horrendous, mind-bending slumps.

So, we were on a cruise this week and Leo Mazzone was on the ship. He was always in a big group when I saw him (all on the first day, never saw him again) so was unable to talk to him. But, I did see that on his upper arm he has a tattoo in the shape of a penant that says “14 Straight”. I thought that was kind of cool.
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Leah Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Happy Turkey Day everybody!
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Curt Says:
November 26th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Further emphasizing how bad the Braves local TV deal is. Imagine if they could add even half of this to their revenue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers—7-billion-tv-deal-will-widen-chasm-between-mlb-s-rich-and-poor-040842261.html
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Leah Says:
November 27th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
BREAKING: @Phillies catcher Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games without pay after testing positive for an Amphetamine.
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Leah Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
BJ Upton…GO!
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Leah Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Not that I want him to go. I want discussion to occur. That way I’ll know how I feel about it. Also, ‘I can’t believe there’s no trash talk about Saturday’s game!
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Nate Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Thoughts on paying BJ Upton 15 million: is the Braves front office insane? Kinda speechless right now. Just a shockingly terrible deal
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Bubdylan Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Welp, that about does it for me. Don’t like the guy at all, plus this contract is insane.

#108, Roll Tide.

See y’all in the funny papers.
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Nate Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Why overpay a player who consistently underperforms and has repeatedly quit on his team in the past? If Joe Maddon and the Rays clubhouse couldn’t turn him around no one will, especially not Fredi Ginzalez. First Lowe, then Uggla, now BJ. At least Uggla’s not a jerk, but he still can’t hit or field. I just don’t get it.
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Nate Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
My faith in the Braves organization meter is at a -1000.
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Walker Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
This deal with Upton doesn’t look good at all. Its a gamble. But as a Braves fan I agree there is still huge upside. He’s hitting his peak years so heres hoping we see a bonafide SUPERSTAR for the next 5 years.

Breakout BJ Breakout!!! Show us what u can do.
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Walker Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I guarantee you Fredi’s hitting him leadoff.
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Walker Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
It’s gonna be alot of swinging and missing next year guys.
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Steve Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
@114 – Not sure if it’s a joke, but if not, I guarantee you he won’t be batting leadoff.

Obviously, I’m not crazy about the strikeouts or the low OBP, but the power, right handedness and age are all very exciting.

I still need more time to digest and I also want to see what the other move is.
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Walker Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
@ 116

I guess I typed that thinking its a joke but knowing who our manager is, its not far from reality.
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Nate Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Uggla, Mac, and Upton in the same lineup…
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Leah Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Wow! I was kind of excited until I read the board.
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Nate Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@ 116, who do you think they go after? Span?
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Steve Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
@120 – Span or Cody Ross. However, my season long prediction that we’d end up with Victorino would really bum me out now if he was the other piece.
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Stephen Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Not sure how I feel about this move. I think B.J. was the best option out there for center. If the braves are a club where money is not an issue I think this is a good move, but we all know that is not the case. The braves will pay him what they payed Chipper last year. There are so many question marks here, this is a very risky move. I will be really interested to see what Angel Pagan and Bourn get. If pagan gets over 10 mil a year I will feel better about it.

At least we’re not the Marlins!

Go Braves!
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Curt Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Betting it’s Span, personally. Exciting, young outfield – that strikes out a lot.
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eric Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Keith Law calls the Upton deal a win:

“In Upton, Atlanta gets an above-average defender in center with plus raw power and some past history of plate discipline, although he became much more aggressive in 2012 in what I assume was an effort to boost his power numbers as he headed into free agency. Upton can’t touch Michael Bourn’s glove, but he’s less of a dropoff than any other possible successor to Bourn and makes up for the defensive drop-off with his power, although he’s never been able to translate that raw ability — which should produce 30-plus home runs — into performance over a full season, with 2012′s total of 28 his new high.

Upton had been a patient hitter prior to this season, with an OBP of .346 in his five full seasons as a starter before 2012 and walk totals ranging from good to outstanding, so there’s performance upside here if he returns to his old ways of working the count. There is still performance risk with Upton, who’s only had one season, 2007, in which he put all of his offense skills — power, patience and speed — on display at once, but he still has the physical tools and has shown all of those abilities separately over the years since that breakout season.”
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David Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Several weeks ago, I wrote on here that I didn’t want the Braves to sign B.J. Upton. Now that they have, I’m slightly more excited about it (probably because it’s an actual free agent signing), but I’m still very cautious about this signing.

I like that he’s entering into the prime of his career, and he has the makeup for a breakout season. I like that he’s (apparently) friends with Heyward, and hopefully that will make him enjoy playing for Atlanta, which will translate into playing well. I like that he’s right-handed, a good base-stealer, and has power.

I don’t like the increasing strikeouts, the low OBP, the drop-off in defense that we’ll get. I don’t like a rather pedestrian OPS for a guy whom we’ll be paying $15 million a year. I don’t like his low walk total. And, I don’t know where he’ll fit in the lineup — definitely not leadoff, not 2nd (Prado), not 3rd (Heyward). I’d say cleanup (hit him between lefties Heyward and Freeman, then hit Mac and Ugg in 6/7), but I’m not sure that’s where he should hit, despite his power potential.

With all of that ambivalence, I thought whoever made the comparison to Adam Jones (I think it’s in the SI article posted above) nailed it. AJ has had potential for a breakout season for years, and only this year did he come into it. Upton seems like a similar kind of player — late 20s, low OBP, power potential, speed, low walks, etc.

I’d LOVE a trade for Span. With Upton, Heyward, Freeman, and potentially Uggla/Mac (assuming they hit like they should), we’ve got plenty of boppers in the lineup — now we need a table setter who has speed and gets on base at a good rate, which Span does.
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Anne Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Any local Atlanta folks watching Good Day Atlanta with Ron Gant as one of the anchors? PAIN FUL.
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Steve Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Anne – I’ve not seen him on Good Day, but I can only imagine. He’s painful on Braves broadcasts where he’s talking about things he knows probably better than anything else in the world. All the off the cuff he most do on that show must be the worst.
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Shaun Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
I really hope the Braves aren’t focused on finding a prototypical leadoff hitter for leftfield. I hope they are looking for the best available leftfielder. Let the batting order take care of itself. Worry about batting order later. If the best available leftfielder happens to fit in to the leadoff spot, fine.
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Anonymous Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
#126/127 – this morning he was clearly reading copy and mentioned the NYC Christmas dance festivities featuring the “world-famous New York City Rockets.” Pronounced like rockets red glare. Co-host flinched but was kind enough to smile at the camera and not correct him.
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Walker Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Say what you want about Ron Gant but the man knows how to get a job. I think he has a gig on MLB Network, Fox South, and now Good Day. I need some interview tips.
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Walker Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
I agree Shaun, I think we get caught up in a getting a speed demon. But all we need are OBP skills. He can be as slow as Cecil Fielder as long as he gets on base.
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Stephen Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Span to the Nats for a minor league pitcher.
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David Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
132 — Just saw that. That sucks. Apparently Alex Meyer (the guys the Twins got in return) is one of Nats’ top pitching prospects, but if we could’ve gotten Span for Delgado or Teheran (or Maholm or Hanson?), I think that’s a trade Wren should’ve made.
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Walker Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
No I’m glad we didn’t trade Tehran for Span. Maybe Delgado.
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Stephen Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
We’ve waited too long on Teheran. It looks like he is going to have to come up with the braves now. Hope he can get straightened out.
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Stephen Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I hope they give him a chance early in the season.
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Steve Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
The Span thing is strange. I mean, we can only assume the Braves wanted him and went after him. So what happened? Did he tell his agent he wouldn’t play left field? Would the FO not give up one of Teheran or Delgado? Did the Twins simply like the Nats prospect better?
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Steve Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
#129 – Brutal.
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Steve Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Just because I’m feeling shallow and small today:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/derek-jeter-fat/
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David Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Hanson traded to angels for Jordan Walden
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Shaun Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Good stuff. Walden gives the Braves a right-handed reliever for high-leverage situations, which was a need. Plus an extra $4 million for a leftfielder (or thirdbaseman, but probably a leftfielder).

Wren could be thinking relatively big for leftfield.
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eric Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Wonder what it would take to get Justin Upton? Teheran, Pastornicky, and someone?
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eric Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Some (less than promising) info from Olney on BJ Upton:

The peaks and the valleys. His offense comes in bursts, and rival scouts have thought for years that Upton tends to get down on himself. In recent years, the Rays were open to listening to offers for Upton, as he got more expensive, and no team — not the Braves, not some other club — aggressively moved on him.

This whopper investment by Atlanta seems incongruous with how the industry has viewed Upton in recent seasons, and you wonder if the Braves might’ve been better off chasing Chris Young — who was acquired by Oakland from Arizona a few weeks ago — in a deal earlier this offseason. His age (29) and production has been very similar to that of Upton, he’s regarded as a better defensive outfielder, and — most important — he’s owed only $10 million over the next year, with an $8.5 million salary in 2013 and a $1.5 million buyout on an $11 million option for 2014. The Braves probably would have been better off overpaying in a trade for Young rather than assuming the risk of the massive deal with Upton.

But the opinions on Upton are scattered, and an NL evaluator offered a different perspective.

“He is the most talented player in the free-agent market and somebody I think will age well,” the evaluator said. “He is continuing to improve. Most free-agent signings pay players for what they have done, but when you sign Upton, it’s about what he will do.

“On top of that, things in the market are changing. Jonny Gomes just got a multiyear deal with an average annual value of $5 million, while setup guys like Brandon League and Jeremy Affeldt are getting paid between $6-8 million per year. Baseball just signed a new labor deal last year and got a lot of TV money this year. There was value in the Braves’ striking early, before the market really took hold, because some of these contracts may get out of hand.”
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David Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
142: That’s what I’m wondering, too. I don’t think it’ll be Pastornicky, though — I wonder if Teheran and Nick Ahmed, and possibly another lesser prospect or two.

It’s already been said, but the Hanson trade was clearly a salary dump and hopefully a precursor to another move. What will that move be?

Dream: Trade for Justin Upton — Teheran, maybe Nick Ahmed will satisfy the DBacks’ need for a SS, plus another prospect like Todd Cunningham or someone.

Reality: I think the extra money will make it possible for the Braves to sign Shane Victorino (sigh). He’s apparently looking for somewhere around 3 years, $27 million, and while the Braves could’ve afforded that without the Hanson dump, the move now allows them to sign Victorino and afford raises for the other younger guys.

Dark Horse: Nick Swisher. We’ve heard his name connected to the Braves a little bit (not much, but a little), but it’s always been said that he’ll command a higher salary. An even darker horse would be Josh Hamilton.
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Leah Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
It’s sad how much I love being retweeted.
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Mark in Memphis Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
@142

Reportedly Simmons, which the Braves have already said “NO!” to…

I would trade Teheran for him (but not a whole lot more)… Delgado has already shown capability at the MLB level, Terhan has not… in several tries… and didn’t show much in AAA this year…

@143

I think I would rather have Angel Pagan for a couple of years instead of Victorino… Although, Victorino might have “something to prove” against the Phillies…
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Walker Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
It’s amazing that a year ago JJ and Hanson were counted on so much.
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Walker Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
We better not trade Simmons. I feel like the Braves should be lucky to have a future SS after the unfortunate jettisons of Andrus and Escobar.
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eric Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Keith Law on the Hanson deal:

(In short, he said Hanson is a mess and already in decline.)

“In exchange for a player they had to at least be considering a potential non-tender, Atlanta gets back a project reliever in Walden. He throws in the upper 90s with heavy sink, but has below-average command and often has to elevate the ball just to throw strikes, meaning he doesn’t generate the ground balls you’d expect from the scouting report.

His slider is sharp but is just a pitch to keep hitters off the fastball, meaning it won’t be effective unless he can improve his ability to locate his primary pitch.

But Walden isn’t eligible for arbitration yet, with one more year of club control than Hanson has remaining, so Atlanta saves some cash for 2013 and also has more time to try to fix what ails Walden, mostly command, which is more likely than the Angels fixing Hanson’s health issues. I’d much rather have four years of Walden than three of Hanson, and that’s even more true when we consider the greater expense for Hanson, because arbitration values starters more highly than non-closer relievers.”
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Brandon Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:58 am
Hey guys! Sorry I haven’t posted lately but I read and listen to most everything! I’m with Steve on Upton let’s wait and see what moves next to determine if it was a good move. I do have a question for everybody. My first thought when I saw the Walden trade is that our bulpen is so stocked with quality late inning guys that he will be used as a trade chip for left fielder or third basemen. Given his youth and history of closing games! What’s your guys thoughts? However I would love to add another quality arm to our bulpen, I do believe he could be useful to teams like Arizona and San Diego for Upton or Headley.
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Shaun Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Steve @137, I’m not so sure the Braves wanted him for leftifield, within the context of all of their other position players. While I think they have solid offense from all the other positions, I don’t think they have enough to pick up the slack of having Span’s offense in leftfield. I suspect they are looking for a legit leftfield bat, a bat that legitimately profiles for leftfield.

That said, the Braves probably could have dealt with Span’s offensive production in leftfield and been okay but I suspect they felt it isn’t wasn’t worth settling if they had to give up on of their top pitching prospects.
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Curt Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
It seems like yesterday that I was feeling this type of disappointment

Brandon, not a bad thought, but you did lose Vizcaino and Venters was hurt and not as good last year. EOF missed some time too.
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Brandon Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Thanks Curt my full thought was trading Walden for our left fielder/ third baseman while picking up Durbin or veteran left handed reliever at a inexpensive rate as FW tends to do and do well for the most part.
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Brandon Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
The package I was thinking even though I’m not strong in evaluating prospects was Teheran, Walden, Ahmed, and Mejia for either Headley or Justin Upton! Because I don’t believe we should go for a lead off left fielder. Unless it’s Pagan.
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eric Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@151 – They’d probably have to hope for big bounce-back years from McCann and Uggla to get a Span-like bat in LF. I hope they aren’t hoping that, but I’m hoping that.
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Shaun Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Andrew Sisson at Capitol Avenue Club wrote a whole post on Alex Gordon. It seems the Braves are definitely thinking big.

On some level this offseason reminds me of the very late 1990′s and early 2000′s when the Braves were going all out, doing lots of different things, desperate for that second World Series title, although on a smaller scale in terms of money. It has that feel of that period in Braves history in which they acquired Bret Boone, Sheffield, Reggie Sanders, Vinny Castilla, etc. Hopefully a lot of the moves they make this time around will work out better.
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Nate Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
New show soon?

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