January 15, 2015

Show #287: Braves Fire Sale Continues with Gattis Trade

Gattis to the Astros. Hart’s rebuild of the farm system. Smoltz to the HOF.

 

 

24 Responses to “Show #287: Braves Fire Sale Continues with Gattis Trade”

  1. 1
    Chris Says:

    No guys no glory! If the deal is right, the front office is listening. Not all these prospects/assets will actualize, but every one of these trades made sense. Also shines a bright light on how bare the farm system was coming into the offseason, and like it or not without high ceiling young talent, it’s a long and painful decline. Would be hard to argue that Hart and co. aren’t refortifying at a rate that might take most teams 3-4 years or more. Just going to be painful to see that lineup roll out there in 2015! Shew poor Freddie!

  2. 2
    Anne Says:

    Haven’t popped in for a while, so wanted to say hi, fellas and regular posters, and: nice show, as always. For a bit I was missing the opening banter, but I get why you’ve cut to the chase. Good on ya.
    Behold my new year’s resolution: attend a lot more minor league games – Gwinnett Braves of course being the closest, but there are a ton of little parks I’d like to get to. Even AAA (go, Pelicans). Happy 2015, everybody.

  3. 3
    Steve Says:

    Hi Anne – nice to hear from you. I plan to hit up the Rome Braves and the Chattanooga minor league park this year, too – for the first time.

    Anyone been to either?

  4. 4
    Shaun Says:

    I’ve heard/read somewhere that teams do in fact pay more for relievers at the trade deadline. It sort of makes sense, as the difference between having an extra quality reliever and not could have a bigger impact on a team winning a series than on a team winning throughout 162 games. Also, a team could ride a great reliever to victory in the postseason but they have to pace a great reliever over the course of 162. Great point, Curt.

    I could see a scenario in which the Braves trade Kimbrel near the deadline. I could see some team wanting to try to ride Kimbrel to World Series victory while they have the chance and paying big for him.

  5. 5
    Tad Says:

    first time poster, long time listener.

    i think the nick markakis deal was one that would help bring some veteren presence and leadership to the clubhouse. i remember watching a number of games last year, well before the collapse that this team gave up. being the young team they were, they needed that leadership to help get the still young team thru a long season. i feel the same about the pen signings of johnson and grilli.

    i think kimbrel will be flipped at deadline along with some of the ‘pieces’ we picked up with the trades. i see the braves being active in the next year for some players once Uggla is off the books, possibly eating bj’s contract. but time will tell i guess.

  6. 6
    Steve Says:

    Hey Tad – welcome to the board and thanks for being a listener.

    I get you on the veteran presence/leadership thing with Markakis. But it seems like there had to be shorter term and cheaper options to bring those intangibles to the clubhouse.

  7. 7
    Tad Says:

    Thanks Steve. I kind of agree about the money but didn’t he signed for less of what he was expected to get? he is a guy who is reliable in rf his entire career and hits lhp better than jhey, who we know wasn’t gonna be here come deadline or 2016

  8. 8
    Steve Says:

    I saw write-ups that it was the market price for him. I just don’t get it. He’s 31 and just got neck surgery. I fear it will be pretty ugly with him those last two years of his contract.

  9. 9
    Shaun Says:

    The only thing I can figure with Markakis is that they knew they were going to be desperate for an outfielder and he was a solid one that they didn’t have to spend outrageously on. Perhaps other options were either too uncomfortably expensive or, if they weren’t expensive, just not good. Perhaps Markakis was the best happy medium player.

    Also, you have to wonder if makeup also played a significant role, and the influence his approach to hitting might have on other players.

  10. 10
    Anne Says:

    Steve: went to Rome Braves years ago when Heyward & Freeman were both there. Fun, fun and even more of that “Bull Durham”-esque, little town, lovin’ baseball feel. Can’t wait to go back. Go, minor leaguers…and Go, Braves.

  11. 11
    Tad Says:

    Shaun that is a very interesting point and one that I believe could be very true. Really who is out there or was out there at the time we signed him? not much and after looking at next years free agent ofs this deal makes some sense.

    be interesting to see who the braves play in left. i think rasmus on a one year might work and then trade him at deadline if he is playing decent.

  12. 12
    Steve Says:

    @10 – Cool. Because Gwinnett has very little of that Bull Durham/little town feel.

  13. 13
    Walker Says:

    Love this : http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/the-2015-braves-have-gravitas-and-veteran-leadership-just-kill-me-now/

    As much as I like the Braves and DOB they can be both misguided and delusional at times.

    Johnny Gomes> Jason Heyward lol

    #Grit

  14. 14
    Curt Says:

    this about sums it up to me

    http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/01/26/winter-report-card-atlanta-braves-nick-markakis-jason-heyward

  15. 15
    Shaun Says:

    Lots of good, in-depth info on Braves’ prospects:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-prospects-atlanta-braves/

  16. 16
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @14

    So Curt, do you see that as positive or negative? Or does it depend on what year we are talking about?

  17. 17
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    OBTW

    Fredi is in his final year of his contract (lame duck, so far)

    By the “experts”, the team is expected to finish fourth or fifth in the division.

    What do you think happens: (i.e. fire Fredi, let Fredi walk, extend contract 1 year, extend contract more than one year, etc.)

    1. Team is 20 games under .500 by All-Star break

    2. Team finishes year 15 to 20 games under .500

    3. Team finishes year within +/- 2 games of .500, out of playoffs

    4. Team makes playoffs

    5. Team loses in NLDS

    6. Team loses in NLCS

    7. Team loses in WS

    8. Team wins WS

  18. 18
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    Just wondering…

    Would you offer Andruw Jones a minor league contract?

  19. 19
    Steve Says:

    Fredi won’t get fired in 2015. And, I believe the decision has already been made for 2016. They’re assuming the team wins somewhere around 73 games, are 20 games out of first and they fire him at the end of the season and start the new guy in 2016 so he’s established for 2017 and the move to Cobb. Two things to mess that up:

    1. They defy logic and make the wildcard or win the division
    2. Bobby’s influence is much greater than I imagine and his stamp of approval will keep Fredi around beyond this coming season

  20. 20
    Steve Says:

    @18 – I guess. For minimal dollars. That said, I just can’t believe he can hit major league pitching at this point. Despite his solid numbers in Japan the past two seasons.

  21. 21
    Shaun Says:

    According to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick’s reporting:

    “He has hit .232 with a combined 50 homers over the past two seasons with the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles in Japan.

    “Boras said Jones is looking for a job as a part-time outfielder/first baseman and a right-handed bat off the bench.”

    That profile doesn’t seem to be a very attractive one to me, a corner-guy, it would appear, that hit just .232 in Japan and hits right-handed, so isn’t going to have a platoon advantage most of the time.

    On the positive side, I do think he deserves Hall of Fame consideration.

  22. 22
    Curt Says:

    MIM –

    Not sure i see it as either. i see it as a pretty accurate assessment of what the Braves did this offseason and where the teams stands as is. I do think all of this has to be left with a big TBD. IF a bunch of these prospects come in, particularly the pitchers, and we develop this amazing rotation and bullpen from all these moves that help us to play for championships, etc it’s a massive win. If it takes us more than 4 or 5 years to rebuild and we watch Heyward become an MVP, it gets less so. And if all these guys we traded for with arm problems never amount to anything, you have even farther to go to get to where you want. I’m going to track these guys to see who we actually get any production out of. Hoping for the best, but I think realistically we look at 3 guys who might can help us down the road on the major league level in any sort of noticeable way. I get you had to dump these guys for fear of losing them. I’m just curious as to why it was allowed to get this bad. And I think they have taken way too many risks in the players they brought in. Way too many TJs. Way too many question marks. I get that you drastically enhanced your farm system, but to what end? End result isn’t winning Rome a bunch of championships. It’s how they perform for the big club.

  23. 23
    Mark in Memphis Says:

    @23

    Well, The Run occurred after high drafting and building a relatively strong minor league system (drafting high, year after year helped)…

    Then that system started to bear fruit and those pieces started producing on the major league team…

    But it had to start with “seeds” in the minors…

    Agreed that you never know about prospects… ask the Nats about Strausberg… They are reportedly asking teams to ask…

    Frank had basically “pulled up” all the decent plants and had re-planted rather mediocrely (poor drafts)… 29th out of 30 for our farm system was pretty pathetic…

    I think the Braves have to function more like the Rays… Stock the farm, if your “youngins” jell and are highly competitive, make the most of it… if they aren’t trade away folks who are about to walk for prospects…

  24. 24
    Walker Says:

    The Braves have to be leading the league in signing old relievers and former closers.

Leave a Reply