November 15, 2015

Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons

Reaction to the move. Are the Braves better going forward? Who is still with the team come opening day?



70 Responses to “Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons”

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  1. 51
    Shaun Says:

    Curt @47, yeah, I think they’ll eventually trade Freeman for position players. At some point I think a team will give them a great offer and all Coppolella will have to say to backtrack is, “we didn’t intend to trade Freeman, but this was too good to pass up.”

    Also, I think there’s a good chance Miller and/or Teheran will eventually net them a good young position player or two or three (if they trade both). I think the opportunity hasn’t been there yet. I think Arizona is an odd trading partner because they are sort of a rebuilding team, so it’s hard for them to part with a good centerfielder who is still fairly young and cheap.

  2. 52
    Shaun Says:

    Also, Pollock is a lot better than a lot of people realize and Miller is probably not as good as he might seem.

  3. 53
    Nate Says:

    I used to be borderline obsessed with the Braves as a kid. (I was 10 when we won the World Series.) As an adult, I find it hard to get excited about a team that hasn’t been relevant for the better part of the 2000s, and one that probably won’t be relevant for another 5+ years.

    Needless to say, this offseason has been a major disappointment thus far. You have to score runs to win games, and our lineup was hot garbage in 2015 and will be again in 2016. Kudos to those still holding onto the hope. I don’t see it.

  4. 54
    Eric Says:

    If braves select a pitcher with the 3rd pick next year, then I’ll be very worried. Having to watch Nick Swisher and Michael Bourne next year is really really gonna suck though.

  5. 55
    Chris Says:

    Well Curt, you’re clearly much brighter than I am. Crazy me, $20M sounds like something significant. Perhaps in the next show, you can explain the Braves finances to those of us who lack your intellect. Because I’m so dimwitted, I can’t fathom how the Braves would blithely shrug off losing another 400,000 to 600,000 attendees last year off of 2015’s total, let along not care whether ten or 30,000 fans show up per game in 2017.

  6. 56
    Steve Says:

    Chris (@55) – not sure what you’re arguing about. The Braves made $20MM last year despite the decline in attendance because of payroll restrictions. And that model will continue again this year given that they shed a ton more payroll and now DOB is reporting that they only have $15MM to spend this offseason. Remember that most estimates had them at $30MM or higher in available funds this offseason. Liberty Media seems to be already planning for an expected further decline in attendance and is squirreling away that money already.

    Another indicator of that is the team put single game tickets on sale on Cyber Monday this year. They have never, ever put single game tickets on sale earlier than late January/February.

    If Liberty Media is limiting spend this offseason, which we know they are, and the team was as bad as they were last year then they no attendance will be down. I see no other way to describe it.

  7. 57
    Shaun Says:

    Of course they would love to draw more fans than they expect to in 2016, but as long as the balance sheet works out, they sort of don’t care. They know if and when they build a winner, they’ll draw fans. That might be uncomfortable and feel dirty but that’s the truth.

  8. 58
    Eric F. Says:

    Shelby Miller traded to DBacks for Ender Inciarte,Aaron Blair and Dansby Swanson.

  9. 59
    Tyler Says:

    Which is an absolute steal for the Braves.

  10. 60
    Eric Says:

    This is a sick trade for Atlanta, nice work Coppy.

  11. 61
    Chris P. Says:

    This trade was a haul that I would think Jose Fernandez would have brought in… So, we traded Jason Heyward for 1 year of Shelby Miller, 6 years of Swanson, 6 years of Blair and 5 years of Inciarte. That Simmons trade doesn’t sting nearly as bad. I can’t even believe how lopsided this trade was… AZ will regret this trade

  12. 62
    Walker Says:

    Great trade made with Arizona and we sign Flowers. Betancourt will be a solid player though. It’s ashame we gave up on him so fast. He still raw and extremely talented. Oh well.

  13. 63
    Eric Says:

    Betancourt stinks, no offense, and he was supposed to be a great defender, and had countless pass balls from poor positioning.

  14. 64
    Steve Says:

    The trade is obscene. Can’t believe it. The Toussant trade was also lopsided, but this is a whole other level. And Chris P. – the math equation of what Heyward REALLY turned into is fantastic way to look at it. AND – Swanson!!! The #1 frigging pick. Who could, legitimately be a 5 tool, franchise cornerstone. What a day.

  15. 65
    Steve Says:

    Walker – I agree with you that the Braves might have given up too early on him. But, it’s a perfect storm of giving him the job too early, him struggling, and a new FO who watched it happen with little ties to him.

  16. 66
    Eric F. Says:

    Yes this was a good trade for the Braves. I’m starting to see a glimmer of hope for the future.As far as Betancourt i’ve been very disappointed in him.
    When is next show coming? Looking forward to it.

  17. 67
    Steve Says:

    Next show will tomorrow (Thursday) night.

  18. 68
    Shaun Says:

    That is the kind of return you expect for Freddie Freeman, not Shelby Miller (and an extra piece).

  19. 69
    Walker Says:

    It definitely nice to finally get some offensive pieces in here AND another pitching prospect. Lets do this again!! Coppy may be a liar but he fleeced the Diamondbacks.

  20. 70
    Chris P. Says:

    @Steve – I forgot to add we also nabbed 6 years of Tyrell Jenkins! How could I forget that little ace in the hole. RIP – JHey but, damn it was worth it!

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