November 15, 2015

Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons

Reaction to the move. Are the Braves better going forward? Who is still with the team come opening day?

 

 

70 Responses to “Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons”

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    Tyler Says:

    Here’s some thoughts. Bare with me. Teheran, Freeman, and a pitching prospect to the Red Sox for Blake Swihart and Yoan Moncada. Shelby Miller to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, compensation pick. Ship Markakis back to the Orioles for whatever they will give back. With Simmons, Freeman, Teheran, Miller and Markakis off the books, that’s a hell of a lot of money to spend on other needs ( a front line starter, relievers, another bat, a #5 starter). A line up would look like this:
    C – Swihart
    1B – Swisher/Garcia
    2B – Peterson
    SS – Aybar
    3B – Platoon
    LF – Olivera
    CF – Maybin/Bourne/Smith (trade Maybin when Smith is ready)
    RF – Soler

    The rotation would be interesting. Some of our young guys with a couple cheap but reliable free agent starters.

    You’d have all the money to spend over the next few years as needs come up

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    Jeff Says:

    I bet we could get Uggla for cheap.

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    Curt Says:

    That’s one of the worst lineups I have ever seen

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    Tyler Says:

    Well it would be for a year until some of the money clears up. Swihart and Soler are going to be studs and Moncada is only 20. He’d come up in 2017. Use the money freed up from the trades to start filling in other positions and by 2018/2019 the lineup will take shape.

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    James Says:

    Hey guys! This was my first time listening; had no idea y’all existed. I like what I heard. Keep it up!

    In regards to what Tyler said: it’s always fun to play gm. However, I think you are over valuing Blake Swihart. He had an awful first half last year. He picked it up in the second, but I have questions about his consistency. I know Moncada is highly regarded, but I haven’t seen any tapes of him in the minors so I can’t say as to if it’s worth bringing him back. I like the trade idea of Shelby Miller for Jorge Soler, but I think the Braves would want a prospect in return as well. Miller is proven at the major league level, Soler is not. You would need a safety blanked included as to minimizing the damage if Soler isn’t as advertised. I like the idea of trading Markakis back to the Orioles as well. We wouldn’t get much back at all and we would need to pay part of his salary. It would free up some money, however.

    As much as I hate to say it, I think trading Freeman makes total sense. I wouldn’t have said that prior to the Simmons trade. Of they do, they need to wait for Chris Davis to sign so the market can be set for Freeman. Then you get back what you can. As Tyler said, trading Freeman, Simmons, Teheran and Miller would free up A TON of free agent money. Maybe a #1 starter, a #4 or 5 veteran starter, a bat and some bullpen pieces. It will be interesting.

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    Chris Says:

    If Newcomb becomes what he is projected he could be of Kershaw caliber minus the insane breaking ball. For a shortstop that is great. However I don’t know how to quantify Freeman’s worth. They would need to get more than double his current field production. I don’t know a club that is willing to part with that. It’s like the Braves former office is 5 years behind in the business. Now we have an office similar to the Royals and they are trying to promise a team that took 10 years to build in 2 years.

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    David Says:

    Great episode, and y’all do a great job of expressing the frustration and disappointment around losing Simmons. I agree 100%.

    That being said, I do want to offer a couple of things to keep in mind — first being how we can trust nothing of what this front office says. That’s absolutely true, but I don’t think it’s in Coppy’s best interest to spell out his full plans because doing so would lose whatever leverage he would have. By saying publicly (i.e., via DOB) that they have no intentions of trading Freeman, that keeps some public perception of Freeman’s stock high. I remember Schuerholz being notorious for being quiet when it came to talking about hot stove topics, potential trades, etc, most likely for this same kind of reason.

    Along these lines, I also don’t think we can really say that the front office “has no plan.” The plan seems to be to accumulate as much young, affordable pitching as possible so that they can either a) fill their pitching staff from within, or b) trade for offensive pieces. I’m not necessarily defending the plan itself, just trying to point out that they’re doing all of this without a goal in sight.

    Finally, call me stupid or naive, but I’ve never thought the Markakis signing was senseless. $44 million/4 years for an OF who provides a strong veteran presence for a rebuilding team isn’t an overly expensive albatross of a contract. On a per-year average, Markakis’ annual salary ranks 27th among all current OFers (source: http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/outfield/). Relatively speaking, that’s not all that bad.

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    Tyler Says:

    If the Red Sox are able to get rid of Hanley Ramirez, they will need a first baseman. Freeman could put up 30-35 if he played in Fenway. They have the pieces that could be greatly beneficial for the Braves. Especially if they can pair Freeman with a guy like Teheran. You could get 4 of their top prospects; some of which are major league ready. Betts and Bogaerts are probably off limits, but like I said earlier, Moncada and Swihart could be brought to Atlanta along with a pitching prospect. Swihart would start immediately with AJ backing him up. Moncada can play third or second. He would be ready to come up in 2017. If Jace doesn’t pan out, move Moncada to second and bring up Ruiz when he is ready and a stop gap until Riley is ready.

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    James Says:

    So Tyler, based on what you’re saying, by 2018 our lineup could look like this
    C – Swihart
    1B – Free Agent
    2B – Moncada
    SS – Albeis
    3B – Ruiz/Riley
    LF – Olivera/Free Agent
    CF – Smith
    RF – Soler

    Assuming I’m wrong about Swihart and Moncada is as advertised, I like that lineup, actually.

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    Walker Says:

    If we aren’t competing for another 4 years than what was the point of trading for Olivera and signing Markakis. These guys are in their 30s. I guess we are looking to flip Olivera if he becomes decent next year. But we take away alot of his value if we don’t allow him to play 3rd. I’m confused.

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    James Says:

    I have no idea why we signed Markakis, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s shipped back to Baltimore. As to Olivera, I genuinely believe the Braves think he will be consistent offensively. They genuinely value him. They think he’ll be a 20 home run guy for the duration of his contract. I also still think the F.O. genuinely believe that by 2017/2018 this team will be competitive. The only way I see that happening is if they can sign a couple free agents, offensively and a front line starter, and at least 4 of their pitching prospects turn out to be the real deal.

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    Tony Says:

    Great show guys, great points well made and some serious questions for the front office to answer. Personally I don’t trust thtem either, and frankly I think some of the stuff that I would imagine they’ve made Mark Bowman post in the last week has been nothing short of propaganda (including today’s mailbag stating that Freeman won’t be traded).

    Interesting to hear the comparison on Friday’s PTI to the 76ers. That isn’t high praise.

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    Eric Says:

    I don’t understanding trading a once in a lifetime defender, when your plan is to build through pitching, he easily makes all pitcher numbers look way better.

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    Nate Says:

    We are the Philadelphia 76ers of baseball.

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    Eric Says:

    Like why even trade for Olivera who will be 31? Simmons at 26 is too old to keep for a turn around, Olivera is already in his decline. I hate what this team has done the last few months, won’t be attending games this year.

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    Eric F Says:

    How did the Braves get to this?

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    Eric F. Says:

    An Angel fan co worker of mine is completely ecstatic about getting Simmons and feels it was a dumb move by the Braves.

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    Tyler Says:

    It’s a shame the d backs turned down the Miller for Pollack trade. That would have been an excellent trade.

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    Shaun Says:

    Good points from Rob Neyer that full-on rebuilds always work in baseball: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/atlanta-braves-rebuilding-andrelton-simmons-trades-pirates-royals-cubs-mets-111815

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    Walker Says:

    Another dumb quote from Coppy:

    “I’m getting so tired of this. If guys want to take shots, or (degrade) us, fine. But let’s let it play out for a few years before we start branding our pitchforks and torches. I feel in my heart this is the best for the Braves . . . “Trust me. We are not tanking . . . There is a method to this madness. Judge our trades in two to three years. Not now . . . If we truly were going to tank, we wouldn’t have had Aybar come back in the trade. If we were trying to tank, we wouldn’t have signed (catcher) A.J. Pierzynski. If we were trying to tank, we would have traded Maybin at the deadline last year, and we had plenty of offers . . . We’re not afraid of the criticism and taking the risk,” Coppolella said, “but we’re tired of it.”

    Lol so having Erik Ayabar, AJ, and Maybin on our team automatically means the Braves are trying to be competitive. Braves fans aren’t stupid. These guys are the biggest liars in any front office in sports. Be honest for once.

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    Eric Says:

    Trades that involve potential hall of famers, rarely seem to work out for the team taking prospects. Simmons was a sure thing for at least the next 5-7 years, how many of those prized pitching prospects will have blown out there arms before then.

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    Chris Says:

    Exactly. We traded a shortstop who is a better fielder than Ozzie Smith for two lottery tickets and a declining mid tier shortstop. And Simmons plays 162 games per season or close to it. How many games does Newcomb potentially pitch in?

    Coppolella is immature and not as smart as he thinks he is. If he was actually the smartest guy in the room, he’d shut his mouth and stop insulting our intelligence with his lies.

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    Eric F. Says:

    Chris I 100% agree with you.The Simmons traded made no sense at all. I was becoming like “hey they’re going to lose 100 games but at least I can be entertained by watching Simmons play shortstop.I don’t even have that now.Braves seem like they don’t want to win or get better.they just want to save money and stock pile minor league pitchers.

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    Tyler Says:

    Eric F, in Copy’s defense, that’s how the Braves turned it around in the early 90’s. We all know how that turned out.

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    Chris Says:

    I don’t agree, Tyler. Cox was building the team around pitching as apparently Coppy is. He would have kept Simmons to support Glavine, Smith, Coffman, etc. The only fan favorite to leave was Murphy, and that was at Murph’s request. Cox didn’t want to let him go, because he has a heart. How cool would it have been to have Murph coming off the bench in ’91?

    You love a team for the players on it. Coppy doesn’t give a crap. In fact, he would probably trade a fan favorite just to prove to everyone that he’s the most important person in the organization. The twerp thinks building a rotisserie team is what a GM does.

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