November 15, 2015

Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons

Reaction to the move. Are the Braves better going forward? Who is still with the team come opening day?

 

 

70 Responses to “Show #321: Braves Trade Andrelton Simmons”

  1. 1
    Tyler Says:

    Here’s some thoughts. Bare with me. Teheran, Freeman, and a pitching prospect to the Red Sox for Blake Swihart and Yoan Moncada. Shelby Miller to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, compensation pick. Ship Markakis back to the Orioles for whatever they will give back. With Simmons, Freeman, Teheran, Miller and Markakis off the books, that’s a hell of a lot of money to spend on other needs ( a front line starter, relievers, another bat, a #5 starter). A line up would look like this:
    C – Swihart
    1B – Swisher/Garcia
    2B – Peterson
    SS – Aybar
    3B – Platoon
    LF – Olivera
    CF – Maybin/Bourne/Smith (trade Maybin when Smith is ready)
    RF – Soler

    The rotation would be interesting. Some of our young guys with a couple cheap but reliable free agent starters.

    You’d have all the money to spend over the next few years as needs come up

  2. 2
    Jeff Says:

    I bet we could get Uggla for cheap.

  3. 3
    Curt Says:

    That’s one of the worst lineups I have ever seen

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    Tyler Says:

    Well it would be for a year until some of the money clears up. Swihart and Soler are going to be studs and Moncada is only 20. He’d come up in 2017. Use the money freed up from the trades to start filling in other positions and by 2018/2019 the lineup will take shape.

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    James Says:

    Hey guys! This was my first time listening; had no idea y’all existed. I like what I heard. Keep it up!

    In regards to what Tyler said: it’s always fun to play gm. However, I think you are over valuing Blake Swihart. He had an awful first half last year. He picked it up in the second, but I have questions about his consistency. I know Moncada is highly regarded, but I haven’t seen any tapes of him in the minors so I can’t say as to if it’s worth bringing him back. I like the trade idea of Shelby Miller for Jorge Soler, but I think the Braves would want a prospect in return as well. Miller is proven at the major league level, Soler is not. You would need a safety blanked included as to minimizing the damage if Soler isn’t as advertised. I like the idea of trading Markakis back to the Orioles as well. We wouldn’t get much back at all and we would need to pay part of his salary. It would free up some money, however.

    As much as I hate to say it, I think trading Freeman makes total sense. I wouldn’t have said that prior to the Simmons trade. Of they do, they need to wait for Chris Davis to sign so the market can be set for Freeman. Then you get back what you can. As Tyler said, trading Freeman, Simmons, Teheran and Miller would free up A TON of free agent money. Maybe a #1 starter, a #4 or 5 veteran starter, a bat and some bullpen pieces. It will be interesting.

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    Chris Says:

    If Newcomb becomes what he is projected he could be of Kershaw caliber minus the insane breaking ball. For a shortstop that is great. However I don’t know how to quantify Freeman’s worth. They would need to get more than double his current field production. I don’t know a club that is willing to part with that. It’s like the Braves former office is 5 years behind in the business. Now we have an office similar to the Royals and they are trying to promise a team that took 10 years to build in 2 years.

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    David Says:

    Great episode, and y’all do a great job of expressing the frustration and disappointment around losing Simmons. I agree 100%.

    That being said, I do want to offer a couple of things to keep in mind — first being how we can trust nothing of what this front office says. That’s absolutely true, but I don’t think it’s in Coppy’s best interest to spell out his full plans because doing so would lose whatever leverage he would have. By saying publicly (i.e., via DOB) that they have no intentions of trading Freeman, that keeps some public perception of Freeman’s stock high. I remember Schuerholz being notorious for being quiet when it came to talking about hot stove topics, potential trades, etc, most likely for this same kind of reason.

    Along these lines, I also don’t think we can really say that the front office “has no plan.” The plan seems to be to accumulate as much young, affordable pitching as possible so that they can either a) fill their pitching staff from within, or b) trade for offensive pieces. I’m not necessarily defending the plan itself, just trying to point out that they’re doing all of this without a goal in sight.

    Finally, call me stupid or naive, but I’ve never thought the Markakis signing was senseless. $44 million/4 years for an OF who provides a strong veteran presence for a rebuilding team isn’t an overly expensive albatross of a contract. On a per-year average, Markakis’ annual salary ranks 27th among all current OFers (source: http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/outfield/). Relatively speaking, that’s not all that bad.

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    Tyler Says:

    If the Red Sox are able to get rid of Hanley Ramirez, they will need a first baseman. Freeman could put up 30-35 if he played in Fenway. They have the pieces that could be greatly beneficial for the Braves. Especially if they can pair Freeman with a guy like Teheran. You could get 4 of their top prospects; some of which are major league ready. Betts and Bogaerts are probably off limits, but like I said earlier, Moncada and Swihart could be brought to Atlanta along with a pitching prospect. Swihart would start immediately with AJ backing him up. Moncada can play third or second. He would be ready to come up in 2017. If Jace doesn’t pan out, move Moncada to second and bring up Ruiz when he is ready and a stop gap until Riley is ready.

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    James Says:

    So Tyler, based on what you’re saying, by 2018 our lineup could look like this
    C – Swihart
    1B – Free Agent
    2B – Moncada
    SS – Albeis
    3B – Ruiz/Riley
    LF – Olivera/Free Agent
    CF – Smith
    RF – Soler

    Assuming I’m wrong about Swihart and Moncada is as advertised, I like that lineup, actually.

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    Walker Says:

    If we aren’t competing for another 4 years than what was the point of trading for Olivera and signing Markakis. These guys are in their 30s. I guess we are looking to flip Olivera if he becomes decent next year. But we take away alot of his value if we don’t allow him to play 3rd. I’m confused.

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    James Says:

    I have no idea why we signed Markakis, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s shipped back to Baltimore. As to Olivera, I genuinely believe the Braves think he will be consistent offensively. They genuinely value him. They think he’ll be a 20 home run guy for the duration of his contract. I also still think the F.O. genuinely believe that by 2017/2018 this team will be competitive. The only way I see that happening is if they can sign a couple free agents, offensively and a front line starter, and at least 4 of their pitching prospects turn out to be the real deal.

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    Tony Says:

    Great show guys, great points well made and some serious questions for the front office to answer. Personally I don’t trust thtem either, and frankly I think some of the stuff that I would imagine they’ve made Mark Bowman post in the last week has been nothing short of propaganda (including today’s mailbag stating that Freeman won’t be traded).

    Interesting to hear the comparison on Friday’s PTI to the 76ers. That isn’t high praise.

  13. 13
    Eric Says:

    I don’t understanding trading a once in a lifetime defender, when your plan is to build through pitching, he easily makes all pitcher numbers look way better.

  14. 14
    Nate Says:

    We are the Philadelphia 76ers of baseball.

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    Eric Says:

    Like why even trade for Olivera who will be 31? Simmons at 26 is too old to keep for a turn around, Olivera is already in his decline. I hate what this team has done the last few months, won’t be attending games this year.

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    Eric F Says:

    How did the Braves get to this?

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    Eric F. Says:

    An Angel fan co worker of mine is completely ecstatic about getting Simmons and feels it was a dumb move by the Braves.

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    Tyler Says:

    It’s a shame the d backs turned down the Miller for Pollack trade. That would have been an excellent trade.

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    Shaun Says:

    Good points from Rob Neyer that full-on rebuilds always work in baseball: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/atlanta-braves-rebuilding-andrelton-simmons-trades-pirates-royals-cubs-mets-111815

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    Walker Says:

    Another dumb quote from Coppy:

    “I’m getting so tired of this. If guys want to take shots, or (degrade) us, fine. But let’s let it play out for a few years before we start branding our pitchforks and torches. I feel in my heart this is the best for the Braves . . . “Trust me. We are not tanking . . . There is a method to this madness. Judge our trades in two to three years. Not now . . . If we truly were going to tank, we wouldn’t have had Aybar come back in the trade. If we were trying to tank, we wouldn’t have signed (catcher) A.J. Pierzynski. If we were trying to tank, we would have traded Maybin at the deadline last year, and we had plenty of offers . . . We’re not afraid of the criticism and taking the risk,” Coppolella said, “but we’re tired of it.”

    Lol so having Erik Ayabar, AJ, and Maybin on our team automatically means the Braves are trying to be competitive. Braves fans aren’t stupid. These guys are the biggest liars in any front office in sports. Be honest for once.

  21. 21
    Eric Says:

    Trades that involve potential hall of famers, rarely seem to work out for the team taking prospects. Simmons was a sure thing for at least the next 5-7 years, how many of those prized pitching prospects will have blown out there arms before then.

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    Chris Says:

    Exactly. We traded a shortstop who is a better fielder than Ozzie Smith for two lottery tickets and a declining mid tier shortstop. And Simmons plays 162 games per season or close to it. How many games does Newcomb potentially pitch in?

    Coppolella is immature and not as smart as he thinks he is. If he was actually the smartest guy in the room, he’d shut his mouth and stop insulting our intelligence with his lies.

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    Eric F. Says:

    Chris I 100% agree with you.The Simmons traded made no sense at all. I was becoming like “hey they’re going to lose 100 games but at least I can be entertained by watching Simmons play shortstop.I don’t even have that now.Braves seem like they don’t want to win or get better.they just want to save money and stock pile minor league pitchers.

  24. 24
    Tyler Says:

    Eric F, in Copy’s defense, that’s how the Braves turned it around in the early 90’s. We all know how that turned out.

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    Chris Says:

    I don’t agree, Tyler. Cox was building the team around pitching as apparently Coppy is. He would have kept Simmons to support Glavine, Smith, Coffman, etc. The only fan favorite to leave was Murphy, and that was at Murph’s request. Cox didn’t want to let him go, because he has a heart. How cool would it have been to have Murph coming off the bench in ’91?

    You love a team for the players on it. Coppy doesn’t give a crap. In fact, he would probably trade a fan favorite just to prove to everyone that he’s the most important person in the organization. The twerp thinks building a rotisserie team is what a GM does.

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    Eric Says:

    Exactly, and people keep using K.C, Chicago, Houston as examples, but what about all the failed projects, Miami, Colorado, Minnesota. For every team that has a successful rebuild, there are just as many failures if not more.

    Coppy just comes off as so arrogant in his decisions. The last 2 major trades that we have had have felt like Coppy trades and not Hart trades. Look at St. Louis as example, they have built a complete winning culture from the ground up, they are loyal to their best players, and they treat their fan base probably better than any other team. Surprise Surprise Heyward had a career year there.

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    James Says:

    I’ve got a question for everyone. Is Coppy as bad or even possibly worse than Wren? It’s Wren’s fault we’we even in this situation to begin with. Coppy is arrogant, absolutely. Hart even insinuated as much on Buck and Cincade yesterday. I hope Coppy will learn and get better. But I still feel that, despite his arrogance, we should give him the benefit of the doubt until a couple years when we will be seeing these moves start coming to fruition. He’s playing the cards Wren delt him, but his arrogance is way too off-putting.

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    Eric Says:

    Don’t get me wrong, Wren made some really bad moves, but at least you felt like his heart was in it, and he was really trying to put the best product he could out there. Upton and Uggla forgot how to play baseball, hard to predict that.

    With Coppy, what has he done to earn and confidence from the fans, granted we don’t have anywhere close to the information he does, but still there is no track record there to feel good about his decisions.

    I love this team, but really don’t wanna see “Top ten worst trades in baseball history lists for the next 50 years, coming in at no. 7 Simmons”….great.

  29. 29
    Chris Says:

    I think Coppy makes Frank Wren look like Branch Rickey.

  30. 30
    James Says:

    Look, I disliked the Simmons trade as much as anyone. But it’s not fair to insinuate that Coppy simply doesn’t care simply for the reason that he traded our favorite player. If he genuinely thinks that the package he got in return for Simmons makes this team better in the future, that’s caring. It may not have been the move we would have liked to see; we’re certainly free to criticize it. It’s certainly arrogant, but arronce isn’t necessarily synonymous with not caring.

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    Jeff Says:

    We traded Maybin for two more pitchers.
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/tigers-acquire-cameron-maybin.html

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    Eric Says:

    At this point you almost hope for Freddie to get a trade, no way he signed up for this.

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    Chris Says:

    This surely seems like a quaint idea for those who think anything the market allows is something to embrace, but I have a problem with signing players to team friendly contracts, signed by the players with the assurance that they’ll with the team long term — I mean, why else would they give a discount on their services? — and then shortly thereafter selling them off, presumably profiting off of their discounted contracts.

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    Shaun Says:

    Eric (comment 26) says, “Exactly, and people keep using K.C, Chicago, Houston as examples, but what about all the failed projects, Miami, Colorado, Minnesota. For every team that has a successful rebuild, there are just as many failures if not more.”

    Teams that have failed never fully committed to a true rebuild. Rebuilding hasn’t worked when teams try to have it both ways.

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    Eric Says:

    The Royals sucked for like 8 years, and were even worse before 2004. How long was Pittsburgh god awful for since like 94′? The Marlins, have basically followed the current Braves strategy since their existence, how often does it work out for them? I’m all for a rebuild, but just assuming that it is going to work, can be a dangerous mistake. Predicting how 17-22 year old are going to develop can be very hit or miss.

    Potential hall of famers are so rare, the 1% of the 1%, and to assume that they can just be replaced by so easily, I think is what is so frustrating.

  36. 36
    Shaun Says:

    @35 – When teams fully commit to a rebuild, they become contenders. It wasn’t until teams like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and the Marlins fully committed to a rebuild (or decided to actually spend big money, in the case of some of the Marlins’ contending seasons) that their rebuilding worked. Their failures were a result of trying to have it both ways. Trying not to alienate fans was a counterproductive strategy. When they stopped worrying about that and actually committed to loading up on talent, that’s when things turned around.

    Yes, it’s impossible to project the future, what 17-22-year-old players will become. But most major league teams are very good at scouting talent. So what they can do is use their resources and assets to load up on talent. Load up on enough talent and eventually you have enough to field a good, cost-controlled Major League team, and you can fill holes with reasonably priced (for your team) free agents. That’s how rebuilding works. It’s not trading all-stars and Hall of Famers (potentially) and hope you get a Hall of Famer in return. It’s loading up on as much talent as possible and hitting on enough so that eventually you have so much that it becomes a good Major League team. So you might not have a Hall of Famer in the bunch. But you’ll have enough talent to contend. And I think this always works if a team fully commits.

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    Walker Says:

    Great we signed a pitcher that is not only sucky at his job but also extremely ignorant.

    From Bud Norris on Foreign born players:

    We’re opening this game to everyone that can play. However, if you’re going to come into our country and make our American dollars, you need to respect a game that has been here for over a hundred years, and I think sometimes that can be misconstrued. There are some players that have antics, that have done things over the years that we don’t necessarily agree with.

  38. 38
    Eric Says:

    @36 Great points Shaun, actually helped to shed some light on situation.

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    Chris Says:

    “Fully commit” is a subjective term. It’s in the eye of the beholder. If things don’t work out, you can still be right in your mind because you can say the commitment wasn’t full enough.

    In any case, attendance does matter. That’s real money. Not only do tickets and concessions count, but it effects advertising revenue and the ability to secure loans. This is a business, not a rotisserie team. Depending on what the balance sheet looks like, a team can take somewhat of a hit. But losing 20% off of a number that was stagnant for a decade is not a trend any business can afford.

  40. 40
    Chris #2 Says:

    I firmly believe that the team already committed to a full rebuild. However, the FO just won’t tell the fans. The Zobrist rumor and Joc Pederson for Shelby Miller are great signs of a nice turn around for 2017. If they pull this off… We will all look really stupid.

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    Eric Says:

    True, we ready for our next show!

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    Shaun Says:

    Chris @39, I agree there is a lot of subjectivity in the term “fully commit.” But I just mean teams willing to trade literally any piece that is going to cost them in the future for talented pieces that will cost a lot less.

    I think some mediocre-to-bad teams have hung on to some players instead of trading them when their value is high, because they are afraid of the PR hit or the attendance hit. That is what I mean by not being fully committed to a rebuild. That is often counterproductive for a team that is going to be mediocre-or-bad anyway.

    Fans will come back or new fans will come when a team starts winning. Many don’t want to admit it or don’t want to realize it but sports teams rarely do irreversible damage. Fans show up to see a winner, regardless of what happened in the past. Winning covers a multitude of (perceived) past sins.

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    Shaun Says:

    I can understand why it makes us uncomfortable to see the Braves or any team tear it all down and try and build it back up but the uncomfortable fact is, aside from extreme cases like when the Marlins do tear down and rebuild multiple times within such a short span, it works.

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    Eric Says:

    I am no expert, but didn’t the Astros and Cubs, build themselves up by getting really good position players, I know the plan is to trade excess pitching to grab some young talent, but what if teams are valuing top position players higher than pitching now, and we end up with lots of pitching with spare parts in the field.

  45. 45
    Chris Says:

    The point I’m trying to make is that season ticket sales count. Some new fan, likely a teenager or 20 something bro, isn’t going to be able to shell out $3,000-$5,000 for a seat. And I don’t think new season ticket purchasing fans come from the 40-50 something set. They’ve already developed an expensive hobby at that point. So you have to take care of the people with the money, those who have already developed the habit of paying the Braves that kind of cash. People who have been fans for a while.

    You know that Freeman was being actively shopped, right? There was a deal going down with the Astros. After the Simmons trade, Freeman got pulled out. You can be sure that the phones were ringing in the ticket office after that went down.

    You do a teardown where you get rid of every player worth something, your ticket revenue is going to crater. And then you struggle to even finance your rebuild.

    Ted Turner is no idiot. He never traded Niekro.

  46. 46
    Chris Says:

    So I give teams more credit. They’re not being dumb because they don’t do a complete tear down. They don’t lack commitment. They’re totally committed to their businesses, because that’s what they are.

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    Curt Says:

    They don’t care at all about attendance next season. The lame duck season at Turner wasn’t going to be breaking any records anyway, so why not just sacrifice that season as part of this process. We discussed it on the show a couple of times, but you wonder if after they won 96 games, if they were in Sun Trust Park if they would have gone this route. It would have been a much tougher sell to a ‘full’ house up there in a new shiny publicly funded park that the answer was to destroy your major league team for three seasons. Figure they think they can get away with it in year one up there because people will be excited enough about the new park to show up. But that sentiment won’t last long.

    And as far as pitching prospects not being as valuable as hitting prospects – we’re already seeing it. Reportedly, the Braves offered Shelby Miller, Vizcaino, and a prospect for AJ Pollock and Aaron Blair (RHP, #3 prospect) and were rejected. A cheap, really good, controllable ML ready #1 or 2, a young, controllable, really good closer, and a prospect, for a guy with, albeit exciting numbers, one REALLY good year in the major leagues. And they said no. If Miller was a FA right now, he would be looking at seven figure deals, if not very close to it. So, the Braves might have tons of pitching prospects, but going 2 for 1 in deals for hitting prospects or worse will thin that herd very, very quickly. And, again, you have to keep the right ones. Trading the Wainwright and keeping the Minor is not going to get this team back to the promised land.

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    Chris Says:

    Well, attendance dropped by 400,000 last year. That’s probably $20,000,000. You don’t think they care about that, Curt?

  49. 49
    Curt Says:

    Nothing they could do at this point is going to make next season produce a big jump in attendance. Chances were that barring a WS caliber team playing next year, attendance was going to be down because the team wasn’t very good and they are moving out of Turner Field, which doesn’t exactly ring with nostalgia. The attendance was going to be bad regardless, so fielding another lousy team next year was not going to make that big of a difference overall. So in that regard, they don’t care if attendance drops 400k or 600k. It’s the cost of undertaking this rebuild and the cost of abandoning their in-town fans.

    And despite that $20 million figure, they made money this year. And when they hit Sun Trust, they will be making money hand over fist, regardless of the product on the field or the fans in the seats. Exactly the way they want it.

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    Shaun Says:

    Again, fans will come back and they will gain a number of new fans for every one that does not, if and when they start winning again.

    Look at the Pirates, Astros, and Royals. Those franchises made moves that many would argue alienated fans. But as soon as they started winning again, they drew fans.

    No, teams shouldn’t follow the Marlins’ example of complete tear-downs and rebuilds every few seasons. I think that does in fact alienate fans. But the flip side of that is you don’t want your franchise to be the Phillies either, where they are trying to hold on to their glory days too long. At a certain point, a franchise might need to tear down and rebuild and ignore the conventional *wisdom* about alienating fans. It’s a myth. Fans come to see a winner. Nothing that was done previously will keep fans away from wanting to see a winner (again, aside from what the Marlins have done).

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    Shaun Says:

    Curt @47, yeah, I think they’ll eventually trade Freeman for position players. At some point I think a team will give them a great offer and all Coppolella will have to say to backtrack is, “we didn’t intend to trade Freeman, but this was too good to pass up.”

    Also, I think there’s a good chance Miller and/or Teheran will eventually net them a good young position player or two or three (if they trade both). I think the opportunity hasn’t been there yet. I think Arizona is an odd trading partner because they are sort of a rebuilding team, so it’s hard for them to part with a good centerfielder who is still fairly young and cheap.

  52. 52
    Shaun Says:

    Also, Pollock is a lot better than a lot of people realize and Miller is probably not as good as he might seem.

  53. 53
    Nate Says:

    I used to be borderline obsessed with the Braves as a kid. (I was 10 when we won the World Series.) As an adult, I find it hard to get excited about a team that hasn’t been relevant for the better part of the 2000s, and one that probably won’t be relevant for another 5+ years.

    Needless to say, this offseason has been a major disappointment thus far. You have to score runs to win games, and our lineup was hot garbage in 2015 and will be again in 2016. Kudos to those still holding onto the hope. I don’t see it.

  54. 54
    Eric Says:

    If braves select a pitcher with the 3rd pick next year, then I’ll be very worried. Having to watch Nick Swisher and Michael Bourne next year is really really gonna suck though.

  55. 55
    Chris Says:

    Well Curt, you’re clearly much brighter than I am. Crazy me, $20M sounds like something significant. Perhaps in the next show, you can explain the Braves finances to those of us who lack your intellect. Because I’m so dimwitted, I can’t fathom how the Braves would blithely shrug off losing another 400,000 to 600,000 attendees last year off of 2015’s total, let along not care whether ten or 30,000 fans show up per game in 2017.

  56. 56
    Steve Says:

    Chris (@55) – not sure what you’re arguing about. The Braves made $20MM last year despite the decline in attendance because of payroll restrictions. And that model will continue again this year given that they shed a ton more payroll and now DOB is reporting that they only have $15MM to spend this offseason. Remember that most estimates had them at $30MM or higher in available funds this offseason. Liberty Media seems to be already planning for an expected further decline in attendance and is squirreling away that money already.

    Another indicator of that is the team put single game tickets on sale on Cyber Monday this year. They have never, ever put single game tickets on sale earlier than late January/February.

    If Liberty Media is limiting spend this offseason, which we know they are, and the team was as bad as they were last year then they no attendance will be down. I see no other way to describe it.

  57. 57
    Shaun Says:

    Of course they would love to draw more fans than they expect to in 2016, but as long as the balance sheet works out, they sort of don’t care. They know if and when they build a winner, they’ll draw fans. That might be uncomfortable and feel dirty but that’s the truth.

  58. 58
    Eric F. Says:

    Shelby Miller traded to DBacks for Ender Inciarte,Aaron Blair and Dansby Swanson.

  59. 59
    Tyler Says:

    Which is an absolute steal for the Braves.

  60. 60
    Eric Says:

    This is a sick trade for Atlanta, nice work Coppy.

  61. 61
    Chris P. Says:

    This trade was a haul that I would think Jose Fernandez would have brought in… So, we traded Jason Heyward for 1 year of Shelby Miller, 6 years of Swanson, 6 years of Blair and 5 years of Inciarte. That Simmons trade doesn’t sting nearly as bad. I can’t even believe how lopsided this trade was… AZ will regret this trade

  62. 62
    Walker Says:

    Great trade made with Arizona and we sign Flowers. Betancourt will be a solid player though. It’s ashame we gave up on him so fast. He still raw and extremely talented. Oh well.

  63. 63
    Eric Says:

    Betancourt stinks, no offense, and he was supposed to be a great defender, and had countless pass balls from poor positioning.

  64. 64
    Steve Says:

    The trade is obscene. Can’t believe it. The Toussant trade was also lopsided, but this is a whole other level. And Chris P. – the math equation of what Heyward REALLY turned into is fantastic way to look at it. AND – Swanson!!! The #1 frigging pick. Who could, legitimately be a 5 tool, franchise cornerstone. What a day.

  65. 65
    Steve Says:

    Walker – I agree with you that the Braves might have given up too early on him. But, it’s a perfect storm of giving him the job too early, him struggling, and a new FO who watched it happen with little ties to him.

  66. 66
    Eric F. Says:

    Yes this was a good trade for the Braves. I’m starting to see a glimmer of hope for the future.As far as Betancourt i’ve been very disappointed in him.
    When is next show coming? Looking forward to it.

  67. 67
    Steve Says:

    Next show will tomorrow (Thursday) night.

  68. 68
    Shaun Says:

    That is the kind of return you expect for Freddie Freeman, not Shelby Miller (and an extra piece).

  69. 69
    Walker Says:

    It definitely nice to finally get some offensive pieces in here AND another pitching prospect. Lets do this again!! Coppy may be a liar but he fleeced the Diamondbacks.

  70. 70
    Chris P. Says:

    @Steve – I forgot to add we also nabbed 6 years of Tyrell Jenkins! How could I forget that little ace in the hole. RIP – JHey but, damn it was worth it!

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