December 10, 2015

Show #322: The Shelby Miller Trade

Reactions to the Shelby trade. The offseason budget. The end of the Christian Bethancourt era.



25 Responses to “Show #322: The Shelby Miller Trade”

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    Tyler Says:

    Would y’all conside Swanson our version of Corey Seager? And I absolutely dread even the thought of Hayward signing with the Nationals.

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    Eric Says:

    I think Folty’s destiny is for the bullpen honestly, that fastball is straight as an arrow. Be effective for an inning, but hitters would adjust over the course of a game.

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    Chris P. Says:

    @Eric – We are not watching the same Folty. He has control issues and that fastball has alot of life. It was flat at the end of the season when he was injured.
    @Tyler – “Danson Swansby” sounds so much better and I would compared him to a Anthony Rendon (toolset) however, he was graced with better genetics. Shorter and smaller players don’t maintain thier peak as well as the body type of “Swansby”. So, yeah we have a Rendon on steroids.

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    Eric Says:

    Granted I didn’t watch all his starts, the few I did, he just seemed to serve it up, but I may have seen his more injured starts.

    Wisler is the one I’m pretty excited for, he was up and down start to start, but when he was good he was really good. Wouldn’t mind the Braves selling high on Teheran also, but teams may be more hesitant to trade after robbing Arizona.

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    Chris P. Says:

    @Eric – Wisler is the real deal. He looks like a right handed Tom Glavine. He pitches with finesse and deceptive percision. I would love for Atlanta to trade off Teheran. If the Dodgers don’t get Cueto, then Atlanta will serve up Teheran and they will do the same to LA that they did to ARI. Plus, how are all these young arms going to get exposure?

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    Steve Says:

    Chris P. the easy, cliche answer: good problem to have

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    James Says:

    This is strictly hypothetical, but for the sake of argument, let’s say the trade for Swanson made Albeis expendable. What would y’all think of a trade that sent Albeis and Teheran to the Cubs for Javier Baez and let’s say one of their top pitching prospects. We could sign another free agent starter to a 3 year deal to give the rotation some experience. You would then have a middle infield of Swanson and Baez. That’s better than Swanson Albeis.

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    James Says:

    Give Scott Kazmir 4 yr/65

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    James Says:

    I’m sorry, I meant 4yr/50.

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    Walker Says:

    I’m not a big believer in the leadership/team chemistry aspect of building a team but I would want a guy like Swisher on this team next year. Plus he’s a switch hitter and plays OF/1B/Pinch hitter. If we trade him we are picking up most his salary anyway. Saving another 2-3 million that some team picks up from his contract isn’t much(But that’s easy for me to say). Trade Bourn.

    Also is Olivera really that bad a defensive 3b?

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    Eric Says:

    I couldn’t disagree more on team chemistry, teams that like each other always seem to play better in the long run, look at the Nats as example of poor team chemistry.

    Can someone tell Jeff Schultz to stop writing about the braves, man he sucks.

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    Chris P. Says:

    DFA Bourn, Keep Swisher and if someone offers a Kingdom’s Ransom trade Freeman and use Swisher for backup. Please note I didn’t say “King’s” I used the word “Kingdom’s” before any hate is published. Personally, I don’t see the reason in keeping Freeman. This rebuild feels like a half measure if Freeman and Teheran stay.

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    Eric Says:

    I would keep Freeman until the deadline, I think teams are hesitant because of that wrist injury. I’ve heard wrist injuries for hitters are compared to elbow problems for pitchers.

    A team may be desperate for a starter before the start of the season, which would be perfect time to trade Teheran. I think a trade with the Dodgers is possible, but they aren’t dumb like Arizona.

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    Tyler Says:

    I’d only trade Freeman is someone was willing to overpay. No need to otherwise. I’d like to see the Braves sign Henderson Alvarez to a contract. He was a stud last year before his injury. He would only be here until the all-star break if he can regain his form. If he’s good again we could get something back.

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    Walker Says:

    I just saw the Cubs projected 2016 lineup. All I can say is WOW. 2016 Champs. I’m predicting that now.

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    Eric F. Says:

    Just for fun Anyone want to give your predicted 2017 lineup?

    Possible Options:

    C – Flowers/Herbert
    1B- Freeman
    2B- Peterson
    SS- Swanson/Cruz
    3B- Olivera/Ruiz/Garcia
    LF- Bourn/Swisher/Pache
    CF- Smith/Inciarte
    RF- Markakis/Davidson

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    Tyler Says:

    Neither Swisher or Bourn will be on the team in 2017. I think Swisher’s contract is up and Bourn will most likely be dfa’d.

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    Walker Says:

    Chipper hired as Special assistant and MAYBE 2016 opening day Third Basemen. Hmmm I’m getting a Michael Jordan Wizards feeling. lol

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    Tyler Says:

    It feels like its a role that will groom him to possibly become manager.

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    Walker Says:

    Chipper has said many times before he could never be a manager. Only a hitting coach.

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    Chris P. Says:

    @Eric – The Dodgers are as stupid as the Diamondbacks. They just have alot of money to cover up the holes that the DBacks cannot. Look at thier trades and see blatent inconsistency. What are they trying to do? Rebuild? Retool? Or win a championship?

    I believe the Diamondbacks are more intelligent in the FO. The Braves just had their foot down and got what they wanted for Miller.

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    Eric Says:

    I guess I felt the Dodgers got the better of us in the Olivera trade, from what I’ve heard I think they also have a top 5 farm system. In general yes, they can afford to cover up a lot of stupid mistakes. I think fans are much more realistic now with expectations for this team and timeline, which makes that trade so puzzling. Olivera’s best years will probably happen when we stink.

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    Chris P. Says:

    @Eric- The Olivera trade is a steal. If this guy hits 20+ HR/year for under 100 million in salary then we did great. Dodgers only have Alex Wood from that trade now… So in retrospective it looks like a great trade. Just look at the bloated contracts of power hitters and consider the fact we may have just got a great hitter for a 1/5th of the cost. If I was Coppy I would have taken a chance on that too!

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    Eric Says:

    Another positive to it, is that if Olivera has a monster 1st half we could flip him for absurd value.

    Peraza does rate out #1 in Cincys farm, no clue what Dodgers got for him.

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    Shaun Says:

    MLB Pipeline has Peraza as Cincinnati’s #1 prospect. But they don’t have a lot of outstanding talent in their system. They grade him at 55 overall, on the 20-to-80 scale.

    I’m no scout but the one time I saw him play, he reminded me of Omar Infante. He’s probably faster and better defensively than Infante but might be worse at the plate.

    I’m kind of surprised he ranks ahead of some other guys in the Reds’ system, but maybe it’s because of his relatively high floor. He’s a safe bet to be a valuable player in the big leagues even if he’s not an impact player, whereas some other guys in the Reds’ system have higher ceilings.

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