July 02, 2017

Show #373: The Past, Present, and Future of Braves Pitching

Colon gone. Folty great. Is there a trade on the horizon. ASG updates and ranking the Rebuild.

 

 

11 Responses to “Show #373: The Past, Present, and Future of Braves Pitching”

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    Tyler Says:

    I read that the target for Freeman’s return was on Thursday for the Nationals series

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    Aaron Says:

    I’m sorry but saying you wouldn’t trade Sims and Dustin Peterson for Archer or Gray is borderline idiotic

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    Tyler Says:

    Aaron, I agree with you 100%, although the hosts have proven countless times that they are not idiots. Their take on trading Sims and Peterson for Gray is a bit ludicrous. I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. The farm system is deep enough to allow for a trade like that to happen.

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    Tyler Says:

    It would be tough to trade Sims, but D. Peterson is perfectly expendable.

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    Why We Chop Says:

    Hey guys found out about you guys via twitter this morning, first time listener obviously. Loved the show!
    I must concur with the previous posts, however. Peterson and Sims are our #17 and #18 prospects respectively. I would trade them for one of Gray/Archer in a heartbeat. I guarantee both teams laugh and hang up the phone at those offers. It’s gonna take a couple top 10 prospect to get one of those guys.

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    ham Says:

    our point was that it would take a lot more than sims and peterson for gray. And at some point, it becomes too much. I think our point is that what it would take to get sonny gray is more than we think coppy would be willing to part with. And to be fair, we are idiots.

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    Yaramah Z Says:

    @6 Ok, that argument makes more sense. In the show, it came off like what Aaron described, which I couldn’t agree with. I suspect the A’s and Rays would demand Albies, which would make it too much.

    From my standpoint, I only want to do trades that improve the team right now. So if you think Albies > Philips, then sure trade away. But lets not do it just to see if Albies is ready. Same with starting pitching, only trade away Garcia if you think an arm on the farm is ready to go. Besides, I don’t think we’d get much for either of them (Garcia and Philips) to make it worthwhile to take the hit to the major league team. Personally, unless Philips falls off a cliff, I’d call up Albies in September, and same for other pitching prospects. The calculus changes if we fall out of the race in the next month.

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    Yaramah Z Says:

    I think its also interesting looking at the last few years.

    2016: Trade away Aybar to allow Swanson to play. Trade for Kemp. Team was better for it and played much better 2nd half.
    2015: Trade away Uribe and KJ for minor league prospects… which signaled to the team that they were giving up. Braves fall away dramatically in 2015.

    I think in 2017, if we make trades that improve the team, would be much better than trading off current for future assets.

    Regardless of what happens, one thing I definitely agree with you guys on is that we definitely have an interesting team. Makes it much easier to follow the Braves for the rest of the season.

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    Shaun Says:

    To a point, future versus current assets matter, when it comes to trades. It matters in terms of contract status more than in terms of when the player will be ready. I think, for the most part, it’s about talent and contract status more than whether a player is going to be ready in 2017 or 2020.

    In today’s game, I think front offices realize that everyone is a future asset when you are evaluating whether to make a trade or not. Brandon Phillips may not play well starting tomorrow or starting in August or September. And some guy who may not be projected to be a major league regular until 2020, may come up and do fine tomorrow.

    Of course teams in the think of the playoff hunt should worry more about tomorrow than next year or the year after (to a large degree). But a team like the Braves can’t be too hung up on whether a veteran looks like he’s going to continue to play well or whether a prospect looks like he’s not going to be ready for another year or two. Talent and contract status take president over all that.

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    William A Says:

    The Astros may have done the Braves a favor recently in reminding everyone this team, Atlanta, is not ready for primetime, or capable of making some mythical playoff run in 2017. That said, keep the powder dry, the prized prospects in the fold, analyze-improvise-adapt-overcome for a far more serious run next year and beyond.

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    Shaun Says:

    Both Phillips and Garcia are free agents after the season. No need to keep them around, if the Braves get prospects with any kind of decent major league projection, unless they were to somehow make an unbelievable run over the next two weeks. The fact that both players are free agents after the season is a huge factor.

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