June 28, 2009

Show #67: The Yankees Series Marks the Beginning of the End?

The series loss to the Yankees.  What to do with Yunel?  Smoltz’s first start.  And bright spots for the 2009 Braves.



87 Responses to “Show #67: The Yankees Series Marks the Beginning of the End?”

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Good show guys.

    Tommy Hanson = Wow. I totally had him pegged for his first loss today.

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    jrdbraves Says:

    The infield defense is terrible. This team has too much starting pitching to give away games with bad defense.

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    Leah Says:

    Thanks for trying to end the show on a positive note guys. Still very much deflated but thanks for trying.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    I don’t think it’s possible to win with a guy like Escobar in the middle of the infield. He’s not a winner. I would love to see him shipped off over the winter. I agree with Steve that trading him during the season would smell of desperation and reduce his value.

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    Anne Says:

    Agree with Steve 110% on Smoltz opinion. Happy happy happy that maybe one dumb thing the front office did doesn’t seem quite so dumb after all…if only for a moment. I’ll keep a side “Front Office Smoltz Redemption Tracker” for myself. Also agree with Chris — Escobar through the full season, please. Then do as you will and see who else might be willing to bite.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    I followed the Smoltz game on the radio. His fastballs were getting creamed. The outs were screaming line drives. He was lucky to escape with only 5 ER’s. He was getting outs in the later innings with his slider. That’s in keeping with the minor league scouting on him: the only above average pitch he has left is the slider. The man knows how to pitch and has the heart of a lion, so with four pitches, he may be able to make it as a 4th starter. If we start hearing that he’s employing his 5th pitch (the knuckler) though, then he’s desperate and done. Anyway, a bad club was hitting him hard. Let’s see what the Yankees do.

    I’ll be glad to see Wren redeemed on this one. He’s not supposed to put together an old timer’s team.

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    Steve Says:

    A couple of things. I think Esco can and should be an integral part of this team going forward. He’s great in the field, most of the time, he’s one of our best hitters and he’s dirt cheap. My reasoning for saying let’s trade him is that I think Bobby will be here for 1 or 2 more seasons and that will lead to a further poisoning of Escobar’s attitude and stature on the team. Bobby doesn’t like him. It never ends well when Bobby doesn’t like you. And I think, despite the stench of desperation, we’d get a bunch for Esco tomorrow. All of that said, Esco ain’t going anywhere. And with Smoltz. It’s the same damn thing as with Glavine. Good baseball decision – BADLY, BADLY, BADLY executed. Smoltz, I believe, will be average this year. And the scouting reports were clearly right on Glavine. If they weren’t he’d be pitching somewhere. I believe that Glavine was so pissed he’d have accepted an offer almost anywhere to show the Braves were wrong. But his phone clearly did not ring. But all the baseball stuff is besides the point with Smoltz and Glavine. The front office handled two legends with no consideration for their stature at all. I’m not even talking about “respecting” them. I’m talking about handling them in a way where their long term relationship with the team would be unaffected. Wren screwed that up with both about 10 different ways.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    Steve, with Smoltz, I don’t know how it could have gone well. Smoltz went to Boston because of the guaranteed money and the chance for the WS. There’s nothing wrong with that. Wren could have been calling Smoltz every week over the winter and fawning all over him, but Smoltz was going anyway. He wants to win. But Smoltz wasn’t going to leave town without turning it into a Smoltzie victimization drama. How else could he explain to his church friends in Alpharetta that he was going? The man has a major chip on his shoulder. It makes him a jerk of human being and also made him a great pitcher.

    I agree with Glavine. Ironically, Schuerholz wrote a book a few years back in which he emphasized the importance of being clear with employees about expectations. Wren should read it.

    Anyway, great athletes usually don’t go gently into the good night. I’m sure Kid Nichols had a bad ending, too; but the organization seems to have survived that one.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    It’s hard for me to root for Smoltz to fail…. wait….. no it’s not.

    Fail & fail hard, John. Any chance you’ll go to the press with regrets over your hot mouth when Wren made the right (non-) choice? Didn’t think so.

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    JFranco Says:

    Great show!

    Braves need to take 2 from Philly this series 1 win a series ain’t cutting it

    Tommy hanson doing great trying to get him on my fantasy team.

    Cox needs to play Yunel he is a solid SS. They need wins play the guy

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    JFranco Says:

    Don’t get me wrong my favorite player is Chipper Jones but when do the braves
    realize they need a new franchise player. Is hanson it? Because who else is it gonna
    be. I know Chip just signed a new contract last year but do you trade him or wait for
    him to retire? With the addition of Hanson and Nate this team can turn around with
    another big name in the line up. I believe Chipper can make an impact with a team
    in contention this year and maybe Braves can get someone to rebuild around.

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    Curt Says:

    Sporting News has the Braves ranked 24th today. That’s out of 30 people. Not saying these rankings mean much, but 24th? Yikes.

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    Steve Says:

    Chris in Boston: I agree with you to a point on Smoltz. He was likely out of here, short of a 5MM offer from the Braves. But, I think that Wren could have done more fawning and communicating. CYA, baby. The Braves should have known it was going to end how it did, because they should have had an idea heading into the off-season what they would pay him and they should have known it wasn’t going to be enough. With that in mind, you stay very communicative (to your point about the Schuerholz book) so that when the end comes, there way less for Smoltz, the primadonna, to complain about.

    JFranco: Hanson, maybe. McCann, definitely. McCann is now your heir apparent, in my opinion.

    Curt: Yeah. Not exactly heady days right now. Not until the sweep of the Phillies that is!

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    Scott Says:

    Thanks for the shout out for my dog Tucker–she was a true friend and was with me for eighteen years–she will be missed; that said, Bobby has been with us for at least that long and I’ve been considering having him put down. Am I wrong? Good points about Yunel although I am angry with him for being such a petulant child. The Yankees series and the insertion of Bennett at a crucial moment were, in my opinion, the beginning of the end of this season’s hopes. It’s time to start celebrating the young core of Hanson, Mclouth, McCann and even Medlin and to watch their evolution–or, for those who don’t believe in evolution; the advancement of their intelligent design. Go Braves!

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    JFranco Says:

    McCann yes is a great player. Now I’ve never met the guy he just doesn’t seem like he can take over being the captain if this team.

    I can’t wait for the return of Hudson, He will bring more confidence into the locker room and on the field.

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    Will Says:

    Good show again and think we keep YE and work on him.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Braves 5, Phillies 4

    Man, that was a great, great ballgame. Wow. Absolutely beautiful stuff. Way to go, Braves.

    PLEASE take this series.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub – great, great ballgame indeed. It seems so long since we’d gotten any hits in a ballgame. What a joy to watch the team when it actually generates some offense. 13 hits! Obscene! I used red and blue thumbtacks to put my Martin Prado poster up on my wall.

    Anne – great base running by your boy Matty in the 10th. Helped win the game.

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    Steve Says:

    Did anyone see if Garrett Anderson was in the group of players that mobbed Prado after the game winner? I looked hard for him and could not see him. He wouldn’t actually just walk into the clubhouse while the celebration is happening on the field, would he?

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve, check 0:37 in this highlight video. That might be him to Hudson’s left. I think he took the field. I hope so. That would be a little too much.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Ooops, forgot the link.


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    Leah Says:

    Like I said last week…timely hits leading to timely runs…leading to consecutive wins. Didn’t I also ask why Prado doesn’t atleast platoon with KJ? I don’t care what Kelly did last Sept. Great win. Dare I hope for a streak to rival the season’s best…3 wins?

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    Hamilton Says:

    Yup – that’s GA. He is just too slow to have made it to Prado in time. I think he just had a poor read on where Prado was headed and then, fearing hurting himself, short-armed him right at the last minute.

    Let me just jinx us now, but if we win two more, we are 2 back from the Phillies. The Mets are sucking wind, and the Marlins are almost as inconsistent as we are.

    We can build on this!

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    Steve Says:

    Agreed – that is definitely GA. Nice work, Mr. Zapruder. And yeah Hammy – I’m letting my mind play all those games, too. Hamels has not been Superman this season. Let’s win tonight. C’mon, let’s win tonight!

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    Bubdylan Says:

    “Nice work, Mr. Zapruder.”

    lol. “loafing… and to the left. loafing… and to the left.”

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