July 12, 2009

Show #69: We Sit Down with Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus AND the Jeff Francoeur Trade

Kevin Goldstein talks to us about Frenchy, Bobby, Tommy Hanson, Jordan Schafer, and much more.



91 Responses to “Show #69: We Sit Down with Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus AND the Jeff Francoeur Trade”

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  1. 1
    D Lowe Says:

    Good podcast fellas. Good networking. Enjoyed!

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    Steve Says:

    Hey faithful listeners. If you feel compelled (or are just willing to), spread the word about this one on any of your favorite blogs, forums, Facebook groups, etc. We’re proud of this one and really want to get the word out. Thanks.

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    clinton Says:

    great show

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    Steve Says:

    Keep the Frenchy tracker the same! Just follow him in NY, or add a Church and Frenchy comparison so we see how they stack up against each other each week. Great show, keeps me fill in on all things Atlanta Braves while living in enemy territory (PA)

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    Leah Says:

    I like Steve’s idea of a comparison although it makes me a little nervous. I usually feel like no matter how badly the team plays you guys find a bright spot in a sea of dreariness. No doubt this was a great podcast but I’m a little bummed. I hope after the all star break we have some sort of spark of excitment. I’m going to Friday night’s game and am excited to see Maddox’s # retired. If The mets win I will be the one running onto the field and body slamming Frenchy. Curt will you promise to wake up your children and spank them?

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    Anne Says:

    Leah, I’m going to Sunday’s game so if no one has bailed you out of the Turner Field holding cell by then, I will.

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    Curt Says:

    Nothing like the All Star break to provide a three day reprieve. And this year I’m actually not going to secretly root for the NL thinking that it will give the Braves homefield in the WS.

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    Steve Says:

    Watching the homerun derby last night, I found myself hoping that Ryan Howard would mess up his swing much like Abreu did a few years ago. It got me thinking that spending time wishing ill on our opponents doesn’t speak to highly about my level of optimism coming out of the break.

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    Leah Says:

    As Tex stands on deck my son observes, “the only two good players the Braves have are Chipper Jones and Brian McCann.”. My 8 year old…

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    Bubdylan Says:


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    Steve Says:

    It’s the 5th inning and still no McCann. Given his horrible luck of coming in at the end of these All Star games, I think that Manuel throws caution to the wind and brings him in in the 6th.

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    Leah Says:

    Watching the All-star game reminds me of what good baseball looks like. I want that guy you guys mentioned a few podcasts ago to buy the braves. I miss Tex.

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    Curt Says:

    I really am stunned that the Escobar trade talk continues. You are potentially trading away a franchise caliber guy who plays the most important position in the field for a couple of expiring contracts on guys who won’t resign with you. Add to that, you still aren’t making the playoffs with the move. AND, you take more pop out of the lineup. Are you really going to sell me on Diory Hernandez as the every day SS? Are you kidding?

    So when Bobby Cox retires at the end of this year or next year, was that season and a half worth trading one of your best young players? Isn’t it worth more to the franchise to keep a guy who can help the team, albeit given to some childish antics, rather than an out-of-touch, 75-year-old manager who can consistently guide you to 4th place in the division? Watch Escobar become the model citizen and perennial all star once he leaves Atlanta. I know I am prone to hyperbole, but if they make this move, I have to question if it is worth taking this team seriously.

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    Leah Says:

    I’m with you. Last night I was thinking I should pick an AL team to cheer for. What about the Rangers…maybe I’ll date them for a while. The Braves just don’t seem committed enough.

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    Steve Says:

    Leah – the Ranger’s batting coach cheats with teams all across baseball. Don’t date them. Maybe the Angels?
    And I think all of the Escobar talk is BS. Just like I think all of the Holliday talk is BS. Renting Holliday makes no sense. And getting rid of one of your best offensive players who’s still making not much over league minimum makes even less sense. Bobby may have his issues with him, but I just don’t believe that Wren would move him just to ease coach/player relations. And there is NO OTHER reason to move him.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    Escobar will be more valuable in the off season, and by that time, we’ll have a better understanding about the team’s needs for 2010.

    I think a that purposely being out of position and unwilling to field while the game is on is more than a mere childish antic. He’s 27 years old — in Cuban years, no less — so he’s already had ample time to grow up and become a model citizen. And it’s not Bobby’s fault that Escobar is a horse’s ass.

    I would prefer to have a guy playing SS who knows how many outs there are, how many runners are on base, and cares more about supporting his teammates and winning than how his stats are looking.

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    Curt Says:

    And I would say that he has toned Bobby Cox out and a different manager could get a different reaction from him. He needs direction. Whether he is 27 or not.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    Curt, guys who “need direction” don’t play SS for championship quality teams. I can’t think of such a player. Can you? I can recall a wonderfully talented player with similar issues, though: Gary Templeton. He ended up on the Padres.

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    Curt Says:

    Jose Reyes needs direction and he is one of the best SSs in the league. Hanley Ramirez has had issues. They might not be on championship quality teams, but I guarantee the Sox or any other team in the mix would take them. The Sox want Escobar too. They would love him out there instead of Nick Green. Rafeal Furcal plays SS for the best team in the NL. He hasn’t had problems? They aren’t all Derek Jeter.

    To pass on Escobar to insert Diory Hernandez, or worse, have to go out and spend money signing a SS this off season, who has the same level of ability as Escobar, when you have so many other holes to fill would be insane. Figure him out before you pull the plug and watch another great young talent walk out the door. Thank god we traded Elvis Andrus.

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    Scott Says:

    I agree w/Steve #4–keep the tracker and add Mr. Church so we can evaluate the rewards/deficits of the trade as the season progresses.

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    Bubdylan Says:

    Kelly Johnson for short stop. Make it happen, Wren.

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    Chris in Boston Says:

    Curt, I think our definitions of “need direction” are different. You know that Furcal’s problems were off the field. By all accounts, he has always been a great teammate and a very hard worker. That’s not the “direction” I’m talking about. As for the others, I don’t know much about Ramirez. As for Reyes, when I lived in NY, I saw a lot of him at Shea. I would take him. He made a fraction of the mental mistakes that Escobar does and while he was known to sulk, he was a member of the team. I’m sure that’s still the case. He exhibited nowhere near the level of dysfunction of Escobar. He’s not in Templeton territory. Esco is.

    I’m not advocating replacing Escobar with Diory Hernandez. And I think there are fewer holes than it apppears right now. OF will be fine next year with Diaz/Church, Schaefer, and McLouth with Heyward waiting in the wings. 2B will be very good. 3B will be fine. C great. We need a damned good power hitting 1B. If he can get us that — and I think he can — then trade him. We won’t need a SS of Escobar’s offensive talents with that lineup.

    You have to be a major head case not to get along with Bobby Cox. I appreciate his talents and God knows he’s one of the few threats in the lineup this year. But it will not be some major tragedy when he goes.

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    Steve Says:

    Bub, please tell me you’re kidding.

    And, Chris in Boston. I disagree. I think the outfield is a tattered mess. Heyward may not be up until 2011. And with Schafer’s wrist injury, who knows if he’s ready to move back up to Atlanta next year (sliding McLouth to right). And Church won’t be back next year. And Diaz is not an everyday player. All of which to say, I think there are a bunch of holes to fill and creating another at SS would be a huge mistake.

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    Wiley Says:

    Listening to Baseball Today at ESPN. Peter Pascarelli says their is rumor going around about Escobar for Holliday. Pascarelli believes that this would be quite a bad trade for us. I, personally, agree.

    I suppose that providing a power bat could really help. Yet looking at Holliday’s splits he has not hit a HR since JUNE 5th. I think this could kill us after Yunel has hit 7 long balls and Holliday has gone yard 8 times. I really hope this doesn’t go through. Any other thoughts?

    P.S. I will admit I had been very high on Holliday until I just checked his splits (A valuable lesson I have just learned).

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    Steve Says:

    I grant you that Escobar is not perfect. And he has lapses at short, and running the bases. But, don’t you think the good far outweighs the bad? Frenchy’s cannon arm in right did not, in anyway, make up for plate production. Andruw’s great glove, his last season in Atlanta, did not make up for his plate production. But Escobar’s is more often than not absolutely stunning in the field and he’s been the most consistent weapon we have offensively. I just don’t get how seemingly lightly people are taking dumping Escobar.

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