July 12, 2009

Show #69: We Sit Down with Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus AND the Jeff Francoeur Trade

Kevin Goldstein talks to us about Frenchy, Bobby, Tommy Hanson, Jordan Schafer, and much more.



91 Responses to “Show #69: We Sit Down with Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus AND the Jeff Francoeur Trade”

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  1. 26
    Steve Says:

    Wiley – amen. Despite Hammy’s restraining order worthy obsession with Holliday, I completely agree with you. One, I’m not sold on the production he’s going to provide (he has 8 freaking homers so far and his SLG % is almost 200 points lower than his high in CO). Seriously, if we’re going to give up a bunch for a power hitter, he should really have more HRs than anyone currently on the team. And the short term rental move is ridiculous. We can go back and forth on the Texiera trade, but at least that was for 1.5 seasons. This will be only this season as Boras is his agent. There’s no way we sign him beyond this year. And did I mention he’s not been much of a power hitter this year. I think this is all complete BS. A rumor started by a whisper that just gives the radio guys something to talk about. Seriously, I will be shocked if they go for Holliday (or move Esco, for that matter).

  2. 27
    Chris in Boston Says:

    Come on Steve, Church and Diaz would make a nice platoon. Geez, I hope Schaefer isn’t in that bad shape.

    Shoot me if we trade Escobar for Holliday.

  3. 28
    Curt Says:

    Reyes has been pulled from at least two games, that I remember, for his mental lapses. And that is just this year. He’s a head case too. And Escobar is no where near the troublemaker you are suggesting. Not that I am tooting my own horn, but I was in the clubhouse. He is a very popular guy in there, and not just amongst the Hispanic players. He is an active, happy-go-lucky guy in there. Every player I saw speaking with him was smiling and laughing with him. I have not heard one word about him being a bad teammate. Do they get sick of his antics? Probably. But if you want to see a player who is on an island in there, it’s GA not Escobar. Steve is right. He has made some great plays out there. Handley Ramirez is most likely moving to the OF at some point because of his defense. Escobar is an above average defender. And an above average hitter for that matter. He’s a really good young SS. Those don’t just appear out of thin air. Kevin Goldstein told us as much. We have no left side help coming anytime soon. We must have him in the lineup. We are not getting a power hitting first baseman for him, unless SD decides to trade Adrian Gonzalez, and they will probably want a lot more than Escobar for him. Plus, you have Freeman looming for the 2011 season, putting you right back where you were with a giant hole at SS.

  4. 29
    Curt Says:

    The Holliday trade would be a travesty.

    And I believe the Teixera deal was a terrible one. We dumped so much to get nothing out of that. there could 3 or 4 legit major leaguers to come out of it for the Rangers. What did we get? Half a season from Mahay, and 1.5 from Tex that allowed us to finish in 4th. How exciting would an Elvis Andrus/Escobar left side be to think about for our future? Chipper isn’t getting any younger, and if Diory Hernandez ends up starting for this team I might kick my dog.

  5. 30
    Steve Says:

    Chris in Boston (this is directed at Bobby, not you) I am sick and freaking tired of platoons on this team. Let’s have ONE really good guy and stop monkeying around with this cobbling together of starting positions. Diaz/Church is workable if there’s a bunch of thunder around them, but I see no storm clouds right now.

  6. 31
    Anne Says:

    Leah, here’s hoping you enjoyed tonight’s game. I’m off to find some rainmaking equipment for that Diaz/Church platoon…maybe I can get my pilot’s license and seed some clouds.

  7. 32
    Hamilton Says:

    My hots for Holliday have really cooled down lately, just like Wiley’s seemed to have. I agree with everything that has been said about YuniEsco. As long as he is productive on the field (which he is, especially relative to his teammates), I don’t really care what he does off the field (as long as he is not waking up Curt’s kids and spanking them – that’s Curt’s turf alone). It’s not like he’s Terrell Owens or Milton Bradley.

    After a lot of review of who’s available, there is not anyone out there worth what we would have to give up.

    Nevertheless, nice win tonight. Let’s sweep the Mets – who’s in?!

  8. 33
    Hamilton Says:

    “Jeff Francoeur was 0 for 4 with an RBI in his return to Atlanta following Friday’s trade to the Mets. He tipped his cap in response to the cheers from fans in right field in the first inning and received a loud ovation before lining into a double play in his first at-bat.”

    Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

  9. 34
    Bubdylan Says:

    Well played, Hamilton (#33). And, yeah, no kidding.

    It’s the first time I’ve looked forward to Francoeur batting in a couple years.

  10. 35
    Bubdylan Says:

    From Mr. Bowman:

    “There is zero truth to those Escobar rumors. The Braves have NO and I repeat no intention to move him. Believe me, if they move him, it will simply be a deal that they simply can’t refuse and that wouldn’t include anything involving Holliday.”

  11. 36
    Curt Says:

    If Mark Bowman is lying I’m waking his kids up.

  12. 37
    Curt Says:

    I don’t know who besides Leah – thanks Leah – follow my tweets, but I have decided that there should be a new stat in baseball. It’s called the Frenchy and it happens when you are up to bat with a man at third and you ground out to get the RBI.

  13. 38
    Leah Says:

    Wow…so much fun reading the comments. I actually was not at the game tonight but decided to go tomorrow night and see Madddux’s number retired. Especially since Smoltz and Glavine refuse to ever step on Ted’s turf again. Please please please let them win tomorrow. Curt, I enjoy following your tweets and please be on standby tomorrow night. Anne, you also be ready with bail money cause if they lose Frenchy’s going down! I got lost with who wants Yuni where but I want him right where he is. Some guy on ESPN picked the Braves to win NL east. Pretty sure he’s half nuts but it was the glimmer of sunshine I’ve been looking for. I’m sitting in RF so if you have any messages for Jeffrey let me know.

  14. 39
    Leah Says:

    Btw…I met an 80 year old lady today who is an avid atl braves fan and she told me,”they traded the best player they had when they let Frenchy go.”. There in lies the problem. I remember my first comment on this site was standing up for JF saying he just needed time to turn it around. Thanks guys for your patience and for teaching me the error of my ways.

  15. 40
    Will Says:

    watching the game replay on MLB.com and only thru the first inning and both Yunel and Mclouth made awesome defensive plays…second inning first pitch swinging double play for Frenchy! hahaha….third inning two pitch discipline 2-0 count deep homer by Yunel…. I swear he must be reading our comments…Love the blonde higlights Yuni !!! Guapisimo!! now GA rips a back to back dinger… why cant we do this every time?

  16. 41
    Will Says:

    good call by Ump at home on McCann in 4th…run Forrest, runn!

  17. 42
    Bubdylan Says:

    Steve, about making Kelly short stop? Yes, kidding. Good Heavens.

  18. 43
    Will Says:

    And in the 7th Larry kills the Mets again! Back to the good ol days…

    I suppose its more fun to watch these games knowing the outcome…but this game was great. I agree w/ Ham…lets win the series and the division.

    I’ve had about three beers so I possibly have my Braves Goggles on…

  19. 44
    Will Says:

    (oh…perhaps I should explain I am in Tokyo and it is 10 PM Friday)…I don’t normally drink beer at 8:57 am…at least not since high-school with Hammy and Curtis

  20. 45
    Bubdylan Says:

    Curt, I’d say you only get credited with a Frenchy if you obviously were trying to do more than get a weak ass grounder. Also, if it’s the ninth inning and the RBI ties or wins the game, no Frenchy is given, if you follow me. It should be a real stinker of a stat, always indicitive of a partial-failure RBI. What do you think? I mean, the official scorer needs a more interesting job anyways.

    “Bob, Ludwick really came out of his shoes trying to pull that dribbler to first, gotta be scored a Frenchy.”

  21. 46
    Will Says:

    I’ll shut up now but first are there any recent Arthur Blank rumors? Please…

    Just because if I was going to do it, I’d be buying before the economy recovers. As in (hopefully) over the next 6 – 8 months…

    Last word was no, because he wants to have time for other interests when it is not football season…but come on! He would be worshiped…

  22. 47
    Steve Says:

    Curt – I’m just reading the comments now and, I swear on my kids, I was talking to Scott last night after the game and we were discussing Frenchy and his 0 – 4. And Scott said, “well, he got an RBI,” to which I replied, derisively, “yeah, a ground out RBI, I call it the Frenchy.” Great minds, Curtis, great minds.

  23. 48
    Curt Says:

    Bub, agreed. It’s a negative stat like a blown save, or a Munson for all you King Pin fans. And if you get the RBI hitting into a DP it’s a Golden Frenchy.

    Leah, the guy on ESPN I saw picking the Braves was Eric Young and if there is a worse person working in TV I don’t know who it is. Well, maybe Fernando Vina or Orestes Destrade or Eduardo Perez….

  24. 49
    Curt Says:

    Nice work Steve. That’s funny.

  25. 50
    Bubdylan Says:

    And a French Hit could be the hit a batter gets that frustrates the fans by keeping him from finally being benched in favor of a better player. “Bob, you think that one will break Murphy’s slump? Or is it just another French Hit for him?”

    So, what’s a French Trade? A failed hot prospect traded for a proven mediocre commodity? By the way, I say Church punishes his old team one of these games. Not cuz our fortunes are improving, but because the Mets are having a Cubs year.

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