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Keep the Frenchy tracker the same! Just follow him in NY, or add a Church and Frenchy comparison so we see how they stack up against each other each week. Great show, keeps me fill in on all things Atlanta Braves while living in enemy territory (PA)
I like Steve’s idea of a comparison although it makes me a little nervous. I usually feel like no matter how badly the team plays you guys find a bright spot in a sea of dreariness. No doubt this was a great podcast but I’m a little bummed. I hope after the all star break we have some sort of spark of excitment. I’m going to Friday night’s game and am excited to see Maddox’s # retired. If The mets win I will be the one running onto the field and body slamming Frenchy. Curt will you promise to wake up your children and spank them?
Watching the homerun derby last night, I found myself hoping that Ryan Howard would mess up his swing much like Abreu did a few years ago. It got me thinking that spending time wishing ill on our opponents doesn’t speak to highly about my level of optimism coming out of the break.
I really am stunned that the Escobar trade talk continues. You are potentially trading away a franchise caliber guy who plays the most important position in the field for a couple of expiring contracts on guys who won’t resign with you. Add to that, you still aren’t making the playoffs with the move. AND, you take more pop out of the lineup. Are you really going to sell me on Diory Hernandez as the every day SS? Are you kidding?
So when Bobby Cox retires at the end of this year or next year, was that season and a half worth trading one of your best young players? Isn’t it worth more to the franchise to keep a guy who can help the team, albeit given to some childish antics, rather than an out-of-touch, 75-year-old manager who can consistently guide you to 4th place in the division? Watch Escobar become the model citizen and perennial all star once he leaves Atlanta. I know I am prone to hyperbole, but if they make this move, I have to question if it is worth taking this team seriously.
Leah – the Ranger’s batting coach cheats with teams all across baseball. Don’t date them. Maybe the Angels?
And I think all of the Escobar talk is BS. Just like I think all of the Holliday talk is BS. Renting Holliday makes no sense. And getting rid of one of your best offensive players who’s still making not much over league minimum makes even less sense. Bobby may have his issues with him, but I just don’t believe that Wren would move him just to ease coach/player relations. And there is NO OTHER reason to move him.
Escobar will be more valuable in the off season, and by that time, we’ll have a better understanding about the team’s needs for 2010.
I think a that purposely being out of position and unwilling to field while the game is on is more than a mere childish antic. He’s 27 years old — in Cuban years, no less — so he’s already had ample time to grow up and become a model citizen. And it’s not Bobby’s fault that Escobar is a horse’s ass.
I would prefer to have a guy playing SS who knows how many outs there are, how many runners are on base, and cares more about supporting his teammates and winning than how his stats are looking.
Curt, guys who “need direction” don’t play SS for championship quality teams. I can’t think of such a player. Can you? I can recall a wonderfully talented player with similar issues, though: Gary Templeton. He ended up on the Padres.
Jose Reyes needs direction and he is one of the best SSs in the league. Hanley Ramirez has had issues. They might not be on championship quality teams, but I guarantee the Sox or any other team in the mix would take them. The Sox want Escobar too. They would love him out there instead of Nick Green. Rafeal Furcal plays SS for the best team in the NL. He hasn’t had problems? They aren’t all Derek Jeter.
To pass on Escobar to insert Diory Hernandez, or worse, have to go out and spend money signing a SS this off season, who has the same level of ability as Escobar, when you have so many other holes to fill would be insane. Figure him out before you pull the plug and watch another great young talent walk out the door. Thank god we traded Elvis Andrus.
Curt, I think our definitions of “need direction” are different. You know that Furcal’s problems were off the field. By all accounts, he has always been a great teammate and a very hard worker. That’s not the “direction” I’m talking about. As for the others, I don’t know much about Ramirez. As for Reyes, when I lived in NY, I saw a lot of him at Shea. I would take him. He made a fraction of the mental mistakes that Escobar does and while he was known to sulk, he was a member of the team. I’m sure that’s still the case. He exhibited nowhere near the level of dysfunction of Escobar. He’s not in Templeton territory. Esco is.
I’m not advocating replacing Escobar with Diory Hernandez. And I think there are fewer holes than it apppears right now. OF will be fine next year with Diaz/Church, Schaefer, and McLouth with Heyward waiting in the wings. 2B will be very good. 3B will be fine. C great. We need a damned good power hitting 1B. If he can get us that — and I think he can — then trade him. We won’t need a SS of Escobar’s offensive talents with that lineup.
You have to be a major head case not to get along with Bobby Cox. I appreciate his talents and God knows he’s one of the few threats in the lineup this year. But it will not be some major tragedy when he goes.
And, Chris in Boston. I disagree. I think the outfield is a tattered mess. Heyward may not be up until 2011. And with Schafer’s wrist injury, who knows if he’s ready to move back up to Atlanta next year (sliding McLouth to right). And Church won’t be back next year. And Diaz is not an everyday player. All of which to say, I think there are a bunch of holes to fill and creating another at SS would be a huge mistake.
Listening to Baseball Today at ESPN. Peter Pascarelli says their is rumor going around about Escobar for Holliday. Pascarelli believes that this would be quite a bad trade for us. I, personally, agree.
I suppose that providing a power bat could really help. Yet looking at Holliday’s splits he has not hit a HR since JUNE 5th. I think this could kill us after Yunel has hit 7 long balls and Holliday has gone yard 8 times. I really hope this doesn’t go through. Any other thoughts?
P.S. I will admit I had been very high on Holliday until I just checked his splits (A valuable lesson I have just learned).
I grant you that Escobar is not perfect. And he has lapses at short, and running the bases. But, don’t you think the good far outweighs the bad? Frenchy’s cannon arm in right did not, in anyway, make up for plate production. Andruw’s great glove, his last season in Atlanta, did not make up for his plate production. But Escobar’s is more often than not absolutely stunning in the field and he’s been the most consistent weapon we have offensively. I just don’t get how seemingly lightly people are taking dumping Escobar.
Wiley – amen. Despite Hammy’s restraining order worthy obsession with Holliday, I completely agree with you. One, I’m not sold on the production he’s going to provide (he has 8 freaking homers so far and his SLG % is almost 200 points lower than his high in CO). Seriously, if we’re going to give up a bunch for a power hitter, he should really have more HRs than anyone currently on the team. And the short term rental move is ridiculous. We can go back and forth on the Texiera trade, but at least that was for 1.5 seasons. This will be only this season as Boras is his agent. There’s no way we sign him beyond this year. And did I mention he’s not been much of a power hitter this year. I think this is all complete BS. A rumor started by a whisper that just gives the radio guys something to talk about. Seriously, I will be shocked if they go for Holliday (or move Esco, for that matter).
Reyes has been pulled from at least two games, that I remember, for his mental lapses. And that is just this year. He’s a head case too. And Escobar is no where near the troublemaker you are suggesting. Not that I am tooting my own horn, but I was in the clubhouse. He is a very popular guy in there, and not just amongst the Hispanic players. He is an active, happy-go-lucky guy in there. Every player I saw speaking with him was smiling and laughing with him. I have not heard one word about him being a bad teammate. Do they get sick of his antics? Probably. But if you want to see a player who is on an island in there, it’s GA not Escobar. Steve is right. He has made some great plays out there. Handley Ramirez is most likely moving to the OF at some point because of his defense. Escobar is an above average defender. And an above average hitter for that matter. He’s a really good young SS. Those don’t just appear out of thin air. Kevin Goldstein told us as much. We have no left side help coming anytime soon. We must have him in the lineup. We are not getting a power hitting first baseman for him, unless SD decides to trade Adrian Gonzalez, and they will probably want a lot more than Escobar for him. Plus, you have Freeman looming for the 2011 season, putting you right back where you were with a giant hole at SS.
And I believe the Teixera deal was a terrible one. We dumped so much to get nothing out of that. there could 3 or 4 legit major leaguers to come out of it for the Rangers. What did we get? Half a season from Mahay, and 1.5 from Tex that allowed us to finish in 4th. How exciting would an Elvis Andrus/Escobar left side be to think about for our future? Chipper isn’t getting any younger, and if Diory Hernandez ends up starting for this team I might kick my dog.
Chris in Boston (this is directed at Bobby, not you) I am sick and freaking tired of platoons on this team. Let’s have ONE really good guy and stop monkeying around with this cobbling together of starting positions. Diaz/Church is workable if there’s a bunch of thunder around them, but I see no storm clouds right now.
My hots for Holliday have really cooled down lately, just like Wiley’s seemed to have. I agree with everything that has been said about YuniEsco. As long as he is productive on the field (which he is, especially relative to his teammates), I don’t really care what he does off the field (as long as he is not waking up Curt’s kids and spanking them – that’s Curt’s turf alone). It’s not like he’s Terrell Owens or Milton Bradley.
After a lot of review of who’s available, there is not anyone out there worth what we would have to give up.
“Jeff Francoeur was 0 for 4 with an RBI in his return to Atlanta following Friday’s trade to the Mets. He tipped his cap in response to the cheers from fans in right field in the first inning and received a loud ovation before lining into a double play in his first at-bat.”
“There is zero truth to those Escobar rumors. The Braves have NO and I repeat no intention to move him. Believe me, if they move him, it will simply be a deal that they simply can’t refuse and that wouldn’t include anything involving Holliday.”
I don’t know who besides Leah – thanks Leah – follow my tweets, but I have decided that there should be a new stat in baseball. It’s called the Frenchy and it happens when you are up to bat with a man at third and you ground out to get the RBI.
Wow…so much fun reading the comments. I actually was not at the game tonight but decided to go tomorrow night and see Madddux’s number retired. Especially since Smoltz and Glavine refuse to ever step on Ted’s turf again. Please please please let them win tomorrow. Curt, I enjoy following your tweets and please be on standby tomorrow night. Anne, you also be ready with bail money cause if they lose Frenchy’s going down! I got lost with who wants Yuni where but I want him right where he is. Some guy on ESPN picked the Braves to win NL east. Pretty sure he’s half nuts but it was the glimmer of sunshine I’ve been looking for. I’m sitting in RF so if you have any messages for Jeffrey let me know.
Btw…I met an 80 year old lady today who is an avid atl braves fan and she told me,”they traded the best player they had when they let Frenchy go.”. There in lies the problem. I remember my first comment on this site was standing up for JF saying he just needed time to turn it around. Thanks guys for your patience and for teaching me the error of my ways.
watching the game replay on MLB.com and only thru the first inning and both Yunel and Mclouth made awesome defensive plays…second inning first pitch swinging double play for Frenchy! hahaha….third inning two pitch discipline 2-0 count deep homer by Yunel…. I swear he must be reading our comments…Love the blonde higlights Yuni !!! Guapisimo!! now GA rips a back to back dinger… why cant we do this every time?
Curt, I’d say you only get credited with a Frenchy if you obviously were trying to do more than get a weak ass grounder. Also, if it’s the ninth inning and the RBI ties or wins the game, no Frenchy is given, if you follow me. It should be a real stinker of a stat, always indicitive of a partial-failure RBI. What do you think? I mean, the official scorer needs a more interesting job anyways.
“Bob, Ludwick really came out of his shoes trying to pull that dribbler to first, gotta be scored a Frenchy.”
Curt – I’m just reading the comments now and, I swear on my kids, I was talking to Scott last night after the game and we were discussing Frenchy and his 0 – 4. And Scott said, “well, he got an RBI,” to which I replied, derisively, “yeah, a ground out RBI, I call it the Frenchy.” Great minds, Curtis, great minds.
And a French Hit could be the hit a batter gets that frustrates the fans by keeping him from finally being benched in favor of a better player. “Bob, you think that one will break Murphy’s slump? Or is it just another French Hit for him?”
So, what’s a French Trade? A failed hot prospect traded for a proven mediocre commodity? By the way, I say Church punishes his old team one of these games. Not cuz our fortunes are improving, but because the Mets are having a Cubs year.
A French Kiss is where someone goes in for the kiss, but consistently licks the side of your face and parts of your chin instead. Occasionally, they’ll make contact with actual tongue, but it is usually right before someone walks in the room.
Leah, I’ll bail you out whenever, as I said…and I’m now remembering you said Maddux number retirement night, not yesterday…so have an AWESOME time tonight. My message to Francoeur is: keep on keepin’ on. Oh, and I’ll see him Sunday.
You’re all clearly forgetting the French Lick…but then it’d just get filthy(-er than this thread already is).
Steve & Curt are right on YE- yet another brilliant defensive game …and more solid offense. This guy has got to stay. He and Bobby should go iron things out over a pitcher of margaritas at Jaliscos in Peachtree Battle. As long as there is a designated driver.
I’m putting my Leah bail money instead toward a one-way ticket for poor Jeffy back to New York. After a while I was begging the cameraman to just look elsewhere. So, so dejected sitting in the Mets dugout. What a game…go Braves.
I’m serious. Do you remember any discussion when he left? Did we cry that they didn’t resign him? Not that he was still on top of his game, but there was no fanfare. Even when he retired, it just really wasn’t that big of a deal. And this is one of the greatest pitchers ever. They said that his back-to-back sub 1.60 ERA seasons were the first since Walter Johnson. Not Randy Johnson, Walter Johnson in 1918 or something. The stats are insane. I’m just not sure he is truly appreciated.
Curt I agree with you 100%. I think what made it easier for him to go and the lack of fanfare (from a Braves fan perspective) were his meltdowns in the post season. Starting with his loss in the ’96 WS, he went 5 – 8 and lost his final 3 post season starts with us. It made his departure easier for me. I remember being ready for him to go. I know. It sounds impossible to say that now.
I was at the game tonight. What a freaking joy. How great it was to see the Mets keep Pelfrey in there and basically concede the game by the 4th. It’s like the start of the Phillies series all over again with all this offense. You forget what it’s like to watch this team and have them hit. And yeah Anne, I didn’t see the scenes of Frenchy on the tv broadcast, but there was one at bat where he grounded out to the end the inning (4th or 5th inning-ish) and he just walked around the infield, away from everyone, looking really dejected.
We’ve turned it around! I know, I should be embarrassed to even write it, but I believe it to be true.
So glad I didn’t have to body slam him…having to dig Mac’s double out of the corner and then getting his glove on the homer had to be tough. And what about Yuni’s defensive moves especially with the funny hop? And Churchy comin on strong with the sliding catch? Btw Anne don’t be jealous but Matty tipped his hat at me during the 8th when I hollored his name.
Oh – and the Maddux number retirement was fantastic. He was choked up. The place went absolutely ape for him. It was great. It seemed pretty cathartic for the crowd. We’ve had Smoltz and Glavine (and even Frenchy) taken from us this year, but we could pour our hearts out to Maddux. The crowd seemed extra appreciative.
Steve – and wasn’t it sort of the same with Glavine in the postseason/probably Braves in general. Feared throughout the year, and on average come out ahead, but the starters were gotten to by streaky hitting. Curt – I think in general Braves fans are rightly criticized for being luke warm/less enthusiastic than they should be (taking all this great pitching basically for granted) and in general the Braves organization is know for being too cold hearted towards their greats. So I guess I do see what you mean and I agree. It wouldn’t change anything by putting him in the front office but it would be cool. I hope they do something…
Saw a clip on the late news last night of Maddux at the luncheon ceremony and one of his comments was something like, “I look forward to coming back one day for Glavine and Smoltzy…” and there were a few uncomfortable coughs from the crowd as he kept talking. AWK ward…
Leah: Seriously? It was hard enough releasing him from Curt’s fast grip, but I’m up for it. I offer to bail you out iffin you needs it, and then you gots to go toe-to-toe with me for Matty D? Girl fight!! I’m removing my hoop earrings and press-on nails. It’s on.
I was impressed that Peachtree TV actually showed the ceremony for Maddux. Great game last night. I should probably not be drunk when I change my status on Facebook though. Still though…great night last night. Watching the game in the 8th right now, & boy it’s a good thing that the sensors mute the mic in the Braves bullpen. Bobby is pissed at Escobar.
I long for the day when Church does something great and the next sentence from the announcers has no comparison whatsoever to Frenchy.
And a post of mine would be incomplete without a Matty D shout-out. So nice.
Random: I (mis)spent my youth in the East Bay of the SF Bay Area watching Carney Lansford @ 3rd base for the A’s. He looks pretty much the same, oddly, and it’s good to see him over in the Giants dugout. Do the Giants fans give him grief like we give Pendleton?