Show #87: The Braves Retool the Bullpen with Wagner and Saito
Billy Wagner and Takashi Saito join the Braves’ bullpen. Revisiting 1st base. And clearing up that Bob Rathbun hire.
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December 7th, 2009 at 12:05 am
“Steve, Freeman’s in the wings but why not get Gonzalez for a year. Padres don’t need pitchers?”
I just don’t think its good business. Gonzalez has one more year left on his contract. He’d be a one year rental for a steep, steep price in prospects and MLB ready players. Two years, maybe. But not for one year.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:29 am
lol @ “I’d rather have Bob Rathbun at 1b than Nick Johnson.”
Good show.
Saito has a hoozey whatzit that he rehabbed without surgery? Umm. That sounds alarming.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:52 am
OMG! Hilarious show, great job! You guys need to do a show every few days! I can’t not express my love for this show enough! Also, update on your twitter more often! Please help my addiction! Jk.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:20 am
JJ – thanks for the kind words. I can’t express my love for your comment enough!
If you’re interested, send me a note (steve@atlantabaseballtalk.com) and let’s work out linking to each other’s sites.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Stevie, it’s baseball not business. Maybe I should travel around with Frank and use my southern charm to get things done. Whose the Padres GM? We’ll trade Buddy Carlisle for AG before he remembers Buddy’s in Japan.
I obviously think Hammy is brilliant annd his validating my opinion makes him my current favorite host. LaRoche was helpful at the end of last season and he is forgiven for ruining Mother’s Day 2004 but his first half performances make me nervous. Hammy, while brilliant, confused me a bit. The guys you mentioned had pretty low BA. So that’s ok as long as they have 20HR or so? Still learning. Great show!
December 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
By the way Curt, I think the surgeons made a mistake in took part of your voice instead of your gall bladder.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:18 am
The official screw-it-we’ve-got-pitching line-up.
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. Heyward
5. McCann
6. Freeman
7. Escobar
8. Schafer/ Diaz
I know, I know, but which rookie has time to be nervous when there’s rookies all over the place?
December 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Wow Bub…with balls like that who needs a big bat!
December 7th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Ah, the most comforting statement in the world…
December 7th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
We’re getting saddled with Soriano, folks. Hope I’m wrong. Don’t gimme this agent-smoke-screen business. Maybe it is, but that doesn’t mean it’s working.
The market is poop, in spite of Wren trying to set it high with Wagner. Soriano’s questionable health/attitude coupled with his ginormous draft-picks/arby-raise price tag are a perfect storm.
Gonzalez is much more attractive to teams. Kudos to Wren on the gamble, but Scowl-o-Riffic is a Brave until June.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
No, wait. Nevermind. I just realized that even if Soriano accepts, he’d definitely okay a trade to a place where he could close.
Why would any team pay the 7 mill arby salary AND a trade piece when they could have gotten him for 7 mill flat? Because it would be a small trade piece/ salary dump which is easier to give up than draft picks. And because willingness to do certain things changes heavily in the course of an offseason. (See “Derek Lowe, Winter 2008)
Furthermore, I’m talking out of my ass. Roll Tide.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Leah – NOT cool liking Hammy better than me.
Bub – I’m growing a little more nervous as the day wears on as well. But I still believe that he gets offered 2 years for 10MM or more, he’s gone. And I think that is still the more likely scenario. He’s The Scowl, for God’s sake!
December 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Steve, remember that she used to like me best. Sometimes the insult is the compliment.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
You’re a wise man, Bub. A wise man.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Is anybody else experiencing a strange severe increase in love vibrations for Kawakami? Our #5 starter is this guy who’s beaten a half dozen aces? In his feeling-it-out year??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S3gbtGMPgY
December 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Some recent tweets from Steve Henson (MLB editor at Yahoo Sports) – all from the last 2 hours. Starting with a KK one for Bub:
> Yes, the Braves want to deal Lowe or Vazquez, but source says not Kenshin Kawakami (3.86 ERA), who has 2 years and $13.4M left on his deal.
> Bobby Cox just said “we have six excellent starting pitchers and to get a hitter we NEED to move one of them.”
> Bobby Cox said “teams are knocking on the door” to trade for second baseman Kelly Johnson, who all but lost his job to Martin Prado.
> Bobby Cox also said “we don’t have a 1B,” adding that Freddie Freeman could play there “if push came to shove” but he’s only 20.
Some exciting and horrifying stuff in there. Wren said, LAST YEAR, that Kelly was the most inquired about player in the offseason. Could teams really be that hot for him a year later???
December 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Kelly’s got a sweet swing, Steve. It isn’t so hard to believe he’s a decent hitting coach away from turning it around. If I was a mid-low market team looking for a 2B at rather small trade cost, he’d be my guy for certain.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Nice tweets. Looks like Wren also feels the increased Kawakami love vibrations. Or the decreased Kawakami bank vibrations.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
I propose that during the offseason, we refer to the Boston Redsox and New York Yankees as a single team, since they mean the same thing in so many scenarios, and can be used interchangably in countless trade ideas.
And we shall call them: The B’york Yanksox.
Let’s trade Lowe and Soriano to the B’york Yanksox for … no, wait, it doesn’t work. I hate the internet.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I just Googled Yanksox on my work computer. I’ll be getting a visit from HR within the hour.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
lmao! Oops.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Stark doesn’t list ATL as one of the seven teams in on Nick Johnson.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Steve, I said it and I’m sticking to it so deal buddy. It does also help that Hammy befriended me on Fb, ahem. Bub, you may notice I said Hammy is my current favorite host…just sayin.
Seriously awesome tweets. How am I not already following this guy? This will be rectified by days end.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
thanks for nothing folks.
I think I picked up ebola in the hospital and now am 2 weeks sick. but i’m willing to play hurt for my fan.
any takers?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Poor Eeyore. You did actually sound terrible. Does that help?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
yes?
December 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Lowe+Soriano+KJ for…wait for it…Adrian Gonzalez! Badabing!
December 7th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
A nice something from the Man of Bow.
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/wren_not_worried_about_soriano.html
December 7th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Yeah, Leah, the Padres are all about the salary increase.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Bub, your turning into Curt. Can’t a girl dream? Isn’t there any combo that doesn’t include Heyward that will allow me to dream of AG at 1st?
December 7th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
There probably isn’t a scenario that doesn’t involve them wanting at least Freeman and I would say 4 or 5 other major prospects. You might be looking at the second coming of the Tex trade and I would hate to have to look back on one of those deals again. He would be a huge help, but he alone is not winning us a WS, and that is the only scenario where you should make that deal.
I don’t know if SD might be apt to lessen their wish list, after the Peavy thing exploded on them, and given that the owner might lose half the team in a divorce, but with that, I think they want 5 of our top-10 prospects. With the frugality of the Braves, and with the strength of their farm system right now, I don’t see how they do it. If they could package something like Schafer, Medlen, and a couple of pitching prospects, maybe you do it.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
What he said.
Oh, and I didn’t even know Gonzalez was in his last year of contract when I said “Heyward+,” I thought he had two left, so please, never even base the slightest bit of your baseball education on anything I say. I just… say stuff. You know this, don’t you? If I’m ever right it’s an accident. Also, I change my opinion about every nine seconds.
For example, Uggla as the 2B of a team hoping to win by way of run prevention? What was I thinking?
December 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Gonzalez has 2 years left on his deal worth about $10 mill total. Making all the more attractive.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Oh. Then, yeah, it would be Tex 2.0
We’d get to watch Freeman, Teheran, Kimbrel, & company blossom for the Padres in 2012 while that same year Adrian tears it up for the Yanksox, and we scrape the barrel for a 1B we can afford.
Though, I disagree that Gonzalez wouldn’t put us over the top. I mean, no player guarantees a WS, but in Atlanta’s market, the team that we’d have after acquiring A. Gonzo at the same time that we have this pitching & surrounding batters would be as close as it ever gets.
How many teams have this many solid-to-high-level performers at low cost, for a two-year window:
Escobar
McCann
Jurrjens
Hanson
A. Gonzo (hypothetically)
McLouth
Moylan
Prado
Heyward
That’s enough low-cost talent to power a championship for any 100 mill team, if there’s ever going to be enough.
But I still wouldn’t trade the farm for Gonzo.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Uh, scratch Teheran blossoming in MLB in 2012. I shouldn’t type things.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Any predictions on Soriano? An hour and a half to go. I’m gonna run out and get some beer. I love the internet.
I think he’ll decline, and I think Wren is brilliant for putting that big ol’ smile on his “I’m sure he’ll want to be traded cuz there’s no way in hell I’m letting him pitch the 8th or 9th,” which is smiley-frank for “Listen, Scowl-wowl, you need to beat feet. You’ve been replaced for cheaper and less ouchy.”
December 7th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I thought I would understand this off season better due to hanging with all you smarty pants. However, I’m as confused as ever. I hate to be the village idiot but can someone explain when a player becomes a free agent? When is a player offered arbitration? When does a player choose to be traded? Sorry for all the simplicity. If it’s too juvenile for this crowd tell me to go buy “baseball 101 for dummies”.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Well, Leah, I waited to let them answer cuz they’ll get it right and I’ll screw it up. But they’ve gone to bed or have lives or something.
So, here:
1. A player files for free agency when his contract is up. I think.
2. Accepting or declining arbitration is a separate act altogether. But I think you have to accept or decline arby before filing for free agency. I think.
3. A player can’t choose to be traded, but he can always ask to be traded. In the case of Soriano, he would “choose” to be traded because we already know that if he asks to be, the Braves will certainly comply.
4. A player can, however, choose NOT to be traded under a few circumstances.
A. If he has a no-trade clause in his contract.
B. If a player has 10 years of MLB service with at least 5 years with his current team, he can also refuse a trade.
C. If a player accepts arbitration, he can refuse to be traded before June 1st.
I think. Any of that could be totally wrong.
So, with Soriano,
A. He is not yet a free agent.
B. He has been offered arbitration, which he has until midnight to accept or decline.
C. If he declines, he will then file for free agency.
D. If he accepts, he has a non-guaranteed* contract with the Braves. He can’t be traded without his consent before June. But it’s understood that he’ll want to be traded, and the Braves will want him gone.
Again, any or all of that could be miles off. Steve will clear it up for you in the morning.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
* I have no idea about the ins and outs of the non-guaranteedness of arbitration contracts. But there’s a way to cut the player and grant them free agency some how or other.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
DOB just tweeted that Soriano is reportedly really going to accept arbitration.
Yikes.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
lol, now Bowman’s just tweeted that he’s heard Boras tell someone he’s gonna decline it.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
So, I’m sharing this moment all alone? And I even got Corona.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
16 more minutes.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Yikes indeed. Does that mean if he wants to stay with the Braves he can? But why would he knowing he won’t close. Thanks for the info…it is very helpful. Are you saying I have no life since I’m up at 11:46 waiting to be certain Soriano accepts this bogus arby deal?
December 7th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
See Bub…isn’t this fun. You, me, your beer…
December 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
12 minutes
no tweets.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
You’re married. You have a no-life liscense. So, it’s cool.
Why would he, knowing he won’t close? Well, he’ll still close. For another team. If he really accepts, the assumption is that he doesn’t think he can do better in the FA market, money-wise than the Braves arby settlement. And he can still close with whatever team he gets traded to.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
*License.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
DOB tweets again, affirming that the buzz is Soriano will accept arby. Gonzo will not.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
ok so he would accept the arby deal to lock down his salary knowing he will be traded for another team? Why are we freakishly up so late to see if he accepts or not? It doesn’t seem to make a difference?
December 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Ken Rosenthal tweets that Soriano is accepting.
Yikes.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Yeah…that’s not good. Why is that not good? So confusing. Maybe I’m not smart enough for baseball.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
What will make me very, very angry is if Soriano has a bunch of phantom ouchies so that he protects his arm in the first half, and then comes out firing in the second half to secure his next contract.
It is rumored that this is the sort of stuff he pulls. And that some players have doubted his injuries.
I can’t stand him. It’s official. I’m angry.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Me too! Very angry! One day I’ll understand all the rules and I’ll know why. Maybe it will make sense in the morning.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
It’s not good because paying 7 million bucks for your 6th-7th inning reliever is financial suicide if you’re trying to compete for less than 150 million. It would be like taking on Pujols’ salary to put him on your bench.
December 7th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
sonofabitch.
He took it.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Ouch…now I am angry. Surely someone will want him. Chug your beer and go to bed. I’m going to dream about #34′s lineup.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am
G’night.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:36 am
35% Atlanta’s Payroll = Chipper Jones + Derek Lowe + Soriano.
I’m hungry for Albatross suddenly.
December 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Curt you sound horrible. We like it…
For no particular reason other than Curt sounds like Animal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY
Hope you feel better, Curtis.
December 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Thanks Will.
no clue on the Soriano thing. I’m really shocked. As Bub said, I guess he is trying to lock in at a higher salary knowing that the Braves are going to trade him. There must have been very little interest in him, at least none where he was going to make $8 mill a season. Bizarre. So now we get to wait and see if he will agree to the trade.
December 8th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Right – the multi-year offers must not have been attractive. And Soriano figured, take the guaranteed 7+ million for a year, get traded (b/c the Braves don’t want to be saddled with his salary) to avoid being buried in a non-sexy 6th/7th inning role and end up on a team in a closer role, build up his stats, and look good again when he hits the free agent market next off-season. And, this way, the team that picks him up this year doesn’t have to give the Braves one of their first round picks. I hate Soriano now.
Leah – Did Bub answer your questions? Anything lingering?
December 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I don’t even hate Soriano that much. All the sudden we have a desirable trade chip to add to the inevitable Lowe or Vazquez trade that’s coming. Aside from losing the 1st round pick compensation (which we can argue is a huge, or not, deal) we’re not really any worse off than we were.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Bub- what is the source of the Soriano sandbagging injuries rumors? i don’t see the logic in even trying to do that…as in if I want a raise at work, 6 months before review I really slack off but not enough to get fired…and then 3 and 2 months before review really pick up the pace so that I can get the promotion/raise…how does the boss not see through that? And think basically that I am an unreliable a-hat. So you fake injury in early season so you can take it easy…then burn rubber in second half? to me you are damaged goods…lowers your trade value…no?
December 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Are there two Steves or is Stevie talking to himself again? Steve, Bub cleared up a lot for me but he gives me too much credit. I’m not as smart as he thinks I am. I’m still unclear on which players a club offers arbitration. Any player whose contract is up or do they have to be a free agent? If a player is hired as a free agent for a multi-year contract does the player have to approve any trade in the middle of said contract? Maybe if you can attach players to certain situations I’ll understand better. I’m sure when I hear the answers my questions will seem silly but I’m just a simple minded girl with a MS education.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Now that o re-read Bub’s answer I think he did answer all the questions I asked. Last year Frenchy was offered arbitration right? Was he a free agent? Does every player become a free agent when his contract is up? Just when I think I understand I get confused again. I think I belong on the facebook group feed…oy vey.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Will, did you just ask me for a source? I almost spit my coffee laughing.
Actually, I thought that it was here that I heard the players had questioned this mantle concerning that weird, lingering injury of … season before last? Something? Also, someone close to his doctor supposedly leaked him as a hypochondriac who’s scared of his money evaporating.
As for the limited logic of pulling such a caper, yeah, I’m with you. But the way it was put to me, it did make some sense. But I can translate/remember it. That’s the trouble with libel & heresay.
Anyway, no, no source. So, scratch it. I should have been more responsible.
Then again, I have officially and permanently assassinated his character deep in my funky mind because he’s caused my team an inconvenience. Once you cross that line… you’re just a dirty bastid with no heart for the game.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
*but I can’T translate/ remember it.
**the players had questioned HIS mantle…
December 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Braves just DFA’d Church to make room on the roster for Soriano. There goes trading Church for that big bat we need. I’m back to hating Soriano again, for real, by the way.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Hate’s a strong word, but I have never really thought Soriano was a team player. DOB loosened me up toward him a little with that quote … what was he said in an elevator? “When we win, I’ll smile.” But now I’m not buying it.
He’s too cool for school. Like Loaf. Don’t like it. One. Bit.
I wish Wren would catch a big break soon. I really do think his heart is in the right place and his overall strategy is sound.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Curtis Granderson apparently just got traded to the f-ing Yankees.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Aw man, now I’ll never get to make the pun … Hammy is grand, but …
Curt is grander, son.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
*commits suicide*
December 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
That’s why Bub is and will always be my ultimate favorite! Dude’s freakin funny.
December 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I now wish his name was Curtis Awesomerson
December 8th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Bub, I was re-reading past comments from months ago (because I’m lame) and I saw where you stopped commenting on DOB’s blog b/c you were tired of always being the funny guy. I take back comment # 74. Don’t go!
December 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I said that? I’m not surprised. I mean, sometimes I’m funny and sometimes I ain’t. And honestly, I like being lame and not-funny at my own discretion, and also taking a jab at serious baseball sometimes. But over on DOB’s blog, my job as a comedian was like, talked about so much I couldn’t be myself. Plus DOB is ungracious as hell (sorry, it’s true), but I always felt tempted to win his favor, which made me feel slimey. So, there, a full confession.
But over here, nobody (but you) is all that impressed.
Yes, I’m drunk in the afternoon. In my defense, I just took my final final and I’m off for a full month! Woo Hoo!
December 8th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Bowman tweets that Soriano gave immediate clearance to be traded. All’s well that ends well.
December 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Hey, folks, want to feel alright about the present, here’s a Beseball Almanac look at the recent past:
2007 Atlanta Braves
Opening Day Starters
Matt Diaz
Jeff Francoeur
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Brian McCann
Mark Redman (huh?)
Edgar Renteria
Craig Wilson
Chris Woodward
2007 Atlanta Braves
Most Games by Position
C Brian McCann (132)
1B Scott Thorman (84)
2B Kelly Johnson (133)
3B Chipper Jones (126)
SS Edgar Renteria (121)
LF Matt Diaz (95)
CF Andruw Jones (154)
RF Jeff Francoeur (162)
SP Buddy Carlyle
SP Kyle Davies
SP Tim Hudson
SP Chuck James
SP John Smoltz
RP Manny Acosta
RP Ron Mahay
RP Peter Moylan
RP Chad Paronto
RP Rafael Soriano
RP Oscar Villarreal
RP Tyler Yates
CL Bob Wickman
December 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
lol, Wren says there’s an unidentified team that might trade for Lowe/Soriano. Wren, ya do the deal. If the trade piece is Corky Miller, you pull the trigger. Please, ‘fore we all have heart attacks around here.
Great, I’m serial posting again.
*HELLO??*
December 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Okay, a little warning about Twitter, folks. Yikes.
If anybody has your email address, but doesn’t know your full name, they WILL know your full name after you join Twitter. Does everybody already know this?
When you sign up, Twitter digs into your email account to tell you who all is in your contacts that is also a Twitter member. And THEN, if that person happens to have registered with Twitter under their full name (even though, of course, that isn’t revealed publicly, until NOW), Twitter will spit out the full name at you in their little “Blah Blah is also a member of twitter” message.
Scary.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Wow Bub. Now I have to wonder which of you guys are serial ax murderers AND if my Twitter id will be compromised. Awesome.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
If you haven’t figured out the first question by now… 8)
December 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
What if I protect my account, ie can’t be followed without permission.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
You’re probably safe then? I don’t know. Have somebody that you know, that has you in their email contacts, join twitter, and see if it rats you out to them.
Cuz, when I joined, I found out the last name of a girl who’s email addy I had from years ago – a baseball contact – and of course we didn’t exchange any real info. But Twitter is all like “Jane Smith is a twitterer” or whatever. And I’m like, Jane Smith? Is that the Jane S from the Braves board? And, yep, it is.
Out of curiosity (and future plans) I googled her and, knowing she was a school teacher, threw in a few indicators, and presto. I found her and where she works in three clicks.
Somebody needs to alert them to that immediately. Not everybody in someone’s email contact list is on a both-names basis.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
*Not really named Jane Smith, I hope you know.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
<<Just saying “no” to twitter. Hey all.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Hey, Tcc.
You’re missing all the Twits, yo.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Hey Bubs, the Twits are just not “me”. I’m ok with that. I am excited about the new ABT Show and all the talk about “SoreyArmo”(now that was a great line) and of course Wagner and Saito.
Where I diverge from the consensus on here is that I would keep LaRoche if at all possible. I think he can do the job and if you just want to save money by signing someone else, you won’t get what he can do. My opinion.
Cold rain falling tonight. Finding comfort in “69 days until pitchers and catchers report”!!
December 8th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Oh, I want LaRoche. Have I not said that? That’s the exact 1b I want (I mean, that’s the realistic option I like best). I want an identity as a run-prevention team – that’s my newest gig, see. And his defense is swell.
Then, in the second half, blammo – he’s a slugger, too.
But, the bridge-to-freeman kind of contract doesn’t make much sense from LaRoche’s side, best I can tell. Plus Wren doesn’t seem hot on the idea. Maybe he’s just quiet. A two-year deal would be great, though, wouldn’t it? Then Freeman gets TOTALLY comfy before the big dance.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Freeman and Heyward have been mentioned in the same breath for some time now but I do believe that Freeman AND the Braves would benefit by holding him back for now. A two year deal for AL would take care of 1B, Adam, Chipper, Da Bravos and FF.
December 8th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Sounds great to me, man.
December 8th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Good, then that’s settled!
Public TV trying to sell me a DVD collection of the Ed Sullivan show starring the Stars of the ’60s. Ringo looks so young! How long ago was that? Jeez!!
December 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
So weird, I just wrote a friend this morning declaring “With a Little Help From My Friends” my favorite Beatles tune, and talked about Ringo a bunch.
Sounds like a cool DVD, actually. I like that stuff. Wouldn’t take anything for my Johnny Cash Show set.
December 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
JC is cool..just you tubed some of his stuff. How about checking out Brenda Lee’s “Coming on Strong”. Great song and rendition. Go for the older rendition. “Memory’s of a Love gone Wrong, Baby coming on strong” Hope that doesn’t reflect on any “done” or coming up deals for the Bravisto Mens!! Night all.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Bub – by source – I mean do you straight make it up – like Hamilton- or did you read it somewhere ? I get most of my news from ABT and TMZ. Hate to think its not reliable.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Braves interested in Gload to replace Norton. Please, for the love of all that is holy, replace Norton. Would Wren really do business with the enemy to get Nick Swisher? Do we want Nick Swisher? Why did I pick “Hammy I’m too good for the message board” as my fav?
Oh, and in case you missed it…I want better than LaRoche.
Congrats Bub on finishing your finals!
December 9th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Phillies drank our milkshake. The rich get richer. (They just signed Gload)
Will, I heard it somewhere. I thought it was here. I googled, no luck.
December 9th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Okay, Will, I really did strain my brain to find the right words to search out the Soriano thing, but it’s just not coming.
I did not make it up, and I didn’t file it away in the “Likely True” part of my brain because some blogger said it (unless they were quoting – it’s possible I believed a quote without a link, very possible). I think I heard or read it someplace somewhat legit. Braves players questioning his lingering injury/ surgery at some point.
Now, the guy-who-knew-Soriano’s-doctor hypochondriac part, that was just somebody saying that. But I think that’s the way I represented it.
December 9th, 2009 at 12:42 am
maybe your source was Sore Throat, cousin of Deep Throat?
December 9th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Leah, if Chipper retires with Bobby, guess what 3B is a free agent next year?
Hint: He’s very, very beautiful, he joined the MLB as a third baseman, but currently is at first, and his name rhymes (approximately) with “Gormet Catfood.”
(Say, why aren’t we looking at him this year in a trade? 16 HR, .289 BA, and can fill in for Chipper AND man 1B – well, not at the same time… and then get an OF for your power bat.
AND THEN, if Chipper does go the way of the do-do this year, in 2011 move Gormet Catfood to 3rd, Freeman to 1B, and use Chipper’s salary relief to pick up a HUGE OF Bat. See… I’m alllllllways thinking…)
December 9th, 2009 at 12:48 am
* Gourmet.
Will, okay, I made it up.
G’night, ABT.
December 9th, 2009 at 12:52 am
Oh, and he’s right handed. Let’s get him. And a good OF.
Alright, really sleeping.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Sore Throat…aka…. Curt.
Bub-no biggie. Ize just curious cause it sounds so lamedevious. Enough to be true.
December 9th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Ew…I don’t think I can stomach Gourmet Catfood. I like my baseball players to look less like they got hit by a bus. I’m keeping my 1st base pipe dream alive.
December 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Nevermind about Goad. O’s, ‘stros and Halos…who would we want from these teams?
December 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Soriano’s brilliant. He gets the high yearly AND he gets to choose which of these teams he says “yes” to, regardless of what’s being offered to the Braves. AND if the economy recovers, he can rack up next year.
Butthole.
December 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Of course, in his (scant) defense, Wren DID limit his earnings by offering him arbitration so that his value went down with the draft pick business. So, I guess good for his agent. Actually, ingenious. The Braves offered arbitration to a player he had no intention of having on the team, and in return, the player accepted it having no intention of being on the team. Tit for tat.
December 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I meant:
The Braves offered arbitration to a player THEY had no intention of having on the team, and in return the player accepted it having no intention of being on the team.
December 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I’m more nervous about not being able to dump him with each passing moment. Can a player be traded more than once in the offseason? Like LaRoche went to Yanksox and then came to Heaven’s favorite team this past season? What’s Rule 5? Is anyone tired of my questions? Please don’t create a whole new site and tell everyone but me.
December 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
there is a time period within which a guy can be traded only so many times. not sure the exact parameters.
Rule 5 is when there is a draft open to all teams of unprotected minor league players. Each team must submit a list of players they are protecting under Rule 5, then all the other teams can choose from the unprotected players. If a team has a player selected, they are allowed to pull back a certain number of unprotected players. A team can not lose more than 3 players. (I think it is 3). the caveate is that any player selected through Rule 5 must be on the opening day major league roster of the team by whom he was selected, otherwise he is sent back to the team from whence he came.
i think those are the highlights.
next, ask about the in-field fly rule, for Skip’s sake.
December 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Soriano will be moved easily enough, I think, though I’m not looking for much return. Some GM will have visions of his nasty, filthy pitches just in time.
I have my doubts about Lowe, but I’ll be out of panic mode once Sorry-I-Know (heh, a wrinkle, see it?) hits the bricks.
Re: Would you folks agree with this sentiment?:
Even though the return on Soriano will be of less value the two draft picks, it’s still better to have Wagner and the return on Soriano – than Soriano and draft picks we lose for Wagner – for the same money. I think Wagner’s performance will be that much more reliable. And, Lord help me, I think Wagner’s competitive drive will be an improvement over Scowl-pal. AS LONG AS things are going well. And, they will be.
December 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Re:?? I have no idea why I wrote “Re:” Time for a daily beer limit.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Yes Bub…I would be in the proverbial fetal position, brown satin sheets and all, without Wagner. So excited about the bullpen! I keep remembering a few shows back when a guest host, maybe Curt’s Phillies friend, commented on the trades gone wrong in the offseason allowing us to hold onto Yunel. He named a few other examples that I can’t think of but who knows how it will all flesh out.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Curt Shmurt. He didn’t name anything.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Yikes, DOB tweets that the Angels don’t want to pay that much for Soriano.
That’s the team with the MOST $$ who’s supposed be shopping for him.
Fe. tal. Po-sition.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Orioles are out of the Soriano game, too, tweets Rosenthal.
Leaving: the Astros. Big spenders.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
You know something? EVERYBODY said to begin with that offering Soriano arbitration in this economy/market was crazy. The only reason we all jumped on board was because we trusted that Wren wouldn’t be stupid.
If this ends up going ugly, what are we to suppose about Sir Frank? Is he cosmically clumsy after all?
Help, my knee is jerking.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
If the Phillies get Halladay, I quit.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Re (that’s for you, Bub) the Soriano angst … this is from DOB’s blog this hour: “Soriano will be traded before we leave here tomorrow, I’m fairly sure. So yes, it could be today. Braves are motivated to get that done, get that part out of the way before they go home.”
So, did Wren screw up by offering Soriano arb? I don’t think you can argue that. Given that they did not want to keep him and had clearly eyed Wagner/Saito to replace him, it was the only move. And, to answer a question above, there will be more known about the prospect we get in the Soriano trade than for the complete unknown of the draft pick we’d have gotten for him if he’d accepted arb.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
*Bows to Stevie, does the little palms-down thing*
December 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
*ALTHOUGH*
It was Steve who assured me Gory-Harmo wasn’t accepting the blame thing to begin with.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I will add that what we will know about the prospect we get for Soriano is that he is pretty average and has limited major league potential.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
A straight money dump will be welcome at this point. Astros about to snag Lindstrom. It’ll be down to the … drum roll … Rays to spend this kind of $$ on Soggy-whino.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Curt – a good point.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
15 teams in on Mike Gonzalez. Boy, the difference 2-3 million bucks makes.
*Bangs head against wall*
December 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Heartburn…
December 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
More people saying The Rays.
If I’m Wrathy-hell Story-oh-no, I’m thinking to myself, “would I rather face Boston and the Yankees in the 9th inning a bunch this year and hope THAT puts me in the business for a big contract next year? Or just take my chances adding little innings to my great existing resume here in Atlanta? Hmmm… are teams REALLY going to not notice that the reason I didn’t close was cuz Wagner was here? Why am I the devil?”
December 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
How, Stark says the Braves are prepared to eat money on Lowe.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
“How” is the new “wow.” More precisely, the drunk “wow”
December 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“Wrathy-hell Story-oh-no”…drunk Bub makes me laugh.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
“jaysonst: Soriano deal could get done today, sources say. Rays very interested but balking at $ and player(s) ”
No kidding? Just the money and the player(s)? That’s all that has to be ironed out? We’re home free.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
lol, Bowman: Braves don’t view any team as a front runner for Soriano.
Man, I hope that dude knows what he’s doing.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Yeah, I’m 80+ of the first 133 comments. And if I don’t wash a dish, something from the kitchen’s gonna eat my soul.
I’m gone again. Happy Lives To Everyone!
(Back in 5?)
December 9th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Interesting little tidbit from DOB.
“To finalize a trade with the cash-strapped Rays, the Braves might have to consider paying a small portion of Soriano’s salary and receiving a better player or prospect than might otherwise be expected in such a deal.”
December 9th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
This Soriano thing is undoubtedly a mess and the Lowe trade will likely be weeks in the making, excruciatingly long, frankly – but, it’s all pretty interesting, don’t you think? We’re not standing pat. We’ve got a little money to play with. We’re not KC or Pittsburgh. This is the second straight off-season with lots of action, lots of twists and turns. I don’t have a huge point here, other than to say that I’m loving it!
December 9th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
“frankly” get it? So in the morning Soriano may go to the Rays per DOB. So is this a trade or just a purchase? I didn’t see another player named. Do the Rays have someone of interest to us? Do all you guys keep thousands of players names in your head or is that just Curt?
Bub, 5 minutes/hours/days is acceptable. Any longer and my name changes. Got it?
December 10th, 2009 at 2:02 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/images/headshot_47279.jpg
December 10th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I’m no genious but I’m thinking this is not ideal.
December 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Buh bye Soriano!! (thanks, Leo Mazzone and the morning radio show)
December 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Leah – this is a trade. We send Soriano and his 7 – 8mil contract to the Rays. And we get Jess Chavez who may or may not see the light of day in the bullpen and his 400K contract. This is a salary dump, plain and simple. The guy we got back (so long as his salary was small and he has a pulse) was somewhat inconsequential. The Braves had to get rid of Soriano and his contract.
December 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Other baseball news that doesn’t make me the least bit sad: “Barry Bonds’ agent finally acknowledged Wednesday that the home run king is done playing baseball.” Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/09/SPUI1B20LT.DTL#ixzz0ZIfM7RQ2
December 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Ok Steve, so it isn’t terrible? Sure feels like a huge let down but I’ll try to be patient. It may be a virtue but it’s certainly not my strong suit.
December 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
“Chavez hasn’t been overly impressive in his brief career, and might not be what some Braves fans expected to get in a trade for Soriano, who had 27 saves and 12.1 strikeouts per nine innings pitched last season.
But in this unusual case, the important thing for the Braves was really just to get something of value in return for shedding a salary that would not have fit into their payroll after they already filled the closer and setup roles with Wagner and Saito.”
Seems like the key on all of this, as Steve was saying, is that we didn’t have to pay any of Soriano’s salary.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
…and besides, Leah: Bub’s going to be jealous (again) if you keep pining for Soriano. He left you without a wave or leaving a note. He’s not coming back. Deal with it. I suggest counseling.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I do need counseling no doubt. I’m definitely not going to miss “Wrathy-hell Story-oh-no”I just am nervous about filling the gaps in the lineup. I know it’s early. I’m trusting that you guys are right about this not being a complete disaster because a lot of people are saying it’s crap.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I honestly don’t know how this is a complete disaster. Based on the premise that not pursuing Soriano as a free agent was a good idea (an idea I wholly agree with: the dude had injury problems, lost pitch control at times and was a bit of a head case), then you either offer him arb or not. The general consensus around baseball (and according to the Elias rankings of type A free agents) was that he’d be a highly sought after commodity. So, you offer him arb. We’ve got a warm body in return for him. If we’d not offered him arb, we’d have nothing right now. Should Wren have held out longer on the trade and gotten something better? Should he have targeted a better player, but have to cover some of Soriano’s contract as a result? I think this went just fine. Get rid of him and his total contract and move on as expected.
December 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I feel much better. Stevie’s never been wrong as long as I’ve known him.
December 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
From FanGraphs on Chavez (stolen from DOB):
Chavez is a right-handed reliever with a plus-plus change and velocity that sits in the 94-96 range. Thanks to that change he has a reverse platoon split, and is exceptional versus lefties. He figures to profile as a late inning reliever with the Rays, although he’s had issues with home runs which, if fixed, could really change the dynamic of his career arc. Whether that change actually occurs is up to Chavez and the Rays coaching staff to figure out….
December 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
“reverse platoon split” WoW!
December 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Anne, I waved. She saw me wave.
Bobby’ll never get his mind wrapped around a reverse platoon split…
Bobby: “Gimme the righty… Shaviez… err … Chabuzz… err…”
Roger: “Chavez.”
Bobby: “CHAVEZ, right. Gimme Chavez.”
Roger: “It’s backwards with him, remember.”
Bobby: “Oh yeah… I knew that … uh… okay, gimme the lefty.”
December 11th, 2009 at 7:49 am
In 2011, I really will miss pondering what Bobby’s nickname for any given player would have been.
December 11th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I saw Bub wave. You’re the guy on my street with the binoculars right?
December 11th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Anne – that is FABULOUS point. And one, I’d guess, not many are thinking about now but will be top of mind when Bobby’s gone. I’m getting nostalgic for Bobby’s goofy ways already.
December 11th, 2009 at 9:49 am
“C’mon Chavy, c’mon kid”!!!
December 11th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Im sure Terry P can think of some good nicknames.
December 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Will, dude riding down the road on a bike right next to my car…blew snot. I almost threw up and then I thought of you.
December 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
From Soriano: “I chose salary arbitration because they had showed interest in keeping me. Then they said I was too expensive and that I wasn’t going to be their closer.”
I have a hard time believing this, the Braves indicated they were going to keep him part. To me, this is him trying to cover for his agent and he manipulating the system and subverting the diminished interest in him because teams did not want to give up a draft pick for him. I’m really back to desping him again.
December 11th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I don’t like him, either, but the manipulation of the system, in this instance, begins with the Braves. They offered arbitration to a player they didn’t want. No matter what unspoken code is supposed to cover that, I can’t fault a player for trying to get around it.
Otherwise, the draft picks end up coming out of Soriano’s pocket, because you know the value of the DP’s are subtracted from any offer.
That said, he’s full of sh*t. I’m glad he’s gone. Truth? I never liked him.
December 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
“I’m getting nostalgic for Bobby’s goofy ways already.”
In 2010, we’ll win 95 games because the legend is leaving.
In 2011, we’ll win 100 games because he’s gone.
(Sorry. Sort of.)
December 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
From the DOB-JOB:
Here’s what Bobby Cox said at the Winter Meetings, when asked if the Braves might be willing to go big dollars and sign Matt Holliday or Jason Bay:
“No, we are not in that bidding at all, no. We have a young kid by the name of Jason Hayward that just turned 20 in August that is maybe the top prospect in all of baseball. We’re going to give him a chance to compete for one of the outfield jobs.”
*****
What the? We’re not signing Holliday/Bay = we’re not signing anybody? I know that can’t be what he means, but what’s the logic of that answer?
December 11th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
GREAT NEWS EVERYONE! I just came across a great website…http://www.bizofbaseball.com. It can answer all my silly chick questions so I won’t have to allow you all to see how uninformed I actually am! I’m going to seem so smart now!
Soriano sounds like an idiot in that quote. You don’t think anyone actually buys it do you? Even I would see through that smoke screen.
December 12th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Matt Diaz signs miles before arbitration again. I love me some Matt Diaz. All hustle and no fuss.
December 12th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Bub – you just made my day.
December 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Kelly Johnson has been non tendered, and also, Hello everyone, my name is Kris and I plan on being a significant part of your lifes.
December 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Welcome Kris! Oops, that’s Steve’s line. So KJ. What do we think?
December 12th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Prediction: Kelly Johnson will have a more successful MLB career than Jordan Schafer.
A sad day for Bub.
High, Kris. As the blabbermouth who machine-guns the comment section with neurotic, fickle nonsense once a week, I officially welcome you.
December 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
In my official Unselfish Sports Sentiment of the Year, I’m pulling for Gerhart to win the Heisman over my man, Ingram.
Leah, ask your fella if this gets me to Heaven. At least to an interview?
December 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Bub, I hope your sadness is only due to KJ although I didn’t remember you being such a fan. I say it leaves us with more money for AG.
Regardless of such sadness just think January 7 and you’ll feel better.
December 12th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Leah, my favorite ten 2009 Braves personalities: McCann, Diaz, Kelly, Jurrjens, Hanson, Prado, Hudson, Norton, Kawakami, Ross. In that order, approximately.
So, yeah, I’m very sad over KJ. Probably best for the team. I guess. I can’t get that beautiful swing out of my head, though.
December 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Norton? No Frenchy?
December 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Not much left of the “Baby Braves” of 2005:
Jeff Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, Ryan Langerhans, Wilson Betemit, Brian McCann, Pete Orr, Brayan Pena, Andy Marte, Kyle Davies, Roman Colon, Blaine Boyer, Macay McBride, Anthony Lerew, Chuck James, Joey Devine, Jorge Vasquez, Frank Brooks, and Matt Childers.
December 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Nope, no Frenchy.
NO Frenchy.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…
*takes breath*
…OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
….. Frenchy.
No.
December 12th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Good post, Tcc. Strange, isn’t it?
December 12th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
They also resigned Moylan and Boone Logan. I’m thinking Logan will be a throw in on a trade. Young, cheap, relatively serviceable lefty. Those guys have value to teams. And they like this Hyde kid, so he could take his place.
December 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Hi Bub and “I like baseball”
That’s an odd name for a person, what nationality is it? Scottish? It sound a wee bit Edinburgh-ish.
I like the Kelly non tendering, I knew it would happen, I just hope Braves sign Church.
December 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I just found out I can down log NPR’s old “Car Talk” podcasts for 95 cents a pop. I may never make it back to school.
December 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
@ Comment #172
Betemit and Reyes weren’t apart of the Baby Braves
December 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
*download.
Down log?
December 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I LOVE cartalk! Bub, sometimes I think we’re the same person. Then you do something like include Norton in the list above.
Kris, I’ve been having an identity crisis as of late. This offseason has me all discombobulated.
December 12th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Try going into the woods, alone, on a spirit walk to find yourself. That should solve your “identity crisis.”
December 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Kris, funny thing, I went on such a walk this morning. All the kudzu has layed down and died in ginormous mounds over the woods behind my apartments, so I went exploring. Need to do that stuff more.
Leah, Norton’s personality. That’s all. It was a list of personalities. I did not like seeing him at the plate.
And if you ever get a chance to hear January 1, 2005 Car Talk, it’s a blast.
December 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Bub, can’t you get Car Talk from Itunes free?
December 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Tcc, you can get the current show for free. As far as I know, though, the archived ones cost. But not much… I mean, a buck for a one-hour show, as opposed to a buck for a 4 minute song, etc.
But if you find out the old ones are free on iTunes as well, pass that along to me, would you?
December 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Depends on the song.
December 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I didn’t know the new ones were free on iTunes…thanks Tcc. That should help my offseason woes.
December 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Sigh. Nobody said the songs weren’t worth a dollar, ma’am. Just using the contrast to point out what a happenin’ deal the podcast is.
December 12th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I feel ya Bub. I agree…all kinds of love for Car Talk. See what we have to endure on a day when NOTHING good happens with the Bravos? Oh the insanity! Come on Frank! Give us something to talk about! Are you still enjoying The Avett Brothers?
December 12th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Yes to The Avetts. Just listened to it again last night, actually.
December 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
See? Peas in a pod.
December 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Never heard of the Avett Bros, but just googled them and listened to I and Love and You…great song, great sound! Thanks for the tip.
Bub, I think you are right about the new and old episodes of Car Talk.
BTW..aren’t we supposed to hear something about Moylan soon??
December 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Tcc…you have to listen to that whole album. Fantastic! You must have been AWOL when Bub first saw the light a few weeks ago.
December 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
AWOL, yeah..I was busy pulling for CJ Spiller to win the Heisman, or at least beat the gamecoots.
December 12th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Tcc, Braves tendered Moylan a contract
December 12th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Good news! Thanks for the update!
December 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Tcc, yeah, Leah linked an Avett Brother’s tune on here one day and I spent the next 8 hours in musical ecstacy. That album is way good. Best new (new to me) music I’ve bought in a long time.
Leah, yes, peas in a podcast. Heh… heh…. heh-heh-heh… *ahem*
December 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Also, Tcc – as I know you’ll appreciate this – there is a moral undercurrent to that band that is really resonant, without being preachy. They seem to understand the confusion of trying to be good, etc.
Not that you seem confused. Or good.
December 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
“Jest ‘fore Christmas I’m as good as I kin be”! But confused, sure. That’s baseline.
December 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Peas in a podcast…why didn’t I think of that? So simple. Bravo Bub on seeing the Avett’s undercurrent.
“I don’t know if my soul is saved. Sometimes I use curse words when I pray.”
December 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
#200! “Time for another show” cried my thumbs.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Leah, there’s no thumb crying in Baseball!
December 12th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Ingram wins the Heisman.
Hopefully it won’t curse the big game the way it sometimes does.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Wow! I voted for Suh!
December 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Suh is a BEAST. He and Gerhart were worth watching games just to see them.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
True or False: If you play in the majors, you make at least 400,000 no matter where you go from there, yes, even the minors
December 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Leah, that snot funny.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
I am so ready for this College football season to be over. I’m glad for ya Bub but the Rev is getting hard to live with.
Lol Will, dang straight! Strange man’s boogie residue on my car snot funny AT ALL!
December 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I thought the rookie minimum was 250,000..whatever, I’m sure it’s changed.
Not my theory, but I agree that a player will always be paid on the current/going price for the best stats he produced in his career. In other words, a player who puts up big numbers in a given year will forever be seen as a guy who can duplicate that. So teams pick him up and pay him the going rate, assuming he will do it again. It’s kind of an insane way of doing business. Sometimes it even works!
December 12th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Well guys,
During Fehr’s tenure as Executive Director, player salaries have increased more than tenfold. In 1983 (the last year before Fehr became Executive Director), the minimum salary for a Major League Baseball Player was $35,000 and the average salary was $289,000. This year (2009), the minimum is $400,000 and the average is more than $3.3 million
Any other questions? Yes, I am the answer queen.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Ok…pretend it has quotation marks and is sited as being from bizofbaseball.com
December 12th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
$400,000 indeed. Get hired, play a year and retire! I’m working on my slider right now!
December 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Here Answer Queen:
If a rookie is brought up to the Majors in season 1, but in the offseason doesn’t make the MLB team, does he make 400,000 in season 2. Answer please and thank you
December 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
with proof
December 12th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
No, he does however get a free set of steak knives. Just kidding. I have no idea but Bub probably does. What say you Bub?
December 12th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Connor Robertson of the Mets, brought up in 2008, paid 400,000. In 2009, went to AA and AAA, made 400,000.
December 12th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Can you imagine the disappointment of missing out on those steak knives. A person would need some serious therapy!
December 12th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I’ve just listened to back-to-back-to-back Car Talk episodes. My face is sore from smiling.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Leah, I don’t know that stuff. It was a miracle if any of the rules I explained the other day were even right. (I know some of it was wrong; for example, June 1st should have been June 16th. Or 15th. Something.)
But it’s neat that I’ve got you fooled. 8)
December 13th, 2009 at 10:26 am
You got me…hook, line and sinker. I’m seriously going to listen to some Car Talk today.
December 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I’ve got a $3-a-day Car Talk habit. Is there a support program?
How can anybody be so consistently funny on their feet as those guys?
December 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW! NEW SHOW!
……….. please?
December 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Clearly no one on this message board has any good advice on fighting addiction.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUOkbvRpBIc&feature=related
December 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Bub, this came across my twitter feed. Have you seen it? Misery loves company and it looks like your not alone in your love for KJ.
http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=1598&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CapitolAvenueClub+%28Capitol+Avenue+Club%29&utm_content=Twitter
December 13th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
“In 2008 Terry Pendleton decided that he didn’t want Kelly Johnson (and I quote/paraphrase), “looking at so many called 3rd strikes”, so he messed with his approach a bit, which resulted in a lower walk rate.”
I remember this exact moment and screamed about it then. One of my favorite things about Kelly was watching him work a walk after a two-strike count. He wasn’t a guess-swinger. He had the eye, like Chipper.
Then along comes Terry Pendleton. The same do-do who didn’t want to “take away Francoeur’s aggressiveness” DID want to take away Kelly’s patience.
Kelly will prove the Pendleton Problem some year soon.
Thanks for the article, Leah. I had almost accidentally calmed down.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I’m always here for ya. Glad I could help.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
OH MY GOSH I SOLVED THE PUZZLER ON CAAARRRR TAAALLLLKKK!
First time ever.
I got it. 8)
I have arrived.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Just over two months until pitchers and catchers report. Bub, how many episodes of Car Talk will that be? Congrats on the puzzler..no small feat, but if you’re that smart can you tell me who the “Big Bat” is gonna be???
December 13th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Seven shows in two days, Tcc. I now have a Boston accent.
No idea on the Big Bat. Nady, maybe, and hopefully a 1B back-up plan. Truly, no idea. I’ve lost track. The DeRosa and LaRoche (supposed) contracts are crazy talk.
My highest hopes at this point: Dump 2/3 of the Lowe money, snag a couple of medium-decent bats, and have some cash/leverage at the ASB after we see where we are with Heyward and all the pitching. Also curious to see if Prado can repeat.
Other high hopes: a crazy good year from McLouth, Heyward goes nuts (ROY), Hanson throws a no-no, Kawakami posts a 3.50, Wagner leads the NL in saves, Chipper hits 29 homers and bats .255, McCann hits 29 homers and bats .295 (mvp), Jurrjens wins 22 games (cy young), and Diaz has two separate 20 game hitting streaks. Braves pitching sets MLB record for games giving up less than three hits.
Suspected (slight-to-heavy) disappointments: Vazquez, Saito, Prado.
Amazing Semi-unexpected Results: Proctor, Infante
Bobby’s Great Send-Out: Loses World Series one more time for old time’s sake.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Oh…no…he…did…not! Prado? A dissappointment? Never! Don’t dwell on the KJ love Bub. Just transfer it. Stick AG at 1st/ win the WS and i’ll drink the koolaid.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
My Prado aprehension has zero to do with KJ. Nope, not even subconsciously.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(I was completely in favor of Prado winning the job … after TP wrecked Kelly.)
December 14th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Alright. I have finally reached the Click & Clack snort-laughter threshold. Everybody’s got one.
I’m blasting Led Zeppelin at volume 25 to wash the NPR-suburban residue out of my brain. Tomorrow I’ll burn an Izod sweater at dawn and my manhood will be fully recovered.
Goodnight, ABT.
*shaking two rock-n-roll fists at the screen, violently shaking head back and forth*
“… nobody’s fault but miiiiiiiine…. nobody’s fault but miiiiiiiiiine…”
December 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Kris – welcome to the board. It’s good to have you. I’ll get your link up shortly.
Bub – Nobody’s Fault But Mine is just so, so good. I don’t think it gets the love that it should. It should be Rock and Roll/Black Dog/All of My Love/Heatbreaker kind of big. And yet, no. And speaking of Zeppelin, I will now involve the board in my on-going campaign to generate more love for Out on the Tiles from Led Zeppelin III. How did that song not enter the Zep pantheon?
Sad about Kelly in many ways. Sad that he faltered so badly this past year, sad that no one wanted to trade for him and sad because he seems like a really good guy. Of the clubhouse interviews from last year, he was, hands down, the most honest, real and vulnerable guy I spoke to. And now that that’s over with, screw him and let’s get a big bat!
Nady?!?!?! Two TJ surgeries, people. Two.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Steve, I’m yet a babe in the ways of Led. One of the absurd holes in my musical education. So I have no real albums (a Rock & Roll sin, I know), just Mothership and a CD of iTunes I brilliantly labeled “Led Z. Not on Mothership” with songs like Tangerine and that woman-who-won’t-be-true song. Really, I don’t know, beyond Kashmier and St*@$rw^y to H%$v#n, which songs are best loved.
FWIW, “Nobody’s Fault But Mine” threatens to be my favorite. I youtubed Out of the Tiles, and though I don’t qualify for your revolution, I dug it muchly.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Lackey to Rsox looks likely. Good news for the Bravos, possibly.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
‘Achilles Last Stand.’ That’s all I will say. It might be the greatest rock song ever. Bonham at his finest. And that’s saying something.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
*Poof* Halliday and Lackey gone.
Lowe up to bat.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
*Halladay
December 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The Lee-to-Mariners part of the Halladay deal isn’t official yet. I’ll freaking die if the Phillies end up with both Lee and Halladay. Die. Dead.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
The Atlanta Braves holiday e-card is goofy and adorable…FYI.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Anne, I love your new hairdo! I imagine no one else will notice because, well they’re men.
Dear Santa, please send us a big bat for Christmas. Love, ABT
December 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Dear Santa,
F*ck the big bat, please send us a 2010 Braves World Championship Trophy. It doesn’t have real, just authentic enough to heal the pain of a Philly World Championship.
Also, I want $1,000…. and world peace, but DON”T get distract! 1,000 bucks comes first!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Steve –
Don’t worry about it.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
No worries about Halladay. We have Goldar the giant killer on our team.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Halladay = fine, okay. Halladay + Lee = start car, run hose from tail pipe to window.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
We beat up on Lee pretty bad, & we beat Halladay with our #5. The Phillies are out of there ever loving mind. DO IT RUBEN AMARO. I DARE YOU!!!
IMO, they’re gonna lose more than they’ll gain. They’ll likely still have the most potent offense in the division…but they’re pitching staff will be a JOKE. We’ll probably beat the piss out of them in ’10, but we need to knock around the Marlins & the Nationals too!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Amen, Brother!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I turn off the computer for a couple of hours and both Lackey and Halladay are looking to be gone. Very, very nice. The Lowe talk should now heat up like crazy. Dealt before Christmas? Quite possibly. And Bub, all the talk I’ve heard/seen is that the Phillies have to move Lee because they can’t afford both he and Halladay.
Bluesman, I like your confidence, but is it real or just bravado? You could argue that gaining Halladay and losing Lee is somewhat of an upgrade or even a wash. Now it depends if Happ goes or Drabek goes. Is Pedro back for the Phils next year? Probably not. Is Moyer back in the rotation? Doubtful. Getting rid of Happ would be a blow to the rotation, for sure.
Cameron to the Sox. That blows. I really, really wanted Cameron.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
From Danny Knobler:
Could Yankees trade for Lowe?
Posted on: December 14, 2009 5:52 pm
Now that John Lackey is headed to the Red Sox, and now that Roy Halladay is headed to the Phillies, and now that Cliff Lee is headed to the Mariners, where does Derek Lowe go?
How about the Yankees?
The Yankees want a fourth starter to go with CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Andy Pettitte, and they have hitters who could interest the Braves. The two teams have talked, and while it’s not certain that a Lowe deal has been discussed, it would make sense.
Lowe also makes sense for the Angels, who have lost out on both Halladay and Lackey, their two top targets. Outfielder Juan Rivera would be “a nice start” to a package for Lowe, according to someone familiar with the two teams.
The Mariners have also shown interest in Lowe, but now that they are set to get Lee, they would seem to have less motivation to make a trade.
The Braves began the offseason exploring deals for either Lowe or Javier Vazquez, but sources said that they are now much more focused on dealing Lowe than Vazquez. Vazquez, in any case, would be a tough deal to make for the Angels, because of the pitcher’s strong preference to stay on the East Coast.
The Braves are willing to pay some of Lowe’s salary ($45 million over the next three years), depending on the players they get in the trade.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
So, what was the twinkle in Bobby’s eye business regarding a bat, then? Nothing? Nady doesn’t make my eye twinkle.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think people have fully realized just how ridiculous a staff of Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson, Kawakami with Wagner at the back end is going to be.
But, what a shame to be that close to possible DOMINANCE, just to come up one measley player short.
Where’s the bat? Would they really g into two offseasons in a row talking about this bat and come out with … Garret Anderson and Xavier Nady??
Oh, well. We can grab the Wild Card with this team AS IS, if Heyward performs.
Go BRAVES!!! Dump LOWE!!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
That’s good news, Curt. Competition should make a real difference in the return/ $$ eaten.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
“As the deal stands now, M’s prospects would only be going to Philadelphia, not Toronto, sources tell Todd Zolecki of MLB.com”
Yikes. Oh well, at least the Mets are sleeping.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Well, with Matsui going to the Angels, they might have an extra outfielder. Sounds like he is going to be primarily their DH, but even still.
And, further word, is that Philly is losing Happ, Blanton and Dominic Brown, their top positional prospect, in this deal. BluesMan is right. Their pitching staff is going to be gutted. Who is going to start for them? They’ll have 2 guys. Halladay and Hamels coming off a horrible season. Lee is gone. Is Madson going to start? Are they going to sign someone like Ben Sheets? Is Moyer back? I’ll take the end result.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Sorry. Talk is that Lee might not be going. It might be the package of Happ, Blanton and Brown instead. Top-3 of Halladay, Lee and Hamels is pretty solid. Even with Hamels’ 2009.
Hmmm.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Curt, that talk is from hours ago, unless you’ve got something fresh. What talk do you have?
MLBTR has this as its latest:
10:12pm: Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun (via Twitter) has Toronto getting Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud; Philly getting Roy Halladay and Phillippe Aumont; and the Mariners getting Cliff Lee, plus another piece (or, pieces).
December 15th, 2009 at 12:22 am
“The Cardinals have offered Matt Holliday a deal which would pay him $16MM per year for at least eight seasons, writes Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.”
That is absolutely, totally, utterly, catimaclismically insane.
(Leah, where you atz?)
December 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Sorry to miss such great chatter but I was helping a friend stay married. Not to mention the fact that December is eating me alive. If the Philly’s end up with Lee and Halliday I’m in my van down by the river partaking in a strong illegal substance and jumping in said river.
Bub, do you just look at different Twitter pages or do you have an account? Cause, I haven’t recieved a follow request from you…I’m sure it’s some sort of electronic delay. I get it…you’re afraid the Rev will kick your ass. Between you and me, I think you could take him.
(If you have an account and you’re afraid I’m a crazy phsycho lady just pretend you don’t even know what it means to tweet.)
December 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am
The Phillies will be unstoppable if they somehow keep Lee and add Halladay. Even if Atlanta’s rotation matches theirs in ERA over the year cuz of our depth, those hitters will put them way ahead. Not only that, but while Atlanta’s rotation is built for winning a division/ wild card, a Lee-Halladay combo would be built for postseason domination, where the first and second starters are the most important pieces of your team.
Would be bad, bad news. Atlanta could still capture the wild card, but Philly would win 105 games and be post-season beasts. The Phils would fall back to earth in 2011 when Lee jets, and the Heyward-Hanson-Jurrjens trifecta should enter its full strength then, but who wants to wait another year? Say NO to Lee-Halladay.
Leah, I might could take the Rev, but his Boss is another story. We’ll figure out the tweet bid’ness when I get back. Going to make the family rounds the next few days.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
I’m literally holding my breath until Lee is elswhere. Whatup Bub? Doesn’t your family know you have priorities? Do they not own computers?
December 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Something tells me there could be lots to talk about after this week. What do you say guys…new show? I’m not above crashing the message board again.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Getting-Close-Phillies-Halladay-Agree-on=1&blockID=103547&feedID=704
December 15th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
http://bit.ly/88KoWL.
Also named by Time mag one of the top 10 albums in 2009. Just sayin.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Hey gang – Sorry for being away, looks like I have missed some good talk. A couple of things. . . .
- We are planning a show for Sunday. Message received. Lots to talk about, including my getting to hold both of the Red Sox world series trophies and meeting Sam Kennedy, COO of said Red Sox. Pretty cool. Also pretty funny watching the couple of Cubs fans in attendance staying as far away as possible while still looking longingly at them.
- I think that Zep III is one of the best/most under-rated albums by them. Since I’ve Been Loving You is one of the greatest rock/blues songs of all time. Celebration Day. Tangerine. Out on the Tiles. Amazing record.
- I love Physical Graffiti though. In the Light is a HOF rock song. Ten Years Gone is also quite good. In My Time of Dying. Quite a few others.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Something nice from Freeman’s home crowd.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/freddie-221121-freeman-league.html
Hammy, looking forward to the show.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Thank goodness! All these rumors and options are making me crazy! Nice article Bub. Makes me excited to be a Braves fan. Can’t wait!
December 16th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Yeah, Bub, thanks for that article. So much focus on Jason Heyward lately but what if both these guys turn out to be the “real deal”? The future is bright!
December 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Did you guys see this? Lowe seems a bit bitter. Did Frank forget about peoples feelings again? http://bit.ly/88rOOW
December 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Nothing bitter about:
“I take it kind of personal,” Lowe said. “Noboby made them give me a four-year, $60 million contract. There wasn’t a ransom or anybody holding a gun to their heads. It was a negotiation and that’s what they viewed as fair. I would have never even considered going there if I knew that ultimately this was going to happen.”
Freaking loser. He stunk up the joint for 15 biggie-large. Hush up and move on. You think you’d have ever been hired if the Braves “knew that ultimately this was going to happen”? Just two different this’s, that’s all.
Sheesh, now I REALLY want him gone.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
From the AJC:
Here’s what Scott Boras told [DOB] about the Lowe trade possibility on Nov. 9:
“He’s a veteran player. He understands when you sign a contract without a no-trade clause that you’re going to be talked about [in trade discussions].”
December 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
lol.
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/lowe.jpg
December 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Let’s keep in mind that 20 wins is in contention for the Cy Young award and that 15 wins is very very good. I think Lowe’s biggest liability is that his agent is Boras.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
No, Tcc, he isn’t any good. I’m mad at him. He stinks. His 15 wins were all supported by eleven runs or more, and sometimes he was awarded a win even though the Braves lost. He is a stinky, dirty bum who can’t throw anything but a fit.
(Miller High Life commercials are good. Miller High Life beer is bad.)
December 16th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Dude needs to shut his pie hole or no one’s going to want him. I thought he was from Cali. Shouldn’t he be hopeful in a potential trade close to home? Like say the Padres (fingers crossed so hard they’re cramping)? Is there any validity to the theory that trading Lowe after one year other free agents would think twice about coming to Atl?
Does anyone know about toilets that run every few minutes? Just a little bit and very much on it’s own. I may throw it out the window before the night i over.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
“is over” and very sad about MHL. I love that big black dude!
December 16th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Ms. Leah, only a medium-big to big market team can take on the majority of Lowe’s dollars. No Padres in that, so you can uncramp.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Orioles will regret giving that much money to Gonzo. Boras is one talented freak.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Stop it Bub! The dream lives on! Santa’s coming! It’s freakin Christmas!!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Sorry, Leah. Full bore pessimist tonight. I’ll be better tomorrow.
The Angels are gonna go after Sheets and some other pitcher. The market is dry. This is crap. Lowe’s gonna end up pitching for … a team that rhymes with “Fat Santa Waves”
Boooooooooooooooooooo.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Derek Lowe, fan of Opera:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bdVfhg1Uba95/340x.jpg
December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
The continued saga of Lowe Is Now Bad:
http://sarawaraclara.blogspot.com/2009/01/derek-lowe-face.html
December 16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
lol, this I found on the MLB site, some guy called Yakuzafro:
Wren needs to go have a heart to heart with Lowe.
“Derrie, you were given lot of money to throw lot of baseball. You baseball go up up and over fence fence. We need bat, k? You not bat. Already 4 pitcher better than you in rotation, so you go fly fly over to the Angels.”
Alright, I’m done. It’s safe to play now. G’night.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:54 am
It’s awfully quiet. Do you think Frank is being sly like with Wagner? Maybe something big is happening right now and we just don’t know it.
December 17th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Leah – I am susbscribing to the “it’s quiet, too quiet” opinion as well. Something big is brewing.
And, agreed on Lowe. Very immature and very off-putting. “I would have never even considered going there if I knew that ultimately this was going to happen.” C’mon, Derek. You went with the money and a team that had a shot.
December 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
…….and were overpaid and directly contributed to that team not making the playoffs by sucking so mericlessly down the stretch.
Beat it buddy.
December 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
…had we known about your general sucktitude (caused even more by attitude than numbers) we would have saved the money and trouble and started Buddy or Camp.
December 17th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Feels good to deepen the bench a bit but I hope Mitch Jones isn’t Santa’s answer to my Christmas list.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Mitch Jones. I have a 3-foot blow-up Santa in the tiny piece of grass my apartment manager calls a back yard, and I just kicked him in his little plastic Santa nuts.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Ouch!!! Dag nab it!!! No presents for you!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Man, I would like to punch Derek Lowe in his fat mouth. Do you know what a bad position he has put Atlanta in now? Teams go into talks knowing we pretty much have to get rid of him or else deal with a disgruntled veteran. We’re officially over a damn barrel now, if we weren’t before.
DAMNIT I’m mad at him. I cannot STAND when player pull this crap.
Lowe + Teheran to the Yankees for Swisher or to the Angels for Rivera. That might be the only way out of this horrible jackpot without paying gobs of Lowe’s salary.
p.s. +1 to Frank Wren for not being interested in Derek Lowe (remember?) at the beginning of last offseason. It’s too bad we got so desperate.
PLEASE let the Angels get as desperate as we were.
December 17th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I’m afraid of the rumors of a Javy trade. Do you think there’s anything to it? Surely he won’t want to go back on his “I want to stay in God’s country” no trading clause.
December 17th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
No trading to the west coast that is.
December 17th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
…and who the hell’s Crash Davis? What’s Bobby gonna call him? You can’t get more badass than a name like Crash.
December 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
*facepalm*
This is Crash Davis, honey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDGQbLB-trM
December 17th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Wow, he needs an attitude adjustment and some style.
December 18th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Braves 2010 Lineup:
1. Nate McLouth CF
2. Martin Prado 2B
3. Chipper Jones 3B
4. Juan Rivera LF
5. Brian McCann C
6. Yunel Escobar SS
7. Xavier Nady 1B
8. Matt Diaz/Jason Heyward RF
9. Jair Jurrjens
If this were true, I’d imagine Schafer and Lowe get traded to LAA of A.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am
That lineup looks pretty good, especially when you compare with last year’s starters. For the record, I wasn’t even allowed to wear makeup when Bull Durham was made. Curtis shouldn’t mess with the simple minded while so frazzeled by the stress of the offseason.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Leah, you can’t listen to the show anymore until you see Bull Durham. It’s the best baseball movie ever made.
Crash Davis sets the record for most minor league homers in the movie and sees it as a dubious accomplishment at best. Thereby the correlation with he and Mitch Jones.
I don’t think the guy with the name like a shop teacher is going to be the answer to our problems.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I go to Durham Bulls games at least 3 times a year…does that count? Banned from the podcast until a task is performed…oh my heart. Looking on hulu.com immediately!
December 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Happy comment #300!
http://eagle.is-a-geek.com/2010baseballseason/
December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am
300
December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am
AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH
December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am
*sulks*
December 18th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Payback’s a b!+€h Bub.
December 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
What. Ev.
December 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
*sticks toungue out at BD*
December 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Well, we signed…. Joe… Thurston.
Oh, he hit a homerun last year. Which made… one … for his career.
But at least he hits .225
WTF, Wren? Couldn’t fill THAT slot internally?????
December 18th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Alright, I’ve been too harsh lately. Apologies. I’m an impatient dude.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Bub, I think you are just venting the impatience we all feel. I’m trying to wait and see what all you smarty pants think before I form an opinion. That’s just how I roll. I’m learning but still don’t have a clue and am very confused half the time. It seems like we should just go ahead and give the damn trophy to the Yankees anyway. I HATE the Yankees and all they stand for. How’s that for harsh?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Take a deep breath and watch this…it helped me. I’m so glad Javy’s from Puerto Rico.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6845509&c_id=atl
December 18th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Leah, I don’t think the Yankees will be able to buy championships every year. The very best baseball team vs. the second best baseball team, no matter the gap between them, is only gonna come out in favor of the best team in a 7-game series a slight majority of the time, if the trends hold.
BUT, across a 162 game season, yeah, the Yankees (and R. Sox) absolutely can buy complete domination. So, it hurts the A.L. East worse than anybody – thank goodness both those teams play in the same division. It also hurts the American league wild card hopefuls.
Basically, in the American League, there is wild card (Yanks or Sox every time, if the Sox keep up their spending, which they will). And also, in the American League, there is no Eastern Division. Rays, Orioles, Blue Jays; forget about it. They ain’t winning nothing no time soon (triple negative = still negative).
The punishment the Yanksox inflict on the National League is limited*: whatever team we send to the big show, they will be at a slight-to-medium disadvantage in a 7 game tilt. So, in the years that we win it, it’ll just be more satisfying.
ALSO, there will be years when the Yanksox fail to reach the World Series, even after winning 105 games or whatever – just the nature of 5 & 7 game sets. And in those years, it’ll be Even Steven.
*…well, they also snag all the Free Agents, but who cares as long as they rob us all in a somewhat equal rhythm, which they do.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“Basically, in the American League, there is wild card”
should be:
“… there is NO wild card…”
December 18th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Good clip, too, Leah. Can we start the season now??
December 18th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Sheesh, that whole post of mine is a mess, not that anybody will read one that long. I meant that whatever team the NL sends to the WS, the Yankees will be at a slight-to-medium advantage.
Whatever, I’m going back to just being a grumpy smartass.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Yeah, I just looked at the standings, and the Rays won 84 games. And finished 19 games out. That’s sickening.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I read the whole thing and mentally made corrections as I went. Great break from addressing Christmas cards while it snows. IT’S SNOWING!
December 18th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
For the lady, Mrs. Rev:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ6wxwNwU28
December 18th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I freaking love Spanish people. When I learn the language, I’m going South to get my woman.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/gonzalez-finalizes-orioles-deal/article1406076/
December 18th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
New show – Sunday night, 12/20.
December 18th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
8 inches of snow here in Asheville. Go Braves. Looking forward to the next ABT podcast.
December 19th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Wait, who lives in Asheville?? I camped there 4th of July 2002, my best camping ever.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Ive been in Scotland and London this week and am finally logging on . just feel like sharing that I was watching the telly in my hotel and there was football ( soccer), cricket, the darts world championship, and get this – competitive sheep dogs. ( collies chasing sheep around a field).
December 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Steve –
If your going to talk about LaRoche, here is a quote from him: (On the no contact from the Braves) “Guess I should have hit .400 while I was there.”
That comment upsets me a little more than Lowe’s. Frank Wren must be awful with negotiating with FA. Maybe he should start with LaRoche just to see his asking price, and if we can bring it down a little. I have no problem giving him a 3 year deal. Freeman shouldn’t be up here until 2011, I’d like him to be up here in 2012. Then in the 2012 season he start the season with LaRoche and Freeman.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Will,
How do you like? Went there in 06
December 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Derek Lowe + Matt Young + Paul Simmon = Juan Rivera
December 19th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Heres a challenge: http://tinyurl.com/y8qxya4
Come up with best switch hitting lineup, kinda cool.
December 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I don’t know about a 3 year deal for Rochey. I want the kid at first way before then. I’ll go crazy if we’re watching Adam watch strikes wiz by for the first half of the season. I think Frank is getting set up for his big move. Listening to interviews during the winter meetings confirmed in my mind he knows what we need and we know he will put feelngs aside to get it. Plus that man just had great hair. He’s like the sleeping giant with McDreamy type hair.
December 19th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Steve –
My site changed, yo.
December 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
“Derek Lowe + Matt Young + Paul Simmon = Juan Rivera”
Coversely,
Nick Lowe + Neil Young + Paul Simon = … Johnny Rivers
December 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
* CoNversely. I get excited when I pun.
December 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I see you worked hard on “Paul Simon”
How about –
Smickelback + Tankie Valli + Jay P = My morning Smacket
Lets see you pun that Mr. Funnyman.
December 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Can’t do it.
December 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Alright Mr. Wren…let’s have some action! I’m snowed in and can’t go anywhere, so give us some good news!!
December 19th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Bub,
Ah. We work well together, let’s go on tour.
December 19th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Santa, I hear Bull Durham is a great flick.
December 19th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Ooops, forgot my pseudonym.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Giants finished a few games ahead of the Braves, if they sign Adam LaRoche, I will be pissed. I knew the Braves were the 4th best team in the NL last year, problem was their team only got 85 games, while Phillies, Rockies, Dodgers, got about 150. he third place finish really left a bad taste in my mouth.
I don’t know where this fits in here, so, whatever!
SMICKLEBACK!
December 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Leah, you can trust your ABT friends on sports movies. Bull Durham was a gas! HO, HO, HO!
December 19th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
and by the way, Leah, did you get snow too?
December 19th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
We did Tcc. It didn’t stick but it was pretty while it lasted. Huge, fat flakes.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
10 inches here in A’ville. I’m ready for Spring….TRAINING!!
December 19th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Haha. G1. A’ville better thaw before New year’s Eve. The Rev and I have plans.
December 19th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Odds are in your favor for a nice visit to the “Land of Sky” (bring your woolies, just in case)
December 19th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Looking forward to the next ABT podcast tomorrow. So, what do you guys think about the future of Freddie Freeman? How soon do you think he will be ready? I think that’s the big question in whether to resign LaRoche. AL won’t take a one year deal but he might take two. I think FF will take that long to be ready for the bigs. Is there a chance to sign LaRoche for 2 years or will he insist on 3?
December 20th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Late. Night. Comment.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Bub, you must have some wild and crazy family. What do ya say Will? Time for a new podcast? Ow…my poor thumbs.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Ugh.
There’s a steam engine chugging in my skull.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine Corona bottles, and that’s without peeking in the trash can. In the future I don’t want to wake up to nine bottles unless there’s a bra hanging from a lamp post.
On second thought, no. Nine bottles and a bra could be bad, bad news.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Lamp post?
Lamp shade.
You see, it’s so likely I can’t even imagine it right.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Likely?
Unlikely.
Okay, coffee.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Ave I mentioned I HATE the Yankees?
At any rate, the Yankees clearly don’t have the trio market cornered. To listen to Sabathia, the world has forgotten them.
“They don’t give us enough credit, I don’t think,” Sabathia said this week, following the Lackey signing. “Everybody keeps talking about Boston now, Seattle now with Cliff and Felix [Hernandez], but I think we’ve got some pretty good guys in our clubhouse that can match up with anybody.
December 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Those poor, poor disrespected Yankees. A zillion dollar team, a world championship, and still an inferiority complex.
Hard to enjoy success, isn’t it C.C., when you know it’s based on Daddy Warbunkle’s fat wallet, and not the stuff that makes the sport great.
December 20th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
snuvelling show is fo nun:(
December 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
That quote was from MLB.com lest you all think I’ve turned literate. I’m totally bitter. How can people In good conscience be fans of that team?
December 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Ok, so ESPN rated A -ROD better than Chipper Jones in the decade 2000. I’m pissed! They’re reasoning? A-Rod “had 2 MVPs.”
SCREW YOU PAL!
December 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Nice one Falcons!
December 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
And Go Jackets! Gonna sit down with some Fellinis pizza and some cold beer and watch the game. In ATL for Xmas with the famdamly. Spent literally the past day on a plane – 10.5 hrs london to tokyo then 14hrs tokyo to ATL. Dont ask. Had a shower at least in the airport in Tokyo…but I am one mangy pooch right now. So far have not contracted swine flu, only indigestion. Looking forward to 10 days of 300 cable channels and mom cooking.
And a new show….yes, a new show post Tech Victory!
December 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Not surprised about Chip/A-rod. We usually have nothing but love and respect for ESPN here … yet I can see why they would rate A-Rod higher. Chipper/Braves havent had the better decade than A-Rod/Yanks.
December 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
400 comments…anyone?
December 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
one corona
December 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
two corona
December 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
three corona
December 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
four
December 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
363
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364
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365
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366
December 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!
December 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
New Show!
December 20th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
369
December 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
370
December 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Free Sebunty One
December 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Let’s play: Guess The Name of Show #88!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Show #88: When I said Big Bat, I Meant…
December 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Show #88: Lowe and LaRoche as Pleased as Smoltz and Glavine
December 20th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Show #88: Curt’s Voice is Back, but Now He’s Got a Lisp
December 20th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Show #88: Lowe and 42 Million to Yankees for Shelley Duncan
December 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Show #88: Guest Leah Explains Rule 5 Draft
December 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Show #88: ABT is back, but Curt’s GB is still missing!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Show #88: Atlanta Falcons Talk!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
# 380 Bang!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Show #88: Wagner Upset Wren Hasn’t Called Since Signing
December 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Show #88: Wren to LaRoche: “No, but maybe if you’d hit .250 in the first half…”
December 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Show #88: Lowe Traded To Himself for Stash of Ritalin
December 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Show #88: Bobby Cox: “This Our Year!! … eh, what year IS it, anyway?”
December 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Show #88: Surprise interview with Freddie Freeman!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Show #88: Lowe Traded for Outfielder Francoeur
December 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Show #88: Wren Files Grievance Against Himself
December 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Show #88: Post Number 388
December 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Show #88: Bobby! It’s your Last Year!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Show #88: Bobby! It’s your Last Year! (Bless his heart)
December 20th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Show #88: Terry Pendleton: “Man, I thought you said SITTING Coach.”
December 20th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Show #88: Bobby Cox Vows to Lose One Last World Series
December 20th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Show #88: Bubdylan Banned from Comment Section
December 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Show #88: HO, HO, HO!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Pitchers and Catchers report on Feb. 19!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
C’mon Bub, c’mon kid…we can do this!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Show #88: Yankees Cut Payroll to One Hundred and Five Dollars. Kelly Johnson Batting 1-8. Rotation: Boyer, James, Boyer, James, Boyer.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
*panting for air*
Two more posts.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Take it Tcc! Take it! Go!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
# 398!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
oops!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
YOU FOOOOL!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
*faints in disappointment*
December 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Santa had my back! Now lets have that new show!
December 20th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Show #88: Dr. Andrews on Leah’s Thumb, “Never Seen Anything Like It.”
December 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Show #88: Dr. Andrews on Leah’s Thumb, “Never Seen Anything Like It.” Bless her Heart!
December 20th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Show #88: Guest Bob Rathbun Reads from his Memoirs
December 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
ERA predictions, 2010, cuz I just lost my damn mind.
Hanson: 2.25
Jurrjens: 2.18
Hudson: 3.12
Vazquez: 3.05
Kawakami: 2.90 (yep) (shut up) (I said shut up)
Lowe: 8.96 (Out for the season after three games with a broken brainbone)
December 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Show#88. How sad is ILB for missing such a great party? Even Santa showed up. Stupid church small group. Oh well, my thumbs would have fallen off anyway. Great job guys…so proud. *sheds tear*
December 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
“Broken Brainbone” sometimes fatal but not necessarily career ending. Just sayin’
December 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Loved the guess the show titles. Hilarious. Really made my day. 1 hour until show time.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
JJ – changed your link. Thanks for the heads up.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Steve –
You ARE AWESOME!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Bubdylan,
You were on DOB’s blog? You remeber Paul Lentz right?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
JJ, just to save some time here, I was the guy who posted as Derek Lowe. 8)
Don’t tell anybody I cuss.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Steve, I download the show from itunes so I can listen on my ipod, but there is a delay factor. Sometimes itunes seems quick to have your show, sometimes it’s like 24 hours or more. What’s the process?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Tcc – the iTunes sweep process is inconsistent. I typically get the show posted to our website sometime between 11pm and midnight, ET. iTunes then “sees it” as a result of some periodic check to our site. I have no idea about the timing or the schedule. I’ve seen it up there an hour after I post sometimes. Sorry not to be more help.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Steve, I suspect itunes is a bunch of AL fans. Bastards!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Bubdylan,
HAHA That was the best. I have your IP address now
HAHAHA!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
That IP address is worth a cash reward in some states.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Which ones?
I could use a few bucks
December 20th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
You also posted as DOB and Robert the Nero.
Nice email btw – freak.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Wait,
you still post on the DOB site, are you cheating on us?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
lol, that email is made up. I forgot what I put.
I don’t post on the DOB site much. Honest. Honey, it was just one kiss. On the cheek!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Are you the president of the Pal Lentz fan club
December 20th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Holy cow, Lentz is totally committing blogicide right now. I’m fighting him (and losing) as Magnum Opus, but he’s gone off the cliff with the video references.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
No, I’m Magnum Dopus. Don’t look. It isn’t pretty. I’m in a foul mood over there… on… that side of my brain.
Golly, I need help.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Night all…Go Braves!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
lol, I just updated the events of another blog on this blog.
Yikes, g’night.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Bub,
Are you the President?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
No, JJ, that isn’t me. I’m really not on there much. And I’ve stepped out of the Lentz mess. Stopped being fun and got a little nauseating…
December 20th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
OMFG! Some idiot on DOBlog thought you were actually Frank Wren.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
…how could you…(said in a tearful whisper)
December 20th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Why isnt there a new show!>!>
December 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
*hands you a Kleenex*
Well, you were away so much, I … I …
December 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Show #88: The Show Who Wasn’t There
December 20th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Ok fine. We’ll share you if we must. Just because comments #383 and #391 made me laugh so hard at Five Guys I almost blew sweet tea out of my nose and onto my sweet unsuspecting children.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
The “Five Guys” pun possibilities almost sent me into a seizure.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
450 posts sometime soon? What’s the record?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I’m trying to reason with Lentz, to no avail.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
You’re doing an admirable job. Not that I ever look at other sites ever.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Bub,
You wanna write for PLFC?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Man, no way. I feel two inches tall for my part in it tonight. That dude’s gonna end up running down the street throwing gasoline bombs at windows, screaming “fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive miiiiiiilllllion eeeeeeeeeeaten hahahahahahahahaaaa!”
December 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Four.
Four.
Four.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Ha.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
I predict the new podcast will appear in … 10 … 9 …. 8 …
December 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Holy Crap! It worked!