Steve, I dunno about holding onto Soriano yielding a higher return. I’ve read a couple articles this week about how overpopulated the closer/ late inning market is this year. I predict the Rays will end up seeing they could have done better by holding off.
Also, consider this: by the time the Rays took the bait, they were the only suitor left. Astros, Yanks, Orioles, and other rumored suitors had officially bowed out. We were down to one stinking team, and the fact that we only got the bare minimum in return AFTER the other teams backed out tells us that the other teams were wanting the Braves to eat money. I mean, it’s not likely the other teams were offering to take the whole salary, but Wren wouldn’t pull the trigger because the player offered was less than Chavez.
Soriano was suspect to a lot of teams. Even fan sites were lit up with distaste for the guy. Reporters loved him, thought he’d be at the top. But teams just didn’t come calling as if they believed that. ANY of those teams could have gotten him for a return approximately equal to Chavez. And they all passed. As hot as some of Soriano’s stats were, he wasn’t coveted.
I think Wren dodged a MAJOR bullet by getting the Rays to take his salary. And to be honest, I think it’ll take a second near-miracle to deal Lowe without eating some serious cash.
Chip Caray received an early Christmas present on Monday morning, when Fox Sports Net hired him to serve as their play-by-play announcer for all the Braves games televised by Fox Sports South and SportSouth.
This was the role previously held by Jon “Boog” Sciambi, who accepted a full-time role with ESPN at the conclusion of this past season.
Later this morning, Fox Sports Net is supposed to officially announce this hiring of Caray, whose role as TBS’ lead baseball announcer was terminated on Nov. 30. That decision ended his association with Turner Sports, which handles all of the Braves games broadcast on Peachtree Television.
This arrangement will allow Caray to once again call a majority of the televised Braves games. During the past two seasons, he saw his workload with the Braves limited by the travel requirements that came with TBS’ national baseball package.
Poor Jason Marquis! That’s terrible. Worse than his latest hairstyle and “look.” My hairdresser was highly disappointed after seeing him – his wife (girlfriend?) used to send him to her in Vinings when he played for the Bravos. Yeek. Well, at least he’ll have a nice place to pitch in…and no one to watch.
Thanks, guys for the latest installment of ABT. What?? We have whiney players?? OMG! I guess we or they will just have to get over it.
Really I don’t think much is going to change in the near future. Trade a pitcher, our rotation will be ok. Sign or trade LaRoche, we still have Freddie coming. Heyward will come up and hopefully have an impact but he’s still going to be a rookie.
The Braves biggest concern for the future is third base. Chipper, hurt and part time is still miles better than anyone we have in the minors. We won’t have him much longer.
Trade Lowe to the Mets. Do it. It’s beautiful. Check it out:
1. Mets are desperate for a starter.
2. The last player we dumped on them, at this point, looks like gold to them.
3. Eat 3 million per year and take a minor league scrub, it doesn’t matter.
Then sit back and watch the dream:
1. Lowe hangs a 4.90, 5.54, and 5.99 ERA over the rest of his horrid contract.
2. Frenchy falls to pieces about late May after Wright calls him “On Base Percentury” in the press.
3. And since our signing of Lowe last year forced NY to sign Perez, they’ll have TWO terrible Boras contracts, and one Frigged Frenchy, all because of ATL!!!
4. BOTH Atl whiney babies got shipped to the funkhole of baseball.
It’s the most elegant sucker punch in baseball history.
(okay, lame maybe, but “On Base Percentury” is pretty good. Come on.)
Lame AJC is an oxymoron, Will. Too bad – it’s a crime that our newspaper “of note” looks more like my high school newspaper these days.
Is it just me, or was the sound quality this week better? I listened on my iPod, just like always, and raspy rough voices aside…I thought everybody was clearer. Maybe Santa got me better hearing for Christmas (early?).
I don’t hate the trade, but I sure don’t love it. I had NO idea why anybody EVER thought we would be able to trade D. Lowe. I mean, when we signed Tim Hudson, I was like, “well, see ya later Vazquez.”
Then it was reported, something like “it didn’t take long for Wren to discover there is definitely a market for Derek Lowe” and I was like, “okay, maybe, if that’s what they’re saying.” But what were we thinking? That’s an untradeable Scott Boras contract right down the middle.
So, is the writing on the wall at this point: Adam LaRoche?
Lowe (I am absolutely pissed that he’ll get more starts than Hanson, but he will)
I know we got burned on the several-guys-who-hit-twenty argument last year. But two of those guys were KJ and Frenchy. This looks more reasonable.
Poor Javy Vazquez. Bobby was a tonic for his fidgety mind. He might get killed up there.
This has been a very BLAH turn of events. Not terrible, but… not happy. There is no big bat coming here, we are going to keep our worst contract, and whatever dreams we had of being the beastliest pitching staff east of the Mississippi (waves at Leah)… we’re going to have to settle for just being pretty good. Not gonna cut it without a slugger.
Some positives: As albatross contracts go, Lowe’s is small beans. Remember Mike Hampton’s millions?
Here’s the happy Math:
Lowe: 6.7 million
Hanson: 6.7 million
Jurrjens: 6.7 million
Kawakami: 6.7 million
Hudson: 6.7 million
That’s our staff’s salary divided evenly. Not bad.
Do you see now that it was just business, dummy? Would you like to have those words back? Would you like to not be the guy who hurts the chemistry for the whole Bobby’s Last Run thingy they’re trying to build, before the thing even begins? We traded our Cy Young vote getter instead of you. What does that tell you? It isn’t personal, or even very much about performance. It’s business.
I hate it! I feel like we can seriously hand the trophy right on over to the Yankees. Steve, where are you with your positive outlook on life? Bub doesn’t hate it and Curt’s not allowed to comment unless he finds a silver lining. I feel like eating my unopened package of Trader Joes Brandy Beans in it’s entirety. My dream is dead. I have to stop typing or I may type words I will wish deleted as soon as submitted.
“I feel like we can seriously hand the trophy right on over to the Yankees.”
Not a chance. Listen, the Yankees were already going to win the division or wild card, so we’ve increased their presence in the playoffs by 0%.
Once they get there – and I LOVE Javier Vazquez – he is not going to handle it well. He’s just not. It’s not just regular Yankee pressure, it’s Yankee pressure in that freaking new stadium of their’s, where they give out HR’s like candy on Halloween. To me, Javy in the NY postseason is subtraction by addition.
But I LOVED him here, please nobody think I’m down on him. LOVED him. Wanted very much for him to use ATL to prove Ozzie wrong. But he won’t do that up in Yanktown.
To a certain degree, it’s impossible to say yet. I certainly wanted Lowe to go and not Vazquez. Can we assume this all means that Frank found no buyers for Lowe, probably. And, Melky is very nice player. Not a world changer, but a damn good player. And we save about 8MM in the trade. So, what does Wren do with this money about getting us a clean-up hitter? That’s the measuring stick of this trade. If this off-season becomes Melky and LaRoche, I will not be happy.
Cabrera is a very overrated player. If he puts up numbers (offensively and defensively) better than GA’s, I’ll be a little shocked. The players I’m most excited about is Arodys and Dunn. Huge potential for Arodys and Dunn could one day be a very servicable set up man and spot closer. I like the fact that he could also be flipped for someone good like Billy Butler.
“Next season may not be as much about winning as it is about laying the foundation for something better than the last three or four year of Padres baseball…
Could Hoyer send third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff packing, figuring that Chase Headley can play that position? What about Adrian Gonzalez? He could bring the Padres a plethora of young talent…
Hmmm…which team now has a plethora of young talent to spare? I’m thinking…I’m thinking…
As the day has gone, I’ve grown more and more critical of the trade. My thinking being that if we traded Lowe (our assumed Plan A) that would be salary dump and we pick up a great OF free agent player to hit in the 4 spot. A trade of Vazquez, after his career year, would most certainly yield the big bat and that would be that. But now the Vazquez trade seems like a bit of salary dump itself and none of the 1B FAs seem to fit the bill to be the big thumper. Again, I hope that Melky and LaRoche are not the end result here.
All of that said, here’s a more positive view from FanGraphs:
Vazquez is a quality pitcher and the Braves will miss him, no doubt, but they saved roughly $8 million in salary (once you account for Melky’s arbitration award), added a league average outfielder and one of the best young arms in baseball (Vizcaino). Perhaps it isn’t the price that top flight starters used to command, but when viewed in today’s market, this is a pretty decent deal for Atlanta. This is a significantly better return than what Philadelphia got for Cliff Lee, for instance.
Are we nervous with so little experience at 3rd? It seems like a good fit if he’s healthy. I hope he’s out there taking in some infield practice before spring training. I know it’s only a one year deal but he could play 3rd if Chip retires when Freeman comes up. I think I like it. Do I like it?
Leah, Glass half full here, in all things I share other’s concerns on here because I want the Bravisto Mens to win every game, forever. I get upset, to a degree, when they lose or make a seemingly boneheaded trade. But considering that over the last, almost 20 years you could tune in and have an above average chance of seeing/hearing the Braves win…I’m ok!
I’m a nurse and a fiddle/banjo player. Good, happy stuff.
I really appreciate that ABT and many posters here know a lot more about the ins and outs of baseball than I do(that’s why I’m here). Maybe they know more and so they feel it more when things aren’t what we want. They may express that in a negative way, but I’m sure it’s because they want what we all want. Go Braves!
I appreciate the half empty posters and host as well. If Curt says it’s good you know it’s frickin’ awesome. When his hope meter reached 5 last season I about died. The banjo…WOW! You should listen to The Avett’s older albums.
790 was dissing Glaus today, saying his big numbers came in early 00′s, that he was using PED, that his name was on the Mitchell report, that his injuries are post-PED related, that this is a big gamble. that all these trades are big gambles – Wagner, Saito, Glaus…that of course like any gamble could go the right way, but that we are loading up with injury prone, slightly above average guys. Heavy on prayers, light on players. I made that line up…
Will – keeping Soriano and Gonzo were injury gambles as well. I still like the Wagner/Saito better.
The Glaus thing has me a bit stunned. If he can put up his ’08 numbers (or, hoping against hope, his ’06 or ’05 numbers) for a full year, than sure – this is great. But why did the team spend only a fraction of the money they dumped via the Vazquez trade on our big bat? They got creative by grabbing a FA 3rd basemen that was on no one’s radar. I’m all for that, but the team’s got 5 – 10MM more to play with – there was no more sure thing out there?
JJ – where did you read that Glaus has above average defense at 1st? His entire sample size is 4 games. Did FanGraphs or some site like that really rate him on that? Source, please.
Could the Braves still afford LaRoche? It seems he’s going to have to lower his asking price due to the lack of demand. He could platoon with Glaus and step up big in the second half when he tends to shine. Again, I have no clue what I’m talking about. Also, do we know FW is done? Could he have some magic left?
Bub, I hope you’re having a blast with family during your time off. It’s back to “work” after the holidays. Ya hear?
The reason why Glaus can’t play 3rd anymore is because of his shoulder injury, the man can not throw. However he does have a gold glove caliber glove at 3rd and has for many years. Last year he was working on playing LF and 1B in the minors, I know this because I was advocated him for the bench mid season last year. When I said he has above average defense, I might have over-exaggerated. Of all the average defenders at 1st, he is above them. I suspect he’ll do fine defensively, if he can stay healthy. [Knock on wood]
However fangraphs has rated his defense with 16 UZR/150 for 38.2 innings over the past 2 years.
A new ABT podcast was on the top of my list to Santa. I didn’t tell you guys cause I didn’t want to add the pressure of making my Christmas dreams come true to your busy holiday plans. It’s a Christmas miracle!
Bub, I’m a believer! Did I say this before? If the 09 Braves had won 2 more games each month of the season, they would have easily won the Division. Slightly less than that and they could have been the Wild Card. Chipper rebounds and they send BC out in style. Can’t wait.
Happy holidays, gang. I hope that everyone’s had a terrific time with family and friends. And thanks for all of the well wishes, I’ve unplugged for a few days and am just getting to them.
Leah, it is true. There are a few shirts out there. I ordered some a year ago when we ordered up business cards. I promise that we’ll set up a way to order shirts, hats, etc. before the start of the 2010 season.
Tcc, I found a sliver of evidence for my Jurrjens opening day prediction. Ladies and Gents, I present the Braves depth chart according to MLB.com. Have no idea if it means anything. But with the other teams I checked, the pitchers were in an obviously correct order for opening week.
big screen tv for the play room along with a dvd/blue ray player. The Rev cleaned out my van…best gift ever. daughter got Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince which we are watching now thus the distracted comments. I would absolutely by a t-shirt and what about coffee mugs? Am I getting too greedy?
Ahhhhhhhh. JJ! That kinda crazy talk is unacceptable! I bet Curt talks of his dislike of all the goings on. I bet he sees all that’s risky and little profit. Will someone scrape me off the floor after this week’s podcast?
I dunno. Show #100 should be an hour long, like the sit com specials of old. And there should be at least five flashback scenes, cued up by that flashback chime noise. I vote for a couple of ballpark Frank Flashbacks.
I’ll do up the Glavine interview with laugh tracks for y’all.
Oh, btw, did you guys know Schafer actually took the HGH? I found out 2 weeks ago when a substitute teacher and I were discussing baseball. Turns out he played in Florida State, and was friends with guys like Buster Posey and Schafer. So I asked him if he took HGH and he said he did, and was bragging about how ripped he was going to be.
“The Braves probably have at least $7 million left in their budget, maybe closer to $9 million (they won’t say exactly) and are still considering adding another hitter, possibly a left fielder (Xavier Nady?) who can also play first base. Or maybe a second baseman (slugger Dan Uggla?), if they decide Martin Prado could still be in the lineup regularly at a mix of positions. The Braves could use Cabrera or another outfielder in a trade for Uggla or another slugger.”
Hello all. It’s coming. The post show conversation plus some computer issues have slowed me down. It’ll be about 30 minutes or so from now.
JJ – no on Vitters. I get that we need a 3B in waiting, but I prefer *ss-kicking pitching prospects to their position player counter parts. I think you either get more for them in trades or they are of more value to you if you keep them.
No Bub…can’t stay up til midnight 30. As soon as JJ asked about dogs I was out. I knew you would answer and it would make me sad. Love Jay-Hey. I’m just realizing you won’t read this cause there’s a NEW SHOW!