Arthroscopy (also called arthroscopic surgery) is a minimally invasive surgical procedure in which an examination and sometimes treatment of damage of the interior of a joint is performed using an arthroscope, a type of endoscope that is inserted into the joint through a small incision. Arthroscopic procedures can be performed either to evaluate or to treat many orthopaedic conditions including torn floating cartilage, torn surface cartilage, ACL reconstruction, and trimming damaged cartilage.
If two of Glaus, Wagner, Chipper, and Saito get hurt, we can still compete. I don’t understand the negativity. (Not with the Phillies, maybe, but good Heavens, the Phillies are one of the best NL teams in fifteen years. They have a perfect storm of talent and momentum.)
We are not old and broken down.
McLouth, Escobar, Jurrjens, Hanson, McCann, Moylan, Prado, Heyward, Infante. That’s the definition of a young core.
Thanks, Steve, for fighting hard for a semblance of positivity in the podcast.
Okay, now that I’ve calmed down, I will admit that if they don’t have a back up 1B plan that’s better than Prado-to-first, Infante-to-second, that is irresponsible.
But there is ZERO chance of that happening. They won’t enter the season in a spot like that. If they do, I’ll be glad to admit my confidence in the F.O. is misplaced. But until then, I can’t see how they could be doing much better given the limits on their choices.
And honestly, I don’t mind the limits on their choices. It’s enough money to build a good club, and the money spent is roughly in line with the butts in the stands. Can’t ask for much more than that besides hard-playing ballplayers. Which I think we’ll have this year.
Don’t worry. I’ll be cynical by Wednesday, and cursing all the blind homers. It’s what I do.
Jone’s career BB – career HR – AB on turf from 2007 to 2009 = 911
Jone’s career OPS (as a whole number) – his age + the number of hits he got on October 4, 2009 = 911
(Career AB x triples in 2007) x career HRs – Jone’s 2009 salary (w/out bonus) x Career IsoP + SLG vs. PIT in 2009 + 2004 postseason AVG / 2002 SB – (Career SO x 2001 postseason RBIs) – (2001 hits + 2001 triples) = 911
Idk what more shocking, the numbers or the fact that I just wasted that many moments of my life!
Wow…do I dare listen? I think I need to warn the Rev and purchase a panic room before hand. Bub, JJ , how do you function that late/ early in the morning? Gotta head to kickboxing and then I’ll listen while I clean my house. It will help with the scrubbing.
I knew I would make some people mad, but I’m mad. I want more. We should all want more. Bub, the argument about the money being spent tying into the numbers of butts in the seats is one I reject in every facet of my being. You put the team on the field that drives people to the park, you don’t punish those who show up by not putting out a product worth their time. I’m not saying that there are not a ton of young, exciting, rootable players on the Braves. There are. And we should all go to as many games as we can to support them. But if Liberty Media is going to operate the Braves as some intangible entity that is part of their empire, screw them. Sell to someone who has passion for the game and for the fans. I don’t want the Yankees, but I want the Braves of the 90s. Commit to them completely, or get out of the baseball business.
I have paused in my cleaning of potties to say, ugh. Bub, please find a picture of someone stabbing themselves in the eye for me.
First, Steve, huge props to your wife for the great gift idea. Second, Curt, I wish you weren’t so logical in your negative opinions. You make a lot of sense and you have proven yourself to be right on many many fronts. However, it seems you had to apologize many times over to Javy and his adorable offspring for how terribly you misjudged his abilities. Also, do we have no regard for the team’s doctors who perform these physicals? Aren’t they going to be looking at the very body parts that cause such concern? I can see that it’s very risky and I was disappointed as well but I can’t help but feel Cabrera is more than just a warm body at first.
AND… who was awarded ABT’s MVPerson by all three hosts at the end of last season? Franky Wren. Every move he’s made has been a surprise and I think he’s got more up his sleeve (we are tight so I should know).
Finally, please please please don’t make us wait til April for the next show. I’d pay good money to hear the 20 minute conversation after the show. Next time just record that and slap it on the website.
Great show. I like how you guys don’t just jump on each other’s bandwagon. You aren’t afraid to disagree and it gives us a nice rounded perspective. btw…who’s voice is at the very beginning and the very end of the show? Just curious. He sounds nice…and chipper.
Curt – not to pick nits, and I know you were talking about the front office and not the players, but you did use the phrase “mailing it in” about 37 times during the show.
I realize that it was a very negative show and Bub, you’re right, they did a helluva job on the bullpen (I’m 100% behind all of those moves), but this last week has been difficult as a fan. The show ended and I was unsatisfied that I’d articulated what I wanted, so here’s another try. I get the Vazquez trade, and I think it’s fine. But with all of our expectations and all of the public proclamations from the front office that job #1 this off-season was to improve the offense, this is all very underwhelming and borderline reckless/irresponsible. I hope, hope, hope that there is one more piece in the works. And I’ve become obsessed with Uggla in the past 36 hours although our defense at the outfield (Prado/Diaz)and infield corners (Chipper/Glaus) could be a real travesty. I don’t have the answers and I realize that Bay or Holliday was never going to happen. But the power hitter with the massive surgery (in ’04, that is) who’s an undeniable injury risk leaves me incredibly empty.
“What happened to the days of Fred McGriff when fans would fill he house for big time games…..
Put it this way, Curt: if we field a championship team, and the fans still do not come out in good enough force to keep the payroll in the top 5, will you be satisfied that the front office tried their best, and it’ll be okay for them to adjust down to the attendance?
p.s. Not “mad,” Curt. I’m just in very passionate disagreement with your assessment. I wish they’d gotten a reliable 30 homer bat, too. But who was it that we passed on that we should have taken?
Bay or Holliday? Listen, if Philly can’t shell out 9 measley million dollars to keep Lee and field the hands-down best team in baseball not bought with Monopoly money, that should tell you that these dollars matter, even to teams with an obvious committment to their fans, such as the Phillies.
So, if not Bay or Holliday, who? Where’s the automatic 30? Uggla? Between the injury risk of Glaus and the upset-pitcher risk of Uggla, you’ve at least got to say that’s a coin flip. Besides, they could still add Uggla if Nady/DeRo falls through. IF they want to risk his fielding.
I wanted the Braves to eat half of Lowe’s salary, and field this same basic team they’re fielding, but with Vazquez. But other than that, I can’t complain. They’re aggressive, creative, and trying to get something done in a limited market, while protecting (even improving) the future. But, even if I hated the offseason completely, I couldn’t conclude that Wren is some slickster with no real desire to field a winning team.
We could pull about this same attendance with Moylan and Capps pitching the 8th and 9th. Or we could have insisted on the best major league ready package for Vazquez, and put more on the 2010 field without considering the real value of the return. 99% of the fans don’t give three craps about snagging a 19-year-old hotshot from the Yankees for 2013. You know who cares about that guy? Our GM, who wants to build a winning organization patiently, carefully, thoughtfully.
p.s. Bay’s and Holliday’s contracts will both be regretted by their teams. Especially if it’s not the Mets, Yanks, or Sox. They’re not that freaking great. They’re just the best on the market, so everybody’s lost their damn minds.
I just remembered you said he was mailing in 2010 with an eye to the next year. So, that makes nonsense of me saying Wren’s plans for our future go against your theory.
I’m finished. I just really, really, really think Atlanta’s putting a better team on the field than many of my fellow bloggers. These guys aren’t slouches, man. These are good ballplayers.
If we get Nady, we’ll be better than the Giants, Cubs, Brewers, Rockies, Marlins and Mets. We’ll get to the playoffs. And if we don’t get Nady, money in the pocket is no bad thing when midseason comes around and you’re sitting on minor leaguers you can spare in a swap.
You guys know N8 from the DOB blog, right? Anyway, he posted this little bit ago, and I thought it was pretty interesting. Sorry for the length, I don’t know how to link straight to that entry. Even if you don’t come to the same conclusion, there’s some interesting information in there.
In the end, winning games is about run differential. Some teams score more runs. Some teams are better at run prevention.
Last year, the Braves were one of the best at run prevention, and their defense was mediocre at best. Which goes to state how great their pitching was.
Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs, the Braves (+94) had a better run differential than both St. Louis (+90) and Colorado (+89). Which tells me, that we’re close. We’re real close.
Now. How does one gain such a postive RD? Simple math states that you score more than your opponent. The Braves had one of the best rotations and from the mid point on, bullpens in baseball.
In the first 81 games, the Braves went 43-45. They scored 373 and allowed 379 runs (-6). In the second half (81 games), they went 43-31 while scoring 362 runs and allowing 262 (+100).
So, let me get this straight, just so we’re clear. After adding McLouth, moving Prado to a starting role and trading for LaRoche, the “2nd half” Braves scored a whopping 11 runs mor than the group that played the first 81 games?
Seems to me, it was the pitching (more likely Tommy Hanson’s arrival – than LaRoche’s), that sparked the run. Along with Moylan, Gonzo and Soriano being pretty reliable out in the pen.
My point is, that even though we lost Vazquez, we’re gaining two more months of Hanson’s services, and I’d be willing to bet that Hudson’s ERA is around 3.50 – 3.75 (meaning that Hudson will only minus around 30 runs to the run differential). Playing better defense (Melky if he stays provides that), gaining some steady bats (a Chipper rebound and Prado everyday – along with a possible boost from Heyward) will make up that 30 runs over a 162 games season.
There isn’t any reason to belive that the Braves as currently constructed, without Wren making another move, can’t finish in the same +100 or so vicinity in run differential. They just might have to go about reaching that total in a different manner in 2010.
If there is less dropoff from Vazquez to Hudson than I noted, Lowe rebounds, Chipper rebounds and Glaus gives us anything (not to mention I seriously doubt Wren is done), there is a chance that we INCREASE the run differential. Thus winning more games.
Enough to catch the Phillies? Unlikely.
Enough to keep pace with the Brewers, Giants, Rockies and Marlins in the wildcard race? Yeah. I’ll put money on that.
Curt, you didn’t have to tell us that you posted as Anonymous..we had that one figured out. Now, please, please, please don’t take this in a bad way, but on the podcast when you said “no room to pick up a fricking 1st baseman to play for you” I swear I had an image in my brain of Dr Evil. It just sort of sounded like his voice. Probably just poor audio quality. Seriously, I laughed out loud and played it back several times. You made my day!
ps: Steve, thanks for trying to keep everything positive and could you pass the xanax?
Man I can’t believe we just traded away our best hitter on the team, right after he has his career year, for a center fielder and pitching prospect. Edgar, good luck buddy, I know you’ll have another year just like this…
Leah and JJ, Anne is right. My buddy Scott is the voice of the intro and the outro. We’ve been friends since I moved to Atlanta in ’92. He did a bunch of shows early on (more so during the House of Braves Talk days, prior to the name change). He’s also a very, very good actor. Here’s a clip of Scott from the Swamp Thing TV show from the early ’90’s. He’s the one doing most of the talking in the opening scene (who cuts his finger off and has an electrode on his head – trust me, just watch the first couple of minutes):
Bub- I love that entry from N8. He’s one of the best guys on DOB’s blog.
Tcc: it’s a great question. One we should have posed on the show, frankly. All things be equal, if we could have Vazquez or Hudson for the next three years, I go with Vazquez. Hands down. I know that Huddy’s career numbers are far superior and last year may have been an anomaly for VAzquez, but he was so damn dominant and reliable, I go with that and take Vazquez. But, of course, there’d be no 3 years of Vazquez for 27mil. I think that the Hudson extension was a very wise one.
Awe Bub…I do love it when you miss me. We were at a friends house for dinner and a rousing game of Guesstures. It was awesome. So I’m just now catching up on all the chatter, which took a while due to your small novel. I’m with you 100%. I have to believe that next year the team will be better. Maybe I’m naive or just not as smart as Curt but I feel better about it. I wasn’t being sarcastic in my question above. Do we trust the team docs? Shouldn’t they be able to tell at least to some degree if Glaus is good to go?
Never heard of “Up in the Air” and I like ketchup based. This NC style is for the birds…mustard or vinegar based.
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I read all these posts first and so maybe my expectations were really low, but I don’t think this pod cast was overly negative – it is consistent with the mixed message the trades send. Everything Curt said needs to be said, with the appropriate passion/frustration. Steve was a good foil to bring up the other sides of the arguments and delivers with a more measured, calmer tone. And Hammy summed it up – we have to wait and see. Which adds to the frustration, but could provide a positive surprise. Nice job again, guys. Happy New Year.
Juan Abreu = very low risk, Medium reward. And he’s a prospect
Mitch Jones, Brent Clevlen, Joe Thurston = Very low risk – Medium reward
*Assuming the Braves don’t add another bat. If Glaus goes down at any point before the trade deadline for anything more serious than a 15 day disabled list trip, it’s naive to think that Wren wouldn’t find a suitable option for 1B ala Nate McLouth. Someone like Connor Jackson to hold down the fort, whilst keeping Prado at 2B and Omar as a versatile bench piece, would be realistic.
Here is a very good link showing 2010 NL East WAR:
If the Braves can add someone like Nady, they should add about 2 wins above a replacement player, 4 if were very lucky. That would bring the Braves to about 91 – 92 wins. Boy that felt good to say. 91 to 92 wins. Ahh.
Will, I think you are right that Curt made some valid, logical points. You HAVE to admit he could NOT have been more negative. I like Curt’s general glass mostly empty perspective because it keeps me grounded. I’m usually way too optimistic and come crashing down when reality hits. I wanted a big bat (ahem) and am disappointed but I’m believing that everything that could go wrong won’t. Something will, it always does. But not everything (I love you baseball gods).
I’ll just say this, there is just as strong a psychological feeding going on in cynicism as there is in homerism. The cynic’s battle cry is “I’m just being realistic, calling a spade a spade.” But you can’t believe everybody who calls something a spade is the guy with the balanced view.
Protecting your hopes from getting too high doesn’t work worth a damn anyway. If it did, a hardboiled egg like Curt wouldn’t be disgusted with the offseason moves because he’d have never believed Wren in the first place.
As for chance-taking, if you want a championship now AND a future in the farm AND you’ve got 90 million to spend, you’re gotta roll the dice.
#69 sounded personal, Curt. I hope the tone isn’t coming off sh*ttier than I mean. Come to think of it, a lot of these comments of mine are like that. Sorry if I’ve gone over the line. Last think I want is to act like some on the DOB.
Jurrens4NLCY – I was thinking more about the Glaus and Melky trades. Glaus – seems he has quite a lot of risk – injury, never really played the position as Curt points out- so you have a decent potential for that trade to be nearly worthless – I would say as high as say 25-30%. He has a moderate chance of being a big offensive threat, sort of a 10% chance hes a huge bat, over 35 homers, maybe 10-15% chance hes a very solid bat, 26-28 homers, but odds seem even at 50% that he hits 22 homers and .260. Not bad. but not great. All that exciting averageness with a 25% injury risk where the trade totally flames out. Optimists – tend to focus only on that 10-20% huge bat/very solid bat probability, and forget about the rest of the 80%. Pessimists may look at only the negatives. Realists look at all of it as a package of risk/reward, and then ask, at what price? I will be as happy as anybody when my armchair option pricing model is wrong and we get a huge year from Glaus. But my gut says there is a lack of significant upside to compensate me for the higher probability he is just a little better than average. So bit too much risk for not enough upside. That is what I meant for Glaus. Granted, all of this can be argued to be in his low price. But why are we paying for all this low price uncertainty, and paying super high prices for guys like Lowe (and possibly KK too…). Glaus was not an emphatic move, to say the least. We wanted emphatic. For the Gipper!
As for Melky, he hasnt (yet, he says optimistically) demonstrated much power, so its more a risk that your salary dump/get rid of a great player for an slightly above average player, wait and see tactic never pays off. Which may seem conservative, but actually is a fairly high risk way of playing things in my view. Not in the driver’s seat, too conservative, too — not emphatic. If that is proper English…
I just visited the depth charts of the Cubs, Brewers, Giants, and Rockies. You want to see some question marks, sheesh, try that exercise.
Do you guys know how few NL teams look as solid as the Bravos right now? I know the offseason is still going, but go and take a peek at some of these teams’ starting eight, rotations, and bullpens.
It’s troubling that the Marlins, Mets (they’ll land something big soon) and even the Nats are going to make it tough to net the wins we need for the Wild Card, but even so, our team is in solid shape when you step outside the shadow of the Phillies. Stud ballplayers just aren’t hanging out on everybody’s rosters.
Because the Mets signed Bay?
Because we didn’t sign Bay?
I don’t care honestly, Minaya loves to give out expensive vesting options, and I love watching him do it. I give Bay a few months before he starts making them regret that contract. Knowing NY, if he doesn’t go 4 – 4 with 4 HRs in his first game, they’ll tear his head off.
Sorry to have missed so much. Family trip and sick 2 year old, and all.
Bub, I take none of this personally. This whole exercise for Steve, Ham and myself is to generate talk and response, feedback. We all want the same thing – for the Braves to win, and win a championship. There is no doubt in that. We just express it differently. I am more idealistic in that I think they can and should have done more with this off season. There is still plenty of time for them to add pieces and I look forward to Frank filling out this roster. The prospects of Bay and Zambrano playing for the Mets gives me pause, but they have more resources than we do. I accept all that, begrudgingly.
Liberty Media has lots of money and can afford to spend whatever they want. You talk about them dropping payroll when attendance dropped. Attendance did not drop until the 2000 season, long after the days of championships were in the picture. The 1999 team far exceeded expectations by making the WS, and showed it in the sweep. The last championship caliber team was the 98 team. The Braves also still are among the top-5 teams in merchandise behind only the likes of the Yanks, Sox, Cubs, and Dodgers. Another revenue stream.
I don’t know where I’m going with all that, other than to say that working in PR, you have to give people reasons to show up, not the other way around. So it would behoove ownership to make a splash and show people that they are committed to making a championship run, not a WC run. The Glaus thing was met with a huge round of indifference. Not what you want.
I’m hoping that this pitching is as sound as it was last year. That Lowe and Chipper have huge bounce back seasons. That Melky plays solid defense and provides a spark plug in the 7 or 8 hole. That Glaus makes that transition to 1st, hits .280 and 30 homers. And that the end of the bullpen with Moylan is in shutdown mode all season.
DOB has some great stuff on the young arms, including the kid they got from the Yankees, and says that by 2012 we could have an overpowering rotation with JJ and Hanson. I love that stuff.
But I honestly believe the Braves are hoping to compete this year knowing they have two studs in the wings, and are hoping to build around them in a youthful, exciting, and cheaper fashion.
I will be there all season rooting the on and hoping that all the pieces fall perfectly in place.
Keep all the comments coming. This has been great stuff.
We obviously need to accept that Lowe will be in the rotation and try to support him. He seems a bit of a head case, no? Affair, divorce, remarriage, champion, then overpriced petulant albatross underperformer whining about his feelings being hurt…which pisses everybody off…. how can we as fans help him get his head in a better place? Its no surprise Wren couldn’t move him…but we gotta rehab him. It sucks because hes about as old as Glavine when Glavine started his decline.
“I’m hoping that this pitching is as sound as it was last year. That Lowe and Chipper have huge bounce back seasons. That Melky plays solid defense and provides a spark plug in the 7 or 8 hole. That Glaus makes that transition to 1st, hits .280 and 30 homers. And that the end of the bullpen with Moylan is in shutdown mode all season.”
Curt…was that you?? Are you feeling ok?? Just kidding of course. We kid you about your cynicism, but as you say: We all want the Braves to bring home the prize.
Lowe just gets better and better. Thanks Will for the enlightenment. What was he saying about mechanics a few weeks ago? It seems the triad thought it was a viable argument. I’ll forgive his personal disgressions if he can throw that leather sphere past Jason Bay.
I am sick with wanting and it’s evil and it’s daunting
How I let everything I cherish lay to waste
I am lost in greed, this time it’s definitely me
I point fingers but there’s no one there to blame
Temporary is my time
Ain’t nothin on this world that’s mine
Except the will I found to carry on
Free is not your right to choose
It’s answering what’s asked of you
To give the love you find until it’s gone
You know, I read that revenue stuff last year. I was completely surprised that the Braves were still so popular nationally. We’ll see how long they can sustain that with the Superstation cutting all their games and their post-season drought. But their unis are still classic, save the beer league softball Sunday red jerseys.
The majority of Braves sales aren’t from actual Braves’ fans. Wearing the Atlanta “A” is a fashion statement for ghetto people and rappers. All over my school people wear the “A” hats. I, unknowingly thinking they’re Braves’ fans, ask them what they think the Braves should do in the offseason, and they give me the stupidest look. I just roll my eyes and shrug it off. I ran into a guy who has a tattoo of the Braves’ “A” on his wrist, it’s because his name was Allen…
That’s a good article. I have to admit it’s pretty convincing, even if it backs my favorite Podcast Villain.
I would only add that teams in “the year before their supposed to be really good” often go ahead and become really good. How many times have you heard it said, “… and this wasn’t even supposed to be their year. Next year was when everybody said it was on track to come together.”
Go Braves. 2010 or 2011. Hell, we’ve already waited this long.
I actually like the Woodford Reserve League MLB Sunday Red unis. For a while it seems like that spot fell to Smoltz when he still had his good stuff. Sure, it’s a marketing thing but I have good memories of having the tv on in the garage/basement and the earbuds in, listening to the radio broadcast while I would do yard work. When something big happened I would run back inside to see the replay.
Bub, not sure about your point there. Red, yes but they don’t have that home grown look which we love, right? One of the most important things my dad passed down to me was the love of a tomato sandwitch with mayo and a thin slice of vidalia onion. Man! I can’t wait for that!
No, no, no to TP as a manager. The Francoeur thing was enough to show that. He’s too timid, passive aggressive. He got his feelings hurt with Frenchy about the Texas guy and just held it in and let it fester. And then made a second mistake by admitting that to the press. Too personal. Too icky.
We need a guy who is either very relaxed or else very confident (both would be nice). TP is neither.
I don’t think he’ll get destroyed. He’s never gotten destroyed, even in NY when he was relied as a higher up in the rotation.
I think he’ll be plenty servicable. I just don’t think he does much for them in terms of a championship. I don’t think he’ll be great in the post season. But he might surprise us. He’s surrounded by enough talent to calm him down, maybe.
If the Yankees are so good they are on cruise control, I think Javy will be okay. And unfortunately they’ll probably be that good. It’s a disgusting collection of hired guns.
But I can’t see him excelling in the playoffs. Javy, that is. There is no cruise control in a 5-7 game set. The old demons will return. I hate it for him, but I love it for his team.
Have I mentioned that Bub makes me laugh? ABT is one of my favorite things about 2009. Hey BD, guess where I am going tonight. I’ll give you a hint… “I wanna have friends that I can trust. Who love me for the man I’ve become not the man that I was.”
Happy New Year, everyone. Sitting here stuck on a work call. Not exactly what I wanted to do at 1:51am on 1/1/10. Sigh.
I too dislike the Sunday red unis. Bottom line, it simply doesn’t look like a color that exists in baseball to me.
And, I’m not too worried about the Bay signing either. The whole large ballpark coupled with the snakebitten nature of the Mets franchise (not to mention that they still have no pitching) – I’m not too worked up about this.
Wiley – I’m with you. And I’ve got to say, I’m believing it hook, line and sinker. As big a sucker as I am for the “coming into Spring Training in the best shape of his life,” stories, I’m even MORE susceptible to the “coming back stronger to prove everyone wrong about last year,” scenario. Which is one reason I believe that Lowe will win 26 games this coming season.
Leah – I know you asked Curt, but I’ll chime in, too. I believe it much, much more with Chipper. My false sense of knowing Chipper the human being in some way because I’ve watched him on TV for so many years leads me to believe that he will not allow another year like the last. His sheer desire and determination will lead to a much better season. And, to a lesser degree, I believe that Lowe will be pitching with a big chip on his shoulder this coming year and will bounce back significantly. Which may lead to the same W/L total, but much better stats behind the wins and losses.
Now that football is over what will you guys do for entertainment until the baseball starts. I’m going CRAZY! Cannot wait to see the boys take the field. I need Lowe to do something to redeem himself. Not sure what I require but definitely something that invokes shame. Do you think he feels any shame for his general sucktitude?
Speaking of Javy…I have a friend who works with a guy who bought Javy Lopez’s hog and now they ride together. Cool huh.
I went to the hawks game tonight. Nate Robinson is ridiculous. As for me though Tech Baseball starts soon and I am a season ticket holder. If your desperate for baseball, I would stop by for a game. It is a great way to see future stars up close and personal. I like the pros a bit better, but these kids sure do love this game. Just like me, Im a fan of the game, not the mlb.
I’m going crazy with withdrawl! I might have to go watch an old game or something. It’s like when I was a kid on a long trip and half way through you start banging your head against the window out of sheer boredom.
I agree, Bub. Remember when KJ first came up and looked so good. He was a great power prospect. Then the injury and he was moved around position wise. I wish him well. Maybe the West will be good for him.
Anybody know any good baseball literature? I am looking for a good read and currently I am leaning towards The Game, Robert Benson’s book about the appreciation and his “love affair” with the game.
As for the bat. I hope its damon. Is that too much to ask? Too much to Gamble? Too expensive? I mean there has to be something wrong with it, if it hasn’t been mentioned yet. Show me the err of my ways guys.
Wiley, I haven’t read that book yet but maybe it will help with my current state of “AAHHHHHHHHH, I NEED BASEBALL”. “Beyond Belief” by Josh Hamilton is a good read. A lot of it is direct quotes from Hamilton (the player as apposed to ‘his brilliancy’ the host of this podcast) so it’s, shall I say, an easy, quick read. “The Blind Side” by Michael Lewis is not about baseball but is absolutely spectacular. It also helped me understand football which makes the Rev very happy :)! If all else fails do what I do and pick up your trusty copy of Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen. Elizabeth, Jane, Mr. Darcy and the lot are always great company.
Tcc…I figured that was some lyric from some old guy written decades ago but I appreciate your clearing it up for me.
I may not have made it to that line. I’m glad to hear she said it, though. What a ding-a-ling Collins, is, huh? I was in the middle of that conversation when I had to leave for more family stuff.
So far, she’s just working that “Lady So-and-So (De Bourgh?) wouldn’t approve of me anyway” angle, and he’s all like “I know every girl refuses at first” and she’s all like, “no, I’m being serious” … and then I had to close the book. I’m looking forward to getting back to it cuz before that proposal, I was getting reeeeeealllly impatient for something to happen besides conversations about conversations. (I like slow books, but … )
It’s my first try at an Austen novel. I like all the movies, though. Especially Emma Thompson’s S & S, and Paltrow’s Emma. (Knightly’s P & P is my least favorite of the movie versions, but I like it okay. But that’s why I picked that one as the novel to try.)
You know, now that I think of it the line I quoted is her response to another proposal. Collins is almost as ridiculous as Mrs. Bennett. The A&E version of P & P is the best…7 hours of scandal and vexation. Their version of Emma with Kate Beckensale is way better than Paltrow. It always bugs me when the hero is shorter than the heroin. Have you seen Mansfield Park? It’s my favorite but you have to remember back in the day it was quite common for 1st cousins to marry. Stick with Jane. The story may get slow at times but her wit will carry you through. The movie Becoming Jane is really good also if you haven’t seen it. It’s a tear jerker but explains a lot of her sad story lines.
Sorry, but I can’t go with the Beckensale Emma over Paltrow. Even if Brunettes do make me crazy. The lead dude in Paltrow’s version is one of my favorite underknown actors. And Toni Colette is my future bride.
I believe you about the megalong P & P, though. I’ve seen some of it.
I couldn’t get too interested in “Becoming Jane” but maybe I’ll look again.
As for sticking with Jane, I will. Her prose has a calming effect, and reading her makes me pay attention to my own motives, etc.
About to go back to the apartment and school business starts tomorrow, classes on Wednesday, never been so ready to go back. A month is too long.
Who does Toni Colette play? Let me be the first to wish you joy. Mr. Knightly’s funniest lines in Paltrow’s Emma aren’t directly from the book. I feel that is a good movie but, for me, strays a bit too far from the book. Man, now I want to go read them all again. Gotta love the classics.
JJ? Timestamps? What am I missing. I’m a little slow sometimes.
I just realized I missed some comments. I like unfiltered Bub and your right…tomorrow is my birthday. See, no filter. Now you can all search the web and find my shoe size, favorite ice cream and first child’s middle name.
This is just my opinion.We need a better leadoff hitter and johnny damon fits the bill i know he is not great defensively but think his exp. at the top of the order could school teamates on team for the future
Glaus looks good in those clips. It seems he’s tall enough that if he just falls the right way he should shag at least some balls at first. I remember watching Wags pitch in that game against ATL. I thought, “now there’s a closer.”
Leah, I’m in the mood to talk a little more about Pride & Prejudice, but I can’t keep hijacking the comments section. (Not with this subject, anyway. I’m sure I’ll hijack it with something else later.)
Now, this comment and answer from the DOB blog is a little discouraging.
“But here’s the thing. Has anybody considered the fact that perhaps Wren and Vazquez’s agent started negotiating on a long-term contract which Wren to realize that they weren’t very close in terms of the money?” N8
“Nope, didn’t happen. I texted with Javy several times in weeks leading up to trade, including once a few days before the deal. He had heard nothing from Braves, either about an extension or being traded. His agent would not begin negotiations with the Braves without telling Javy, who had hoped Braves would approach him about an extension (he told me that late in season and again early in offseason).”
I’m really, really close to tentatively changing my mind about Frank Wren.
Here you have a veteran pitcher who Bobby reportedly always loved and coveted, and who comes here and outpitches expectations by miles, is comfortable, and wants to talk extension, and you send him to New York without so much as a phone call?
I mean, I don’t expect that buying into a Javy extension based on his career year would have been smart, but to not even see what the starting $$ figures are? To not even gauge what his comfort in Atlanta is worth to him? A Javy/ Hudson veteran anchor, if affordable+ Hanson, Jurrjens & company??, … sheesh, what a pitching staff.
I’m this close. If he makes another boneheaded move, I’m dropping him to about a C+ GM (not that anyone cares how I grade a GM). The Renteria trade is starting to fade in the rearview.
Just got off the phone with D. Lowe, talked quite a bit. He’s got no hard feelings, has talked to Wren, etc. Said his frustration was just about possibly going to a city he had no desire to go to with three years left on his contract and having to leave Atlanta, where he thought he’d be for four years. But when I asked him if it was all water under the bridge now, he said, “There never really was water on the bridge to begin with.”
He sounds perfectly fine, same as always, funny and sarcastic. Said he thought I might be the one traded. I said I’m getting old and my salary and declining performance last year prevented any such deal — much like with him. He replied with a “f*** you” and laughed.
I guess maybe Lowe’s just a straight forward kinda guy with no filter. I actually respect that. I still think FW has something spectacular up his sleeve. Although I hate to think Javy wasn’t even approached and I hope he isn’t bummed to be in NY. Speaking of “the evil empire”, I thought they were going to keep Damon. You know, dig around and collect the proverbial pocket change for his salary.
Bub, can’t speak for those in the Frozen North, but depending on expected low temps, somewhere between a drip-drip and a skinny stream should do it if you’re below the MDL.
Yes, very good news about the “cursed interleague” business. Let the pHillies choke on the yAnksOx! Don’t know about ABT’s opinion of interleague play, maybe it was covered in a PC before I started listening. White Sox vs Cubbies? Interesting. mEts vs yAnks? Subway S**t, sure, but very appealing to the nEtworks. Personally I don’t like it. New and Different is almost never better, just more money in somebody’s pocket.
Bub, also depends on if you have any exposed pipes. When I lived in Charleston, SC there were many older houses built before indoor plumbing. Pipes were literally added outside the house. Fine for most winters in the Sunny South but a disaster when Ole Man Winter crept in. You live where?
Princess Leah, Tcc’s real name is Reginald Badillion Traherne. I think.
Okay, one vote for a drip and one for a tweener. Thanks kindly. I’ll play it safe and go with the middle. Ridiculous to be this cold in Alabama. I swore when I was in Montana I’d never curse another Alabama cold snap again. But I curse it all to heck.
Welcome Nancy and MattChu (and Nancy providing a picture!, no less).
To follow up on MattChu’s question, what do you all think about the Damon possibility that DOB is floating. Not the likelihood, but how satisfied would you be if Damon was the final piece? As compared to, say, Uggla or Dye?
Cannot stop laughing at Bubdylan. Steve, as I was just telling the guys, I’m not against Damon. I can’t get mental pics of Uggla looking ugly on botched defensive plays that I could make. How old is Dye? He seems old not that Damon is young.
Steve, you obviously didn’t read ALL the comments on the board or you would have noticed that it is a very special day. All I want is an ABT t-shirt. Please and thank you (I think my pseudonym is getting to my head).
Steve, wouldn’t Damon be a one year deal? Why would they do this now instead of earlier? Jeez, I still think that Chipper and Rochey would have worked out something at the ranch! Shoot Bambi and sign a contract! Too harsh, I guess.
Leah, I’m so sorry, you’ll have to excuse me. Let me remedy this. Happy birthday, Sir Isaac Newton!
Bub – Dye is the only one (of he, Damon and Uggla) with 1B experience. But if the additional offensive piece comes from a non first basemen, I have to believe that they’ll also sign some kind of insurance like a Nomar or Kevin Millar (assuming the money’s right) or really gamble on little injury time for Glaus and fill in with Prado as needed. I’m hoping for, at least, a veteran on the bench who can play some 1st.
Thanks guys. Tcc…your killing me. I’m not smart enough for your puzzle. Steve, I would love an ABT party before the playoffs, if silly chicks are allowed. I’m a bit limited due to distance but if I could make it I surely would.
Speaking of “all are welcome…” Good old Corky Miller is a free agent! Imagine THIS scenario and shudder with more than just the cold: David Ross goes to play first and Corky is our back-up catcher again. I just got chills. (they’re multiplying) (in a bad way)
I know he’s not much on the field but I love Corky Miller. I know…I know. He was so kind to my adorable son before a game last year and signed his baseball. Right before the game Eddie Perez signed it also and threw it back to us. My kid dropped the ball and some other kid picked it up and ran off. One of us cried and the other almost cried. I sent the pic of my son and Corky to him with a self addressed stamped envelope (cause that’s the kind of mom I am) and goody ole Corky signed it and sent it back. I think I’ve already told this story before so sorry for the repeat. I would have sent a request to Eddie P also but I didn’t have a pic to back up my sad story. Oh well.
Steve, do you want dates? The Rev has meetings in Atlanta June 1,2,3 (Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday) so I could go (and likely will with or without my friends) to any of those games.
Love it. Let’s make it so for that Phillies series at the start of June. I’m totally in.
So, y’all been reading DOB’s blog? Frank says no money left, no big moves coming – this is the team. And it sounds like they are really, really hoping/planning that Heyward starts in the OF on Opening Day.
It could all work out, but the lynchpin is really Glaus. If he gets hurt for a significant amount of time we’re in a lot of trouble.
Thank goodness Steve. I tried to comment a few times about an hour ago and couldn’t. I was afraid we killed the message board. I’m so excited about watching the Braves spank the Phillies in June at the TED! But I’m bummed Frank is done. I was hoping for a bit of magic out of his hat. I’m saying 100 Hail Marys every day for Glaus until opening day!
Steve, yeah, I’ve been checking it out today. Not encouraging. It’ll be a decent team that’s fun to root for, but I can’t help feeling disappointed to come this close and not pull the trigger on a team that could catch the Phillies.
No back up for Glaus … that’s just silly. I mean, I never expected Holliday or Bay, but to just pull out without Nady, Uggla, Cameron, Swisher, or any of the nice bats that we were thinking about … it’s pretty deflating.
from Mark Polishuk at MLBTR (on CBS’s report that we’ve signed Eric Hinske):
He provides decent pop both sides of the plate (.786 career OPS vs. lefties, .778 OPS vs. righties) and can play first, third and both corner outfield positions. Also, as Miller’s story noted, Hinske is “something of a good-luck charm” having played in the last three World Series. So, in the words of Bill Murray, he’s got that goin’ for him.
Princess Leah, DOB indicated earlier today that Wren is not saving up for a midseason trade. Wren says the figures circulating in the press are not accurate. He says there’s no payroll cut, it’s just that moneys are being left out of the figuring.
Basically, the 90-92 million from last year is the same “soft ceiling,” it’s just that we’ve underestimated the planned incentive costs for Glaus and others, and McLouth’s option buy-out, and maybe a few other nickels (thousands) and dimes (millions).
So, no, not much hope for a midseason splash. According to DOB, who says he got it straight from the man.
Okay, Curt. Just for that, I’m about to become the most unabashed Braves Homer the world has ever seen. It’s on. No more waffling. The Braves can do no wrong, and are going to with the NL East and the World Series.
I’d like to point something out I’ve been meaning to say:
Not so much here (but this is the only place I post), but lots of places I see fans bemoaning Melky as just another Francoeur. Well, I say they’re right, but in a good way.
Melky is what Francoeur is to the Mets, not what he was to Atlanta. Both players come with limited expectations, limited pressure, and most imporantly, in limited roles. Atlanta counted on Frenchy for major production. Mets don’t. Neither will we count on Melky for it. For what we need from him, I’ll be glad to take “another Francoeur.”
A Melky/Frenchy used in the right way is no bad thing.
Alright, I must now confess that my unwillingness to consider Prado as legit is straight stupid. I just got back from Baseballreference.com. I had no idea. I must have just missed a lot of games where he performed well.
Yeah, Steve, new podcast! A Hinske Podcast. You know what would be funny, is if you did kind of a mocumentary podcast. Pick somebody like… Chavez or Thurston and straightface your way through an entire podcast where you talk about their high impact on the team.
I bet you’d get tons of new listeners just from the people who took you seriously.
Of course… it might make your clubhouse interviews … awkward.
Then again, if you did it on Diaz instead … and talked him up as the NL MVP… future HOF (you’d have to be pretty ridiculous, just cuz he’s really an impact player), he’d totally love it.
Bub, I’m never happy. Especially after watching the Jackets last night.
But this is the team, clearly, so let’s roll and see what happens.
I think it is a decent team. I don’t think it is a playoff team. But I’m open to surprises in 2010. Glaus was interviewed in Atlanta today and talked about how he felt and how excited he was to be playing for Bobby. I wouldn’t expect that he would say he is going to suck and will be stealing money, but he seemed genuine. So I’ll give him a month before I start killing him. How’s that? It’s all part of Curt 2.0.
I live in a cave, apparently…and had NO IDEA that Fenway Park goes hockey-style (and ice skating, too??) at this time of year. Holy crap that’s awesome.
Working at the “Harvard of the South” in Atlanta, when there’s a smattering of snow like this, our photographers always rush out and get lovely wintry photos so that the upper echelon can use them for their holiday cards at the end of the year. I’ve always thought that was hilarious, but honestly if I could snag me a picture of Turner Field covered in snow, that’d be MY Christmas card.
Leah – I’ve been to FLA spring training, but not to the Braves. I have a friend who is a die-hard Indians fan (poor thing) and we went down there, oh, I guess about 5 years ago now. It was really a blast. I think it was the Detroit Tigers who had a brand-new field – that was great to see. I absolutley recommend spring training at least once in a lifetime. When you get out of the car, it smells like oranges, and every field has that minor-league homer-type feel to it.
Insane list. Rowlands Office who also brought us Bon Rathbun as the new voice of the Braves. I, in fact, just re-watched Bull Durham again the other night for the 10,000 time and it is, if not the best, one of the best baseball movies ever. Bad News Bears? The Natural? Fine movies, but top-3? Insane. I think Steve and Ham will back me on this one.
First of All, cant wait for the show. But i would be very curious (i know its difficult for baseball) to see your opinions on the schedule. I am not expecting, nor am i wishing, for you to break down game by game and decide W or L. But, for instance i remember last year’s month where we really needed to take advantage of schedule was April. And well, we didnt going 10-11 and getting swept by the fish at the Ted. Thanks.
More of the front office blaming the fans. Outrageous:
Fans want to be wowed. That’s just not happening any more with the Braves. They don’t have the budget. They’re at about a $90 million payroll, and Wren said, “We feel fortunate where we are. That’s still pretty good, especially with declining attendance. We’re not a three million attendance club, which would allow us to do more.”
Braves attendance was a little under 2.4 million. 15th in the league. Top attendance teams with the 3 million figure Wren points to (see if you can sense a theme) – LA Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Cards, Angels, Cubs, Mets, Red Sox, and surprisingly the Brewers. So all the playoff teams. New stadium for the Mets. Brewers? No idea. But all the teams spending money.
He has to build a team that will bring people back to the park, not the other way around. I can’t say this enough.